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Link Posted: 5/4/2020 7:29:43 PM EDT
[#1]
I’ve been considering buying a Nightforce ATACR 4-16X42 for 1 of my Block ll’s, how do you guys like the MK6 3-18 ?
Link Posted: 5/4/2020 8:18:30 PM EDT
[#2]
Glitch Bump
Link Posted: 5/4/2020 9:43:29 PM EDT
[#3]
Glitch bitch.
Link Posted: 5/5/2020 11:28:46 AM EDT
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Anybody have pics of this rig without the crap photobucket watermarks? I don't know why people still use PB.

Anyways I believe there is one or two more photos of it floating around.

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Link Posted: 5/5/2020 12:58:48 PM EDT
[#5]
@Stukas_87
I bet he has one.  I think it was his weapon.
Link Posted: 5/5/2020 1:08:55 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By GHOS7:
Anybody have pics of this rig without the crap photobucket watermarks? I don't know why people still use PB.

Anyways I believe there is one or two more photos of it floating around.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/443802/blockIIALG_jpg-1402192.JPG
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Is that a Gunfighter stock (BCM)?
Link Posted: 5/5/2020 1:56:44 PM EDT
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LWRC compact stock
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Link Posted: 5/5/2020 2:29:06 PM EDT
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Got it. Thanks.

May have to try one....
Link Posted: 5/5/2020 5:04:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By imdBman:
@Stukas_87
I bet he has one.  I think it was his weapon.
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That was fast! Thank you guys, much appreciated.
Link Posted: 5/5/2020 6:30:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By imdBman:
@Stukas_87
I bet he has one.  I think it was his weapon.
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Plural?
@Stuka_87
Link Posted: 5/5/2020 6:35:57 PM EDT
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I think I might be crazy.

I'm considering chopping .750" off the front of a RIS II so I can install a 12.5" barrel. Poor man's GL/SSC, kind of like the Poor Man's MK18 RIS II FSP. I've never seen this done.

Two things holding me back.

1. Chopping a $450 rail. Definitely won't be worth that much after.

2. Structural integrity after losing the loop at the front of the rail. I do have an M203 and want it to be durable with it mounted and dismounted.

Here's where I'd chop. I already made sure it isn't going through anything critical and would look decent.
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Link Posted: 5/5/2020 6:50:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Badger52:
Plural?
@Stuka_87
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Originally Posted By Badger52:
Originally Posted By imdBman:
@Stukas_87
I bet he has one.  I think it was his weapon.
Plural?
@Stuka_87

Yes, plural.
Link Posted: 5/5/2020 6:56:16 PM EDT
[#13]
I think if you have an M203, I wish I was your neighbor.

I have a tendency to use bipods as fore grips and drive them into barricades for support pretty hard. I would be concerned about the structural integrity of the bottom of the DD rail after cutting off the front connector, especially after seeing some of the earlier issues with the DD rail. Caveated that have no basis for my opinion.
Link Posted: 5/5/2020 7:01:13 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By McCarron:
I think if you have an M203, I wish I was your neighbor. 

I have a tendency to use bipods as fore grips and drive them into barricades for support pretty hard. I would be concerned about the structural integrity of the bottom of the DD rail after cutting off the front connector, especially after seeing some of the earlier issues with the DD rail. Caveated that have no basis for my opinion.
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The front screw and where the bottom rail touches the top rail would be intact.
Link Posted: 5/5/2020 8:56:09 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971:

Yes, plural.
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Ok, self-administered head-slap. Thanks.
Link Posted: 5/5/2020 8:58:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By imdBman:
@Stukas_87
I bet he has one.  I think it was his weapon.
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Not his. That one belongs to member @Nikiel09
Link Posted: 5/5/2020 9:06:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By pezboytate:
I think I might be crazy. 

I'm considering chopping .750" off the front of a RIS II so I can install a 12.5" barrel. Poor man's GL/SSC, kind of like the Poor Man's MK18 RIS II FSP. I've never seen this done. 

Two things holding me back.

1. Chopping a $450 rail. Definitely won't be worth that much after. 

2. Structural integrity after losing the loop at the front of the rail. I do have an M203 and want it to be durable with it mounted and dismounted. 

Here's where I'd chop. I already made sure it isn't going through anything critical and would look decent. 
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138579/DSC_0037_JPG-1402858.JPG

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I think you should do it.
Link Posted: 5/5/2020 9:08:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By pezboytate:
I think I might be crazy. 

I'm considering chopping .750" off the front of a RIS II so I can install a 12.5" barrel. Poor man's GL/SSC, kind of like the Poor Man's MK18 RIS II FSP. I've never seen this done. 

Two things holding me back.

1. Chopping a $450 rail. Definitely won't be worth that much after. 

2. Structural integrity after losing the loop at the front of the rail. I do have an M203 and want it to be durable with it mounted and dismounted. 

Here's where I'd chop. I already made sure it isn't going through anything critical and would look decent. 
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138579/DSC_0037_JPG-1402858.JPG

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If I were you, I'd chop a barrel so its flush instead of chopping the rail.
Link Posted: 5/5/2020 9:46:18 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By allensaldi:


If I were you, I'd chop a barrel so its flush instead of chopping the rail. 
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Originally Posted By allensaldi:
Originally Posted By pezboytate:
I think I might be crazy. 

I'm considering chopping .750" off the front of a RIS II so I can install a 12.5" barrel. Poor man's GL/SSC, kind of like the Poor Man's MK18 RIS II FSP. I've never seen this done. 

Two things holding me back.

1. Chopping a $450 rail. Definitely won't be worth that much after. 

2. Structural integrity after losing the loop at the front of the rail. I do have an M203 and want it to be durable with it mounted and dismounted. 

Here's where I'd chop. I already made sure it isn't going through anything critical and would look decent. 
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138579/DSC_0037_JPG-1402858.JPG

What do you guys think?


If I were you, I'd chop a barrel so its flush instead of chopping the rail. 


Done it already.
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Originally Posted By pezboytate:


Done it already. 
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Done the barrel chop or you committed and chopped the rail? lol
Link Posted: 5/5/2020 9:54:41 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By allensaldi:


Done the barrel chop or you committed and chopped the rail? lol
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Originally Posted By allensaldi:
Originally Posted By pezboytate:


Done it already. 


Done the barrel chop or you committed and chopped the rail? lol


I did a couple 13.4" builds flush with the end of the rail.
Link Posted: 5/6/2020 12:08:54 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Badger52:
Plural?
@Stuka_87
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Originally Posted By Badger52:
Originally Posted By imdBman:
@Stukas_87
I bet he has one.  I think it was his weapon.
Plural?
@Stuka_87

We messed that up. It is plural but no underscore.
@Stukas87
Link Posted: 5/6/2020 12:39:58 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By pezboytate:


I did a couple 13.4" builds flush with the end of the rail.
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Any chance you have a picture of that with a surefire can attached?
Link Posted: 5/6/2020 9:08:05 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By m1afan1000:

Any chance you have a picture of that with a surefire can attached?
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Originally Posted By m1afan1000:
Originally Posted By pezboytate:


I did a couple 13.4" builds flush with the end of the rail.

Any chance you have a picture of that with a surefire can attached?



Here's one I just saw in a thread I posted a while ago.

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Here's a photoshop for you.

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Link Posted: 5/6/2020 11:11:53 PM EDT
[#25]
Hey can someone tell me if the kac buttstock qd adapter for the gen 1 sopmod stock is anti rotational
Or if it spins 360?
Link Posted: 5/6/2020 11:54:25 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Wichert187:
Hey can someone tell me if the kac buttstock qd adapter for the gen 1 sopmod stock is anti rotational 
Or if it spins 360?
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It is not anti rotational.  However, with a SOPMOD stock the cheek weld area is wide enough that it physically prevents the QD swivel from rotating completely around.
Link Posted: 5/6/2020 11:58:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:


SOCOM uses primarily the M4A1 lower.  These were issued as basic carbines back in the mid 90s and then issued out SOPMOD Block 1 items, later Block II and URGI.  The Army still tracks them as M4A1 carbines and units are supposed to keep standard handguards, barrels, etc to return to mother Army as she issued it.  NSW may line out M4A1 and restamp as Mk18 Mod 0 or Mk18 Mod 1. So, yes you can say they are "Frankenguns" as upper is rebuilt to current configuration and uses the same lower.

CD


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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Originally Posted By GHPorter:
CD, I have a question on the subject of "correct" lowers.  

I'm certain that Big Army and Navy have their own processes, and that SOCOM, SEALs and other organizations have their own, but it's my understanding that as far as these "Bigs" are concerned, as long as the lower is accounted for, they don't officially give a hill of beans what name is engraved on any particular lower.

Anyway, I've gotten from your posts that in your experience, you generally see this or that type of lower with this or that configuration - like the early SOCOM guns being M4A1s from the 90s, NSW guns having particular lowers, and so on.

Am I correct in my thought that what actual units are issuing and actual troops are using may vary substantially from "what was originally fielded" with various units/organizations/etc.?  Essentially, would it be true that "frankenguns" are in the field, with X lower, Y upper, Z muzzle device, and ABC furniture?  And maybe there are quite a lot of "frankenguns" in some organizations, versus more rank-and-file units having more consistent configurations?


SOCOM uses primarily the M4A1 lower.  These were issued as basic carbines back in the mid 90s and then issued out SOPMOD Block 1 items, later Block II and URGI.  The Army still tracks them as M4A1 carbines and units are supposed to keep standard handguards, barrels, etc to return to mother Army as she issued it.  NSW may line out M4A1 and restamp as Mk18 Mod 0 or Mk18 Mod 1. So, yes you can say they are "Frankenguns" as upper is rebuilt to current configuration and uses the same lower.

CD



In the regular Army quite a few are remarked M4A1 as well, here is what they look like(80% lower of mine).




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[#28]
FAIR price on secondary market for a lightly used SF4P? Asking prices are fuckey.  
Link Posted: 5/7/2020 9:37:32 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By FREEFALLE7:

In the regular Army quite a few are remarked M4A1 as well, here is what they look like(80% lower of mine).

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/E03137A8-7DB2-4120-AD29-1CF6AD6FBB6F-1110709.jpg


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Like that...been considering that as well.
Link Posted: 5/7/2020 9:45:07 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By FREEFALLE7:

In the regular Army quite a few are remarked M4A1 as well, here is what they look like(80% lower of mine).

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/E03137A8-7DB2-4120-AD29-1CF6AD6FBB6F-1110709.jpg


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Originally Posted By FREEFALLE7:
Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Originally Posted By GHPorter:
CD, I have a question on the subject of "correct" lowers.  

I'm certain that Big Army and Navy have their own processes, and that SOCOM, SEALs and other organizations have their own, but it's my understanding that as far as these "Bigs" are concerned, as long as the lower is accounted for, they don't officially give a hill of beans what name is engraved on any particular lower.

Anyway, I've gotten from your posts that in your experience, you generally see this or that type of lower with this or that configuration - like the early SOCOM guns being M4A1s from the 90s, NSW guns having particular lowers, and so on.

Am I correct in my thought that what actual units are issuing and actual troops are using may vary substantially from "what was originally fielded" with various units/organizations/etc.?  Essentially, would it be true that "frankenguns" are in the field, with X lower, Y upper, Z muzzle device, and ABC furniture?  And maybe there are quite a lot of "frankenguns" in some organizations, versus more rank-and-file units having more consistent configurations?


SOCOM uses primarily the M4A1 lower.  These were issued as basic carbines back in the mid 90s and then issued out SOPMOD Block 1 items, later Block II and URGI.  The Army still tracks them as M4A1 carbines and units are supposed to keep standard handguards, barrels, etc to return to mother Army as she issued it.  NSW may line out M4A1 and restamp as Mk18 Mod 0 or Mk18 Mod 1. So, yes you can say they are "Frankenguns" as upper is rebuilt to current configuration and uses the same lower.

CD



In the regular Army quite a few are remarked M4A1 as well, here is what they look like(80% lower of mine).

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/E03137A8-7DB2-4120-AD29-1CF6AD6FBB6F-1110709.jpg




There wouldn't be a Block II URG on one of those lowers.
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Originally Posted By FREEFALLE7:

In the regular Army quite a few are remarked M4A1 as well, here is what they look like(80% lower of mine).

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/E03137A8-7DB2-4120-AD29-1CF6AD6FBB6F-1110709.jpg


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Where did you get the engraving done?
It looks great.
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Is there anywhere to buy just the short safety arm for a Colt/FN ambi safety? Just need the short nub arms.

Won an auction lot of spare parts, mostly retro stuff, and it came with some Ambi safeties but they're all double long arm. S marked investment cast.
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Originally Posted By chunkyhenry:
Is there anywhere to buy just the short safety arm for a Colt/FN ambi safety? Just need the short nub arms. 

Won an auction lot of spare parts, mostly retro stuff, and it came with some Ambi safeties but they're all double long arm. S marked investment cast.
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Not the same.

Short lever will not fit.

Different beast altogether...
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Not the same.

Short lever will not fit.

Different beast altogether...
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So would a S marked Long lever ambi be clone correct?
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So would a S marked Long lever ambi be clone correct?
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Not on issued rigs so my guess is no.


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Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971:

Not on issued rigs so my guess is no.


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So just the colt Ambi with the short lever and the KAC?
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Originally Posted By allensaldi:


So just the colt Ambi with the short lever and the KAC?
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Originally Posted By allensaldi:
Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971:

Not on issued rigs so my guess is no.




So just the colt Ambi with the short lever and the KAC?


IIRC, you have to buy the full auto safety and grind off the nub if you want a true clone correct semi one.
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Originally Posted By pezboytate:


IIRC, you have to buy the full auto safety and grind off the nub if you want a true clone correct semi one.
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Originally Posted By pezboytate:
Originally Posted By allensaldi:
Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971:

Not on issued rigs so my guess is no.




So just the colt Ambi with the short lever and the KAC?


IIRC, you have to buy the full auto safety and grind off the nub if you want a true clone correct semi one.

Externally how do they differ from the Colt SA ambi?
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Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971:

Externally how do they differ from the Colt SA ambi?
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Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971:
Originally Posted By pezboytate:
Originally Posted By allensaldi:
Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971:

Not on issued rigs so my guess is no.




So just the colt Ambi with the short lever and the KAC?


IIRC, you have to buy the full auto safety and grind off the nub if you want a true clone correct semi one.

Externally how do they differ from the Colt SA ambi?


Semi:

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Auto:

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Originally Posted By pezboytate:
Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971:
Originally Posted By pezboytate:
Originally Posted By allensaldi:
Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971:

Not on issued rigs so my guess is no.




So just the colt Ambi with the short lever and the KAC?


IIRC, you have to buy the full auto safety and grind off the nub if you want a true clone correct semi one.

Externally how do they differ from the Colt SA ambi?


Semi:

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138579/_20200507_144002_JPG-1405460.JPG

Auto:

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138579/_20200507_143527_JPG-1405449.JPG
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138579/_20200507_143540_JPG-1405450.JPG

Thanks.
Link Posted: 5/8/2020 12:21:55 AM EDT
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Is anyone aware of any good ways to paint a black socom can? I don’t care if it wears or gets scratched or
What not I just would prefer fde but I have black can on it’s way currently.
Link Posted: 5/8/2020 12:37:17 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971:

Not the same.

Short lever will not fit.

Different beast altogether...
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Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971:
Originally Posted By chunkyhenry:
Is there anywhere to buy just the short safety arm for a Colt/FN ambi safety? Just need the short nub arms. 

Won an auction lot of spare parts, mostly retro stuff, and it came with some Ambi safeties but they're all double long arm. S marked investment cast.

Not the same.

Short lever will not fit.

Different beast altogether...
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Good info, thank you, what makes you say the short arm won't fit? The interfacing "ridge" and face of it on the Brownell's listing look identical to my long arm.
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Originally Posted By chunkyhenry:


Good info, thank you, what makes you say the short arm won't fit? The interfacing "ridge" and face of it on the Brownell's listing look identical to my long arm.
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Originally Posted By chunkyhenry:
Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971:
Originally Posted By chunkyhenry:
Is there anywhere to buy just the short safety arm for a Colt/FN ambi safety? Just need the short nub arms. 

Won an auction lot of spare parts, mostly retro stuff, and it came with some Ambi safeties but they're all double long arm. S marked investment cast.

Not the same.

Short lever will not fit.

Different beast altogether...
.https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/416992/Screenshot_20200502-213355_Gallery_jpg-1-1405291.JPG

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Good info, thank you, what makes you say the short arm won't fit? The interfacing "ridge" and face of it on the Brownell's listing look identical to my long arm.

Correct, the lugs will not interface with the recesses in the selector barrel/body.

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Old pic...
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I need another lower. I tried to get the PSD lower, but sadly missed it. So now I’m looking at either the PSA M4A1 lower or Aero M4A1 lower. Looking for feedback on which I should go with. Or any other suggestions if possible
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I need another lower. I tried to get the PSD lower, but sadly missed it. So now I’m looking at either the PSA M4A1 lower or Aero M4A1 lower. Looking for feedback on which I should go with. Or any other suggestions if possible
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The psa markings are closer.
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PSA markings are closer, have 2 of them for mk M4 and MK18 builds.




Just painted the lower.

Been eyeballing an ATPIAL too. Some one stop me, I don't even have a use for one!



And the inspiration for my rifle.



Link Posted: 5/12/2020 4:07:56 AM EDT
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CD, how often do you find yourself changing extractors and extractor springs? What do you think of colt extractors?

Also, love your youtube clips!
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Originally Posted By leerx:
CD, how often do you find yourself changing extractors and extractor springs? What do you think of colt extractors?

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The same rate of ejector springs and pins, Never.  No issues with Colt extractors.  When I rebarrel I generally replace the complete bolt, gas tube and gas block also.  (Preventive maintenance)

CD
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The same rate of ejector springs and pins, Never.  No issues with Colt extractors.  When I rebarrel I generally replace the complete bolt, gas tube and gas block also.  (Preventive maintenance)

CD
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