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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - ROCK RIVER PROBLEMS (Page 2 of 2)
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I have an Entry Tactical that was made in late 08, early 09. It has performed without issue. But I am not emotionally attached to physical objects. If it malfunctions as a result of poor craftsmanship, continues to do so or exhibits other problems/poor behavior I will shit-can it without looking back. Not to mention that I will come back to this thread and post my experience. Followed by a purchase of BCM, LMT, Noveske or whatever.
As of now, no problems. Just enjoyment. |
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My RRA has been flawless, I have about 2k rounds through it. It shoots a very tight group and seems to average about 1 MOA at 100 with iron sights. The occasional flier that is called by this shooter but hey I cannot blame the rifle for that! I have been getting allot of RRA into work as of lately, I have noticed that the upper and lower gaps are a little larger than I am use to seeing and the fit has loosened up on a couple of the rifles but nothing that would affect the function. I was going to get another RRA but got a deal on a JSE built upper so I went that route.
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My RRA has been flawless, I have about 2k rounds through it. It shoots a very tight group and seems to average about 1 MOA at 100 with iron sights. The occasional flier that is called by this shooter but hey I cannot blame the rifle for that! I have been getting allot of RRA into work as of lately, I have noticed that the upper and lower gaps are a little larger than I am use to seeing and the fit has loosened up on a couple of the rifles but nothing that would affect the function. I was going to get another RRA but got a deal on a JSE built upper so I went that route. ETA: My rifle was built late 05 1MOA with what ammunition? How many shots in the group? |
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My RRA has been flawless, I have about 2k rounds through it. It shoots a very tight group and seems to average about 1 MOA at 100 with iron sights. The occasional flier that is called by this shooter but hey I cannot blame the rifle for that! I have been getting allot of RRA into work as of lately, I have noticed that the upper and lower gaps are a little larger than I am use to seeing and the fit has loosened up on a couple of the rifles but nothing that would affect the function. I was going to get another RRA but got a deal on a JSE built upper so I went that route. ETA: My rifle was built late 05 1MOA with what ammunition? How many shots in the group? I mostly use PPU m193 and LC M193 The last time I had it out I was shooting 10 shot groups in prone an 100. I was almost tempted to break out a scope and lock it down in a bench rest and see what I could get out of it, but hell and about 1 MOA with a 16 inch barrel I cannot complain. Interesting thing is the JSE surplus shoots as good or better than my RRA upper, but that also has a free float rail, SS national match 1/8 wilson barrel. I am happy with both of them. |
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My RRA has been flawless, I have about 2k rounds through it. It shoots a very tight group and seems to average about 1 MOA at 100 with iron sights. The occasional flier that is called by this shooter but hey I cannot blame the rifle for that! I have been getting allot of RRA into work as of lately, I have noticed that the upper and lower gaps are a little larger than I am use to seeing and the fit has loosened up on a couple of the rifles but nothing that would affect the function. I was going to get another RRA but got a deal on a JSE built upper so I went that route. ETA: My rifle was built late 05 1MOA with what ammunition? How many shots in the group? I mostly use PPU m193 and LC M193 The last time I had it out I was shooting 10 shot groups in prone an 100. I was almost tempted to break out a scope and lock it down in a bench rest and see what I could get out of it, but hell and about 1 MOA with a 16 inch barrel I cannot complain. Interesting thing is the JSE surplus shoots as good or better than my RRA upper, but that also has a free float rail, SS national match 1/8 wilson barrel. I am happy with both of them. 1 MOA with Irons and M193  I can barely keep that stuff inside 2" at 100 yds. with a 10X scope.
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Yes I have done it on several occasions, when I have been trying for grouping.
ETA: Ok it is just a matter of time before someone pops in and raises a BS flag on me for this post. The rifle is capable of doing it as long as the shooter is, and that is not always the case. I will post a picture of a 50 yard rapid fire target as soon as I grab the camera out of the car. It is not a 1moa target but I was putting rounds down range quickly and I was very impressed. 
This was at 50 yards rapid fire, Primary arms fakepoint, a combo of LC, PPU 193 and Rem 223. The LC had various head stamps 82-86. I dont think it is too bad. |
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Are they still using a dremmel tool to cut some of the most horrendus abortions masquerading as feed ramps I have ever seen, into their upper receivers? 
You mean THAT old urban myth is still going around? Gimme a break. . . Yea, that seems like it was originally intended as a joke. Doesn't even seem plausible. |
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I have two LAR-15's. Both been flawless. In the rain, sun dust snow. 3000 between the two of them. One is now a light barreled gun and the other is a PWS piston gun.
I will buy RRA again. OK  Now I actualy read the thread of haters I'll post more later.
Ok sorry had stuff to do. As I said I have 2 RRA. Bought one going on 3 years ago got the other one 2 years ago. I have run both in old fashion gun shoots and in general rifle/pistol shoots. The only issues I have had was a couple of stuck cases with wolf in one of the guns I honsestly do not remember wich one of the two it was. I give those failers to wolf and lack of cleaning; both stuck cases happened after a day of shooting and me leaving the round in the gun for a while. Round counts is 2000 +- 150 for the older gun, 500 or so thru it as a piston gun. The other has 1000 +- 200, 60 sence it's barrel got turned down by ADCO. Now I DID swap the factory bolts for BCM MP tested bolts from Bravo Co when the guns were new. I don't claim 1" at 1000000 yards or any of that crud, but both guns I would trust my life with and both were my Go To Guns. Now however I own a Colt and a Noveskie, one of the RRA's is still a go to gun the other is for sale. Now I won't go into the teathing issues I had ith my Colt when it was new...... RRA, 10 shot Irons XM193: 
RRA w/ PWS piston: 
I will look at buying a RRA's gun in the future, will I? Don't know but I will look at them. |
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Are they still using a dremmel tool to cut some of the most horrendus abortions masquerading as feed ramps I have ever seen, into their upper receivers?
You mean THAT old urban myth is still going around? Gimme a break. . . What's so funny about it? It's true. |
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Are they still using a dremmel tool to cut some of the most horrendus abortions masquerading as feed ramps I have ever seen, into their upper receivers?
You mean THAT old urban myth is still going around? Gimme a break. . . What's so funny about it? It's true. You're going to play hell convincing me some dude sits there with a friggin dremel tool laboriously hand-cutting each feed ramp when it can be doe with a CNC milling machine in about 10 seconds. Here's mine - pretty good dremeling, I'd say: 
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Are they still using a dremmel tool to cut some of the most horrendus abortions masquerading as feed ramps I have ever seen, into their upper receivers?
You mean THAT old urban myth is still going around? Gimme a break. . . What's so funny about it? It's true. You're going to play hell convincing me some dude sits there with a friggin dremel tool laboriously hand-cutting each feed ramp when it can be doe with a CNC milling machine in about 10 seconds. Here's mine - pretty good dremeling, I'd say: http://www.mrossnet.com/RRA_5.jpg . . I have seen first hand some shitty examples. My friend's dad's rifle and my friend's pistol uppers have ugly ass ramps. There were pictures floating around here showing horrible examples a year or two ago. It's no big secret, you could call RRA and ask... Just because you don't want to believe it, doesn't mean it isn't true. CNC machined? 
It's called a die grinder, and it's nothing more than a dremel that runs on compressed air.
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You're going to play hell convincing me some dude sits there with a friggin dremel tool laboriously hand-cutting each feed ramp when it can be doe with a CNC milling machine in about 10 seconds. Here's mine - pretty good dremeling, I'd say: http://www.mrossnet.com/RRA_5.jpg . . It does appear that the cuts in your upper were made with a Dremel or similar cutting tool. |
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Looks perfectly blended to me. I don't see what would be considered bad about that?
I have looked at the feed ramps on about 20 RRAs in the last 2 years or so..... that is how they looked. Never had a malf with any of mine except due to C Products magazines that were welded together with the mag halves too far apart. |
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The method isn't important - what is important is that the factory anodizing and surface hardening of the barrel extension is broken - thus creating a junk part IMO. |
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Why would you want to start a thread asking for problems? this is a loose loose thread. some will say theirs runs like a top but will not post the guns round count of 60. other rra haters will show up just to talk trash about there friends rra gun. so their friends gun ftf three years ago but it will get posted to make themselves feel better about their own blackthorn. i will play along though. my rra varmint has never had a single issue........... with 220 rounds down it. my new m4gery gets shot more now. |
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The method isn't important - what is important is that the factory anodizing and surface hardening of the barrel extension is broken - thus creating a junk part IMO. What type of surface hardening operation is normally applied to a finished barrel extension? Does RRA actually remove enough metal from the barrel extension to be worth worrying about, or do they just blend the receiver to match previously made extension cut outs? Has there ever been an instance of undue wear on a RRA barrel extension or receiver due to this method reported here? I been around for several years and can't recall ever seeing one. |
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The method isn't important - what is important is that the factory anodizing and surface hardening of the barrel extension is broken - thus creating a junk part IMO. What type of surface hardening operation is normally applied to a finished barrel extension? Does RRA actually remove enough metal from the barrel extension to be worth worrying about, or do they just blend the receiver to match previously made extension cut outs? Has there ever been an instance of undue wear on a RRA barrel extension or receiver due to this method reported here? I been around for several years and can't recall ever seeing one. There is not a thing wrong with the blending they do with the extension to lower reciever.Its well documented that that is just one of RRA little tricks they do to eliminate the slight step between barrel extension and lower reciever to ensure proper functioning of a wide assortments of various ammo.If you never clean your gun it might lead to some corrosion then in 50 years.If you do maintenance and clean your weapon properly its a non issue.Yeah this thread is getting loose.Bash RRA quarterly or something.I really like my two RRA rifles. 
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The first AR I ever bought was my RRA Entry Tactical which i purchased right after the ban expired. I still have it and the round count is right near 8,000 without any problems. This gun has been run hard too, me and my friends used to split quarter and half cases of ammo and go blasting with it but I cant afford to dump that many rounds anymore. This gun has also seen lots of Wolf, Barnaul, M193 and it still holds MOA easily. I recently Gun koted it flat dark earth because the finish was quite worn in certain areas. I love my RRA.
The only problem i have ever had was when the two stage trigger went single stage on me but RRA fixed it very rapidly. |
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The method isn't important - what is important is that the factory anodizing and surface hardening of the barrel extension is broken - thus creating a junk part IMO. What type of surface hardening operation is normally applied to a finished barrel extension? Does RRA actually remove enough metal from the barrel extension to be worth worrying about, or do they just blend the receiver to match previously made extension cut outs? Has there ever been an instance of undue wear on a RRA barrel extension or receiver due to this method reported here? I been around for several years and can't recall ever seeing one. There is not a thing wrong with the blending they do with the extension to lower reciever.Its well documented that that is just one of RRA little tricks they do to eliminate the slight step between barrel extension and lower reciever to ensure proper functioning of a wide assortments of various ammo.If you never clean your gun it might lead to some corrosion then in 50 years.If you do maintenance and clean your weapon properly its a non issue.Yeah this thread is getting loose.Bash RRA quarterly or something.I really like my two RRA rifles.
Nothing wrong at all... except it removes the hard anodizing and exposes bare, soft aluminum. Perfect for hollow point bullets or the edge of case necks to batter and potentially cause a problem. |
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I've had several RRAs and the only problem I've had was the bolt on a mid length. At the range after firing 20 or so rounds it locked up and I had to force the bolt/carrier out by banging the stock on the bench while pulling the charging handle. Then had to force the bolt out of the carrier. I found that the gas rings had come out of the groove and were flattened between the bolt and carrier. I replaced the gas rings and it did it again. Luckily I had a spare bolt with me.
Sent it to RRA and they sent me a new bolt/carrier assembly. |
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I wish I had all the problems I had with my RRAs (zero), with other rifles too. I own three already, and an NM CMP A4 is showing up from the brown truck on Wed 
Yep, got my new one today. The usual boring spotless RRA build. No play whatsoever, and very nice finish. |
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