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Posted: 3/16/2010 3:42:11 PM
[Last Edit: 3/16/2010 3:55:57 PM by VortexSam]
I first noted the SPARC in my Gamechangers SHOT 2010 thread. for everything that Vortex claims about this optic it is a make or break item.
The Claims.... Waterproof Day 1 First thing I did was full up a big tub with 12-18 gallons-enough to get it 13" deep is a tub about 2 feet long...6 hours later it was still kicking
Well, that annoyed me; so I went outside and threw the optic as far up as I could three times; letting it hit the ground each time, then I remembered I needed to check the pitch of my roof, so I threw it up then and let it roll down. Still very crisp dot appeared
SPARC liked the snow so much I made it a little 2' snow fort for the night Day 2 Well I woke up the SPARC
and the little SPARC was still rolling-by the morning, the 6 hour turn off worked, so I turned it on, it fired right up. I figured it liked the cold so much it could hang with the mixed peas for the morning-that's right I froze it in the deep freeze.
After it stuck to my tongue, I decided we were done with water tests for a while. Day 3 It's time to shoot the thing, so I mounted up the SPARC on my BCM and headed to Knob Creek. It took me longer to sight it in than expected. This was my fault as I wasn't quick to realize that instead of moving the reticle to point of impact, with the SPARC you move the POI to the dot (If your hitting low, turn "up" instead of "down"). But after it was on. IT WAS ON!!. I was popping golfballs at 50yrds, and making three leaf clovers at 30yrds. At this point my mind was made up. For the AR15, an optic that is 2 MOA comes with a doubler, three mounts and a lifetime warranty for $200 is pure win for the hobbyist in me. __________________________________________________________________ But that's not the end of the claims for the SPARC , See, the SPARC is marketed and priced to make a strong entry in the median market. It's priced to be an option for just about every AR shooter. This optic is poised to be affordable enough to appeal to new shooters, yet of such quality that one could depend on it in the clutch; from survivalist to LE needs on a personal rifle. Because of this there were some more tests that needed to be done. Night Vision Thanks to a fellow member, I was able to test the NV setting. The dot was clear and precise. The pic is not excitingly cool, but it does best represent what the reticle looks like, what this pic does not represent is the full field of view that night vision provides.
Impact So I banged on it with the rubber mallet-not to kill it, but to throw it off. I banged on the mount and the optic a bit, and then emptied a mag. It was still on. Larue I also wanted to evaluate the mount options. The factory mount is GTG for the hobbyist who will leave the optic on one weapon. However, professionals talk QD, and QD means Larue. So I placed an order for the LT660 tall which ended up being about .6" too tall, not only does it not provide co-witness, I couldn't see the FSP at all. The reason for this is that the illumination element on the SPARC is on the bottom of the interior of the tube-thus it blocks field if view, here are the factory mounts next to the 660 tall, and a pic through the rear sight
After replacing it with the LT660HK, I was much happier, and had absolute cowitness at the same height as the factory mount––
Mission Adaptable The SPARC made a visit to the KY Hometown shoot where it rode several ARs, AK's (on the gas tube-IT GOT HOT), and a .50 Beowulf. I also had to rezero on the new mount while at the shoot-which took about a mag This was at 35 yards-the top right is before zero...and I had a pack of 4 that wanted the same hole
After it was zeroed it rode the aforementioned setups. I did have one AR user note that when fired, the dot dimmed. After it rode the .50, I ran a mag through it and it went off. I replaced the battery (The same one had been in the optic since test day one [well over a month] and freezing the battery plays into battery life strongly.), and never had a hiccup the rest of the day. I will do some more big bore test on it, ( I thought I could get more in at the shoot-but didn't Conclusion Bottom line is this is a great little optic. Vortex isn't looking to get a military contract with it, but rather to offer a nice budget setup you can depend on. They do that. The optic endured quite a bit, and kept going. I really like using the double-even with irons. You can pre order the SPARC from SWFA and Midway. I lost the bikini cover that came with the optic pretty quickly fortunately for me Butler Creek #4 OBJ work great on the SPARC.
Thanks to Vortex Optics for allowing this review. Larue for a sweet mount, BCM for a great rifle, and Sweepea the dog for being a constant support during the ebb and flows of this review.
Please post review questions AT THIS LINK so I can filter my answers Thanks! |
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Posted: 3/16/2010 4:09:58 PM
awesome thanks for the review
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Posted: 3/16/2010 5:42:07 PM
Another thanks! This sounds like a sweet option for a budget optic.
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Posted: 3/16/2010 5:55:59 PM
Awesome review. It cleared up alot of questions I had. I am definately going to get one.
Thanks. |
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Posted: 3/16/2010 6:53:27 PM
Nice been looking forward to the review, do you have any more pictures of the sight on the gun?
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Posted: 3/16/2010 10:28:30 PM
I'll get you some more pics this week.
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Posted: 3/16/2010 11:28:35 PM
Originally Posted By PreachermanMATT:
I'll get you some more pics this week. Great Review man! Looking forward to it's release. |
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Posted: 3/17/2010 8:32:57 AM
Originally Posted By RLTW375:
Originally Posted By PreachermanMATT:
I'll get you some more pics this week. Great Review man! Looking forward to it's release. We started shipping them on Monday. You guys should start getting them real soon. Scott |
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Posted: 3/17/2010 2:18:08 PM
Originally Posted By Scott_at_Vortex:
Originally Posted By RLTW375:
Originally Posted By PreachermanMATT:
I'll get you some more pics this week. Great Review man! Looking forward to it's release. We started shipping them on Monday. You guys should start getting them real soon. Scott Nice! Before the PST 1-4's?? I thought those were first?? |
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Posted: 3/18/2010 4:29:40 PM
Just a heads up. I ordered a SPARC from Binoculars.com. They have a 10% off sale and if you use Bing shopping it has 10% cash back too. Only 2 left in stock.
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Posted: 3/18/2010 11:38:03 PM
Mine Shipped from SWFA they're on their way!
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Posted: 3/19/2010 8:10:20 AM
Just ordered mine from swfa as well, i hope it ships and i don't get stuck waiting on them to get more in from vortex
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Posted: 3/19/2010 2:34:22 PM
Awesome review. It sounds like the SPARC is going to be a good, solid optic. Can't wait until mine gets here.
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Posted: 3/19/2010 3:07:57 PM
Originally Posted By jharp:
Nice been looking forward to the review, do you have any more pictures of the sight on the gun? I didn't know if you wanted focus on optic or just "yeah that looks cool" pics so here's both...
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Posted: 3/19/2010 6:29:20 PM
Preacher-
You said the LaRue tall was too tall, but the HK version was the same height as the Vortex mount, which gives you absolute co-witness. Would it stand to reason one could use the Vortex shim with the LaRue HK mount to achieve lower 1/3? I'll find out for myself on Tuesday, but I thought I'd ask anyways. |
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Posted: 3/20/2010 7:53:22 AM
Originally Posted By tcs007:
Preacher- You said the LaRue tall was too tall, but the HK version was the same height as the Vortex mount, which gives you absolute co-witness. Would it stand to reason one could use the Vortex shim with the LaRue HK mount to achieve lower 1/3? I'll find out for myself on Tuesday, but I thought I'd ask anyways. tag for an answer to this question |
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Posted: 3/20/2010 10:37:45 AM
[Last Edit: 3/20/2010 11:33:41 AM by PreachermanMATT]
Originally Posted By tcs007:
Preacher- You said the LaRue tall was too tall, but the HK version was the same height as the Vortex mount, which gives you absolute co-witness. Would it stand to reason one could use the Vortex shim with the LaRue HK mount to achieve lower 1/3? I'll find out for myself on Tuesday, but I thought I'd ask anyways. Yes, that should work fine; the shim is/adds about .43 " which considering the LT660 was ineffective due to the placement of the illumination element; I would guestimate that the the element is 2/16 or 3/16 (I'm not busting the optic to find out ) so subtracting the element size .(12-.18) from the .6 too high LT660 puts you needing around .42 for "Larue lower 1/3"
I know you probably hoped for pics of me disassembling my mount and losing zero...sorry the math was easier DARN YOU!!! I HAD THIS WHOLE REPLY TYPED UP THEN CURIOSITY GOT THE BEST OF ME!!!
It works fine––but neither the screws (LT or Vortex) were long enough to thread down; keep in mind my unit is an early edition, i'm sure Vortex will include the correct length to use the shim with the market release. good question- ..................off to rezero ETA: It should be noted that the Vortex screws work better than the LT Screws with the LT mount |
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Posted: 3/20/2010 12:02:47 PM
Originally Posted By PreachermanMATT:
Originally Posted By tcs007:
Preacher- You said the LaRue tall was too tall, but the HK version was the same height as the Vortex mount, which gives you absolute co-witness. Would it stand to reason one could use the Vortex shim with the LaRue HK mount to achieve lower 1/3? I'll find out for myself on Tuesday, but I thought I'd ask anyways. Yes, that should work fine; the shim is/adds about .43 " which considering the LT660 was ineffective due to the placement of the illumination element; I would guestimate that the the element is 2/16 or 3/16 (I'm not busting the optic to find out ) so subtracting the element size .(12-.18) from the .6 too high LT660 puts you needing around .42 for "Larue lower 1/3"
I know you probably hoped for pics of me disassembling my mount and losing zero...sorry the math was easier DARN YOU!!! I HAD THIS WHOLE REPLY TYPED UP THEN CURIOSITY GOT THE BEST OF ME!!!
It works fine––but neither the screws (LT or Vortex) were long enough to thread down; keep in mind my unit is an early edition, i'm sure Vortex will include the correct length to use the shim with the market release. good question- ..................off to rezero ETA: It should be noted that the Vortex screws work better than the LT Screws with the LT mount Hahaha. Thanks for being all OCD for me. I kinda figured it would work. Which is good for me because I have fixed irons, and the lower 1/3 is what I like best in that instance. |
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Posted: 3/20/2010 12:07:33 PM
[Last Edit: 3/20/2010 12:07:49 PM by VortexSam]
Matt,
You only got one length of screws? I know the production units have longer screws for use with the lower 1/3 shim. If you don't have them let me know and I'll send some to you. -Sam |
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Posted: 3/20/2010 1:35:27 PM
Originally Posted By VortexSam:
Matt, You only got one length of screws? I know the production units have longer screws for use with the lower 1/3 shim. If you don't have them let me know and I'll send some to you. -Sam yes- only one length...thanks |
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Posted: 3/22/2010 2:10:18 PM
thanks for the review... ordered mine from SWFA today
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Posted: 3/23/2010 5:05:00 PM
[Last Edit: 4/17/2010 11:51:28 PM by tcs007]
Originally Posted By tcs007:
Originally Posted By PreachermanMATT:
Originally Posted By tcs007:
Preacher- You said the LaRue tall was too tall, but the HK version was the same height as the Vortex mount, which gives you absolute co-witness. Would it stand to reason one could use the Vortex shim with the LaRue HK mount to achieve lower 1/3? I'll find out for myself on Tuesday, but I thought I'd ask anyways. Yes, that should work fine; the shim is/adds about .43 " which considering the LT660 was ineffective due to the placement of the illumination element; I would guestimate that the the element is 2/16 or 3/16 (I'm not busting the optic to find out ) so subtracting the element size .(12-.18) from the .6 too high LT660 puts you needing around .42 for "Larue lower 1/3"
I know you probably hoped for pics of me disassembling my mount and losing zero...sorry the math was easier DARN YOU!!! I HAD THIS WHOLE REPLY TYPED UP THEN CURIOSITY GOT THE BEST OF ME!!!
It works fine––but neither the screws (LT or Vortex) were long enough to thread down; keep in mind my unit is an early edition, i'm sure Vortex will include the correct length to use the shim with the market release. good question- ..................off to rezero ETA: It should be noted that the Vortex screws work better than the LT Screws with the LT mount Hahaha. Thanks for being all OCD for me. I kinda figured it would work. Which is good for me because I have fixed irons, and the lower 1/3 is what I like best in that instance. Well, I got my correct LaRue mount, and with the shim that Vortex includes, I get actually slightly lower than lower 1/3 co-witness. Which is perfect for me and my fixed irons. With the large aperture on my irons, I can see the diode housing, but it does not interefere with using the irons at all. With the small aperture, I can't see the housing for the diode at all.
Sandwiched between the LaRue mount and the SPARC is the Vortex shim, which worked perfectly. I had to use the longer screws that came with the SPARC. |
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Posted: 3/23/2010 9:40:23 PM
Thx tcs!!
My sparc is gonna be on an AK for awhile, but is meant for the AR I'm slowly building. Nice to get another report of lower 3rd functionality (with pic even). Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 3/24/2010 12:57:28 PM
Got my sparc yesterday and I am very impresed.
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Posted: 3/24/2010 5:05:21 PM
Anyone possibly able to test a SPARC on a VLTOR CASV?
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Posted: 3/24/2010 5:09:53 PM
Originally Posted By zazou:
Anyone possibly able to test a SPARC on a VLTOR CASV? What do you want to know? We have a casv. Scott |
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