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Posted: 1/18/2006 2:54:17 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 3:00:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/18/2006 3:01:20 PM EDT by Hellhound]
NOOOOOO!!!!!







ETA: Will they put the big ole 'S&W' on the side of the gun??
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 3:09:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Hellhound:
NOOOOOO!!!!!







ETA: Will they put the big ole 'S&W' on the side of the gun??



yes.
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 3:10:55 PM EDT
$1200! What, do they think they are Colt?
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 3:12:39 PM EDT
Why enter a market with so many competitors? They really think a bunch of gay rails and crap on their handguards are going to differentiate them?
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 3:14:06 PM EDT
brings new meaning to the phrase "This property protected by Smith & Wesson"
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 3:15:36 PM EDT
Here we go, complain about manufacturers ignoring gun owners and every time something new is introduced, ARFCOMers crap on them. I'm no fan of S&W but am glad they are creating new products for the gun market.
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 3:21:52 PM EDT
Good - Another S&W product I can avoid buying.
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 3:22:15 PM EDT
1200 to 1700 bucks?

Must be made out of an even newer alloy, unobtanium.
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 3:25:28 PM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 3:25:57 PM EDT

We also believe that our M&P rifle series fills a tremendous gap in the marketplace by delivering high-quality, feature-rich tactical rifles that will be readily available in commercial channels.


Way to go S&W!

Link Posted: 1/18/2006 3:33:44 PM EDT
Company Expands Military & Police Series With Rifles Designed for Law
Enforcement, Military, and Sporting Shooters

SPRINGFIELD, Mass., Jan. 18 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Smith & Wesson
Holding Corporation (Amex: SWB), parent company of Smith & Wesson Corp., the
legendary, 154-year old, global provider of products and services for safety,
security, protection and sport, announced its initial entry into the market
for tactical rifles and will begin shipments in early February of the Smith &
Wesson M&P15 Rifle and the Smith & Wesson M&P15T Rifle. These tactical rifles
are additions to the Company's Military & Police (M&P) series of firearms
specifically engineered to meet the needs of global military and police
personnel, as well as sporting shooters.
Michael F. Golden, Smith & Wesson's President and CEO, said, "We are
entering the $1 billion market for long guns with products that provide the
exceptional functionality and reliability that Smith & Wesson customers have
come to expect. We believe the features of these tactical rifles make them
strong contenders in the military and law enforcement markets. We also
believe that our M&P rifle series fills a tremendous gap in the marketplace by
delivering high-quality, feature-rich tactical rifles that will be readily
available in commercial channels. As a company that stands for safety,
security, protection and sport, the Smith & Wesson brand and reputation have
earned a position for us in that market. The M&P15 rifle series is produced
entirely in the United States under manufacturing alliances with several
American companies."
The M&P rifle series is based upon a combat-proven design and incorporates
a full set of standard features currently unmatched in other AR-15-type
tactical rifles. Both the M&P15 and the M&P15T (with its high-end accessory
package) are rugged, lightweight, semi-automatic rifles. Both are chambered
in 5.56mm NATO ammunition and are built to perform under a diverse range of
conditions. Reliability features of the gas-operated rifles include a
chrome-lined gas key, bolt carrier and barrel. Both the M&P15 and the M&P15T
are designed to accommodate a variety of shooters and shooting positions
through the use of a six-position adjustable stock.
The M&P15 incorporates a traditional AR-15 design featuring a removable
carry-handle and adjustable rear and front post sights, allowing for quick
target acquisition and convenient handling. The black anodized rifle measures
35 inches in length when fully extended and has an unloaded weight of 6.74
pounds.
The M&P15T, with its high-end accessory package, features folding front
and rear battle sights and a four-sided equipment rail system that allows the
addition of accessories, such as lights, laser-aiming devices, and vertical
grips. The rifle measures 35 inches in length when fully extended and has an
unloaded weight of 6.85 pounds.
The M&P15 and M&P15T join a comprehensive family of Smith & Wesson
products designed and manufactured to meet the needs of law enforcement
professionals. Other products include a full-line of Smith & Wesson's
world-renowned revolvers used for primary duty and backup side arms, the
recently announced M&P series of polymer pistols designed specifically for law
enforcement and military use, and a wide range of handcuffs, restraint
products and tactical vision devices.
Both the M&P15 and the M&P15T will be unveiled at SHOT Show 2006, February
9-12 at the Las Vegas, Nevada Convention Center. The Company expects that
editorial coverage in multiple industry publications will occur beginning with
that event. Initial shipments of both rifles are expected to begin concurrent
with SHOT Show and will be distributed initially to law enforcement agencies
for test and evaluation and to the sporting goods distribution channel. The
M&P15 will carry a suggested retail price of $1,200, while the M&P15T will
retail for $1,700.



Hmmmm...
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 3:34:04 PM EDT
Wish it away Son! Wish it away to the cornfield!! You dun good, real good! Now wish it away!
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 3:34:49 PM EDT
too spendy for what it is..
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 3:40:20 PM EDT
Just another company that buys forgings and parts from the manufacturers then puts their name on them and charges an arm and a leg.
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 3:42:11 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 3:43:29 PM EDT
The only thing that would make me buy one is if they made the lowers and uppers out of their Scandium material. I'm thinking a super lightweight carbine without having to resort to polymer receivers.
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 3:49:37 PM EDT
Anymore I roll my own when it comes to AR rifles,would like to have a S&W stamped stripped lower reciever though
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 3:49:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Ghost-Shooter:
The only thing that would make me buy one is if they made the lowers and uppers out of their Scandium material. I'm thinking a super lightweight carbine without having to resort to polymer receivers.



That would be impressive if they can work out the metalurgical issues for the component sizes, although I don't know about the barrels. Are the bbl on the shortie revolvers scandium? I think not, and the barrels on an AR are one of the heaviest parts. However I could be wrong, I don't own a S&W wheelgun.
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 3:52:11 PM EDT
Is the market really this big ? Sounds like easy money for AR manufacturers.

"We are entering the $1 billion market for long guns"
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 3:53:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By azcopwannabee:
Wish it away Son! Wish it away to the cornfield!! You dun good, real good! Now wish it away!



You get much respect for that fine and obscure reference!

As for a S&W AR, I don't see how this is anything but good news.
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 3:55:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By uglygun:
1200 to 1700 bucks?

Must be made out of an even newer alloy, unobtanium.



OK...that's the hardest I've laughed all day!!

HH
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 3:55:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tomislav:

Originally Posted By azcopwannabee:
Wish it away Son! Wish it away to the cornfield!! You dun good, real good! Now wish it away!



You get much respect for that fine and obscure reference!

As for a S&W AR, I don't see how this is anything but good news.


Twilight Zone, can't remeber episode title, but the town is in Ohio, at least it said it was.
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 3:55:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By hkusp:
Is the market really this big ? Sounds like easy money for AR manufacturers.

"We are entering the $1 billion market for long guns"


I think ARFCOM members spent that last year.
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 3:56:05 PM EDT
First 1911s, now ARs.

Hummm, seams like someone has a little Colt envy.
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 3:57:32 PM EDT
The AR is becoming a commodity market and they're betting on brand recognition?
Sure, as long as they have a long and distinguished history with the AR-15.
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 3:57:37 PM EDT
Need mor RRA type competitors, not this, a new flavor of Coolaid company.
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 3:58:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Burkey:

Originally Posted By Tomislav:

Originally Posted By azcopwannabee:
Wish it away Son! Wish it away to the cornfield!! You dun good, real good! Now wish it away!



You get much respect for that fine and obscure reference!

As for a S&W AR, I don't see how this is anything but good news.


Twilight Zone, can't remeber episode title, but the town is in Ohio, at least it said it was.



Yep. The episode was'It's a Good Life.

Link Posted: 1/18/2006 4:01:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:
Just another company that buys forgings and parts from the manufacturers then puts their name on them and charges an arm and a leg.



Like the 1911, I would bet Smith is already making AR parts for someone else. Now they are going to sell some of them under their own name.
They do alot of sub-contracting work.
I don't see what the big deal is.

I wouldn't be suprised if alot of parts on many of our beloved AR's were made by Smith already.
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 4:05:14 PM EDT
I wonder if they'll bring out a Semi-only version of their dearly departed S&W 76?
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 4:06:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By postpostban:

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:
Just another company that buys forgings and parts from the manufacturers then puts their name on them and charges an arm and a leg.



Like the 1911, I would bet Smith is already making AR parts for someone else. Now they are going to sell some of them under their own name.
They do alot of sub-contracting work.
I don't see what the big deal is.

I wouldn't be suprised if alot of parts on many of our beloved AR's were made by Smith already.



Ya, but it doesn't pass the Arfcom Fashion Police test, nevermind that no facts are out about the S&W AR, so it obviously can't be any good.
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 4:07:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tomislav:

Originally Posted By postpostban:

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:
Just another company that buys forgings and parts from the manufacturers then puts their name on them and charges an arm and a leg.



Like the 1911, I would bet Smith is already making AR parts for someone else. Now they are going to sell some of them under their own name.
They do alot of sub-contracting work.
I don't see what the big deal is.

I wouldn't be suprised if alot of parts on many of our beloved AR's were made by Smith already.



Ya, but it doesn't pass the Arfcom Fashion Police test, nevermind that no facts are out about the S&W AR, so it obviously can't be any good.



I think the price of $1200 is a "fact".
That's enough for me.
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 4:16:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SJSAMPLE:

Originally Posted By Tomislav:

Originally Posted By postpostban:

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:
Just another company that buys forgings and parts from the manufacturers then puts their name on them and charges an arm and a leg.



Like the 1911, I would bet Smith is already making AR parts for someone else. Now they are going to sell some of them under their own name.
They do alot of sub-contracting work.
I don't see what the big deal is.

I wouldn't be suprised if alot of parts on many of our beloved AR's were made by Smith already.



Ya, but it doesn't pass the Arfcom Fashion Police test, nevermind that no facts are out about the S&W AR, so it obviously can't be any good.



I think the price of $1200 is a "fact".
That's enough for me.



Don't own a 6920?

Regardless, if it is a quality AR, and it includes a rail system and folding sights (as listed in the article), $1200 isn't all that bad of a price.
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 4:22:39 PM EDT
i dont think $1200 is a terrible price. rumor is flying around that its a CMT parts gun. in that case chrome lined M4 with a quality rail handguard and a detachable handle is pretty reasonable. whats a Colt M4 go for these days? probably close to $1200 without the RAS.
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 4:31:38 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 4:37:52 PM EDT
More guns = brighter future for gun owners.


I don't know about you, but I think that anytime we get a new product or a new manufacturer, it's a good thing. While you may not find them appealing, someone else might. That will lead to more more purchases and more gun owners. It only builds and strengthens the gun community. The stronger our community is, the more chance we have of reversing some of the gun laws in this country.

Who knows, maybe one day we'll get back to glory days of when you could buy full auto guns from the Sears catalog and have them shipped to your door !
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 4:39:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tomislav:

Originally Posted By SJSAMPLE:

Originally Posted By Tomislav:

Originally Posted By postpostban:

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:
Just another company that buys forgings and parts from the manufacturers then puts their name on them and charges an arm and a leg.



Like the 1911, I would bet Smith is already making AR parts for someone else. Now they are going to sell some of them under their own name.
They do alot of sub-contracting work.
I don't see what the big deal is.

I wouldn't be suprised if alot of parts on many of our beloved AR's were made by Smith already.



Ya, but it doesn't pass the Arfcom Fashion Police test, nevermind that no facts are out about the S&W AR, so it obviously can't be any good.



I think the price of $1200 is a "fact".
That's enough for me.



Don't own a 6920?

Regardless, if it is a quality AR, and it includes a rail system and folding sights (as listed in the article), $1200 isn't all that bad of a price.



I think the one with the RAS is $1700, $1200 gets you a stock A2 or A3w/ Det. Carry Handle and thats it.
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 4:42:22 PM EDT
Yet another "me too" product from S&W. I wonder where they'll put the hammer lock?
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 4:46:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LonePathfinder:
I think the one with the RAS is $1700, $1200 gets you a stock A2 or A3w/ Det. Carry Handle and thats it.



That is the MSRP. The MSRP on a SEBR-ish carbine is $1210.00 from Bushmaster, yet look at what they go for here. Ditto the S&W. Street pice and MSRP are two different things.

Link Posted: 1/18/2006 4:48:26 PM EDT
As a side note, I drove by the Smith & Wesson factory today on my way to a job in Springfield.

Very anti-climatic.
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 4:55:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By anachronism:
Yet another "me too" product from S&W. I wonder where they'll put the hammer lock?



Link Posted: 1/18/2006 6:05:00 PM EDT
I'm sure it will have the standard S&W mag-drop safety .... and of course a decocker of some sort. I wonder if they will come in Stainless .... or at the very least a "Lady Smith" version

I wonder what the "S&W Performance Center" will come up with for the new M&P15's
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 6:10:53 PM EDT
hell the more the merrier In my opinion but as said i wonder if it will have a neat lock and magazine safety

Since they are in maine i thought they might be rebadged Bushies
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 6:12:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JETWC:


I wonder what the "S&W Performance Center" will come up with for the new M&P15's



HBAR
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 6:17:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/18/2006 6:17:52 PM EDT by PromptCritical]
Coming soon! The Ruger AR-14! Minute of barn accuracy! Includes sling and one ten round mag (proprietary)!

Link Posted: 1/18/2006 6:25:45 PM EDT
Might be interesting IF THEY LEAVE THE LOCK OFF OF IT, otherwise it's just another waste of space.
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 6:31:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By anachronism:
Yet another "me too" product from S&W. I wonder where they'll put the hammer lock?



Not to mention the magazine disconnect.
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 6:36:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CS223:

Originally Posted By anachronism:
Yet another "me too" product from S&W. I wonder where they'll put the hammer lock?



Not to mention the magazine disconnect.



HAHAHAH (sad though, cause you know its true.)
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 6:39:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PaintItBlack:
Are the bbl on the shortie revolvers scandium?



IIRC (never owned one, read a 'review' of one in "Combat Handgunnery"), most of the barrel (the "outer shroud", if you will) is scandium, but there is a thin tube of metal within the scandium "outer barrel" that actually comprises of the "true" barrel, the part the bullet touches. According to what I've read, this system is less than optimal. Scandium uppers/lowers = cool, scandium barrels = no thanks.

Link Posted: 1/18/2006 6:44:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By OBird:

Originally Posted By PaintItBlack:
Are the bbl on the shortie revolvers scandium?



IIRC (never owned one, read a 'review' of one in "Combat Handgunnery"), most of the barrel (the "outer shroud", if you will) is scandium, but there is a thin tube of metal within the scandium "outer barrel" that actually comprises of the "true" barrel, the part the bullet touches. According to what I've read, this system is less than optimal. Scandium uppers/lowers = cool, scandium barrels = no thanks.




Correct the Scandium barrels are sleeved.
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 6:48:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DvlDog:
rumor is flying around that its a CMT parts gun.



There is more truth to that than you know!
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