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Posted: 1/18/2014 12:56:49 PM EDT
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Ok I'm pist. I have purchased 3 Vortex optics. A razor 1-4 hd, a sparc, and as of last night a viper pst1-4. The razor I love period.
However I just placed the viper in my sink to see if it is properly sealed... Well it's not.. Almost halfway full of water. This did not really surprise me because I did the same test last year with thesparc and it too leaked water. (vortex replaced promptly).Can't keep water out... Can't keep gas in. They advertise "argon purged" . Bullshit I say. I'm selling my razor and I'm done with this company. I agree they have the best warrany/customer serv. but what are the odds two separate units/models leak?? I dare anyone of you Vortex owners to submerge your scope in 3-4" of water. LESSON LEARNED : if your rifle might be exposed to water at some point get a tried and true battle tested optic.... and we all know who those are. Share your story if this has happend to you. Did I mention I'm pist off??? ** Am I The Only One That Makes Sure A New Scope Is Properly Sealed?**?? RFutch dunked his Vortex.it was ok. Who's next?? 1:RFutch 2: *edit*. It is a good possibility that I may have been a little hard on Vortex. Even though I've had a couple optics leak doesn't necessarily mean all of them are that way. I thank hughfarnham for commenting and sharing a neutral view on this subject. Fact remains, Vortex is an excellent company that has great customer serv. someone stated earlier -what other optics company can you call and say you dunked your scope and it leaked and they email you a prepaid return label.? Oh yea I calmed down I'm not selling my Razor hd |
| Yep that's the rule. You get what you pay for. (I learned that here on arfcom). If this was a leupold it wouldn't bother me as much. I would chalk it up as a fluke. I mean I love Vortex as a company and I KNOW they put out some great stuff, however I think this is more than a fluke with vortex. So c'mon go put your vortex in a sink and let me know... They will replace it with a smile if it does leak. |
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Quoted: Yea that's me lol. I mean a kitchen floor and a sink aren't exactly torturous conditions. I have a tasco 3-9 that passed my test! A TASCO!!! I would like to think vortex has a better assembly method than tasco. I'll never buy another!
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| IS a WATERPROOF optic too much to ask for $500? Damn y'all act like I did an aimpoint torture test on it. It's just a kitchen sink for fuck sake. I'm sick of these half ass companies putting out half ass product and just slapping words like waterproof and argon purged to sell them. If this would have cost me a big deer or a bad guy I would have cut it up with a bandsaw |
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Yea that's me lol. I mean a kitchen floor and a sink aren't exactly torturous conditions. I have a tasco 3-9 that passed my test! A TASCO!!! I would like to think vortex has a better assembly method than tasco. Maybe you should have stuck with the Tasco and saved your money, or ship the Vortex scope back and get another one for free to abuse. |
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Leupold scopes don't leak. Period. I've been using them for over 40 years. New ones. Old ones. High end ones. Entry level ones. Abused, knocked around and drenched. Dropped in streams, rained on. Snowed on. Never leaked. Period. Actually they do. Just because the ones you own do not have a problem does not mean they all are that way. Its not hard to search around and find reports of leupolds not tracking correctly, or having a canted reticle, or being sent in for service 2-3 times before it gets fixed. No company is immune from problems and to say they are is asinine. On a general note Philippine made optics have not been know to be the worlds most robust. They are better than china or korea but they are not known for absolute ruggedness. The US, Japan, and European made optics are generally more robust. That's not to say that if its made in the Philippines its junk because they are not. |
| Yes that is one thing about Vortex I actually had a rep dunk a spark for me then send it. They have awesome customer service. But this seems to be a reoccurrence. It's stupid not to dunk a scope! IF ITS NOT WATERPROOF IT CAN NOT HOLD GAS. (Argon and nitrogen prevent fogging and moisture build up if you didn't know). But yea they will send you a new one every time. I didn't want to do the same old eotech and magnifier shit again but it's the only one I completely trust and afford... |
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Actually they do. Just because the ones you own do not have a problem does not mean they all are that way. Its not hard to search around and find reports of leupolds not tracking correctly, or having a canted reticle, or being sent in for service 2-3 times before it gets fixed. No company is immune from problems and to say they are is asinine. On a general note Philippine made optics have not been know to be the worlds most robust. They are better than china or korea but they are not known for absolute ruggedness. The US, Japan, and European made optics are generally more robust. That's not to say that if its made in the Philippines its junk because they are not. Quoted:
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Leupold scopes don't leak. Period. I've been using them for over 40 years. New ones. Old ones. High end ones. Entry level ones. Abused, knocked around and drenched. Dropped in streams, rained on. Snowed on. Never leaked. Period. Actually they do. Just because the ones you own do not have a problem does not mean they all are that way. Its not hard to search around and find reports of leupolds not tracking correctly, or having a canted reticle, or being sent in for service 2-3 times before it gets fixed. No company is immune from problems and to say they are is asinine. On a general note Philippine made optics have not been know to be the worlds most robust. They are better than china or korea but they are not known for absolute ruggedness. The US, Japan, and European made optics are generally more robust. That's not to say that if its made in the Philippines its junk because they are not. Agree with your last paragraph. As to the first, I agree that any manufacturer can have issues. Older Leupolds, especially the Vari-X weren't the best at tracking, although even they held zero and were very rugged. But the subject was leaking, and they just don't. The seals are astounding. |
This search took me literally 5 seconds and there's more out there. 
http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1372617 |
| No doubt all manufacturers have problems. Some more than others. However, I own or have owned almost every brand of optics from tasco to Swarovski and other than a bushnell banner,Vortex sparc and pst all have passed my kitchen sink test. What are the odds 2 of my 3 vortex optics fail a submersion test??? |
| I think I may try this next week, so if it fails the test do you just call them and explain for a replacement or what? The box and receipt are long gone so I don't want to dunk it and then be stuck w/ a water-logged scope. Also, do they send a prepaid label or is shipping on the owner? |
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I think I may try this next week, so if it fails the test do you just call them and explain for a replacement or what? The box and receipt are long gone so I don't want to dunk it and then be stuck w/ a water-logged scope. Also, do they send a prepaid label or is shipping on the owner? Yes call them, tell them the scope is not waterproof bc there is water in it and they will email you a prepaid label. The last lady I spoke with I told her the sparc kept fogging so I placed it in my sink to make sure it was sealed and it filled with water. She was very helpful and emailed me a shipping label . A couple days later she called me and stated they sent my replacement and made sure it was sealed by putting it in their bathroom sink and that it should arrive soon. NOW my new pst1-4 arrives and also fails the sink test.., but this time I returned it to bass pro and snagged the eotech HHSII with the new G33. (Not bad for 1k) I really wanted another 1x4 though. Everyone knows their customer service/warranty are outstanding but 2 of my 3 vortex optics leaking is more than happenstance . |
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Alright just to humor you I dunked mine, here is the proof. I have no leakage and no fogging. <a href="https://imageshack.com/i/7gpvw5j" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/268/pvw5.jpg</a> Yeah, but that's because you didn't toss it down on your kitchen floor. |
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Ok I'm pist. I have purchased 3 Vortex optics. A razor 1-4 hd, a sparc, and as of last night a viper pst1-4. The razor I love period. However I just placed the viper in my sink to see if it is properly sealed... Well it's not.. Almost halfway full of water. This did not really surprise me because I did the same test last year with thesparc and it too leaked water. (vortex replaced promptly).Can't keep water out... Can't keep gas in. They advertise "argon purged" . Bullshit I say. I'm selling my razor and I'm done with this company. I agree they have the best warrany/customer serv. but what are the odds two separate units/models leak?? I dare anyone of you Vortex owners to submerge your scope in 3-4" of water. LESSON LEARNED : if your rifle might be exposed to water at some point get a tried and true battle tested optic.... and we all know who those are. Share your story if this has happend to you. Did I mention I'm pist off??? ** Am I The Only One That Makes Sure A New Scope Is Properly Sealed?**?? RFutch dunked his Vortex.it was ok. Who's next?? 1:RFutch 2: Pist is not a word. |
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Yeah, but that's because you didn't toss it down on your kitchen floor. Quoted:
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Alright just to humor you I dunked mine, here is the proof. I have no leakage and no fogging. <a href="https://imageshack.com/i/7gpvw5j" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/268/pvw5.jpg</a> Yeah, but that's because you didn't toss it down on your kitchen floor. Lol should I do it over? 
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This search took me literally 5 seconds and there's more out there.
http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1372617 An archery board? Yeah, there's a bunch of reliable optics experts. Loads of ignorant BS there. Oh, yes, of course. |
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Ok I'm pist. I have purchased 3 Vortex optics. A razor 1-4 hd, a sparc, and as of last night a viper pst1-4. The razor I love period. However I just placed the viper in my sink to see if it is properly sealed... Well it's not.. Almost halfway full of water. This did not really surprise me because I did the same test last year with thesparc and it too leaked water. (vortex replaced promptly).Can't keep water out... Can't keep gas in. They advertise "argon purged" . Bullshit I say. I'm selling my razor and I'm done with this company. I agree they have the best warrany/customer serv. but what are the odds two separate units/models leak?? I dare anyone of you Vortex owners to submerge your scope in 3-4" of water. LESSON LEARNED : if your rifle might be exposed to water at some point get a tried and true battle tested optic.... and we all know who those are. Share your story if this has happend to you. Did I mention I'm pist off??? ** Am I The Only One That Makes Sure A New Scope Is Properly Sealed?**?? RFutch dunked his Vortex.it was ok. Who's next?? 1:RFutch 2: Pist is not a word. Sure it is...it's the past tense of piss just like mist is the pass tense of miss...geez where'd you go to school? Walmart? 
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An archery board? Yeah, there's a bunch of reliable optics experts. Loads of ignorant BS there. Oh, yes, of course. Quoted:
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This search took me literally 5 seconds and there's more out there.
http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1372617 An archery board? Yeah, there's a bunch of reliable optics experts. Loads of ignorant BS there. Oh, yes, of course. Yeah because people that archery hunt never do anything with a rifle. 
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To the OP I'm sorry that you had this trouble. A leaking scope is absolutely unacceptable and should never happen. Please IM your contact info and I will take care of getting you a call tag and replacement ASAP. I would like to personally look at your scope to determine why it failed. Let me know if there is anything else that I can do for you. Sam |
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Quoted: Thank you Sam but I've already sent it to bass pro's returns dept, (it should arrive there Tuesday or wed) I Hate to be the dick that starts a thread like this but I'm an asshole I guess. The problem lies in the adjustable objective. Which scope was it? I thought you said it was a 1-4 PST, but those don't have an adjustable objective. Sam
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Accidentally dropped my rifle and PST 1-4x in a creek a year or two ago. No damage at all. You got a bad scope OP. I know 2 out of 3 is bad, but shit happens, you have bad luck. Doesn't mean every Vortex product is faulty.
And by the way, there's pretty much nothing that is water proof. Only water resistant to a certain depth.
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Sorry I didn't react quick enough, but I will have customer service keep an eye out for the return from Bass Pro and I will make sure that the engineering team evaluates the problem. Which scope was it? I thought you said it was a 1-4 PST, but those don't have an adjustable objective. Sam Quoted:
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Thank you Sam but I've already sent it to bass pro's returns dept, (it should arrive there Tuesday or wed) I Hate to be the dick that starts a thread like this but I'm an asshole I guess. The problem lies in the adjustable objective. Which scope was it? I thought you said it was a 1-4 PST, but those don't have an adjustable objective. Sam It is the viper pst 1-4. The eyepiece is adjustable. |
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It is the viper pst 1-4. The eyepiece is adjustable. Quoted:
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Thank you Sam but I've already sent it to bass pro's returns dept, (it should arrive there Tuesday or wed) I Hate to be the dick that starts a thread like this but I'm an asshole I guess. The problem lies in the adjustable objective. Which scope was it? I thought you said it was a 1-4 PST, but those don't have an adjustable objective. Sam It is the viper pst 1-4. The eyepiece is adjustable. 
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Bought mine based in large part on this review. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_277/187104_.html PreacherManMATT's siad: "First thing I did was full up a big tub with 12-18 gallons-enough to get it 13" deep is a tub about 2 feet long...6 hours later it was still kicking" And yes, my own SPARC has been baptized, once, for 30 minutes. Mark H. |
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