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Posted: 1/12/2006 1:19:51 PM EDT

I have a glock 19 that will discharge itself if left in the sun too long. Weird thing, really.

Was at the range and the G19 is loaded and striker is ready to release when the trigger is pulled. However, sitting in the sun for about 30 minutes while I'm sighting in a deer rifle, the thing fires itself while it is lying on its side on a box I use to put my shooting stuff on. The gun fired and started spinning around and fell to the ground. I have no idea why it went off by itself.

Weird... anyone ever hear of this before?

lawdog

Posted: 1/12/2006 1:22:39 PM EDT

[#1]

No. You are saying that somehow all of the internal safeties were defeated by a hot sun, causing the gun to go off? I don't buy it.

Posted: 1/12/2006 1:22:48 PM EDT

[#2]

That would be a new one, left my G19C in a hot truck all day in a Texas sun. Nothing happen

Posted: 1/12/2006 1:24:23 PM EDT

[#3]

WTF, that would suck...

the glocks fatal flaw Sun

I did see a glock melt once, someone even posted a pic

Posted: 1/12/2006 1:24:50 PM EDT

[#4]

Maybe I should leave my AR15 out in the sun for 30 minutes.

Dude, thats the weirdest thing I read here today!

Posted: 1/12/2006 1:25:55 PM EDT

[#5]

What did it sound like?

Posted: 1/12/2006 1:26:35 PM EDT

[#6]

....well if its made of plastic....

Posted: 1/12/2006 1:26:38 PM EDT

[#7]

Tell the truth, you lit the fuse didn't you?

Posted: 1/12/2006 1:28:35 PM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:
Tell the truth, you lit the fuse didn't you?

photos.ar15.com/WS_Content/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?sAccountUnq=1729&iGalleryUnq=419&iImageUnq=42447

If I had a dollar for everytime I saw that.

Posted: 1/12/2006 1:28:40 PM EDT

[#9]

sounds like somethin is seriously worn in that gun. heat expanding things caused it to fail?

Posted: 1/12/2006 1:28:50 PM EDT

[#10]

Im having trouble beliving it

Posted: 1/12/2006 1:29:07 PM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:
Tell the truth, you lit the fuse didn't you?

photos.ar15.com/WS_Content/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?sAccountUnq=1729&iGalleryUnq=419&iImageUnq=42447

ETA :

Posted: 1/12/2006 1:29:12 PM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
No. You are saying that somehow all of the internal safeties were defeated by a hot sun, causing the gun to go off? I don't buy it.

No, he's saying that his Glock cooked off a few rounds from sitting in the sun too long.

That, or Casper did it.

Posted: 1/12/2006 1:29:24 PM EDT

[#13]

either a round cooked off somehow or hang fire

Posted: 1/12/2006 1:32:14 PM EDT

[#14]

So then the anti's were right and guns really do shoot at random? Maybe it smelled children and wanted to kill. Were there any children nearby?

Posted: 1/12/2006 1:34:11 PM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:
So then the anti's were right and guns really do shoot at random? Maybe it smelled children and wanted to kill. Were there any children nearby?

Machine Gun Alito, at it again..........

Posted: 1/12/2006 1:35:17 PM EDT

[#16]

a failure could cause the striker to fall i suppose. why was a hot gun sitting on the firing line?

Posted: 1/12/2006 1:42:01 PM EDT

[#17]

I gotta call BS on this one,

The striker only ready to release after the trigger is pulled,
Before that it is hooked on the trigger, but not under any real tension.

Maybe the sun heated the firearm up to the point where the powder 'cooked off'
Was the sun unusally close (and very large), Do you recall if the surounding trees were bursting into flames too? This would be a good indicator.

Posted: 1/12/2006 1:42:39 PM EDT

[#18]

removed per coc

Posted: 1/12/2006 1:43:24 PM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Tell the truth, you lit the fuse didn't you?

photos.ar15.com/WS_Content/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?sAccountUnq=1729&iGalleryUnq=419&iImageUnq=42447

If I had a dollar for everytime I saw that.

yes but it is funny everytime!

Posted: 1/12/2006 1:45:06 PM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:
edited ~ 82ndAbn

If that rhino squeezed a little harder, he could probably hit the target paper at 50 yards.

Posted: 1/12/2006 1:45:32 PM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:
So then the anti's were right and guns really do shoot at random? Maybe it smelled children and wanted to kill. Were there any children nearby?

Posted: 1/12/2006 1:46:10 PM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:
Quoted:
edited ~ 82ndAbn

If that rhino squeezed a little harder, he could probably hit the target paper at 50 yards.

more thrust per sqeeze

Posted: 1/12/2006 1:46:56 PM EDT

[#23]

Gotta call BS. No tension on the striker until you start pulling the trigger. And until you pull the trigger, not only is the striker unloaded, but the firing pin block is engaged.

Posted: 1/12/2006 1:48:34 PM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:
No, he's saying that his Glock cooked off a few rounds from sitting in the sun too long.

That, or Casper did it.

Thats not how I read it, but whatever. A round is not going to cook off from simply sitting in the hot sun. A round sitting in a very hot chamber , yes, THAT can cook off. And I mean a HOT chamber,as on a 50 cal thats been used a LOT on a qual line. Not from sitting in the sun on a bench.

Posted: 1/12/2006 1:50:21 PM EDT

[#25]

I find myself agreeing with Airwolf.

If it is true though, that gun needs an exorcism. Possibly the Gun range. Was it built on an indian burial ground?

Posted: 1/12/2006 1:54:56 PM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:
Gotta call BS. No tension on the striker until you start pulling the trigger. And until you pull the trigger, not only is the striker unloaded, but the firing pin block is engaged.

i thought there was some but not full tension on the striker when "cocked" and the final pull fully loaded it? been awhile since i had my glock.

Posted: 1/12/2006 1:56:59 PM EDT

[#27]

As has been said by others in this thread...

Posted: 1/12/2006 1:59:25 PM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Gotta call BS. No tension on the striker until you start pulling the trigger. And until you pull the trigger, not only is the striker unloaded, but the firing pin block is engaged.

i thought there was some but not full tension on the striker when "cocked" and the final pull fully loaded it? been awhile since i had my glock.

Just enough to engage the sear thingie. That's why glocks have the funky trigger pull.

Posted: 1/12/2006 2:04:25 PM EDT

[#29]

1. The striker does not have enough tension on it at half cock to fire a round if it fell from that position.

2. Sunlight could not possibly heat up a firearm sitting on a bench enough to cook off a round in the chamber. If it could, just imagine how many firearms would be discharging in every random parking lot in Texas during the summer.

There has to be more to the story than just a Glock laying out in the sunlight.

Posted: 1/12/2006 2:04:32 PM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Gotta call BS. No tension on the striker until you start pulling the trigger. And until you pull the trigger, not only is the striker unloaded, but the firing pin block is engaged.

i thought there was some but not full tension on the striker when "cocked" and the final pull fully loaded it? been awhile since i had my glock.

Dude, come on. All 3 of the safeties would have to fail at the same time for what he described to actually happen.

www.glock.com/_safe_action_.htm

Trigger Safety

The trigger safety is a mechanical safety which is incorporated into the trigger in the form of a lever. In the untouched state the trigger safety blocks the trigger from being moved backward. If the weapon is dropped or if the trigger is subjected to an off-center, lateral pressure, it is still impossible for the gun to fire.

This safety can only be released by the trigger being pulled by the trigger finger. It automatically re-engages after the trigger is released.

This situation offers maximum possible firing readiness combined with maximum safety for the user.

Firing Pin Safety

In the secured position the firing pin safety mechanically prevents the firing pin from moving forward. A spring-loaded pin projects into the firing pin cut-out and blocks it.

As the trigger is pulled towards the rear, an extension on the trigger bar pushes the firing pin safety up and opens the firing pin channel.

This safety can only be released by the trigger being pulled to the rear.

This situation offers maximum possible firing readiness combined with

Drop Safety

In the secured position the firing pin pushes the trigger bar onto the safety ramp under the influence of the firing pin spring.

There is no possibility in this position of the firing pin being released.

This drop safety can only be released by the trigger being pulled to the rear.

This situation offers maximum possible firing readiness combined with maximum safety for the user.

The only way for a Glock 19 to fire is for someone to pull the triger (unless all 3 mechanical safties fail simultaneously.

Posted: 1/12/2006 2:07:34 PM EDT

[#31]

Doesn't everyone know lawdog posts BS stuff all the time, use the search function

Posted: 1/12/2006 2:14:18 PM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:
a failure could cause the striker to fall i suppose. why was a hot gun sitting on the firing line?

You'd have to have three failures. The striker safety plunger would have had to been disabled or broken and then the cruciform or the striker would have to be out of spec, ie modified, in order for the striker to be able to move. Oh and then you'd need the striker to magically move rearward to get enough momentum going somehow.

IOW, BS.

Posted: 1/12/2006 2:15:33 PM EDT

[#33]

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=425173

My shrink diagnosed me today (finally!) with bi-polar disorder type 2. It runs in the family but I never thought of myself as "strange". Quite ordinary except for perhaps being a bit "eccentric".

Doc has prescribed Lamictal for the condition. So.... who here has bi-polar type II (there has to be some people here surely) who have the disorder and what can I expect in regard to treatment? Anyone take Lamictal for other medical conditions (epilepsy, etc.)? What side effects, if any, have you experienced or what can you expect???

Come-on, let me here from ya'.

Lawdog

Need to up those meds.

Posted: 1/12/2006 2:17:18 PM EDT

[#34]

Woah, talk about severe safety violations. I think a call to the manufacturer is a moral responsiblity.

Posted: 1/12/2006 2:22:03 PM EDT

[#35]

I agree with all the flag raisers......oh and who ever mentioned the increase in meds. Next thing you're going to do is tell us that having a detachable "clip" and pistol grip makes our AR's more deadly

BS

Posted: 1/12/2006 2:24:21 PM EDT

[#36]

Quoted:
Quoted:
a failure could cause the striker to fall i suppose. why was a hot gun sitting on the firing line?

You'd have to have three failures. The striker safety plunger would have had to been disabled or broken and then the cruciform or the striker would have to be out of spec, ie modified, in order for the striker to be able to move. Oh and then you'd need the striker to magically move rearward to get enough momentum going somehow.

IOW, BS.

thanks for info. it's been awhile since i've been inside a glock.

Posted: 1/12/2006 2:31:09 PM EDT

[#37]

I'm not even buying a round cook off. There's no way in hell it could get hot enough in the sun. Shit, I've heard stories of ammo cases surviving fires without a round discharging. That glock would have to get HOT, I mean REALLY HOT. Like, you couldn't touch it hot. Like, it would require welding gloves to handle it hot. Texas is hot, but it ain't that damn hot. Sorry.

Posted: 1/12/2006 2:35:56 PM EDT

[#38]

Whats with all the BS comments yawl? Didnt you even think to consider there could be supernatural forces at work? Duh?!

Posted: 1/12/2006 2:37:33 PM EDT

[#39]

cook off sounds like...

Posted: 1/12/2006 2:37:49 PM EDT

[#40]

I have yet to have that problem with my XD.

Posted: 1/12/2006 2:41:25 PM EDT

[#41]

Same thing happened to me when I left it out in the sun at a gas station car wash. It started shooting homeless people while it was spinning. Then it winged a pump and blew the place up. The only reason I survived is because I and my car were wet from the car wash... but the blast wave of heat dried me and the car instantly... even melted off a few bugs on the grill. Funniest thing.

Posted: 1/12/2006 2:46:41 PM EDT

[#42]

Uhh yeah. I suppose maybe a cook-off is possible... if you just fired half a case of ammo through it as fast as possible. And what was it doing loaded on a bench, anyways? Every range I've ever been to, the only loaded gun should be the one you're shooting, and maybe your carry gun in a holster on your body.

Posted: 1/12/2006 2:48:14 PM EDT

[#43]

Quoted:
Same thing happened to me when I left it out in the sun at a gas station car wash. It started shooting homeless people while it was spinning. Then it winged a pump and blew the place up. The only reason I survived is because I and my car were wet from the car wash... but the blast wave of heat dried me and the car instantly... even melted off a few bugs on the grill. Funniest thing.

Wait a second, are you saying you went to a car wash, and DIDN'T draw down?!? What's this site coming to?

Posted: 1/12/2006 2:48:21 PM EDT

[#44]

Quoted:
Same thing happened to me when I left it out in the sun at a gas station car wash. It started shooting homeless people while it was spinning. Then it winged a pump and blew the place up. The only reason I survived is because I and my car were wet from the car wash... but the blast wave of heat dried me and the car instantly... even melted off a few bugs on the grill. Funniest thing.

Must have been a .45 then. If it was the 9mm model the thrust generated from the boom frequency would have generated enough level surge to blow out the whole fandango ten times over. Gald your ok but you might consider 9mm for self defense

Posted: 1/12/2006 2:48:35 PM EDT

[#45]

It's total BS. A handgun fired with nothing holding it wouldn't just spin around in place. It would go flying backwards.

Posted: 1/12/2006 2:49:04 PM EDT

[#46]

You gonna reply lawdog, or are you just gonna sit back and enjoy the results of a half-assed troll post?

Posted: 1/12/2006 2:49:37 PM EDT

[#47]

Quoted:
I'm not even buying a round cook off. There's no way in hell it could get hot enough in the sun. Shit, I've heard stories of ammo cases surviving fires without a round discharging. That glock would have to get HOT, I mean REALLY HOT. Like, you couldn't touch it hot. Like, it would require welding gloves to handle it hot. Texas is hot, but it ain't that damn hot. Sorry.

In January no less.

Posted: 1/12/2006 2:50:33 PM EDT

[#48]

Quoted:
Doesn't everyone know lawdog posts BS stuff all the time, use the search function

Yes, you are right. A lot of threads just like this in lawdog's name, and he even winks or smiles when called on it. He really likes gullible people.

Posted: 1/12/2006 2:51:56 PM EDT

[#49]

I live in PHOENIX, AZ, and go shooting in the desert all the time in summer, where temps of 120 in the direct sun are not just known, they are normal.

My Kimber (read: metal, not plastic) has gotton so hot in the sun you literally - LITERALLY - could not touch it with your bare hands. I have never once had a cooker.

I would have to put thousands of rounds through the barrel in a matter of minutes to have a cooker, and even that is only a maybe.

If you're telling the truth, you had a hangfire - which you would have known about by that funny *click* before you set the weapon down. But why was it loaded on the line if you were shooting another?

Sorry man, but your story makes no sense what-so-ever.

Posted: 1/12/2006 3:19:35 PM EDT

[#50]

Even if this story were true (it's not, of course), it is not good practice to leave a chambered firearm sitting on the bench like that. You should always leave the action open when you leave a gun sitting out in the open.

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