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Posted: 9/11/2010 6:04:46 AM EDT
I think this would be an easy ar to build to reach my state's legal needs with the fixed stock.
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 7:11:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/11/2010 7:28:37 AM EDT by flatdarkmars]
Found these in the Retro Shorty pic thread:


By member GVS:




By member mentalstampede:




I have to say, they look pretty sweet.

ETA: Considering what an aluminum stock sells for these days, these are looking more and more attractive...
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 7:26:36 AM EDT
Best handling AR in my opinion.
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 7:59:18 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 8:04:07 AM EDT
So is that what I'll have if I put my 653 upper on my 603 lower?
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 8:44:07 AM EDT
651 has FA.....652 has no FA. 14.5"bl.
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 9:04:41 AM EDT
I never did one of those, but I built a frankencarbine with a type "D" stock several years ago when I was still a retro hacker, and really liked the handling.

Link Posted: 9/11/2010 9:25:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/11/2010 9:27:23 AM EDT by FMJ52]
The one in the middle I call my 651M, M for middy. I really like the way it feels, it is one of my favorite rifles to shoot.



Link Posted: 9/11/2010 9:45:19 AM EDT
The middy definitely looks more balanced, but either way, the fixed stock carbine is pretty much my favorite as far as handling goes. Why the 651/652's had flat slip rings when the XM177 pioneered the delta rings, we'll likely never know, but I'm building a C7 upper 16" carbine in ban state configuration and consider the lack of a collapsible stock no great loss. I really like the way these things handle. Did I say that already?

FWIW, the heavier buffer helps the reliability of the carbine as well. They used them quite a bit on XM177E1's in VN and I suspect that this is the reason.
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 12:51:47 PM EDT
Does anyone have a pic of one in use?
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 12:55:18 PM EDT
Originally Posted By xoldsmugglerx:
Does anyone have a pic of one in use?



Malaysian. Not sure if it's an original 651, or a 653 that someone just put a rifle stock on later.
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 6:49:59 PM EDT
My 652 Clone. NoDak lower & upper. Here-a-part-there-a-part for the rest of it.

Link Posted: 9/11/2010 6:53:02 PM EDT
I think these things are starting to grow on me.
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 7:23:35 PM EDT
Originally Posted By plinkr415:
I think these things are starting to grow on me.


+1

I have most everything to do one here, except a barrel & lower receiver, so it may just be my next project.
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 8:43:54 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 9:30:22 PM EDT


Carbines w/ fixed stocks & rifles w/ collapsible stocks just look like freak mutants to me. I can't even stand the sight of them, nor rifles w/ 30rd mags & carbines w/ 20rd mags. They just don't seem right.

But hey, to each his own. Glad you guys like 'em.
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 1:19:33 AM EDT
Originally Posted By C6H12O6:


Carbines w/ fixed stocks & rifles w/ collapsible stocks just look like freak mutants to me. I can't even stand the sight of them, nor rifles w/ 30rd mags & carbines w/ 20rd mags. They just don't seem right.

But hey, to each his own. Glad you guys like 'em.


So I take it that you haven't built a 651 or a 652 clone?

Link Posted: 9/12/2010 3:56:28 AM EDT
Best thing about the AR is that you can swap the uppers and lowers to either configuration without much hassle.
Works around here since my wife is a lot shorter than I am and the rifle stock is too long for her.

YMMV, but watch out if your wife wants you to build her a separate upper, she's got something planned....
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