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Posted: 3/31/2006 7:27:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/31/2006 8:39:21 PM EDT by roboman]
Nevermind. Mods, please kill this thread.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 7:34:18 PM EDT
Edited and added a better title so that people don't think I'm talking about a random dude .
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 7:57:12 PM EDT
Remember it well.

Tough call. Guy had balls I'll say that much for him and I always had a sneaking admiration for the guy. We Americans come from stock that never did like authority much, especially when abused.

Yeah, they were out to execute him I remember that much. I don't remember having any doubt as to the govt's intent and it came as no surprise when they did so. There are those who work in our Federal Gov't who are nothing but thugs and hired killers, operating with impunity under the very nose of those who are sworn to protect us and our rights. Figuring out who the true enemy is, is not easy sometimes.

This happened under Reagan also, a fact which is notable, and IIRC Reagan wanted him pretty bad.
Ruby Ridge happened under Bush I. One almost has to wonder what they told about these cases as after spending 4 years in theMarines it became evident that plenty in the gov't blow nothing but smoke up each other's asses trying to manipulate the system or just plain cover their own GD asses.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:01:54 PM EDT
"Synagogue of Satan under the 2nd plank of the Communist Manifesto"?



Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:05:12 PM EDT
Damn, its like assweb in here this week
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:07:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/31/2006 8:10:05 PM EDT by DjangosMissingFinger]

THE UNCENSORED GORDON KAHL STORY

In 1968, Tax Protestor Gordon Kahl stopped filing IRS 1040 Income Tax Returns. For 9 years thereafter, the IRS ignored him, but in 1977 after Gordon Kahl spoke on an evening radio talk show regarding the illicitness of the income tax, some 250 phone calls would come into the radio station over the next two days; either supporting Kahl in some aspect, or pledging never to file another tax return.

And with that, the IRS came down on Kahl like a ton of bricks. They quickly assembled a case against him and two weeks later threw a criminal prosecution against him for violating Title 26, Section 7203 ["Willful Failure to File"]. Gordon Kahl was a low-income farmer not even meeting minimal statutory standards for threshold income levels achieved before being required to file 1040s, but that was not about to stop the IRS, who is good at changing the facts by creating facts.

Convicted and incarcerated, when out of Leavenworth Federal Penitentiary on parole, Kahl left the Texas judicial district he was confined to by claiming that some aspect of the Restriction Orders was defective. He soon moved to North Dakota -- and there, he met his fate. A criminal Summons issued from a Federal Court in Midland, Texas was served on Gordon Kahl on August 8, 1980, charging him with a misdemeansor. Gordon Kahl responded by informing the Court that he would not be appearing, and the matter was allowed to be deferred until March 31, 1982, when the Justice Department obtained a Federal Arrest Warrant citing his parole violation.

Then, that Warrant was held up again until July 26, 1982, some 16 months later, when it was sent to the U.S. Marshals Office in Fargo, North Dakota on February 13, 1983. The United States Marshals and the Federal Court in Texas knew of his whereabouts in North Dakota at all times. After a two and one half year delay in the case, the fact that there was a "problem" controlling the prosecution of the case is self-evident.

If that chronology had been published in the New York Times in the context of discussing some other unfortunate incidents that had happened, it would be referred to, very defensively of the Government of course, as mere "bureaucratic bungling," in an attempt to discredit the obvious interposition of the "Lateness of the Hour" operating against the Government to bar the legitimacy of their management of the case.

Once again Gordon Kahl had attracted the attention of the United States Government. With the personality known as Ronald Reagan acquiescing indifferently as President, and with William French Smith sitting as Attorney General, the word came down the pipeline to GET RID OF GORDON KAHL, and the stage was set for the kind of confrontation the Feds wanted.

A violent attack was planned against Gordon Kahl at his farmhouse, and it was going to be well publicized. The attack would be in the form of a roadblock, it would be in the evening hours, and it would occur in a remote rural area. The timing of the attack in February of 1983 was selected to coincide with the trials of other related criminal prosecutions then going on that would be favorably tipped towards the Government, as the Juries were exposed to what would be surfacing visibly on the news as the Gordon Kahl "incident."

From his farm in Heaton, North Dakota, both Gordon Kahl, along with his neighbors, and the Chief of Police of Medina, North Dakota, Darrell Graff, all had received several advanced notices that the United States Marshals were planning a very unpleasant reception for Gordon Kahl, and in the case of Darrell Graff, he was told bluntly to stay out of it.

Rather than meet his adversaries face-to-face to settle the grievance at that lower level, Gordon Kahl improvidently ignored the gathering storm and tossed aside the Warrant, thus giving his adversaries the benefit of intensifying the impending confrontation into an elevated status -- a level that originates out of the barrel of a gun, where the Feds were quite likely to prevail. Although that did not give the United States Marshals the right to come out first and shoot Kahl, it does however require that other people in difficult positions with juristic authorities facing contemplated extermination itself, should not replicate Gordon Kahl's modus operandi.

On the 14th of February, 1983, Gordon Kahl, accompanied by his wife and son Yori, left a meeting in a Medina, North Dakota commercial district and headed home. Gordon Kahl was under surveillance and he knew it. He could have been picked up at the meeting, but the Feds had a surprise for him and wanted the remoteness of a rural environment. His son Yori detected something adverse and dangerous in the air, and so he took his father's jacket and cap and wore those on himself on the ride home that afternoon.

Not far from his farmhouse a roadblock had been set up by U.S. Marshal Kenneth Muir. It was a very unusual roadblock in that it had an ambulance and firetruck waiting there. Yes, there was going to be some trouble. The Marshal had not come to arrest, but to murder. Bringing neither the Arrest Warrant, nor any identification, Deputy Muir brought his gun and orders to terminate Gordon Kahl.

Arriving at the roadblock, Gordon's son, Yori Kahl, fled the pickup truck and ran to a nearby telephone pole for cover. Thinking that Yori was his dad Gordon, Marshal Muir opened the shooting by firing several shots at Yori.

Yori did not fall to the ground quick enough to satisfy the killer Marshal, so Marshal Muir kept on shooting until Yori fell. After spending a while at the hospital, Yori Kahl would actually survive to be charged with murder, and later convicted by a jury in a Star Chamber that was highly pressured by the U.S. Marshals and had numerous other fatal irregularities that would never survive reversal on appeal.

Back at the evening roadblock, after seeing his own son cut down by Marshal Muir, Gordon Kahl grabbed a gun and let Marshal Muir have it, killing him and Deputy Marshal Robert Chesire. Injured was Deputy Marshal James Hopson.

Staying in the background, looking at all of this shooting and profanity being thrown about, was Chief Darrell Graff of the Medina Police Department, who was told in advance that Kahl was going to buy the farm, and that he was to stay out of it. Gordon went over to the telephone pole, dragged his son Yori, white with blood loss and bleeding profusely, over to an unmarked police car, drove him to a hospital back in Medina, and then as a thick fog quickly settled in on the Fargo countryside, Gordon Kahl sped away into the night.

Soon, a swarm of military stormtroopers descended on Fargo, in military clothing and using military trucks [see Time Magazine ["Dakota Dragnet"], page 25 (February 28, 1983)]. They were on search and destroy orders. Gordon Kahl was immediately placed on the FBI's ten most wanted list, and was the subject of the most intensive fugitive search in the history of the FBI. It was a massive operation.

A tight clampdown was put out in North Dakota, accompanied with extensive random stops of motor vehicles, but nothing ever turned up. For Gordon Kahl, thousands of armed forces were called into search the surrounding North Dakota countryside. Every available private bounty hunter known to the FBI was hired and put on the case, but fugitive Gordon Kahl slipped through it all.

In comparison to what they can do when they feel like it, it is worthwhile noting how J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI never showed any such interest in capturing unknown fleeing killers when President Kennedy was shot in Dallas.

No roadblocks, no dragnets, no manhunts, no searching -- nothing but CIA agents carrying Secret Service credentials restraining people from approaching the grassy knoll for about 10 minutes.

For the next three months, Gordon Kahl had found a home with some friends, Mr. and Mrs. Ginter, and a Mr. Russell, who kept moving him quietly from house to house. It was rather obvious to anyone that if he was ever found, he would be killed immediately.

In time, Mr. Russell's daughter, Karen Russell Robertson, noticed that her father was hiding Gordon Kahl. Possessed with First Person evidence ["I saw...," "I heard..."], she in turn went to the FBI and spilled the beans. She was given $25,000 and the promise of immunity from prosecution [see the New York Times ["Arkansans Guilty in Tax Rebel Case"], page A19 (October 19, 1983)].

The rural house where Gordon Kahl was staying was placed under FBI surveillance; but the results were inconclusive. On the morning of June 4th, a special FBI team of animals and savage killers [which is no exaggeration], known as the FBI SWAT TEAM, left their home base in Washington, D.C. and flew into Lawrence County, Arkansas on a private FBI jet. There, they were met by local FBI agents, other FBI agents, the Arkansas State Police, the Sheriff of Lawrence County, Arkansas, his deputies, and a confluence of United States Marshals assembled from across the country. Several Marshals invited to the Kahl execution operation arrived too late and missed it.

Later in the afternoon, it all began. The quiet, isolated and remote house was cordoned off, roadblocks were set up, and all without Gordon Kahl detecting anything amiss. Soon that afternoon, Mr. Ginter left the house alone and he was stopped down the road. He claimed his wife, Norma Ginter, was in the house alone. Now, the house where Gordon Kahl was living was more closely surrounded, and Sheriff Gene Matthews went to the front door to remove Mrs. Ginter from the scene.

With her out of the way, the FBI started open shooting, and saturated the house with bullets; but the earth shelter house was made with concrete walls and Gordon Kahl survived through it all without a scratch. The 36 year old local Sheriff, Gene Matthews, was killed incidental to the FBI siege on the Gordon Kahl hideout.

After a while, as the firing stopped, the FBI cordoned off the house for themselves while the Delta Force animals converged on the house like starved panthers going for a piece of meat. They found Gordon Kahl alive and well inside the home, hiding behind the refrigerator. He was taken to the living room, thrown on the floor, and was worked over with the butt end of their rifles. While numerous bones were being fractured and his teeth were being smashed in, other members of Delta Force went on a rampage in the house, smashing pictures and the television set, over-turning furniture, a copier, and taking a fireman's axe and chopping up a bookshelf.

While Gordon Kahl was pinned to the floor by the 6 to 8 Delta Force panthers, still under attack from the gun butts, the FBI agent with the fireman's axe turned to Gordon Kahl himself and chopped off his hand. Then he went around and chopped off Gordon Kahl's other hand, and then both of his feet were severed. While screaming with pain and with blood gushing out profusely over the floor where his hands and feet used to be, Gordon Kahl was shot in the head at close range, killing him.


A local Deputy Sheriff was given the honor of removing the bullet from Gordon Kahl's head [later that week, the deputy would tell a neighbor that he had not eaten in three days]. When local people viewed Gordon Kahl's dismembered body, they became nauseous and sick, stating that the man they just hacked apart was not Gordon Kahl, but Mr. William Wade, who was the owner of the land and resembled Gordon Kahl closely in age and appearance, and was well known to the Sheriff and others personally.

There was confusion; immediately there was trouble. A massive series of roadblocks were erected again, and the thorough searching of all automobiles over a wide radius was started; it was believed that Gordon Kahl had slipped out once again.

Local residents monitoring the operation on the police radio band heard a call made for some gasoline to be delivered to the house. Now that the murder of Gordon Kahl had been botched, the Feds were going to cover their own tracks and torch the place. The Delta Force animals left the place with extensive blood stains covering their clothes and took the private FBI jet back to Washington.

The roadblocks were called off when Mr. Wade, the owner of the land, showed up in town alive and well. The body of Sheriff Matthews was taken to a local hospital, while later in the evening after the fire the Feds had set had died down, the charred body of Gordon Kahl was taken to the local coroner.

The dismembered body was later identified as being that of Gordon Kahl. But the bodies and the house were only lightly charred, since the house was fabricated from cast concrete walls and the fire never got that intense. The corpse identified as being Gordon Kahl's was missing teeth, hands, and feet, had a bullet hole in the head (without a bullet), and was extensively covered with tissue bruises and fractured bones. It was very shocking and disgusting, as people who saw photographs of Gordon Kahl's charred remains, taken by the coroner, reported a stark and terrified look on his charred face; he had died in extreme terror, screaming violently from the pain. They had gotten their man.

The man who was Director of the FBI at the time that this murder operation was being performed, was William Webster. He personally supervised it. And when you get to know William Webster very well, you will become acquainted with a great murderer.

Gordon Kahl was later buried with military honors -- whatever that meant.

His wife back in North Dakota received several mean and ugly death threats from the Feds to keep quite or be murdered herself. Meanwhile, the rest of the country went on like Alice strolling through Wonderland; believing that all was well and that the Federal Government is your trusted friend, and that some little Tax Protestor over there got what he deserved.

Back in Arkansas, while shifting through the smoldering ruins in the kitchen, a reporter for the New York Times accompanied by Ray Wade, the land owner's son, found Gordon Kahl's left foot that had been severed off by the axe.

It was taken to the local coroner Dr. Fahmy Malak in Little Rock, confirmed as being Gordon Kahl's sliced off foot. However, this was news not fit to emphasize, and the reporter's story was blurred over when printed [see New York Times ["Gunfight Shatters Tranquility of Arkansas Hills"], page 14 (July 3, 1983)].

Mr. and Mrs. Ginter, who had been harboring Gordon Kahl, were charged not only with aiding and abetting a fugitive, but also were fraudulently charged with the murder of Sheriff Matthews. At Trial, the only evidence introduced against them, outside of the background story, was first person evidence from Art Russell's daughter, Karen Russell Robertson, who reported to the Jury what she had seen her father do. And with that eyewitness evidence, the Ginters and Art Russell were convicted and sentenced to protracted incarceration in a Federal Penitentiary [see New York Times ["Arkansans Guilty in Tax Rebel Case"], page A19 (October 19, 1983)].

In conclusion, note that a large volume of the continuous reporting that the New York Times and Time Magazine did on the story from February through October, was based, as usual, on the mere replication of whatever the FBI and wire services had told them, as the Government Billboards that they are -- and so their reporting is highly edited, inaccurate, and distorted news. Be advised that there are numerous inconsistencies in those articles between what they have reported [as the Feds are quite good at changing the facts], and what is reported herein. Until their own reporter J.C. Barden actually went to the torched house to dig at facts for himself on the case, some of the real facts never surfaced, and his reported factual details considerably change the character and color of the savage FBI animal attack on Gordon Kahl.

Incidentally, Mr. Ray Wade, who found Gordon Kahl's foot, was also threatened with being killed himself if he did not remain silent, as were other local residents who also saw different aspects of the bloody reign of FBI terror that went on during that fateful day -- as the FBI once again allowed itself to be defiled by acting ministerially, without and wanting jurisdiction, on behalf of those presiding in Washington who had handed down the extermination orders.

Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:09:15 PM EDT
Seems like a real space cadet.

Probably didn't deserve to die, though.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:10:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/31/2006 8:36:28 PM EDT by Arkansas_Rocketman]
Don't forget the part about the Feds burning down his house to cover up the evidence that Sheriff Gene Matthews was actually shot by friendly fire. Kinda smells like Waco, doesn't it?

Sheriff Matthews and his family were friends of my Mother and Father. He was a great man and was trying to peacefully end the standoff when some fed shot him in the back. Then, of course, they tried to pin Sheriff Matthews shooting on Gordon Kahl.

Sheriff Matthews carried a .41 magnum which I always thought was very cool and "Clint Eastwood-Like".
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:11:15 PM EDT
Pretty big deal around here, i live 30 miles from the shootout location. Gives you chills to stand in the spot where it happened.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:11:48 PM EDT
I guess Americans and shootouts with G-men go back as far as our countries history.
Some people are just willing to take their beliefs to the next level.
Even if it means a firefight and bleeding out in the street.
Was he singled out by the feds for muder ?
Who knows.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:12:07 PM EDT
i found this about gordon kahl



Gordon Kahl was right
When he made his famous stand
Heaven knows there was a man
Who fought the righteous fight
Till the wrong arm of the law
Gunned him down in Arkansas
He would not pay one dime
Of tribute to the IRS
And for his disobedience
They fanned his fiery death

And now all is fair in love and war
Christian blood has been shed before
And though these tents of flesh may fail
The gates of hell shall never prevail
Because He gave his life for me
I shall not fear adversity
And we shall all meet at heavens door
`Cause all is fair in love
In love and war

Five forty-five p.m.
On a North Dakota road
February eighty-three
That's when the war began Where two Federal Marshals died, for the sake of tyranny
They both would underestimate the courage of one man
Who only shot in self-defense to save his promised land

Because all is fair in love and war
Christian blood has been shed before
And though these tents of flesh may fail
The gates of hell shall never prevail
Because He gave his life for me
I shall not fear adversity
And we shall all meet at heavens door
`Cause all is fair in love
In love and war

When all was said and done
And the verdict's handed down
Someone had to take the fall
And it was Gordon's son
Who was wounded in the fray
Please won't you pray for Yorie Kahl
Who now must waste his life away
Inside some stinking jail
Please pray the Lord might set him free
Through faith we shall prevail

They say all is fair in love and war
Christian blood has been shed before
And though these tents of flesh may fail
The gates of hell shall never prevail
Because He gave his life for me
I shall not fear adversity
And we shall all meet at heavens door
`Cause all is fair in love
In love and war

In love and war


Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:13:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DjangosMissingFinger:
While Gordon Kahl was pinned to the floor by the 6 to 8 Delta Force panthers, still under attack from the gun butts, the FBI agent with the fireman's axe turned to Gordon Kahl himself and chopped off his hand.



Well, that doesn't smack of total bullshit.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:14:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tomislav:
"Synagogue of Satan under the 2nd plank of the Communist Manifesto"?

img331.imageshack.us/img331/8007/theoptimist7mx.jpg





The optimist!!! HA!
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:14:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tomislav:

Originally Posted By DjangosMissingFinger:
While Gordon Kahl was pinned to the floor by the 6 to 8 Delta Force panthers, still under attack from the gun butts, the FBI agent with the fireman's axe turned to Gordon Kahl himself and chopped off his hand.



Well, that doesn't smack of total bullshit.



Why?
Because the Feds would never do something like that?
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:15:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tomislav:

Originally Posted By DjangosMissingFinger:
While Gordon Kahl was pinned to the floor by the 6 to 8 Delta Force panthers, still under attack from the gun butts, the FBI agent with the fireman's axe turned to Gordon Kahl himself and chopped off his hand.



Well, that doesn't smack of total bullshit.



But its being posted in GD, so it must be true. Damn dirty Delta animals
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:17:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/31/2006 8:17:35 PM EDT by Tomislav]

Originally Posted By DjangosMissingFinger:

Originally Posted By Tomislav:

Originally Posted By DjangosMissingFinger:
While Gordon Kahl was pinned to the floor by the 6 to 8 Delta Force panthers, still under attack from the gun butts, the FBI agent with the fireman's axe turned to Gordon Kahl himself and chopped off his hand.



Well, that doesn't smack of total bullshit.



Why?
Because the Feds would never do something like that?



Are you high? Delta Force being sent in to grab some retarded tax dodger? Then cutting off his hands? Goddamn, some people will believe anything that is posted online.

Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:17:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/31/2006 8:18:18 PM EDT by DigDug]
This is really funny:

"drove him to a hospital back in Medina, and then as a thick fog quickly settled in on the Fargo countryside, Gordon Kahl sped away into the night."

Medina isn't even close to Fargo. Whoever wrote the above crap needs to consult a map.

Kahl was a dick.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:18:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/31/2006 8:19:36 PM EDT by roboman]
He obviously was off his rocker, but I don't think he deserved what he got. Tough call though.

I certainly don't believe the whole hand-chopping rifle-butt smashing aspect of the second story though.........
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:19:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR:

Originally Posted By Tomislav:

Originally Posted By DjangosMissingFinger:
While Gordon Kahl was pinned to the floor by the 6 to 8 Delta Force panthers, still under attack from the gun butts, the FBI agent with the fireman's axe turned to Gordon Kahl himself and chopped off his hand.



Well, that doesn't smack of total bullshit.



But its being posted in GD, so it must be true. Damn dirty Delta animals



Check it out! I scored a picture of an authentic Delta Force Hand Removal Device!!!:



Damned dirty panthers!
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:19:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tomislav:

Are you high? Delta Force being sent in to grab some retarded tax dodger? Then cutting off his hands? Goddamn, some people will believe anything that is posted online.



He shot and killed two FBI agents, moron.
Why don't you try actually taking the time to read the damn article before blathering a bunch of apologist bullshit and calling BS.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:20:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DjangosMissingFinger:

Originally Posted By Tomislav:

Are you high? Delta Force being sent in to grab some retarded tax dodger? Then cutting off his hands? Goddamn, some people will believe anything that is posted online.



He shot and killed two FBI agents, moron.
Why don't you try actually taking the time to read the damn article before blathering a bunch of apologist bullshit and calling BS.



Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:21:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/31/2006 8:22:54 PM EDT by HarrySacz]

Originally Posted By DjangosMissingFinger:

Originally Posted By Tomislav:

Are you high? Delta Force being sent in to grab some retarded tax dodger? Then cutting off his hands? Goddamn, some people will believe anything that is posted online.



He shot and killed two FBI agents, moron.
Why don't you try actually taking the time to read the damn article before blathering a bunch of apologist bullshit and calling BS.



He killed two US Marshals and wounded one deputy from what i remember, story seems to have alot of BS.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:23:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/31/2006 8:26:08 PM EDT by DjangosMissingFinger]

Originally Posted By HarrySacz:

He killed two US Marshals and wounded one deputy from what i remember, story seems to have alot of BS.



That was my error.
I said "FBI" when it was really US Marshalls.
As far as the BS, I don't know. I am open to parts of it it being BS (in spite of the fact that it's not shy about naming names of people who are still living), but the people around here who call BS because they just can't believe that our "protectors" would actually do something like that are naive retards, pure and simple.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:23:37 PM EDT
Is that whole story essentially true?
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:26:00 PM EDT
There were a lot of people from several Federal agencies looking for him and they intended to kill him, there was no doubt. I don't remember every detail of it all but I remember enough.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:27:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By captainpooby:
Is that whole story essentially true?



There is a book about it,written by two Medina officers who where there that day, i cant remember the name right now.

www.in-forum.com/specials/gordonkahl/index.cfm?id=27415
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:27:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DjangosMissingFinger:

Originally Posted By Tomislav:

Are you high? Delta Force being sent in to grab some retarded tax dodger? Then cutting off his hands? Goddamn, some people will believe anything that is posted online.



He shot and killed two FBI agents, moron.



No, monkeyboy, he killed two US Marshals.



Why don't you try actually taking the time to read the damn article before blathering a bunch of apologist bullshit and calling BS.




Tell ya what freshmeat, post something worthy of serious consideration, and I will give it serious consideration. Until then, I'll have to count this up with the other space cadet stories that have been making the rounds.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:27:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DjangosMissingFinger:

Originally Posted By Tomislav:

Are you high? Delta Force being sent in to grab some retarded tax dodger? Then cutting off his hands? Goddamn, some people will believe anything that is posted online.



He shot and killed two FBI agents, moron.
Why don't you try actually taking the time to read the damn article before blathering a bunch of apologist bullshit and calling BS.



The tinfoil makes this one angry
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:28:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR:

Originally Posted By Tomislav:

Originally Posted By DjangosMissingFinger:
While Gordon Kahl was pinned to the floor by the 6 to 8 Delta Force panthers, still under attack from the gun butts, the FBI agent with the fireman's axe turned to Gordon Kahl himself and chopped off his hand.



Well, that doesn't smack of total bullshit.



But its being posted in GD, so it must be true. Damn dirty Delta animals




No, it's "Damn dirty Apes!"

Geez, get it straight.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:29:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By captainpooby:
Is that whole story essentially true?



Part's are and parts aren't. Kahl did execute one of the wounded federal marshals. That part isn't made up.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:29:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By drjarhead:

Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR:

Originally Posted By Tomislav:

Originally Posted By DjangosMissingFinger:
While Gordon Kahl was pinned to the floor by the 6 to 8 Delta Force panthers, still under attack from the gun butts, the FBI agent with the fireman's axe turned to Gordon Kahl himself and chopped off his hand.



Well, that doesn't smack of total bullshit.



But its being posted in GD, so it must be true. Damn dirty Delta animals




No, it's "Damn dirty Apes!"

Geez, get it straight.



I was trying to keep the "facts" of the original story in the response. Trust me, the PoA response was already typed and ready to be sent.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:31:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DjangosMissingFinger:

Originally Posted By Tomislav:

Are you high? Delta Force being sent in to grab some retarded tax dodger? Then cutting off his hands? Goddamn, some people will believe anything that is posted online.



He shot and killed two FBI agents, moron.
Why don't you try actually taking the time to read the damn article before blathering a bunch of apologist bullshit and calling BS.



Two points. First, before calling someone a moron you should probably get your facts straight. Kahl killed U.S. Marshal Kenneth Muir and Deputy U.S. Marshal Robert Cheshire.

Second, I knew one of the men who was there that day. The marshals were there to arrest Kahl, not murder him. Kahl executed Bobby Cheshire as he lay on the ground bleeding out. Peddle your bullshit somewhere else pal.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:32:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/31/2006 8:33:19 PM EDT by DjangosMissingFinger]

Originally Posted By Tomislav:


He shot and killed two FBI agents, moron.


No, monkeyboy, he killed two US Marshals.


A fact that your retarded ass was entirely unaware of until I brought it up.

I made a technical error and called US Marshals FBI agents.

You felt the need to comment on the article, thinking it BS because they wouldn't go so far over a "tax protester" (I'm sure all those words were just a bit much for you without pictures interspersed amongst the paragraphs) because you didn't bother to read the article and learn that he had killed two Federal Agents.

That is a joke, and shows that you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Enter the internet, where everyone is allowed to express their opinions, even if they don't know what they're expressing about.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:32:27 PM EDT
Gordon Kahl earned himslef a Silver Star in WWII as a gunner on a B-17. He was a true American Patriot who had some strong beliefs about government involvement in our lives. Like a lot of people in America who have questioned the stauts quo, particularly those who question the income tax, Kahl was targeted for arrest and pursued in a manner that Federal law enforcement knew would be provocative to him. They very much were looking for a fight and he gave them one. They then ran him to ground, corned him in a semi-subterannean "earth home" and lobbed in tear gas. Of course the tear gas grenades, as always, burned extremely hot and set fire to the furnishings of the home and Kahl died of smoke inhalation.


All of the above is fact. Get hip kids.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:32:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DjangosMissingFinger:

Originally Posted By Tomislav:



He shot and killed two FBI agents, moron.


No, monkeyboy, he killed two US Marshals.
A fact that your retarded ass was entirely unaware of until I brought it up.

I made a technical error and called US Marshals FBI agents.

You felt the need to comment on the article, thinking it BS because they wouldn't go so far over a "tax protester" (I'm sure all those words were just a bit much for you without pictures interspersed amongst the paragraphs) because you didn't bother to read the article and learn that he had killed two Federal Agents.

That is a joke, and shows that you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Enter the internet, where everyone is allowed to express their opinions, even if they don't know what they're expressing about.



Methinks you're not going to last too long here, pal.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:32:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR:

The tinfoil makes this one angry



Golly, I wonder what the response from your buddy "Cop1234" will be.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:33:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DigDug:

Originally Posted By captainpooby:
Is that whole story essentially true?



Part's are and parts aren't. Kahl did execute one of the wounded federal marshals. That part isn't made up.



Was his corpse missing hands and feet?
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:34:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Nimrod1193:
Second, I knew one of the men who was there that day. The marshals were there to arrest Kahl, not murder him. Kahl executed Bobby Cheshire as he lay on the ground bleeding out. Peddle your bullshit somewhere else pal.



They very well may have been.
Reading comprehenion would tell you that I never said they weren't.
The actions in question are those that were used to apprehend Kahl after he killed them.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:34:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DjangosMissingFinger:
Enter the internet, where everyone is allowed to express their opinions, even if they don't know what they're expressing about.



You have proven that beyond a reasonable doubt.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:35:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By captainpooby:
Is that whole story essentially true?



There have been a couple books written, one by the two town cops involved, amazingly enough they do a pretty good unbiased investigation and report, Gordon's wife was still doing radio interviews a couple years ago.

Another vet that returned to a communist country instead of the consitutional republic he fought for during the war and was courageous enough to do something about it.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:35:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By roboman:


Methinks you're not going to last too long here, pal.



I'm honored to know what youthinks.
Really, I am.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:35:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DjangosMissingFinger:

Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR:

The tinfoil makes this one angry



Golly, I wonder what the response from your buddy "Cop1234" will be.



I could care less. Doesnt take much to see through the BS being slung in here about one of the founders of Posse Comitatus. Hold him up as a hero if you want to; your choice.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:36:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By captainpooby:

Originally Posted By DigDug:

Originally Posted By captainpooby:
Is that whole story essentially true?



Part's are and parts aren't. Kahl did execute one of the wounded federal marshals. That part isn't made up.



Was his corpse missing hands and feet?



I don't ever recall hearing anything like that when he was killed. Nothing about that made the news at all. He was in a gunfight, and the house he was in burned down.

He was an A number 1 nutjob.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:36:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By STRATIOTES:

Originally Posted By captainpooby:
Is that whole story essentially true?



There have been a couple books written, one by the two town cops involved, amazingly enough they do a pretty good unbiased investigation and report, Gordon's wife was still doing radio interviews a couple years ago.

Another vet that returned to a communist country instead of the consitutional republic he fought for during the war and was courageous enough to do something about it.



I'd really like to see his body disinterred and examined.
It would put this to rest once and for all.
True or false, but final.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:37:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR:
I could care less. Doesnt take much to see through the BS being slung in here about one of the founders of Posse Comitatus. Hold him up as a hero if you want to; your choice.



First, Gordon Kahl. Then, Tupac Shakur. Where will your wanton JBT bloodlust end?
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:37:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/31/2006 8:38:12 PM EDT by DjangosMissingFinger]

Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR:


I could care less. Doesnt take much to see through the BS being slung in here about one of the founders of Posse Comitatus. Hold him up as a hero if you want to; your choice.



I don't hold him up as a Hero. I think he took his beliefs too far and things could have been done a better way.

I am very interested, though, to know if he was killed that way.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:37:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By STRATIOTES:

Originally Posted By captainpooby:
Is that whole story essentially true?



There have been a couple books written, one by the two town cops involved, amazingly enough they do a pretty good unbiased investigation and report, Gordon's wife was still doing radio interviews a couple years ago.

Another vet that returned to a communist country instead of the consitutional republic he fought for during the war and was courageous enough to do something about it.



Kahl was friggin insane dude...
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:38:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tomislav:

Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR:
I could care less. Doesnt take much to see through the BS being slung in here about one of the founders of Posse Comitatus. Hold him up as a hero if you want to; your choice.



First, Gordon Kahl. Then, Tupac Shakur. Where will your wanton JBT bloodlust end?



After I shoot my 3rd Teacup Poodle of the day
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:39:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By captainpooby:

Originally Posted By DigDug:

Originally Posted By captainpooby:
Is that whole story essentially true?



Part's are and parts aren't. Kahl did execute one of the wounded federal marshals. That part isn't made up.



Was his corpse missing hands and feet?



No,the book is IT'S ALL ABOUT THE POWER. Maybe it is still avalible.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:39:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR:

Originally Posted By Tomislav:

Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR:
I could care less. Doesnt take much to see through the BS being slung in here about one of the founders of Posse Comitatus. Hold him up as a hero if you want to; your choice.



First, Gordon Kahl. Then, Tupac Shakur. Where will your wanton JBT bloodlust end?



After I shoot my 3rd Teacup Poodle of the day



It's like 1984 all over again!

Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:42:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DigDug:

Originally Posted By STRATIOTES:

Originally Posted By captainpooby:
Is that whole story essentially true?



There have been a couple books written, one by the two town cops involved, amazingly enough they do a pretty good unbiased investigation and report, Gordon's wife was still doing radio interviews a couple years ago.

Another vet that returned to a communist country instead of the consitutional republic he fought for during the war and was courageous enough to do something about it.



Kahl was friggin insane dude...



Did you know the man?
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