AR Sponsor
Posted: 7/28/2009 4:57:59 PM EDT
|
Hi there! Noobie on Assault Rifles here so bear with me on this.
I have been doing research on here and a few other places as what I want to do but just can't seem to fit it all together. I was looking at one of the .22lr Assault Rifles coming out: Colt series M4 or M16, Sig-522, or the Smith & Wesson M&P15-22 but someone told me that it would be worth it. He said there are problems with magazines and a few other issues with the take down pin? He suggested that I make a dedicated .22lr Assault Rifle Mil pec, and then when I want or if I want: make it into a .223 later down the road. I have no clue where to buy these parts but I have done enough research as to what I want but I want to pay around $600 or so. If it's a bit more than I will buy it by the pieces over a period of time and when I get everything, well, I get everything. Features I want: M16 style, basically want it to look like the Colt M16 Rifle that they offer in .22lr. Colt M16 Rifle I don't need rails because I want to use iron peep sights with two adjustable sights. Adjustable to wind and elevation. Carry handle/rear sight. Adjustable front sight. 16" barrel with flash suppressor. Dedicated .22lr Upper so it can be more accurate instead of a conversion kit that drops into a .223 chamber AR. I would like to have the front grip just like the m16 shown above because I really want this to be a fun shooter with iron sights, etc. Adjustable butt stock or one just like shown with the colt. Do you think this can be done for around $600? Or do you guys think I should just buy a .223 off the shelf and kit a dedicated upper in .22lr later? I don't have the money for an AR right now but I plan on piecing it together over the next couple of months. Does anyone know if there is a dedicated .22lr upper that will fit on a Ruger SR-556 Lower? I would also like some links as to how to build an AR/M16 style build and where to buy some M16 parts. Thank you very much! Take care -Matt Edit: I have a Ruger 10/22 with Bull barrel, Ruger Charger, and a Ruger Mark III Hunter with 6 7/8" barrel. |
|
First off welcome, Second, you are all over the place gather your thoughts it goes along way in getting the right answers (trust me I have written some confusing posts). Third, don't slam the accuracy of the "kits" They shoot pretty well looks to me like you already have some nice potencially high grade target rifles/pistol. (I too own a Charger and MarkIII 22.45) Now I did get a dedicated setup but for a lot of different reasons. Wanted this set up to be tacticool plinker(already own a A2 set up and have access to my old mans M4 set up) and the Spikes had alot going for it. Also with you looking for a "standard AR" set up a nice older A1 with a 1/12 twist rate will bring you some better accuracy and allow you to switch back and forth. Look in the "retro" section for some options with a 1/12 set up, just ask what they recomend ignore the 22 conversion in that desion making process(you want the best rifle first). Then after you decide go out and buy a Spike's conversion as it will preform perfectly. I just got my spikes kit to cycle subsonic's without a hitch today. Good luck a nice SP-1 will be sweet. Edit to add: stay away from the U-Colt, maybe fun but not quality. |
|
Welcome to the Forum. From the sound of your thoughts, I think you are looking for a VietNam Style A1 Rifle. 20", 1:12" twist lightweight barrel and fixed stocks. Should be able to find something in pretty good shape reasonably now that the Buying Scare is ending. I have several of these rifles in various forms and shoot conversions in them. Read over the post I'm Linking and see if it helps you decide what you really want to do. Maybe even make an entry there if it does.
Link: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=15&t=441890 Good Luck, SO-13 |
|
SpecOps is a sage!
http://www.model1sales.com/item-detail.cfm?ID=KSE22LR&storeid=1ℑ=s2022prek.gif&CFID=49696642&CFTOKEN=42941581 That's the complete kit(less stripped lower @$580). http://www.model1sales.com/item-detail.cfm?ID=22LRUH20SH&storeid=1&image=ustd2022.gif&CFID=49696642&CFTOKEN=42941581 That's the upper only @$510, the pictured one is not the standard $510 one; It illustrates that the kit is the better deal; for $70 more you get the buttstock, buffer tube, and LPK (lower parts kit- everything needed except the stripped lower). You can get a serviceable detachable carry handle at least $30 cheaper than the $70 extra M1S wants,; In the long run I think you'll be happier with a flat top. Optics mounted on TOP of a carry handle are clumsy This is a great forum . These guys know everything. Beware! the operative principle on this forum is : when faced with a choice between two, BUY BOTH! I'll leave you alone now unless asked further. |
|
I'm waiting to see more reviews on the M&P myself. if those are poor then I'll save some more dough for the spikes or model 1 dedicated upper and probably eventually get a lower for it as well as I'd like an entire rifle and not just an upper half.
I wouldn't get the colt myself as I really don't care for the way that it is put together and don't like that the controls don't function the same as a true AR. Oh, and it is not an assault rifle!!! The term is semi-automatic rifle. "assault rifle" is a term created by those who want to ban them as a first step in banning all guns. First you make people scared of the big, evil black rifles, then those nasty "sniper" rifles, then who really needs a handgun anyway? While we are at it, let's get rid of shotguns too. Don't play along with them, correct people who use the term "assault rifle" as education is our friend. |
|
Thanks for all of the wonderful replies guys!!!
I am just looking for an iron sight .22lr plinker because all of the .22's I have now all have scopes on them so optics just isn't really considered right now. Later down the road......maybe...... I have a huge gun show coming up August 8th here in Michigan so I am hoping I actually get to see/feel/fondle some .22lr AR's. So you guys think that an older service rifle with a .22lr conversion with a 1/12 twist will be accurate enough to shoot 1" groupings at 25 to 50 yards with peeps sights??? I really need accuracy on this as I plan on the tacticool/small game hunter. Just really want a REAL M16 styled .22lr. Thanks for all of the help so far, I will continue to do some research. The only downfall to this whole ordeal is that there is only one local gun shop and it only has a couple of Assault Rifles. They have an M&P, and one of the Colt .22lr M4's. Take care -Matt |
|
You will probably be pushing it trying to get a conversion to shoot 1" at 50 with peeps. Spec has shown that the accuracy of a 1/12 is about 1.5" at 25 the dedicated is around a 1" (this is scoped and just a rough generalization) They can get the job done but me for hunting I prefer my 10/22 with glass or a nice 17m2 scoped as well. My .22 ars are range and plinking guns. I would take my spikes .22 out for some early squirrel hunting it would do the job but I probably would hold body on instead of head shoot it with my 17m2. YMMV depending on how accurate you are with irons but a squirrel head is not that big and having a 3/4" variance ether way could put you off the head with a spot on ear hold. My 17m2 will put it in the earhole easily out to 50. So it all depends how surgical you like your hunting weapons and the shots you take. My two .22 ar's below. The one on the left is made with a real surplus M16 .223 upper with ciener .22 kit. The right is a dedicated spikes barrel and conversion kit. Be somewhat careful throwing around the term M16 all the guns below are semi auto and saying you want an M16 could mean a fully auto weapon. The upper (barrel and reciever) can be from an M16, but the lowers are all ar15 semi auto. Usually people talk about the version of m16 like m4, a1, a3, etc. Pretty much any ar you are going to build is going to look like an m16 in some form or another.  |
|
Quoted:
You will probably be pushing it trying to get a conversion to shoot 1" at 50 with peeps. Spec has shown that the accuracy of a 1/12 is about 1.5" at 25 the dedicated is around a 1" They can get the job done but me for hunting I prefer my 10/22 with glass or a nice 17m2 scoped as well. My .22 ars are range and plinking guns. I would take my spikes .22 out for some early squirrel hunting it would do the job but I probably would hold body on instead of head shoot it with my 17m2. YMMV depending on how accurate you are with irons but a squirrel head is not that big and having a 3/4" variance ether way could put you off the head with a spot on ear hold. My 17m2 will put it in the earhole easily out to 50. My two .22 ar's below. The one on the left is made with a real surplus M16 .223 upper with ciener .22 kit. The right is a dedicated spikes barrel and conversion kit. Be somewhat careful throwing around the term M16 all the guns below are semi auto and saying you want an M16 could mean a fully auto weapon. The upper (barrel and reciever) can be from an M16, but the lowers are all ar15 semi auto. Usually people talk about the version of m16 like m4, a1, a3, etc. Pretty much any ar you are going to build is going to look like an m16 in some form or another. http://www.disciplesofdelmar.com/img/ar/22/DSC_0387.JPG ETA since you seem to not own an AR yet. It might be in your best interests to forget all about this website and not think about owning one. Your wallet will thank me. 
I love the one on the left! That's the style I am looking for but preferably dedicated upper. Can someone provide me links for Spike's website? I really have no clue where to buy this gear at and just need some guidance. Does anyone know where I can find a lower for cheap? Basically need everything handed to me because there aren't any local shops worth mentioning. Closest is about 40 minutes away. Think it is possible to put one together for around $600? Thank you very much! Take care -Matt |
|
I don't know of anyone that makes a 20" maybe compass lake or one of the $pecialty 22 manufacturers. The one on the left is a 1/12 .223 barrel. It really is a good ar to start with because you can shoot .223/5.56 or 22 just by changing the bolt. spikestactical.com $600 prob not the one on the left lower ~$100 lpk~$65 stock ~$50 upper ~$300 bolt ~150-$200 mags maybe $700 the nice thing is that you can build them bit by bit and buy something as you have the money. Spikes is running a deal on lowers now they have them for $100 you would have to have it shipped to an FFL close to you. So add shipping and $20 for transfer. Everything else just pick a vendor above I like pkfirearms, spikes, brownells and off the ee here. |
|
http://www.spikestactical.com/z/index.php
Sorry, can't butt out! Above is Spike's, The link in my post above shows M1S 20" A-2, like you want for $580, except the 'Nam era triangle handguard is $25 extra. All 3 of my dedicated uppers, 20" Kuehl , 16" Spikes Lothar Walther(barrel), and M1S 16" CARHB shoot good ammo into 5/8-3/4" @50yd. Bulk ammo is more like an inch, plus flyers. The Compass Lake products are scary accurate, true match quality. If this is the route you're taking, you can very likely find a stripped lower at your big gun show around $120, the M1S kit includes everything else. Theshuh's M-4 above is on a Cavalry Arms Lower, a $150 very lightweight composite one piece unit available in tactical colors and sometimes in circus colors( pink, safety yellow, red, lime, powder blue, glow in the dark) |
|
In 5 shot groups, the A1 using a Spikes Conversion and Bulk Federal shot groups of appx 1/2 to a worst of 1 1/4" at 25 yards. That was with a very cheap 4x scope. Absolutely Love that rifle. With as good an upper, premium ammo with a heavier bullet. a bi pod, a much better variable scope set to 6x and a calculated fire rate it may be possible to shoot 1" at 50 yards. Right now, I'm beginning experiments with a chamber adapter to see if I can squeeze any more accuracy out of it.
Thanx for the compliments on my efforts too, it makes me feel really good to have them appreciated. SpecOps-13 |
|
Quoted:
I just gotta ask,,,what's an assualt rifle exactly???  An assault rifle is a rifle designed for combat, with selective fire (capable of shooting in both fully automatic and semi automatic modes). Assault rifles typically chambered for intermediate cartridges and are the standard infantry weapons in most modern armies, having largely superseded or supplemented larger and more powerful battle rifles such as the M14, FN FAL and the Heckler & Koch G3. Examples of assault rifles include the M16 rifle, AK-47, M4 carbine and the Steyr AUG. In a strict definition, a firearm must have at least the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle: 1) It must be an individual weapon with provision to fire from the shoulder (i.e. a buttstock); 2) It must be capable of selective fire; 3) It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle; 4) Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable box magazine. |
|
Since you already have a SR556 (so you have a standard AR-15 lower) go for a Spike's .22lr upper, and buy a lower in the future when you have more cash: http://www.spikestactical.com/z/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=106&products_id=268
This way you have a quality upper, great customer service, plentiful magazines (from two manufacturers: BDM/CMMG) and a quality product. If you go with the Colt/Umarex abortion, or the S&W, you'll probably regret it in the future. |
|
Quoted:
Quoted:
I just gotta ask,,,what's an assualt rifle exactly??? An assault rifle is a rifle designed for combat, with selective fire (capable of shooting in both fully automatic and semi automatic modes). Assault rifles typically chambered for intermediate cartridges and are the standard infantry weapons in most modern armies, having largely superseded or supplemented larger and more powerful battle rifles such as the M14, FN FAL and the Heckler & Koch G3. Examples of assault rifles include the M16 rifle, AK-47, M4 carbine and the Steyr AUG. In a strict definition, a firearm must have at least the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle: 1) It must be an individual weapon with provision to fire from the shoulder (i.e. a buttstock); 2) It must be capable of selective fire; 3) It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle; 4) Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable box magazine. Now, that's what I thought! AR's and thier clones are not assault rifles. At least that has always been my take on things. Thanks for the PROPER definition. 
|
|
Okay so basically I need to go to this gun and knife show coming up to look for a "stripped" lower correct?
That is the only piece of the gun that needs to be registered correct? And from there I can go about buying a Spike's tactical dedicated .22lr upper? And the gun is complete except for the butt stock? Thanks for all of the help!! Take care -Matt |
|
NO, no, the upper is only the upper half if sold as such.
A complete kit is everything EXCEPT THE STRIPPED LOWER. If you buy an upper and a stripped lower you still need a buffer tube and buttstock ($100-300- your A-2 is about $100 IIRC) AND a lower parts kit (LPK), another $50-75 or more if you do a fancy trigger. LPK includes all the pins, springs, pistol grip, etc necessary to turn a STRIPPED LOWER into a COMPLETE LOWER. That's why I feel the M1S package is such a good deal, buttstock+LPK for only $70 more than an upper. UPPER +COMPLETE LOWER=COMPLETE GUN. Spike's doesn't do a 20" like you want; they recommend Ballistic Advantage for those, although BA uses Spike's bolts. |
|
Can you get an M1S upper in a timely manner? I haven't seen anyone on here with much from m1s post obama. I figured they were unobtainium. A spikes upper is going to put you a bit over budget. Their upper itself is $550. so that would put you $100 for lower $65 Lower parts kit $550 for upper stock ~$50 sights ~100+ Close to $900 The m1s is a deal if you can get it. I think the only other way to go cheap would be a used 1/12 upper. |
|
Quoted:
NO, no, the upper is only the upper half if sold as such. A complete kit is everything EXCEPT THE STRIPPED LOWER. If you buy an upper and a stripped lower you still need a buffer tube and buttstock ($100-300- your A-2 is about $100 IIRC) AND a lower parts kit (LPK), another $50-75 or more if you do a fancy trigger. LPK includes all the pins, springs, pistol grip, etc necessary to turn a STRIPPED LOWER into a COMPLETE LOWER. That's why I feel the M1S package is such a good deal, buttstock+LPK for only $70 more than an upper. UPPER +COMPLETE LOWER=COMPLETE GUN. Spike's doesn't do a 20" like you want; they recommend Ballistic Advantage for those, although BA uses Spike's bolts. I said I wanted a 16" barrel I believe, not 20". Sounds good so far, what I then is a complete lower if I can find one at the show. If not I can get a parts kit. Sounds good! |
|
Quoted:
Can you get an M1S upper in a timely manner? I haven't seen anyone on here with much from m1s post obama. I figured they were unobtainium. A spikes upper is going to put you a bit over budget. Their upper itself is $550. so that would put you $100 for lower $65 Lower parts kit $550 for upper stock ~$50 sights ~100+ Close to $900 The m1s is a deal if you can get it. I think the only other way to go cheap would be a used 1/12 upper. Can someone provide me a link to this M1S you are talking about? Not sure what it is. Thanks! |
|
Quoted:
model1sales.com Thank you very much! Actually stumbled onto that website from googling it. I really have no clue what I am doing on that sight. I wish to get a 16" barrel, with removable handle/rear peep sights. I don't know which rear sight to select, and I don't know what front sight to select for the removable handle. Can anyone help me out here? I was looking at the light weight CAR 16" kit. So the only thing I would need after purchasing that kit is a complete lower? What would I be asking for at the gun show on a lower. Does it have to be a specific lower? Thanks as always. Take care -Matt |
|
This http://tinyurl.com/m6rvq5 or http://tinyurl.com/n4sus4 These are both the dedicated .22 uppers. I would suggest if this is your first AR to look hard at a 1/12 surplus upper and spikes kit. You can then just swap bolts and shoot .223 and .22. The spikes kit in his 1/12 for spec ops shot as good as his base spikes dedicated. if you are set on M1Sales A3 with carry handle and std aperture is what you want, the rest is up to you and how much you want to pay. The base selection is pretty basic like a 4 pos stock you have to pay more for a 6 pos. A little nicer but is it worth the extra bucks to you. if you get a complete kit like I posted above you will just need a stripped lower  If you get a complete upper say from spikes like the one below  you need a stripped lower + parts kit + buttstock or a complete lower and maybe sights depending on the config. this is a a complete lower below it has the internals and a stock  If you post in build it yourself or check out that forum it will give you a lot of tips on putting together a ar. |
|
Quoted:
This http://tinyurl.com/m6rvq5 or http://tinyurl.com/n4sus4 These are both the dedicated .22 uppers. I would suggest if this is your first AR to look hard at a 1/12 surplus upper and spikes kit. You can then just swap bolts and shoot .223 and .22. The spikes kit in his 1/12 for spec ops shot as good as his base spikes dedicated. if you are set on M1Sales A3 with carry handle and std aperture is what you want, the rest is up to you and how much you want to pay. The base selection is pretty basic like a 4 pos stock you have to pay more for a 6 pos. A little nicer but is it worth the extra bucks. if you get a complete kit you just need a stripped lower http://www.spikestactical.com/z/images/large/Lower_LRG.jpg If you get a complete upper you need a stripped lower + parts kit + buttstock or a complete lower. http://www.spikestactical.com/z/images/large/Complete%20Lower%20M4%20Stock_LRG.jpg If you post in build it yourself or check out that forum it will give you a lot of tips on putting together a ar. Thank you very much! So if I get one of these kits then all I need is a stripped lower then? Or would I need to get a lower parts kit for the stripped lower? How do I know which lower will work with the kits you provided me links to? Also, I might be able to find an older .223 with 1/12 twist but how do I tell that it's the right twist in the barrel? This is looking to be a fun project!! Take care -Matt |
|
Any ar15 stripped lower will work. If it is a kit that means all you have to buy is the stripped lower. Everything else is supplied in the kit. If what you are buying is not a kit but labeled an upper it may or may not include sights or a bolt. It also won't come with a stock or anything else. The older m16a1 uppers were all 1/12 if you go in the ee and search here the sellers will usually say if it is 1/12 or not. This ad says 1/12 http://ee.ar15.com/ItemView.aspx?iid=20820 The older a1 style 20" with the triangle handguards like the one I have in the picture I posted were 1/12 twist. The ad i linked below doesn't say its a 1/12 but it 99% is. you would just have to confirm with the seller that it is the original 1/12 barrel. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=119&t=704335 m16a1 upper - 1/12 twist  m16a2 - faster twist upper  Notice the difference in the sights and the thicker barrel profile and the handguards. These are all a2 "upgrades". |
|
Quoted:
Any ar15 stripped lower will work. If it is a kit that means all you have to buy is the stripped lower. Everything else is supplied in the kit. The older m16a1 uppers were 1/12 if you go in the ee and search here the sellers will usually say if it is 1/12 or not. This ad says 1/12 http://ee.ar15.com/ItemView.aspx?iid=20820 The older a1 style 20" like the one I have in the picture I posted were 1/12. The ad below doesn't say its a 1/12 but it 99% is. you would just have to confirm with the seller. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=119&t=704335 m16a1 upper - 1/12 twist http://world.guns.ru/assault/m16a1.jpg m16a2 - faster twist upper http://world.guns.ru/assault/m16a2.jpg Notice the difference in the sights and the thicker barrel profile and the handguards. These are all a2 "upgrades". That's awesome! I will look for one of those at the show then. Seems like it could be a cheaper way to go. I will take a look and also at the conversion from Spike's and see what is the cheaper route. From the sounds/looks of it they shoot just about the same. On those kits from M1S, what are the normal sights like?(The sights that come with no extra charge). Thanks. This is some confusing stuff!! It looks like I may just got with a kit, and look for a stripped lower at the show. We shall see. Just need everything to fall into place. |
|
The sights form m1s are just standard a2 sights. and you can select what front sight you want. If you want a post that is the default option. Look hard through the ee to see what things are selling for before you spend too much at a show. The 1/12 with spikes kit shoots real close to the dedicated. The thing is how real accurate do you want it. I mean 1" ~1.5" at 25 is plenty accurate for most plinking or training. For me a 1/12 with kit or my spikes dedicated is fine for anything I want to do with the rifle. If I wanted to shoot tiny groups I am not looking at the .22 ar15 platform anyway because it would be cheaper to look at a bolt CZ or maybe a lightly modded 10/22. There are ways to get a super accurate AR .22 but of course it costs a bit more. The Lothar barrel, compass lake, It is up to you if you want to spend the cash or just buy this for $250  |
|
Quoted:
The sights form m1s are just standard a2 sights. and you can select what front sight you want. If you want a post that is the default option. Look hard through the ee to see what things are selling for before you spend too much at a show. The 1/12 with spikes kit shoots real close to the dedicated. The thing is how real accurate do you want it. I mean 1" ~1.5" at 25 is plenty accurate for most plinking or training. For me a 1/12 with kit or my spikes dedicated is fine for anything I want to do with the rifle. If I wanted to shoot tiny groups I am not looking at the .22 ar15 platform anyway because it would be cheaper to look at a bolt CZ or maybe a lightly modded 10/22. There are ways to get a super accurate AR .22 but of course it costs a lot more. It is up to you if you want to spend the cash or just buy this for $250 http://www.thecmp.org/images/Savage_w.jpg And what might that be? |
|
Savage markII-FVT my bad they are closer to $325 for normal people. http://www.thecmp.org/22targetcommercial.htm |
|
That's slick, I was also considering a bolt action .22lr with iron sights. I love my bolt action 410 shotgun. Makes shooting clays pigeons a challenge. |
|
I recommend a certain degree of caution for newcomers about buying used lowers at gunshows or other venues from individuals.
If it was assembled by some thieving guardsman using M-16 parts, even on a commercial stripped lower, you could wind up with an unregistered machine gun, even if it won't shoot full auto. It's easy enough to tell M-16 bolt carriers, sears, triggers, disconnectors from legal civilian ones once you've studied a little, but this EXACTLY the kind of error AR newcomers can easily make. Then you have to surrender the offending parts to your local ATF and explain where they came from. Just throw them in a lake? Prove that when the knock comes on the door about the sting they were running on the seller. Don't laugh, it happened to the other guy on my deer lease. |
|
Went to the gun store today. They had completely stripped lowers for $179.99.
Good deal? Bad deal? I'm not going to be purchasing anything until I go to the gun show to see what they have to offer. I will look for a cheaper 1/12 twist upper AR and go from there. If I can't find a stripped lower for a decent price than I am going to just save up and get a Ruger SR-556 Who knows? Someone could come out with a .22lr Upper that will fit the Ruger SR-556 next year. If I find an awesome deal for everything then I will go with the killer deal, if not than SR-556 here I come! Besides I already have a Ruger 10/22, Mark III Hunter, and a Ruger Charger that I am going to make Tactical with the Axiom Stock coming out by BlackHawk in August!!!!! I think I am settled on a .223 for right now unless a killer deal pops out of the woodwork. Thanks for all the help everyone! Take care -Matt I think I said the same thing a few times there. Sorry. |
|
$179 is a bit high. Do you have anyone local that will do a transfer for a reasonable fee? spikes is running a sale now and there is superior arms and essential arm that make decent affordable lowers. This is a good deal at aim http://tinyurl.com/3d2evw A buttstock away from a complete lower. |
|
Check out Aimsurplus.com for good deals on stripped lowers. Also may have some other parts you will need. I am in the process of building a semi-dedicated .22 upper right now and have made a spreadsheet of everything you will need plus 5 or 6 of the major vendors that you can buy the parts from. Send me an IM with your email and I can send it to you. Its not perfect but it will help you see where your money is going and who has the best deals on parts.
I will warn you I am building from the barrel up (which happens to be a M16A1 1/12 barrel). So you would need access to a upper vise block and some tools to do a full blown upper build yourself. The Build it yourself section on here has an invaluable amount of how-tos and info. Start with a stripped or complete lower and get that built and ready to go first. Then you can decide on really which type of upper you want and whether or not you want to build it yourself versus buying a drop in ready unit. Welcome and good luck JestersHK |
| Just buy the dedicated .22LR upper from Spike's Tactical. Buy the stripped lower from them as well which is on sale for $100 till the end of this month. Buy a DPMS lower parts kit and install it yourself. It's pretty easy and at least you'll know where all the parts go and how it works. Go to the "Build it yourself" section here in the forums and just follow the directions. |
|
Quoted:
Just buy the dedicated .22LR upper from Spike's Tactical. Buy the stripped lower from them as well which is on sale for $100 till the end of this month. Buy a DPMS lower parts kit and install it yourself. It's pretty easy and at least you'll know where all the parts go and how it works. Go to the "Build it yourself" section here in the forums and just follow the directions. I am really thinking about getting an older AR model with a 1/12 upper and just get the conversion kit from Spike's I believe so I can just change the bolts for the .223/.22lr. That seems to be the cheapest route is it not? Thanks Take care -Matt |
|
It will be and those 20" rifle shoot smooth. I love my A2 and was going to just add a conversion kit to it but the 1/7 twist didn't make me 100% happy and I was able to talked the wife into a Spikes .22 build. Welcome to BRD it only get worse. You will want more but the route you are taking will be the best for your situation and will yeald you a great versitile rifle to have lots of fun with hope you find and enjoy what you are out to get. Good luck seems like you have already learned a lot. |
|
It will probably be your cheapest route besides m1s. Going with the retro 1/12 upper. You save $$ on the sights. You are at $635 for the spikes upper with sights. for a 1/12 you are around $300 of the ee + spikes bolt $200 add your $210 cmmg lower + $50 stock and you are $750. Spikes $635 + $260 = $895 The model 1 sales kit is a good deal if you want a dedicated gun $560 + $120 (stripped lower) = $680 If they are instock. I just don't know they are instock or what. Having to call and ask just turns me way off about a company. I like spikes because they say if it is in stock or not. same with PKfirearms brownells etc. I just don't want to play the guessing game with my money. I just won't buy or I will buy something off the EE before I have to pick up the phone during business hours to call a company to see if something I want is instock. If I really want it and if it is a specialty Item then I might pick up the phone but if there are other suitable options you are not getting my cash. But that is just me and I hate being on the phone. I suggested it because you already have a customized a bit 10/22 and charger etc. The benefits being you would have an AR that had acceptable accuracy for training with a .22 kit and could be used as a .223 rifle whenever you wanted to swap the bolt out. Their aren't a lot of downsides unless you really want a flattop or a carbine setup. You can always change out the upper reciever later for a flatop if you wanted anyway. |
AR Sponsor