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Posted: 1/31/2006 9:53:14 AM EDT
...Roe v. Wade is overturned or SCOTUS rules that the Second Amendment is an individual right?

Any predictions?

Are these reasonable expectations under the makeup of the court, or are either of these highly unlikely?
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 9:54:43 AM EDT
SCOTUS isn't going to touch a RKBA case anytime soon.

Roe v. Wade won't be overturned in a single decision. It'll be chipped away at for a significant number of years.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 9:54:47 AM EDT
I'd guess about 87 days!
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 9:55:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

...Roe v. Wade is overturned or SCOTUS rules that the Second Amendment is an individual right?

Any predictions?




Won't happen on either.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 9:58:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/31/2006 2:44:18 PM EDT by nightstalker]
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060131/ap_on_re_us/abortion_lawsuits;_ylt=ArRXipPMS7MHdmsqGpQDTNis0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MjBwMWtkBHNlYwM3MTg-

And there was a headline in Yahoo that several states are ready to launch anti-abortion legislation any time.

www.washtimes.com/upi/20060131-090347-1251r.htm

Should be interesting.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 10:05:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

...Roe v. Wade is overturned or SCOTUS rules that the Second Amendment is an individual right?

Any predictions?




Won't happen on either.



That is what I think
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 10:07:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By pyro6988:

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

...Roe v. Wade is overturned or SCOTUS rules that the Second Amendment is an individual right?

Any predictions?




Won't happen on either.



That is what I think



+1
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 10:09:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CFII:

Originally Posted By pyro6988:

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

...Roe v. Wade is overturned or SCOTUS rules that the Second Amendment is an individual right?

Any predictions?




Won't happen on either.



That is what I think



+1



+2
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 10:11:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CFII:

Originally Posted By pyro6988:

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

...Roe v. Wade is overturned or SCOTUS rules that the Second Amendment is an individual right?

Any predictions?




Won't happen on either.



That is what I think



+1

ill see your +1 and raise you +1
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 10:12:23 AM EDT
Don't hold your breath.....
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 10:16:25 AM EDT
The Second Amendment will be confirmed as a individual right by SCOTUS

However that wont change much, since then each state would have to be sued to get them to conform.

Roe Vs Wade will never be touched because its far too popular.

The fact it is not popular on AR15.com does not mean its not valued by the majority of the people in this country.

Gun control is no longer popular, because it has been proven not to work, so people will not go to bat for it.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 10:16:33 AM EDT
Christ on a crutch, I'm tired of hearing about Roe v. Wade.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 10:21:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By go3:
Christ on a crutch, I'm tired of hearing about Roe v. Wade.



Me too - get over it, abortion is legal and its going to stay that way.
Don't like it, then go live in some fundamentalist shithole like Iran.

You are free to hold your religeous beliefs - but NOT to force them on others.
Fucking US Taliban ....

Link Posted: 1/31/2006 10:28:41 AM EDT
There are still more libs on the court.

Don't hold your breath.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 10:31:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PhilipPeake:

Originally Posted By go3:
Christ on a crutch, I'm tired of hearing about Roe v. Wade.



Me too - get over it, abortion is legal and its going to stay that way.
Don't like it, then go live in some fundamentalist shithole like Iran.

You are free to hold your religeous beliefs - but NOT to force them on others.
Fucking US Taliban ....


Abortion being murder has FUCKALL to do with religion. Learn your facts before you spout bullshit.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 10:33:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PhilipPeake:

Originally Posted By go3:
Christ on a crutch, I'm tired of hearing about Roe v. Wade.



Me too - get over it, abortion is legal and its going to stay that way.
Don't like it, then go live in some fundamentalist shithole like Iran.

You are free to hold your religeous beliefs - but NOT to force them on others.
Fucking US Taliban ....




And people call me a DU troll.

Link Posted: 1/31/2006 10:35:45 AM EDT
The definition of murder is a police power. Police powers are inherent in the States, not the Federal Government.

If Roe v Wade is ever overturned, it will be on those grounds. The court will probably rule that a state has the right to pass an abortion ban if it wishes or vice versa.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 10:35:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PhilipPeake:

Originally Posted By go3:
Christ on a crutch, I'm tired of hearing about Roe v. Wade.



Me too - get over it, abortion is legal and its going to stay that way.
Don't like it, then go live in some fundamentalist shithole like Iran.

You are free to hold your religeous beliefs - but NOT to force them on others.
Fucking US Taliban ....




An overturn of Roe v Wade will not mean abortion is then illegal. What it would mean is that it is each State's issue and not a right guaranteed by the USC. Thats the way it SHOULD be.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 10:36:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:
Abortion being murder has FUCKALL to do with religion. Learn your facts before you spout bullshit.



In your opinion, not mine.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 10:36:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PhilipPeake:

Originally Posted By go3:
Christ on a crutch, I'm tired of hearing about Roe v. Wade.



Me too - get over it, abortion is legal and its going to stay that way.
Don't like it, then go live in some fundamentalist shithole like Iran.

You are free to hold your religeous beliefs - but NOT to force them on others.
Fucking US Taliban ....




forget the sarcasm tag, or do you really believe that?
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 10:36:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
Roe Vs Wade will never be touched because its far too popular.


Perhaps you're missing the point of the Supreme Court and its lifetime appointments, ie not to give into what's popular.

My prediction is Roe v Wade will be overturned in 5-10 years and will put the onus of the legality of abortions back where it belongs, the states.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 10:36:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By roboman:
SCOTUS isn't going to touch a RKBA case anytime soon.

Roe v. Wade won't be overturned in a single decision. It'll be chipped away at for a significant number of years.



I keep seeing this here. Someone enlighten me: WHY?

TIA

--VT
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 10:43:28 AM EDT
I don't care about RvW anymore. The constant media yammering about it every time anything involving the SCOTUS comes up has completely deadened me on the issue. They refuse to talk about any of the other important issues that might come up before the court, and I'm sick of it. It can stay for all eternity, or it can be overturned tomorrow. It won't have any impact on my personal life. I just ran out of give-a-shit. Sorry.

The 2nd Amendment does have a decent chance of getting reaffirmed, though. I hope it does. I won't be happy until Wal-Mart is stocking M-249s.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 10:47:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By txinvestigator:

Originally Posted By PhilipPeake:

Originally Posted By go3:
Christ on a crutch, I'm tired of hearing about Roe v. Wade.



Me too - get over it, abortion is legal and its going to stay that way.
Don't like it, then go live in some fundamentalist shithole like Iran.

You are free to hold your religeous beliefs - but NOT to force them on others.
Fucking US Taliban ....




An overturn of Roe v Wade will not mean abortion is then illegal. What it would mean is that it is each State's issue and not a right guaranteed by the USC. Thats the way it SHOULD be.



Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner! Not to mention how dangerous it is to interpret the constitution in any other means than it was written. If the 4th amendment does not say 'right to privacy' there isn't one in the 4th. Therefore any such right could ONLY come from the 9th. That is the whole reason it is in there, they knew by explicitly listing rights that if they forgot any it could be argued that they are therefore not rights, the 9th was put in to cover any implicit rights. It was wrongly decided period, and NEEDS to be fixed.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 10:48:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/31/2006 10:49:43 AM EDT by Admiral_Crunch]

Originally Posted By VT4meGunCtrlisAntiUS:
I keep seeing this here. Someone enlighten me: WHY?



Any decision they make risks upsetting the status quo, and that's what they want to preserve above all else. If they rule against the 2nd in a major way, some governments will start banning guns completely. If they rule a major gun law unconstitutional, then we'll suddenly be back to the days of buying a Thompson at the hardware store for cash with no background check and no paper trail.

Either would thoroughly piss off a LOT of people.

So the only thing we see is rulings based on technicalities and narrow definitions that limit the scope of the decision to that single case only without actually doing anything for anyone else.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 10:51:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Admiral_Crunch:

Originally Posted By VT4meGunCtrlisAntiUS:
I keep seeing this here. Someone enlighten me: WHY?



Any decision they make risks upsetting the status quo, and that's what they want to preserve above all else. If they rule against the 2nd in a major way, some governments will start banning guns completely. If they rule a major gun law unconstitutional, then we'll suddenly be back to the days of buying a Thompson at the hardware store for cash with no background check and no paper trail.

Either would thoroughly piss off a LOT of people.

So the only thing we see is rulings based on technicalities and narrow definitions that limit the scope of the decision to that single case only without actually doing anything for anyone else.




Yup.

Miller (1939) will be the last RTKBA ever.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 10:51:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Admiral_Crunch:

Originally Posted By VT4meGunCtrlisAntiUS:
I keep seeing this here. Someone enlighten me: WHY?



Any decision they make risks upsetting the status quo, and that's what they want to preserve above all else. If they rule against the 2nd in a major way, some governments will start banning guns completely. If they rule a major gun law unconstitutional, then we'll suddenly be back to the days of buying a Thompson at the hardware store for cash with no background check and no paper trail.

Either would thoroughly piss off a LOT of people.

So the only thing we see is rulings based on technicalities and narrow definitions that limit the scope of the decision to that single case only without actually doing anything for anyone else.



Thank you, sir. Very well put, and I understand completely. I have been enlightened.

--VT
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 10:54:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By go3:
Christ on a crutch, I'm tired of hearing about Roe v. Wade.



What he said.

Listening to the zealots gets old.

Link Posted: 1/31/2006 10:59:27 AM EDT
Expect to see nothing concerning those two issues and a lot of expansion of government powers IMO.

Overall I think Alito will be better than the liberals on the court, but I do worry that he will probably support ever-increasing big government.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 11:03:02 AM EDT
Gawd another abortion thread.


Seriously this is too much.

This thread should be about the 2nd, not Baby Killing.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 11:07:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:
There are still more libs on the court.

Don't hold your breath.

A voice of reason.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 1:26:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By VT4meGunCtrlisAntiUS:

Originally Posted By roboman:
SCOTUS isn't going to touch a RKBA case anytime soon.

Roe v. Wade won't be overturned in a single decision. It'll be chipped away at for a significant number of years.



I keep seeing this here. Someone enlighten me: WHY?

TIA

--VT

It's been 75 years since they've touched it, one more conservative justice won't change much.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 1:30:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:

Originally Posted By PhilipPeake:

Originally Posted By go3:
Christ on a crutch, I'm tired of hearing about Roe v. Wade.



Me too - get over it, abortion is legal and its going to stay that way.
Don't like it, then go live in some fundamentalist shithole like Iran.

You are free to hold your religeous beliefs - but NOT to force them on others.
Fucking US Taliban ....


Abortion being murder has FUCKALL to do with religion. Learn your facts before you spout bullshit.



Well, the FACT is that it is not murder. It is a religious matter. That is where the objection to it comes from.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 1:45:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LARRYG:

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:

Originally Posted By PhilipPeake:

Originally Posted By go3:
Christ on a crutch, I'm tired of hearing about Roe v. Wade.



Me too - get over it, abortion is legal and its going to stay that way.
Don't like it, then go live in some fundamentalist shithole like Iran.

You are free to hold your religeous beliefs - but NOT to force them on others.
Fucking US Taliban ....


Abortion being murder has FUCKALL to do with religion. Learn your facts before you spout bullshit.



Well, the FACT is that it is not murder. It is a religious matter. That is where the objection to it comes from.


Actually, for most of us here it has more to do with the FACT the Feds shouldn't be regulating it and it should be left to the states.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 1:56:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dport:

Originally Posted By LARRYG:

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:

Originally Posted By PhilipPeake:

Originally Posted By go3:
Christ on a crutch, I'm tired of hearing about Roe v. Wade.



Me too - get over it, abortion is legal and its going to stay that way.
Don't like it, then go live in some fundamentalist shithole like Iran.

You are free to hold your religeous beliefs - but NOT to force them on others.
Fucking US Taliban ....


Abortion being murder has FUCKALL to do with religion. Learn your facts before you spout bullshit.



Well, the FACT is that it is not murder. It is a religious matter. That is where the objection to it comes from.


Actually, for most of us here it has more to do with the FACT the Feds shouldn't be regulating it and it should be left to the states.



For most, it is a religious issue. For the more informed, it is about it being left to the states.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 2:05:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PhilipPeake:

Originally Posted By go3:
Christ on a crutch, I'm tired of hearing about Roe v. Wade.



Me too - get over it, abortion is legal and its going to stay that way.
Don't like it, then go live in some fundamentalist shithole like Iran.

You are free to hold your religeous beliefs - but NOT to force them on others.
Fucking US Taliban ....




Abortion was a state's right before Roe v Wade. In some states, it was legal, in other not. Learn your history.

Link Posted: 1/31/2006 2:10:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Admiral_Crunch:
I won't be happy until Wal-Mart is stocking M-249s.



Best... line... EVER!
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 2:16:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LARRYG:

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:

Originally Posted By PhilipPeake:

Originally Posted By go3:
Christ on a crutch, I'm tired of hearing about Roe v. Wade.



Me too - get over it, abortion is legal and its going to stay that way.
Don't like it, then go live in some fundamentalist shithole like Iran.

You are free to hold your religeous beliefs - but NOT to force them on others.
Fucking US Taliban ....


Abortion being murder has FUCKALL to do with religion. Learn your facts before you spout bullshit.



Well, the FACT is that it is not murder. It is a religious matter. That is where the objection to it comes from.

Murder=ending of a human life. Killing a fetus is ending a human life. Those are pretty simple facts. You saying it isn't murder is an opinion. Learn what the terms mean that your using. If you did that, you wouldn't have embarassed yourself by opening your mouth in the 4 or 5 threads that you've attempted to debate with me and lost.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 2:17:52 PM EDT
Decisions are made by majority vote.

There are 9 justices on the Supreme Court.

Alito’s appointment now means there are 4 conservative justices.

Do the math!!
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 2:19:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:

Originally Posted By VT4meGunCtrlisAntiUS:

Originally Posted By roboman:
SCOTUS isn't going to touch a RKBA case anytime soon.

Roe v. Wade won't be overturned in a single decision. It'll be chipped away at for a significant number of years.



I keep seeing this here. Someone enlighten me: WHY?

TIA

--VT

It's been 75 years since they've touched it, one more lifetime political hackjustice won't change much.



Fixed it for you.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 2:19:36 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 2:22:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:

Originally Posted By LARRYG:

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:

Originally Posted By PhilipPeake:

Originally Posted By go3:
Christ on a crutch, I'm tired of hearing about Roe v. Wade.



Me too - get over it, abortion is legal and its going to stay that way.
Don't like it, then go live in some fundamentalist shithole like Iran.

You are free to hold your religeous beliefs - but NOT to force them on others.
Fucking US Taliban ....


Abortion being murder has FUCKALL to do with religion. Learn your facts before you spout bullshit.



Well, the FACT is that it is not murder. It is a religious matter. That is where the objection to it comes from.

This has been explained before, but you ignored it.



What has been explained?
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 2:24:58 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 2:26:09 PM EDT
Hell will freeze over before either of those events occur.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 2:41:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/31/2006 2:41:46 PM EDT by LARRYG]

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:

Originally Posted By LARRYG:

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:

Originally Posted By LARRYG:

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:

Originally Posted By PhilipPeake:

Originally Posted By go3:
Christ on a crutch, I'm tired of hearing about Roe v. Wade.



Me too - get over it, abortion is legal and its going to stay that way.
Don't like it, then go live in some fundamentalist shithole like Iran.

You are free to hold your religeous beliefs - but NOT to force them on others.
Fucking US Taliban ....


Abortion being murder has FUCKALL to do with religion. Learn your facts before you spout bullshit.



Well, the FACT is that it is not murder. It is a religious matter. That is where the objection to it comes from.

This has been explained before, but you ignored it.



What has been explained?

Why an objection to abortion doesn't have to be religious.



Read a few posts after that. I did acknowledge in a later post in this thread that it is not ALWAYS a religious matter, but most of the time it is.

In the spirit of your response, I will IGNORE whatever I wish. Just because someone 'splains something does not necessarily make it so.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 2:47:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/31/2006 2:50:49 PM EDT by BangStick1]
Ban Abortion. We need the children to pay the taxes for our Social Security! NOT!!


I doubt they will hear any cases that do either.

1. The Supreme Court has a history of avoiding 2nd Amendment issues.

2. The Supreme Court will not want to contradict any previous rulings that have been standing for some time.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 2:49:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/31/2006 2:53:39 PM EDT by DoubleFeed]
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 3:58:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:

Originally Posted By LARRYG:
In the spirit of your response, I will IGNORE whatever I wish.

I've seen that, time and time again.
ETA - you made me laugh when you called me a religious hypocrite after I mentioned a scientific defintion, and I'm laughing now. You have that effect on me.



When did I call you a religious hypocrite? I generally avoid discussions on religion.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 4:01:19 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 4:01:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dport:
Perhaps you're missing the point of the Supreme Court and its lifetime appointments, ie not to give into what's popular..



When why have they not undone the NFA, even in part?
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 4:03:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:

Originally Posted By LARRYG:

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:

Originally Posted By LARRYG:
In the spirit of your response, I will IGNORE whatever I wish.

I've seen that, time and time again.
ETA - you made me laugh when you called me a religious hypocrite after I mentioned a scientific defintion, and I'm laughing now. You have that effect on me.



When did I call you a religious hypocrite? I generally avoid discussions on religion.

In an abortion thread.



Provide a link.
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