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Posted: 10/17/2014 12:24:19 AM EDT
| Greetings, Im a new AR owner and have already made a huge mistake. I took my weapon to a local "gunsmith" for a free float quad rail installment. Needless to say, after torquing on the flash suppressor attempting to unscrew it, the upper cracked and split at the threads. Also, he managed to unscrew the barrel from the barrel extension as well as loose the barrel extension pin. Everything has been since replaced or fixed but the concern now is how do I re-align the barrel extension and the barrel (gas port)? Any help would be greatly appreciated. |
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Greetings, Im a new AR owner and have already made a huge mistake. I took my weapon to a local "gunsmith" for a free float quad rail installment. Needless to say, after torquing on the flash suppressor attempting to unscrew it, the upper cracked and split at the threads. Also, he managed to unscrew the barrel from the barrel extension as well as loose the barrel extension pin. Everything has been since replaced or fixed but the concern now is how do I re-align the barrel extension and the barrel (gas port)? Any help would be greatly appreciated. That list of "fixed or replaced" from your local hack should have included a new barrel. |
| I was told it was my fault because the gun I brought him was defective. I know I got screwed over but going against this person in small claims court is not something I care to do. Ive had to buy and replace everyting else myself. So in other words, a new barrel should be the next purchase? |
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I have never attempted an extension install. It has never come up that I needed to do this, luckily. Once torqued, it would have to be dead nuts perfect.
What barrel do you have? Is it worth it? If it is a good barrel, I would send it to ADCO, have them time and install the extension. If it is a cheaper barrel, write it off as an experience and let us direct you to a good deal. Many here are experienced in the install of the extension, and perhaps they will chime in. |
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I was told it was my fault because the gun I brought him was defective. I know I got screwed over but going against this person in small claims court is not something I care to do. Ive had to buy and replace everyting else myself. So in other words, a new barrel should be the next purchase? Wait, YOU paid for every replacement part??? I would have raised the fucking dead |
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Wait, YOU paid for every replacement part??? I would have raised the fucking dead Quoted:
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I was told it was my fault because the gun I brought him was defective. I know I got screwed over but going against this person in small claims court is not something I care to do. Ive had to buy and replace everyting else myself. So in other words, a new barrel should be the next purchase? Wait, YOU paid for every replacement part??? I would have raised the fucking dead The guy is a former well know police officer in the small town where I live. The gun shop is owned by him and another cop. Would be a never-ending battle. I said fuck it and will spread word of mouth to all that will hear it not to take shit there. |
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My gun is an ATI Omni2 Hybrid with a 16.1 barrel, 1x7 twist (5.56) Would this one I just found be compatible?
16" 416R Stainless steel barrel, chambered in 5.56 NATO with a 1:9 Twist with an M4 Barrel extension. Barrel is a mid-length gas, A2-style profile, with a .750" Gas block area. |
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Quoted:The guy is a former well know police officer in the small town where I live. The gun shop is owned by him and another cop. Would be a never-ending battle. I said fuck it and will spread word of mouth to all that will hear it not to take shit there.
Keep the parts around so you can show them off if people don't believe ya. |
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I had my extension come loose after nitride Link:http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/641642__ARCHIVED_THREAD____A_warning_for_those_who_want_to_nitride_their_AR15_barrel___Barrel_came_loose_from_the_extension_.html&page=3 WOA was able to install a new one for $50. Check with your barrel manufacturer. If he cracked the upper and loosen the extension by just the flasher hider, then he was not using a barrel vice to do it right. One lesson I learn too. That's how my extension came off. Mine you that the extension should be on at 150 foot/Lbs. and no way your flasher hider should be torque that high. Any chances the flash suppressor was pined? |
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I would create an alias facebook page and flame the crap out of the store. none of this would have happened if the dip$hiT had used a set of barrel vice jaws. 100% his fault. ALL OF IT.. ! Thats badass... The store's name is "Black Guns" perfect name would be "HACK GUNS" lmfao |
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Quoted: Greetings, Im a new AR owner and have already made a huge mistake. I took my weapon to a local "gunsmith" for a free float quad rail installment. Needless to say, after torquing on the flash suppressor attempting to unscrew it, the upper cracked and split at the threads. Also, he managed to unscrew the barrel from the barrel extension as well as loose the barrel extension pin. Everything has been since replaced or fixed but the concern now is how do I re-align the barrel extension and the barrel (gas port)? Any help would be greatly appreciated.  "gunsmith" |
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Man, that sucks. Through incompetence he basically destroyed your upper and barrel and then had the nerve to blame you. (Or, more accurately, your gun).
I can understand your reluctance to take this issue to court, but clearly they should have made it right by replacing your entire upper. Now that you've caught the BRD (Black Rifle Disease), you might as well become a DIY'er. The beauty of the AR platform is that if you have access to bench-mounted vise, for about $300 in tools you can basically become your own "gunsmith". Honestly, if you're a homeowner you likely have most of the tools required in your toolbox already. For barrels and other work with uppers, get a Geissele Reaction Rod...or save some bucks and get the Brownell's version HERE. Be sure and check out the video. Yes, an upper vise-block will work for a lot of things, but for basically the same money you can guarantee you're not putting any stress on the upper receiver. Here's a fantastic thread on Arfcom that will show you the steps to build/work on your AR. Good luck, and Google is your friend if you have questions. Generally, I just type Arfcom in the search bar and then the question. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_4/226782_Assemble_your_own_LOWER__UPPER__FREE_FLOAT__TRIGGER__GAS_BLOCK___Step_by_step_instructions_.html |
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AR's are too easy to work on yourself to chance bringing it to a gunsmith you know nothing about IMO. I agree plus it seems these "gunsmiths" or Bubba's as I call them know nothing of black rifle proper assembly. I have seen one who thought he needed to fit the FCG because he had springs backwards and could not get the pins and holes to align. A simple youtube video and you can know just about anything you want to know to work on an AR with a basic mechanical understanding. |
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Have your "gunsmith" buy you a new upper. Seriously, that's the easiest and best way. This. That "Gunsmith" is an incompetent fool. I can't count how many muzzle devices, re-barrel jobs, quad rails, etc I've performed over the last 5-6 years but it's been a lot for me, family, and friends... And I've never cracked anything. Your gunsmith is anything but... Make him buy you a new complete upper. |
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I was told it was my fault because the gun I brought him was defective. I know I got screwed over but going against this person in small claims court is not something I care to do. Ive had to buy and replace everyting else myself. So in other words, a new barrel should be the next purchase? So, this fuck didn't pay for or replace anything? What a loser. Name the shop and the "gunsmith" here and in the hometown forum so nobody else gets fucked over... |
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do you still have the original (damaged) parts?
as stated above, list the shop and the pictures in the hometown forum.. I'd hate to think that this guy is passing himself off as a smith without the ability to remove a flash suppressor without f'ing up an upper, barrel, and barrel extension. im sure he JACKED the gas tube, too, didn't he? |
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do you still have the original (damaged) parts? as stated above, list the shop and the pictures in the hometown forum.. I'd hate to think that this guy is passing himself off as a smith without the ability to remove a flash suppressor without f'ing up an upper, barrel, and barrel extension. im sure he JACKED the gas tube, too, didn't he? You know he did. What a retard this "gunsmith" is. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't try to start unscrewing the barrel nut with the gas tube still in place... |
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You know he did. What a retard this "gunsmith" is. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't try to start unscrewing the barrel nut with the gas tube still in place... Quoted:
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do you still have the original (damaged) parts? as stated above, list the shop and the pictures in the hometown forum.. I'd hate to think that this guy is passing himself off as a smith without the ability to remove a flash suppressor without f'ing up an upper, barrel, and barrel extension. im sure he JACKED the gas tube, too, didn't he? You know he did. What a retard this "gunsmith" is. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't try to start unscrewing the barrel nut with the gas tube still in place... I'm picturing a pipe wrench and a cheater bar. |
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Thats badass... The store's name is "Black Guns" perfect name would be "HACK GUNS" lmfao Quoted:
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I would create an alias facebook page and flame the crap out of the store. none of this would have happened if the dip$hiT had used a set of barrel vice jaws. 100% his fault. ALL OF IT.. ! Thats badass... The store's name is "Black Guns" perfect name would be "HACK GUNS" lmfao Is that the one in Liberty? |
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Should we send the gunsmith a link to this thread and explain to him how it was his fault for fucking up some of the most basic no-brainers of AR building and perhaps give him a chance to make this right? It might be worth a shot but... I'm betting the "gunsmith" is such a pussy piece of shit that it won't matter... |
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So, this fuck didn't pay for or replace anything? What a loser. Name the shop and the "gunsmith" here and in the hometown forum so nobody else gets fucked over... Quoted:
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I was told it was my fault because the gun I brought him was defective. I know I got screwed over but going against this person in small claims court is not something I care to do. Ive had to buy and replace everyting else myself. So in other words, a new barrel should be the next purchase? So, this fuck didn't pay for or replace anything? What a loser. Name the shop and the "gunsmith" here and in the hometown forum so nobody else gets fucked over... Youre right, I cant let this happen to anyone else. The shop is Black guns in Liberty, Texas |
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do you still have the original (damaged) parts? as stated above, list the shop and the pictures in the hometown forum.. I'd hate to think that this guy is passing himself off as a smith without the ability to remove a flash suppressor without f'ing up an upper, barrel, and barrel extension. im sure he JACKED the gas tube, too, didn't he? No, suprisingly we had removed the hand guard, and loosened the gas block sliding the tube out before this happened. |
| I really appreciate the help. Ive decided just to go ahead and buy a new barrel and the proper tools to do the work myself. I have a vise at home and after watching someone fuck it up so bad I dont trust anyone else. I did however find today after nearly microscopic inspection that one of the main reasons the upper broke when the "hack" was torquing on the flash suppressor, was that someone had tack welded it on. Had a friend with a dremmel tool cut through it and was able to remoe the flash cage. Now, had the ass at the gunshop used what I now know to be the propper tools, none of this would have occurred in the first place. |
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I was told it was my fault because the gun I brought him was defective. Quoted:
I was told it was my fault because the gun I brought him was defective. Quoted:
I did however find today after nearly microscopic inspection that one of the main reasons the upper broke when the "hack" was torqueing on the flash suppressor, was that someone had tack welded it on. Had a friend with a dremel tool cut through it and was able to remove the flash cage. Now, had the ass at the gun shop used what I now know to be the proper tools, none of this would have occurred in the first place. So he claimed your gun was defective because the flash suppressor was welded on. Barrels shorter than 16" must have a welded on flash suppressor to meet the minimum 16" barrel length. You would think a gun smith would have known this, or at least paid for his own hard learned lesson. Making customers pay for the gunsmith's lesson is not good business practices. Especially this day in age with forums like these. Is this them? http://www.bbb.org/southeast-texas/business-reviews/gun-dealers/blackgun-academy-shooter-supply-in-liberty-tx-90004072/ Please excuse the Cheaper than Dirt link but it has some info. http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/FFLDealers/FFLDealerDetails.aspx?sid=64862 Black Gun Academy & Shooters Supply Steven H Johnson 1509 Columbia St Liberty, TX. 77575 I wouldn't want them to fix it any more. I would ask for them to reimburse you the money for the broken parts that you had to replace. |
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So he claimed your gun was defective because the flash suppressor was welded on. Barrels shorter than 16" must have a welded on flash suppressor to meet the minimum 16" barrel length. You would think a gun smith would have known this, or at least paid for his own hard learned lesson. Making customers pay for the gunsmith's lesson is not good business practices. Especially this day in age with forums like these. Is this them? http://www.bbb.org/southeast-texas/business-reviews/gun-dealers/blackgun-academy-shooter-supply-in-liberty-tx-90004072/ Please excuse the Cheaper than Dirt link but it has some info. http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/FFLDealers/FFLDealerDetails.aspx?sid=64862 I wouldn't want them to fix it any more. I would ask for them to reimburse you the money for the broken parts that you had to replace. Quoted:
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I was told it was my fault because the gun I brought him was defective. Quoted:
I did however find today after nearly microscopic inspection that one of the main reasons the upper broke when the "hack" was torqueing on the flash suppressor, was that someone had tack welded it on. Had a friend with a dremel tool cut through it and was able to remove the flash cage. Now, had the ass at the gun shop used what I now know to be the proper tools, none of this would have occurred in the first place. So he claimed your gun was defective because the flash suppressor was welded on. Barrels shorter than 16" must have a welded on flash suppressor to meet the minimum 16" barrel length. You would think a gun smith would have known this, or at least paid for his own hard learned lesson. Making customers pay for the gunsmith's lesson is not good business practices. Especially this day in age with forums like these. Is this them? http://www.bbb.org/southeast-texas/business-reviews/gun-dealers/blackgun-academy-shooter-supply-in-liberty-tx-90004072/ Please excuse the Cheaper than Dirt link but it has some info. http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/FFLDealers/FFLDealerDetails.aspx?sid=64862 I wouldn't want them to fix it any more. I would ask for them to reimburse you the money for the broken parts that you had to replace. yep, thats the guy |
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