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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - ROCK RIVER PROBLEMS (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 9/3/2009 2:08:32 AM EDT
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I have a Rock River AR-15 with no problems.
Anybody have a nightmare story to share? Bad barrel, crap BCG, sights that fall off, trigger that just sucks, here is your chance to tell the world! If you do have issues, please post round count on your weapon!!! |
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My Rock River Varmit rifle runs like a top. Smoothest cycling rifle of the bunch. IMO, AR guns have been around 40+ years and most of the bugs have been fixed years ago. Use quality parts and the platform performs as engineered. Sure you can get the odd gun with a minor problem, but you have a warranty to get it fixed for free. |
| I have a RRA Entry Tactical, Heavily Magpul'd, about a thousand rounds through it, ammo- XM193, PMC, Georgia Arms, and Winchester, not a Hicup, I call this one my "KISS" rifle, CTR stock, MOE grip, MOE handgaurd, MBUS & Eotech 516, Fine Rifle and would recomend buying one. |
| only problem i ever had was with the buffer assembly in my entry tac, the roll pin that holds the back cap on worked itself out and was sticking out to the point where it was snagging on the buffer spring. It did not cause the gun to malfunction but might have it I had let it go unnoticed. |
My best friend's father has a complete RRA rifle we need a mallet to open and close. 
After that the silly fucker bought a RRA pistol upper. Works great, and by great I mean every few rounds the BCG is locked up so tight I bruised the fuck out of the palm of my hand trying to beat the carrier back out with the charging handle. This started happening after only about 40 rounds or so. We bought a chamber brush at the range, scrubbed it with some oil and it ran fine for another 10 rounds before locking up and pissing me off again. We tried putting my 6920 BCG in for a couple rounds and were met with the same fate. Obviously the chamber is out of spec.
RRA = shit. |
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My best friend's father has a complete RRA rifle we need a mallet to open and close.
After that the silly fucker bought a RRA pistol upper. Works great, and by great I mean every few rounds the BCG is locked up so tight I bruised the fuck out of the palm of my hand trying to beat the carrier back out with the charging handle. This started happening after only about 40 rounds or so. We bought a chamber brush at the range, scrubbed it with some oil and it ran fine for another 10 rounds before locking up and pissing me off again. We tried putting my 6920 BCG in for a couple rounds and were met with the same fate. Obviously the chamber is out of spec.
RRA = shit. Surprising. I think you are the only person that has every experienced anything like that with RRA. |
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Wow! That has to be a fluke in the milling process and a build defect to boot. I would contact RRA immediately so they can warranty the item.
I have an Entry Tactical with 1000+ rounds thru it easy. Not one hiccup and will shoot very consistently if I do my job. |
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My best friend's father has a complete RRA rifle we need a mallet to open and close.
After that the silly fucker bought a RRA pistol upper. Works great, and by great I mean every few rounds the BCG is locked up so tight I bruised the fuck out of the palm of my hand trying to beat the carrier back out with the charging handle. This started happening after only about 40 rounds or so. We bought a chamber brush at the range, scrubbed it with some oil and it ran fine for another 10 rounds before locking up and pissing me off again. We tried putting my 6920 BCG in for a couple rounds and were met with the same fate. Obviously the chamber is out of spec.
RRA = shit. Surprising. I think you are the only person that has every experienced anything like that with RRA.  Riiiiiiiight.
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Why would you want to start a thread asking for problems? Because RRA's of late production are plagued with problems. Most of their lowers are out of spec. MANY of their 2 stage trigger kits also have something wrong with them. They're drilled crooked or something. Many LPK's are without a spring or detent here and there. They're really slipping as they're rushing to fill backorders. |
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My best friend's father has a complete RRA rifle we need a mallet to open and close.
After that the silly fucker bought a RRA pistol upper. Works great, and by great I mean every few rounds the BCG is locked up so tight I bruised the fuck out of the palm of my hand trying to beat the carrier back out with the charging handle. This started happening after only about 40 rounds or so. We bought a chamber brush at the range, scrubbed it with some oil and it ran fine for another 10 rounds before locking up and pissing me off again. We tried putting my 6920 BCG in for a couple rounds and were met with the same fate. Obviously the chamber is out of spec.
RRA = shit. Surprising. I think you are the only person that has every experienced anything like that with RRA.
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Quoted: only problem i ever had was with the buffer assembly in my entry tac, the roll pin that holds the back cap on worked itself out and was sticking out to the point where it was snagging on the buffer spring. It did not cause the gun to malfunction but might have it I had let it go unnoticed. I had this same problem...other than that, my RRA is a great carbine! |
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Oh, did I mention the build I did with my best friend using a RRA LPK?
We assembled the lower and I put it down on his coffee table. The table is no more than 2 feet off the frigging floor, a floor covered with thick, soft carpet might I add. Anyway, somehow he managed to knock the lower off the frigging coffee table on to the floor and the bolt catch snapped in half.
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Only issue I have ever had with a RRA rifle was with a 9mm carbine. It broke the bolt catch on the first mag I fired through it. Sitll fired but no bolt hold open. I replaced it three more times before determining that it needed a spacer in the reciever extension to keep the momentum down on the bolt. Eventually I sold it as I never had full confidence in it after that.
Other than that the other RRA rifles and uppers and lowers I have/had all run 100% and are GTG. |
| I have a RRA CAR Elite w/ at least 1000 rounds thru it and the only problem I have had is from using cheap ammo. The primer popped out the back of the casing and jammed the gun up. After hammering on the charging handle I was able to get the carrier back far enough to eject the casing then I had to take the buffer tube off and hammer the carrier back into to the reciever the primer finally dislodged itself. The gun has worked fine ever since and it took quite a beating when I was working on it. Still shoots 1" groups at 100 yards. I bought mine before everything went on back order though. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Why would you want to start a thread asking for problems? Because RRA's of late production are plagued with problems. Most of their lowers are out of spec. MANY of their 2 stage trigger kits also have something wrong with them. They're drilled crooked or something. Many LPK's are without a spring or detent here and there. They're really slipping as they're rushing to fill backorders. Rock River don't make their upper and lower receivers. CMT forges them for Rock River and some other high dollar lowers. FWIK, CMT makes their parts kits also. Sure the lowers are spec different, but there just ain't a difference in metalurgy with lowers made by CMT . The Rock River two stage trigger were the answer a few years ago. They sold a ton of them because they are a good trigger and priced right.
CMT = Stag, RRA, High Standard, Noveske, (new) Century, Global Tactical, CLE, S&W(older rifles), MGI |
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I bought a new RRA Elite A4 a few years ago.
My friend bought a brand new Stag at the same time. I'm a former Marine and consider myself a good shot. Our first day at the range with our new guns and his groups were WAY tighter than mine; AT 50YDS! After a thorough inspection, I discovered that my barrel was loose! The turnaround time was short and I got back the tight shooting rifle that I had come to expect from RRA. I've got no beef with RRA. Everyone can make a lemon, their response to such lemon is how I judge them. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another RRA product. |
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Why would you want to start a thread asking for problems? Because RRA's of late production are plagued with problems. Most of their lowers are out of spec. MANY of their 2 stage trigger kits also have something wrong with them. They're drilled crooked or something. Many LPK's are without a spring or detent here and there. They're really slipping as they're rushing to fill backorders. Rock River don't make their upper and lower receivers. CMT forges them for Rock River and some other high dollar lowers. FWIK, CMT makes their parts kits also. Sure the lowers are spec different, but there just ain't a difference in metalurgy with lowers made by CMT . The Rock River two stage trigger were the answer a few years ago. They sold a ton of them because they are a good trigger and priced right.
CMT = Stag, RRA, High Standard, Noveske, (new) Century, Global Tactical, CLE, S&W(older rifles), MGI
If I have chronic problems or I see/saw chronic problems with mine or my friends RRAs then I'd be unimpressed. But I don't. |
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Why would you want to start a thread asking for problems? Because RRA's of late production are plagued with problems. Most of their lowers are out of spec. MANY of their 2 stage trigger kits also have something wrong with them. They're drilled crooked or something. Many LPK's are without a spring or detent here and there. They're really slipping as they're rushing to fill backorders. Rock River don't make their upper and lower receivers. CMT forges them for Rock River and some other high dollar lowers. FWIK, CMT makes their parts kits also. Sure the lowers are spec different, but there just ain't a difference in metalurgy with lowers made by CMT . The Rock River two stage trigger were the answer a few years ago. They sold a ton of them because they are a good trigger and priced right.
CMT = Stag, RRA, High Standard, Noveske, (new) Century, Global Tactical, CLE, S&W(older rifles), MGI
I see you post this stuff a lot. Sometimes it gets outdated real quick. "Brands" (for lack of a better word) can source parts from multiple vendors depending on a lot of factors. CMT cranks out a lot of stuff for a lot of brands but that doesn't mean that one brand always sources their stuff from CMT. Also CMT isn't a forge, it's a machine shop. Cardinal and Cerro are forges. |
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I don't think CMT supplies RRA LPK's. I have see A LOT (hundreds) of both kits and they have different components. The RRA's have been consistent (same subcontractor...Square S markings) whereas the CMT's have had different ones. I've also noticed slightly different springs and detents in the CMT kits. Plus their selectors are different. RRA's have a notch marker and the CMT's have a pointed marker.
I generally use only RRA's LPK's and those have been fantastic. I have never had any RRA LPK component break and this includes recently shipped stuff. I HAVE had people bring me "RRA" LPK's that weren't actually RRA LPK's or were "partially" RRA kits so YMMV depending on who your source is. I get mine directly from RRA or from Legal Transfers. RRA's 2-stage triggers (at least the ones I've had) sucked for reliability. Great price and INITIALLY they work great but when you put then to task (like in a carbine course), they shit the bed nearly every time. I don't normally run these in a "combat" carbine but I did it to see if they were reliable...I think the problem is that they're not hardened (or hardened properly/enough) and that's why they suck for hard use. I guess if you shoot slow fire, 200 rounds/year, this may be a good trigger . For a 2-stage, non-adjustable match trigger, I would 100% recommend the Geiselle SSA's instead...those have been SOLID.
As far as the rest, personally, I would buy a better quality upper from the likes of Colt or BCM. I would also stick with Colt BCG's. There are tons of lowers I would use rather than a RRA one (I don't like how they make the rear pockets smaller than normal...I think they do this to so that the upper and lower fit is stupid tight which is completely unnecessary)...basically, I just use their LPK's. I do have a complete RRA 9mm AR and that one (along with others I've worked on) had MAJOR problems with ejection. Turns out that RRA's doesn't correctly profile the ejectors so the angle is all wrong. I had to re-profile all the ejectors (similar to re-profiling a ejector on a extended 1911 ejector) to get them to eject correctly...now they run great. |
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So you started a thread to justify your purchase?
No. I've had very good luck with their products, as with other brands of AR-15s. However, I'm not the whole market and I'd like to find out if anyone in Internet land has had problems with RRA products. Seems like the up to this post, RRA makes a good gun as the complaints are on the few side. 
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Why would you want to start a thread asking for problems? I would like to see if RRA makes a good product. I think they do.....This thread will confirm my opinions. So you started a thread to justify your purchase? Future tense Past tense
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Why would you want to start a thread asking for problems? I would like to see if RRA makes a good product. I think they do.....This thread will confirm my opinions. So you started a thread to justify your purchase? Future tense Past tense You must not pay attention to tech threads very often.
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Why would you want to start a thread asking for problems? Because RRA's of late production are plagued with problems. Most of their lowers are out of spec. MANY of their 2 stage trigger kits also have something wrong with them. They're drilled crooked or something. Many LPK's are without a spring or detent here and there. They're really slipping as they're rushing to fill backorders. Rock River don't make their upper and lower receivers. CMT forges them for Rock River and some other high dollar lowers. FWIK, CMT makes their parts kits also. Sure the lowers are spec different, but there just ain't a difference in metalurgy with lowers made by CMT . The Rock River two stage trigger were the answer a few years ago. They sold a ton of them because they are a good trigger and priced right.
CMT = Stag, RRA, High Standard, Noveske, (new) Century, Global Tactical, CLE, S&W(older rifles), MGI
Yes I think we all get that they aren't actually producing the raw forgings. But RRA IS finishing and milling and drilling them, just like everyone else out there who manufactures lowers. And RRA is doing so very poorly. There's simply no arguing around their poor craftsmanship of late. |
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Why would you want to start a thread asking for problems? Because RRA's of late production are plagued with problems. Most of their lowers are out of spec. MANY of their 2 stage trigger kits also have something wrong with them. They're drilled crooked or something. Many LPK's are without a spring or detent here and there. They're really slipping as they're rushing to fill backorders. Rock River don't make their upper and lower receivers. CMT forges them for Rock River and some other high dollar lowers. FWIK, CMT makes their parts kits also. Sure the lowers are spec different, but there just ain't a difference in metalurgy with lowers made by CMT . The Rock River two stage trigger were the answer a few years ago. They sold a ton of them because they are a good trigger and priced right.
CMT = Stag, RRA, High Standard, Noveske, (new) Century, Global Tactical, CLE, S&W(older rifles), MGI
If I have chronic problems or I see/saw chronic problems with mine or my friends RRAs then I'd be unimpressed. But I don't. Again, of late production. They're simply turning out a lot of problems lately, and I've seen it firsthand multiple times. This isn't something I'm just parroting off of somewhere else, this is firsthand experience. |
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Why would you want to start a thread asking for problems? I would like to see if RRA makes a good product. I think they do.....This thread will confirm my opinions. So you started a thread to justify your purchase? Future tense Past tense You must not pay attention to tech threads very often. You must not pay attention to tech .....what?
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This sort of thread is absolutely useless without round counts (preferably documented/logged) from each poster. I could own an RRA and say that I love it and it shoots great because I put 1 20rd box of PMC through it after I bought it, but I don't shoot it any more, I just stare at it lovingly...
I would be very surprised if more than a handful of people in this thread had more than 500-1000 rounds through their rifles. I'd also like to know firing schedules - I had a S&W that went 1500 rounds without choking, until I took it to a carbine class. Quoted:
Rock River don't make their upper and lower receivers. CMT forges them for Rock River and some other high dollar lowers. FWIK, CMT makes their parts kits also. Sure the lowers are spec different, but there just ain't a difference in metalurgy with lowers made by CMT . The Rock River two stage trigger were the answer a few years ago. They sold a ton of them because they are a good trigger and priced right.
CMT = Stag, RRA, High Standard, Noveske, (new) Century, Global Tactical, CLE, S&W(older rifles), MGI
Dude, CMT is not a forge. Lower receivers are finish machined by the actual manufacturer in many cases (unless the manufacturer is very small or just starting up). I see Primos beat me to it... |
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Why would you want to start a thread asking for problems? I would like to see if RRA makes a good product. I think they do.....This thread will confirm my opinions. So you started a thread to justify your purchase? Future tense Past tense You must not pay attention to tech threads very often. You must not pay attention to tech .....what?
If you did you would know how many threads start out as "Hey guys what do you think about ..." only to turn into the OP cursing everyone out because we give honest answers and it turns out he already bought it and defends his purchase.
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Why would you want to start a thread asking for problems? I would like to see if RRA makes a good product. I think they do.....This thread will confirm my opinions. So you started a thread to justify your purchase? Future tense Past tense The guy's name is RRA223 and he also states "I think they do." So run along with your " " comment and your semantics. I didn't make any disparaging remarks about RRA products either so I don't see what the point to your post was.
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In the past three days, I've run into problems with another set (two different rifles) with 2-stage Rock River triggers. One was incredibly gritty in the first stage, and was tougher to release than they normally (or should) be, the other simply wouldn't fire. Again, holes are drilled crooked or something.
Both rifles were builds, and the 2 stage was from RRA's kit. No rounds through either rifle. |
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Bought an A4 carbine 2 years ago. Round count to date approx 6k. Used Fed xm193, Guat m193, Walmart valupaks, Winchester factory reloads and
handloads. Did have one round of the factory reloads ftf. Other than that, no problems so far. Have built two using RRA receivers and had to send one lower back for tight mag well. Seems they had a batch last year or so where the mag well was mismatched when pinned onto an upper. They quickly replaced it, absolutely no additional cost to me and shipped to my door like it should be, not like some that insist the replacement should go through a ffl. Overall I have no complaints. |
| I currently own 3 complete Rock Rivers (two in 5.56, one 9mm), one partial (SPR built on RRA lower), and have owned at least three others with ZERO problems and over 2k rounds fired. One of the most accurate AR's I have ever owned was a 16" heavy barrel Rock River that would group sub .75" all day long, and would do .5" occasionally. |
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I've owned Rock River rifles since 2001. No problems at all. +1 Never had a problem with mine either. They are accurate and the barrels are indexed properly. I restaked the gas keys and thats about it. As far as two stage triggers , I have two with about 500 rds through one and about 2000 rounds through the other - so far no problems. I use their lowers and LPKs for my builds. Think their LPK's are among the best. |
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