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10/7/2012 6:24:34 AM EDT
I'm looking for a micro style red dot for a light weight AR project.  Really just for casual shooting but I don't want crappy optics.   I've got full size Eotechs and Aimpoints on other rifles, but want to try something smaller.  Not sure I'm ready to invest in a T-1.

Any recommendations between the PA Micro Dot or Vortex SPARC?  Appreciate hearing about your experience.
10/7/2012 6:33:48 AM EDT
[#1]
I have the Sparc on my Colt and really think instead of upgrading to a Aimpoint Pro I'll leave it there for awhile and use the extra cash for another AR build. I'm waiting for PSA to do a sale on the Sparc again (got mine $50.00 off ) so I can mount one on another AR I just built last month
10/7/2012 7:23:02 AM EDT
[#2]
We are out of the Micros and experiencing long delays with our factory, so that might make the decision easier. We have SPARCs in stock.

https://www.primaryarms.com/Vortex_Optics_s/587.htm
10/7/2012 9:04:02 AM EDT
[#3]
Lifetime warrantee on the sparc.  The Primary Arms mirco has been out of stock for months with no clue as to when they will be available again.
10/7/2012 3:13:45 PM EDT
[#4]
Thanks.  Anyone a SPARC user with a report of pros or cons?
10/7/2012 3:22:55 PM EDT
[#5]
There is a thread at the top of the Vortex industry section about the SPARC.  I have been looking at them too but can't decide if I want to keep saving and get an H-1.
10/7/2012 3:24:15 PM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
We are out of the Micros and experiencing long delays with our factory, so that might make the decision easier. We have SPARCs in stock.

https://www.primaryarms.com/Vortex_Optics_s/587.htm


This.  Marshall and his gang are the best around.
10/7/2012 3:45:37 PM EDT
[#7]
try the bushnell trs- 25
10/7/2012 6:21:33 PM EDT
[#8]
I have both and personally, the weird battery the SPARC uses, the emitter at 6:00 and the push button controls make me say PA's Micro Dot. I know that PA has had some supply problems lately, but it really is a great sight for what it is.

But I also have to say that the above is personal preference and their is really nothing wrong with the SPARC. I just like the PA better for my uses.
10/7/2012 9:15:28 PM EDT
[#9]
I would go with the Bushnell Microdot (TRS-25) personally.  They have a longer battery life than the PA and they can be submerged in water so many feet where as the PA is only water resistant to rain, splashes, etc.

I also think the elevation and windage threading and the caps seem a little better made. I had an early primary arms microdot and one of the caps stripped out the 1st time I barely tightened it on after changing the battery.

Cabela's has them on sale for $79: http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shooting/Tactical-Gear/Red-Dots-Lasers|/pc/104792580/c/104778180/sc/104526180/Bushnell174-Trophy-TRS-25-Red-Dot-Sight/748791.uts?destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fbrowse%2Fshooting-tactical-gear-red-dots-lasers%2F_%2FN-1105122%2FNs-CATEGORY_SEQ_104526180%3FWTz_l%3DSBC%253BMMcat104792580%253Bcat104778180&WTz_l=SBC%3BMMcat104792580%3Bcat104778180%3Bcat104526180
10/8/2012 3:42:40 AM EDT
[#10]
Micro Dot––I have several. Never a problem––Not in existance right now.
Bushnell––good choice
Sparc––weird battery choice, issues with the push button reported
Dave N
10/8/2012 6:04:40 AM EDT
[#11]



Quoted:




I would go with the Bushnell Microdot (TRS-25) personally.


As would I.  Tough to beat in terms of bang for the buck when it comes to budget MRDs.  I like my SPARC, but it's tough to justify the price difference when my two TRS-25s are such good performers.



 
10/8/2012 8:56:31 AM EDT
[#12]
Looks like the Bushnell has a fixed base––that is, you can't put it into something like a Larue 660 or anything else that requires removing the old base and using the mounting screws.
10/8/2012 10:39:15 AM EDT
[#13]
I had a PA and it took a very slight and I mean slight bump getting it out of the car, it lost it's zero and it went tits up. PA was really good about taking it back but I can't trust it on a duty rifle. I know it's not an Aimpoint and neither is the SPARC but I just ordered two of them from my LGS and I am hoping they are more durable than the PA,
10/8/2012 10:43:29 AM EDT
[#14]
This might be helpful!!!


Vortex Sparc review!
10/8/2012 11:13:04 AM EDT
[#15]
I just read the thread, I know Vortex is GTG. I have a 6-24 PST on my AR-10T and I love the damn thing. My sights should be in tomorrow!
10/8/2012 5:36:51 PM EDT
[#16]
Quoted:
Looks like the Bushnell has a fixed base––that is, you can't put it into something like a Larue 660 or anything else that requires removing the old base and using the mounting screws.


No, but you can put it onto a 1" riser for lower 1/3 cowitness.

10/9/2012 6:29:10 AM EDT
[#17]
If this is a plinker I would go with the Sparc. I got mine when PSA had $50 off. If its a duty rifle save and buy an Aimpoint, dont put your life or someone elses on a cheap red dot, no offense to anyone.
10/9/2012 8:08:40 AM EDT
[#18]
Here's a good SPARC review right here on arfcom:



http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_277/187104_.html



I bought my SPARC based on that review.  I have an EOTech 512 and an EXPS2-2, but I needed something NV compatible.



Mark H.


 
10/9/2012 10:22:17 AM EDT
[#19]
I have a Vortex Sparc and have been using it for over a year.

The optics are good.  The push button system is okay.  The battery choice is horrible.

Once the battery starts to go dead, the unit won't shut off; which obviously accelerates the death of the battery.  And it is pretty darn hard impossible to find this battery anywhere other than online.  

If I had it all to do over again... I'd probably go with the Primary Arms over the Vortex.
10/9/2012 3:11:26 PM EDT
[#20]
Well the batteries aren't that tough to find...wally-world has them, and anyplace that carries more than AA and AAA batteries has them (around here at least??).

  One thing I will mention: if you're going to be doing much longer range (100+ yard) shooting and/or have piss-poor eyesight, the SPARC having a screw-in 2X magnifier is a plus.    I've got two Strikefires and plan on picking up a SPARC for that reason.    I rarely shoot under 50 yards, often out to 250, but like the compactness and weight of a red-dot.  the screw in magnifiers are a heckuvalot smaller than a seperate magnifier.
10/9/2012 4:06:19 PM EDT
[#21]
does the sparc fit aimpoint t1 mounts?
10/10/2012 3:05:11 AM EDT
[#22]
Quoted:
does the sparc fit aimpoint t1 mounts?


Yes...
10/10/2012 3:34:08 AM EDT
[#23]
Quoted:
does the sparc fit aimpoint t1 mounts?


Yes, they do.
10/10/2012 3:36:31 AM EDT
[#24]
I have two SPARC's and both work just fine.  I have been quite pleased with them.  The battery thing was my only reservation in buying them but I found plenty of spares at Batteries Plus in my town.  I never checked Wallmart to see if they had them but I have been told they carry them too.
10/10/2012 4:13:36 AM EDT
[#25]
I have a TRS-25 that I've had for a couple of years.  Used it mounted on an AK first that is my trunk gun so it wasn't at all babied.  Held up great.
Just recently moved it to my AR (Core-15) with a .83" riser block and I get a perfect co-witness.
Charlie
10/10/2012 5:17:56 AM EDT
[#26]
How about trying the Truglo micro?


http://www.midwayusa.com/product/512744/truglo-triton-red-dot-sight-5-moa-red-green-and-blue-dot-with-integral-high-and-low-weaver-style-mount-matte

I have one on my S&W M&P15.

So far it seems to work OK. I will probably mount a magnifier behind it later.
10/10/2012 9:43:41 AM EDT
[#27]
Marshal is awesome and great to deal with however, in this instance, you go with the sparc.  The sparc has a lifetime warranty and has been used and tested to extremes by many people here and there.  The warranty alone makes this an easy choice.
10/10/2012 5:07:32 PM EDT
[#28]
Quoted:
Well the batteries aren't that tough to find...wally-world has them, and anyplace that carries more than AA and AAA batteries has them (around here at least??).


That is not the case around here (Southern California).

I've searched darn near everyplace I could think of.  Walmart, Target, Best Buy, Fryes Electronics, Microcenter, Sears, Turners Outdoorsman (which is where I bought it from), even Savon & RiteAid.  Nothing... Zip... Zilch... Nada.  



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