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Posted: 9/20/2003 4:51:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/20/2003 5:37:34 PM EDT by SMGLee]

HK AG36, the replacement for the M203 which will end service life by 2007. the HK SA80A2 magazine in the mag well.


M4 with SIR and Vtal, MARS sight mounted on an ARMS base to rise the sight, CRANE stock and KAC suppressor.


Tavor MARS system on M4 with build in IR illuminator and designator.


Beretta Offering




Latest version of the XM8 which is the same as the one feature on the Army Times. Rumble about this might be the replacement for the M4 system in the big Army with the M4 system come to a system end of life in 2009.
Link Posted: 9/20/2003 4:56:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/20/2003 5:13:07 PM EDT by SMGLee]
[img]http://www.thermaldynamics.com/pictures/MDM/3genGL.jpg[/img] 3 gen of GL, Mk19, Striker and the M307. [img]http://www.thermaldynamics.com/pictures/MDM/Striker1.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.thermaldynamics.com/pictures/MDM/Striker2.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.thermaldynamics.com/pictures/MDM/XM307-1.jpg[/img] XM307 with the mock up 50 cal barrel, it is planned to replace the M2 and the Mk19 which the XM307 can switch to a 50 cal with four parts. [img]http://www.thermaldynamics.com/pictures/MDM/M2remote1.jpg[/img] I took this picture because of the EOTech. [img]http://www.thermaldynamics.com/pictures/MDM/M3-1.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.thermaldynamics.com/pictures/MDM/M3-2.jpg[/img] FN's 1000 rounds per minute 50 cal air cool HMG
Link Posted: 9/20/2003 5:02:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/20/2003 5:19:13 PM EDT by SMGLee]
[img]http://www.thermaldynamics.com/pictures/MDM/PMMG.jpg[/img] Project Manager PIP M240 and 249. [img]http://www.thermaldynamics.com/pictures/MDM/M240PIP.jpg[/img] Titanium Receiver M240PIP. [img]http://www.thermaldynamics.com/pictures/MDM/GMG.jpg[/img] HK GMG [img]http://www.thermaldynamics.com/pictures/MDM/FNSniper.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.thermaldynamics.com/pictures/MDM/IRLaser.jpg[/img] Atila, possible replacement for the PEQ2a in the upcoming SOPMOD2 down select.
Link Posted: 9/20/2003 5:04:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/20/2003 5:06:59 PM EDT by SULACO2]
Whoa... What's on the SIR equipped rifle? What settup is that? Any captions or info on any of the pics? (ed. to add: Sorry Chen I jumped in too soon, thanks for the updates.) Thanks Chen. As usual, excellent "scoop". S2
Link Posted: 9/20/2003 5:30:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/20/2003 5:37:21 PM EDT by Yojimbo]
Chen, Excellent pics! Thanks for taking the time to keep us regular folks up to speed! Man, is it just me or does the XM8 look really gay??? It looks like something Starfleet would issue...[:|] I need a couple of the 1000RPM .50 cal machine guns![:D]
Link Posted: 9/20/2003 6:55:03 PM EDT
Its not just you, I also think the XM8 is gay as hell. I don't think HK knows how to make "elegant" guns, just weird plastic space phaser ray guns. Hey, how come the Beretta offerings are totally devoid of their usual flair and style? Also, how come there are so many foreign manufacturers represented? Is there nothing made by manufacturers in the good ole U.S. of A? Ghost
Link Posted: 9/20/2003 7:03:31 PM EDT
... Great report Chen, thanks!
Link Posted: 9/20/2003 7:36:16 PM EDT
I feel all tingly...
Link Posted: 9/20/2003 11:40:48 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/21/2003 4:08:39 AM EDT
Chen, nice pics,thanks. PP out
Link Posted: 9/21/2003 5:35:18 AM EDT
nice pics. thanks chen.
Link Posted: 9/21/2003 6:36:08 AM EDT
Thanks very much for those pics, sweet!
Link Posted: 9/21/2003 10:10:01 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/21/2003 1:15:10 PM EDT
I am glad you guy enjoy the photos. I will be at COPWest in Ontario, CA Monday through Wednesday, I will get more photos for you guys.
Link Posted: 9/21/2003 10:59:51 PM EDT
Chen, some questions: what's the MARS sight in the second pic ? I admit my ignorance here. The KAC suppressor seems to be mounted on a 10.5 barrel , right ? What's the meaning of the Beretta ARs presence there ? Thanks for yr time, PP out
Link Posted: 9/21/2003 11:14:25 PM EDT
I am almost surprised that the FS on all of them is very similar (read same) as the Vortex I use. [;)] Great minds think alike?
Link Posted: 9/21/2003 11:32:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/21/2003 11:34:12 PM EDT by DevL]
Originally Posted By CavVet: I am almost surprised that the FS on all of them is very similar (read same) as the Vortex I use. [;)] Great minds think alike?
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I dont see a single Vortex out there and the only similar thing on a shoulder fired weapon is the XM8. [>:/]
Link Posted: 9/22/2003 6:48:16 AM EDT
Originally Posted By PincoPalla: Chen, some questions: what's the MARS sight in the second pic ? I admit my ignorance here.
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That is the sight the Isrealis are using on the new Tavor. It is a straight red dot reflex sight with IR aimer build in.
Originally Posted By PincoPalla: The KAC suppressor seems to be mounted on a 10.5 barrel , right ?
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Yes, you are correct.
Originally Posted By PincoPalla: What's the meaning of the Beretta ARs presence there ?
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Beretta has a strong presence at the show, they brought their entire line for show and tell. I think the AR 79/90 was there to show their capabilities and range.
Link Posted: 9/22/2003 10:52:53 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/22/2003 12:09:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/22/2003 12:30:24 PM EDT by fight4yourrights]
I was glad they kicked us out a day early with the hurricane coming. [b]WHERE ARE THE PICS OF THE CAMELBAK GIRLS???[/B] Hot!!! Hot!!! Hot!!! Slutty Hot!! Doing AUSA or MILCOM next month? I'll be displaying at both - ECS Composites, Paul Britton. Swing by and say hi.
Link Posted: 9/22/2003 12:55:46 PM EDT
Originally Posted By fight4yourrights: I was glad they kicked us out a day early with the hurricane coming. [b]WHERE ARE THE PICS OF THE CAMELBAK GIRLS???[/B] Hot!!! Hot!!! Hot!!! Slutty Hot!! Doing AUSA or MILCOM next month? I'll be displaying at both - ECS Composites, Paul Britton. Swing by and say hi.
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The Camel bak girls were pretty hot, but I did not want to be some freaky provert taking pictures of them from every possible angle. [:)] I will not be at the AUSA but plan a trip for the next year's AUSA. I am sorry I did not come by and said hello, it would have been nice to hook up with you and Forest for dinner in DC. Hope to see you next year.
Link Posted: 9/22/2003 9:03:44 PM EDT
You need to carry that vertical grip with you for some more uh, "endorsements." "The Hooter's Girls approved this, can you take a look at it too?"
Link Posted: 9/23/2003 6:49:12 AM EDT
Chen, copy that, thanks a lot. PP out
Link Posted: 9/23/2003 7:01:13 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Troy: They can keep it.
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Unfortunately you're right. I hate to see badmouthing italian goods but here I cannot say anything good abt them . The AR70/90 does his job indeed , but it is an old design , heavy and bulky . PP out
Link Posted: 9/23/2003 12:51:21 PM EDT
FWIW: The XM307 OCSW when converted to .50 BMG becomes the XM312. The mock-up barrel shown appears to be the XM307 given the thicker diameter, shorter length, and muzzle brake. The prototype(s) of the XM312 shown to date have been fitted with a thinner, longer barrel without a muzzle brake.
Link Posted: 9/23/2003 2:55:41 PM EDT
The MARS reflex sight shown comes with a built in IR laser aimer so the Vital is kind of redundant. Interesting to see that the KAC M4QD uses a piece of perforated sheet inconel wrapped and welded to the tube. (that's a little cheap.) I haven't seen one like that. Is that a new production modification or has it always been that way? (I always thought it was perforated inconel tubing). That XM8 just looks like a G36 with a collapsible stock and redesigned outer plastic shell. HK is trying to screw us over. That sighting system on the HK grenade launcher looks like it might increase hit probability (too bad they can't design one for our M203 and maybe design a device to decrease barrel wobble (the 40mm grenades have greater range than the 36mm HK grenades.)
Link Posted: 9/23/2003 5:34:28 PM EDT
Originally Posted By dewatters: FWIW: The XM307 OCSW when converted to .50 BMG becomes the XM312. The mock-up barrel shown appears to be the XM307 given the thicker diameter, shorter length, and muzzle brake. The prototype(s) of the XM312 shown to date have been fitted with a thinner, longer barrel without a muzzle brake.
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I guess I did not state the picture correctly, the barrel on the XM307 is the grenade barrel, the 50 cal barrel is laying on the ground next to the mock up display.
Link Posted: 9/23/2003 6:12:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Green0: That sighting system on the HK grenade launcher looks like it might increase hit probability (too bad they can't design one for our M203 and maybe design a device to decrease barrel wobble (the 40mm grenades have greater range than the 36mm HK grenades.)
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The sight shown with the HK AG-C is the Ring Sight LC-14-65 (NSN: 1240-12-359-8427). It consists of a glass block etched with a ladder reticle allowing elevation out to 350m. The reticle is illuminated by ambient light during daytime, and by a Tritium insert in darkened conditions. The AG36/AG-C grenade launcher is most assuredly a standard 40x46mm system, instead of a smooth bore 37mm gas/flare launcher. The Germans use it, as do the the Brits (as the L17A1 and L17A2 depending on the host weapon). In the US, it is up for the EGLM competition as well as the new XM320 requirement.
Link Posted: 9/24/2003 10:02:42 AM EDT
"The AG36/AG-C grenade launcher is most assuredly a standard 40x46mm system, instead of a smooth bore 37mm gas/flare launcher. The Germans use it, as do the the Brits (as the L17A1 and L17A2 depending on the host weapon). In the US, it is up for the EGLM competition as well as the new XM320 requirement." I always thought the Germans used a totally different 36mm grenade with shorter range than the US 40MM grenade. I realize now that that was probably the NVEC table and the M-16 was simply a display gun used for mounting the NVEC IR lasers (so I guess the redundancy was intended to show both units mounted with only one display gun.) [The Night vision case filled with candy (not your normal use for a starlight case.) and the 2 NVEC products kind of tipped me off.]
Link Posted: 9/24/2003 10:18:10 PM EDT
That XM8 reminds me of my old Lasertag rifle (only green).
Link Posted: 9/25/2003 5:27:13 AM EDT
The diameter depend if you measure the lands or grooves.
Link Posted: 9/27/2003 11:30:49 AM EDT
BTW Attila 200 ROCKS... In our trials it was a heavy favourite over the PEQ-2A.
Link Posted: 9/27/2003 1:12:23 PM EDT
And I hear the word on the street is the Attilla is a heavy favorite on the SOPMOD2 selection too.
Link Posted: 10/5/2003 7:36:57 PM EDT
Chen: Did you get the opportunity to handle the XM8? The one I looked at was made of wood.
Link Posted: 10/5/2003 10:51:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Delta6: Chen: Did you get the opportunity to handle the XM8? The one I looked at was made of wood.
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Delta, I played with the samething you did. Both PMO and HK had display mock up at their table. Earth tone on the PMO table and green on the HK display. I hear 200 has been ordered for testing.
Link Posted: 10/6/2003 8:03:43 AM EDT
Whoa.....
Link Posted: 10/6/2003 8:46:05 AM EDT
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