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Posted: 4/22/2014 12:32:29 AM EDT
| Looking at the ar10a think thats the model thats tales magpul mags with a 16 inch barrel. What kind of accuracy are you guys getting? Everything thing else in its price range like ruger, m&p, sig, ect seem to be doing 1.5 to sub moa. |
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It would be getting the same accuracy as a similar b model. Only difference between B / A is the upper has a mag over insertion tab removed .
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Looking at the ar10a think thats the model thats tales magpul mags with a 16 inch barrel. What kind of accuracy are you guys getting? Everything thing else in its price range like ruger, m&p, sig, ect seem to be doing 1.5 to sub moa. |
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"end results" is a bit ambiguous.
Mine is accurate and reliable and hasn't had any parts failures but relying on or presenting anecdotal evidence as authoritative is pretty 
Being able to use common and conventional magazines is nice. Using a very proprietary upper is proving to be a hassle for home-build uppers. Like someone else said, accuracy is the same as any of the other 16" chrome lined light weight barreled uppers. No reason for it to be different. If it seems like you're getting underwhelming responses then I'd suggest that it's because of the underwhelming differences between the A and B variants. |
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ArmaLite's rifles are typically as accurate as anything else.
Claims of sub-MOA or better out of any normal production .308 AR with a non-bull barrel is something I'd have to see in person to believe. After years of hearing those claims about various rifles and subsequently having the person claiming to have done it suddenly have a shitpile of excuses or start spewing bullshit, color me skeptical. There are a couple of posters here that I'd give the benefit of the doubt but for the most part I don't believe any sub-MOA claim about a service grade or hobby grade rifle. Mine groups about 1.3" at 100 yards with a 168gr HPBT handload and around 2" with most commercial 150gr FMJBT. That's 10 shot groups prone off of a soft rest. Expecting better than that out of anything semi-auto with a light barrel is unrealistic in my opinion. The S&W M&P10 is in the same price range but the Ruger, if I'm not mistaken, is quite a bit more expensive plus it's piston-driven. I don't know about the price of the SIG but the 3 I've seen weren't anywhere near 1-MOA accurate. Take anecdotes for what they're worth though. If I had to do it all over I'd probably still get the AR-10A but probably in the (T) config. |
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Claims of sub-MOA or better out of any normal production .308 AR with a non-bull barrel is something I'd have to see in person to believe. . If I had to do it all over I'd probably still get the AR-10A but probably in the (T) config. Since 1999, I have never, ever, seen an ARMALITE AR-10A4 20" not shoot sub-MOA with fodder that it liked. All of mine had proven to be sub 0.75" @ 100yds five (5) shot groups before "break-in" and sub 0.5" once B-N was accomplished. BTW, and that has been with AETEC, Burris, Redfield..., you know, those sub $500 scopes. I'll post pics later of a less than 45 minutes till the sun is goes down, and Bambi bashing with modern arms starts in the morning zeroing experience with an ARMALITE 20" AR-10A4 (B) w/AIMPOINT 5000 1.5MOA red dot. Have to go cook supper for Dad rat da-da-damn now. Will be back. Forgot to add: Most people can't shoot. Earned the Smith-Barney method @ 29 years ago: 
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Since 1999, I have never, ever, seen an ARMALITE AR-10A4 20" not shoot sub-MOA with fodder that it liked. All of mine had proven to be sub 0.75" @ 100yds five (5) shot groups before "break-in" and sub 0.5" once B-N was accomplished. BTW, and that has been with AETEC, Burris, Redfield..., you know, those sub $500 scopes. I'll post pics later of a less than 45 minutes till the sun is goes down, and Bambi bashing with modern arms starts in the morning zeroing experience with an ARMALITE 20" AR-10A4 (B) w/AIMPOINT 5000 1.5MOA red dot. Have to go cook supper for Dad rat da-da-damn now. Will be back. Forgot to add: Most people can't shoot. Earned the Smith-Barney method @ 29 years ago: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v403/DaveDS/PA020074.jpg Quoted:
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Claims of sub-MOA or better out of any normal production .308 AR with a non-bull barrel is something I'd have to see in person to believe. . If I had to do it all over I'd probably still get the AR-10A but probably in the (T) config. Since 1999, I have never, ever, seen an ARMALITE AR-10A4 20" not shoot sub-MOA with fodder that it liked. All of mine had proven to be sub 0.75" @ 100yds five (5) shot groups before "break-in" and sub 0.5" once B-N was accomplished. BTW, and that has been with AETEC, Burris, Redfield..., you know, those sub $500 scopes. I'll post pics later of a less than 45 minutes till the sun is goes down, and Bambi bashing with modern arms starts in the morning zeroing experience with an ARMALITE 20" AR-10A4 (B) w/AIMPOINT 5000 1.5MOA red dot. Have to go cook supper for Dad rat da-da-damn now. Will be back. Forgot to add: Most people can't shoot. Earned the Smith-Barney method @ 29 years ago: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v403/DaveDS/PA020074.jpg You may be hanging around with an uncommon group of shooters. The rest of us mortals normally will never see or achieve that degree of accuracy and some people never find that one load that works best. If the OP wants to buy a carbine in order to brag that's one thing. If there is a more practical motivation then I think he's going to be disappointed, especially if he gets a carbine with a GI trigger setup instead of the 2-stage. |
| Op will be using it as his only ar for shtf, paper punching at the 100 yard range, hunting hogs and deer, and whatever percision i can get out of it. Not going 6.8 or 6.5 i like ammo i can find anywhere or walk into a store and buy. I like the fixed front a2 sight. Right now the only thing keeping me from a 10a is waiting to see psa's. It will get a troy rear flip up and a nikon 4-12 40mm in a quick detach with single point nothing crazy. |
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Stewart Wilson is an esoteric soul and part bat shit crazy...
I likes 'im. http://www.reloadersnest.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11579 |
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Op will be using it as his only ar for shtf, paper punching at the 100 yard range, hunting hogs and deer, and whatever (sic)percision i can get out of it. Not going 6.8 or 6.5 i like ammo i can find anywhere or walk into a store and buy. I like the fixed front a2 sight. Right now the only thing keeping me from a 10a is waiting to see psa's. It will get a troy rear flip up and a nikon 4-12 40mm in a quick detach with single point nothing crazy. You won't be disappointed if that's your goal. If it shoots under 1.5MOA routinely then bragging might not be bragging. I put a PA FSC30 brake on mine, MI flip-ups and have had a variety of optics on it. Other than some horribly soft Magtech 7.62 NATO ball that gets a chunk of the rim ripped off, everything I feed it works and shoots decently. In fact, I'm headed out to put some crappy russian steel cased .308 though it. I'm even going to use a DPMS magazine. That magtech ammo I mentioned has failed in every single semi-auto rifled it's been tried in including a .308 Saiga, a DPMS, an M1a, and 2 FALs. |
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Since 1999, I have never, ever, seen an ARMALITE AR-10A4 20" not shoot sub-MOA with fodder that it liked. All of mine had proven to be sub 0.75" @ 100yds five (5) shot groups before "break-in" and sub 0.5" once B-N was accomplished. BTW, and that has been with AETEC, Burris, Redfield..., you know, those sub $500 scopes. I'll post pics later of a less than 45 minutes till the sun is goes down, and Bambi bashing with modern arms starts in the morning zeroing experience with an ARMALITE 20" AR-10A4 (B) w/AIMPOINT 5000 1.5MOA red dot. Have to go cook supper for Dad rat da-da-damn now. Will be back. Forgot to add: Most people can't shoot. Earned the Smith-Barney method @ 29 years ago: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v403/DaveDS/PA020074.jpg Quoted:
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Claims of sub-MOA or better out of any normal production .308 AR with a non-bull barrel is something I'd have to see in person to believe. . If I had to do it all over I'd probably still get the AR-10A but probably in the (T) config. Since 1999, I have never, ever, seen an ARMALITE AR-10A4 20" not shoot sub-MOA with fodder that it liked. All of mine had proven to be sub 0.75" @ 100yds five (5) shot groups before "break-in" and sub 0.5" once B-N was accomplished. BTW, and that has been with AETEC, Burris, Redfield..., you know, those sub $500 scopes. I'll post pics later of a less than 45 minutes till the sun is goes down, and Bambi bashing with modern arms starts in the morning zeroing experience with an ARMALITE 20" AR-10A4 (B) w/AIMPOINT 5000 1.5MOA red dot. Have to go cook supper for Dad rat da-da-damn now. Will be back. Forgot to add: Most people can't shoot. Earned the Smith-Barney method @ 29 years ago: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v403/DaveDS/PA020074.jpg OP: My A4 will not produce sub-MOA groups tho I have not done extensive load development with it. I'm pretty certain I could do better but for the purposes of the rifle I just haven't put in the load workup time yet. Dave: I suggested this to you at least once before but maybe you missed it. Most guys simply do not believe you and think you are merely blowing a lot of gas when you make this claim. Please check out this thread below. It was set up for just exactly these claims. The rules are easy so make sure to follow them or the administrator of the thread won't post your results. Shoot it and demonstrate your claim. That'll either shut up the non-believers...or you, I suppose, if you can't produce the results or if you can't/won't shoot the challenge. A number of guys have been called out and fled the scene...some have stepped up. The rest of us who don't make accuracy claims just shot the Challenge and posted our results. Anyway, it is all in good fun and really does hang the meat on the bones of all those proclamations made by many about sub-MOA groups... C'mon, show us how it's done! 
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1518887___ARFCOM_1_MOA_ALL_DAY_LONG__Challenge_.html PS: Yes, I put my money where my mouth is, so-to-speak. When you are done wringing out your rifles on the bench, give this one a try. Another fun shooting challenge! http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/619213__OFFICIAL_ARFCOM_AR_NON_MOA__SHTF__CHALLENGE__.html |
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Roger That, EVR. Sounds good! A little bad news...the SHTF Challenge just got got archived and I'm trying to get it resurrected now that the weather is better as there are some more who want to shoot it. It would be neat to have all these challenges grouped together as stickies somewhere. Molon has one, then the MOA and mine. I'm not sure if there are others. Anyway, have some fun with it and post your results on the MOA Challenge. The rules make it just a little different than bench shooting. For example, I just shot mine from prone off my rucksack I carry my ski-trekking survival gear in. Most guys seem to use a heavy bench but there is a size limit to the rear bag. Just check out the first page before you shoot. |
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DaveS and anyone else that wants to wring out their AR10's on both of the Challenges, good news:
The following thread has been UN-Archived. Have at it! http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/619213__OFFICIAL_ARFCOM_AR_NON_MOA__SHTF__CHALLENGE__.html |
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I have the AR-10a carbine. With a 2.5-10x40 scope mounted on it for load development I was able to shoot at .95" 5 shot groups with American Eagle 150 fmj. I was able to do slightly better with Federal Match 168gr SMK loads at .90" 5 shot group. I was able to do this with multiple groups on different days. I could usually get the first three rounds fired to touch or nearly touch and the last two rounds fired would always open up the group. All groups are fired from a home built bench and use a caldwell rest up front and rear bag.
I haven't been able to shoot any 168gr SMK hand loads yet because I haven't been able to find any match kings around anywhere. However I did buy the 155gr SMK palma bullets and it showed some promise with one group of .79" but most other were in the .87"-.90" range. Same thing with the first three touching and then last two open up. The Barrel is thin and heats up pretty quick. If I were to have been blessed with patience then maybe I could sit longer and allow the barrel to cool. But since I am not a patient person I will settle for what I have. I have since removed the scope and put a 1-4x on it and need to sight it in still. It just didn't look right with that big scope on it. I have talked with several people who have all said that their rifles shoot much better than what Armalite claims on their website of 2-3MOA. |
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