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Posted: 12/29/2005 5:23:03 PM EDT
P-51

P-40

F-4U

P-47

I say the P-40 was the best looking of the bunch. Very cool, clean lines.

Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:24:57 PM EDT

P-51D
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:25:15 PM EDT
Those P-51's give me wood.



CMOS
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:26:44 PM EDT
As far as "best looking" I'd say the P-51D

As far as "most badass" P-47D hands down.....eight fifties baby

I love them all though.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:27:56 PM EDT
long nose Corsair.

Best-looking .... plane ..... ever.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:29:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 5:29:51 PM EDT by 1shott]
Oops, sorry did not see the poll.


F4U Corsair....

Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:29:13 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:31:28 PM EDT
Best looking P-51

Toughest P-47

Old soldiers never die P-40

Best all around F4U
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:35:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 5:37:15 PM EDT by vito113]
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:37:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:
I say the P40 was an obsolete death trap that needlessly killed many USAAF pilots in an unequal struggle with a superior plane. The P51 was available and was not ordered into service as a fighter for TWO years after Pearl Harbour by the USAAF despite it having been in RAF service since 1942!

The Truman Commission specifically criticized the .Mil for that decision.

I wonder how the war in the Pacific in 1942/3 would have proceeded if Tojo had been fighting Mustangs not P39's & 40's?


OK. Now, which was best looking?
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:38:30 PM EDT
P-38
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:38:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 5:41:08 PM EDT by swingset]

Originally Posted By vito113:
I say the P40 was an obsolete death trap that needlessly killed many USAAF pilots in an unequal struggle with a superior plane.



Really?

Against the superior planes of the Japanese, the AVG racked up a kill ratio that's still quite awesome.....one of the best of any squadrons ever to take to the skies. 70:1, 296 victories, 9 men lost.

It was rugged, had terrific dive speed, and good firepower.

It was outdated, but still VERY effective if you knew how to use it to its advantages, like Chennault did.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:44:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:
ETA: the Thunderbolt was totally Badass as a ground attack plane... Video

Thunderbolts and 8 .50's take no prisoners!




That was kick-ass. How about that explosion???
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:48:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 5:49:26 PM EDT by ScaryGuy]
Nope. 'Ol Hose-Nose has the prettiest lines of any plane ever flown.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:49:16 PM EDT
P-39 had a great look IMHO.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:49:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Katana16j:
P-38



I agree, aethetically, I think it's the prettiest plane the US put to service.

Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:49:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Katana16j:
P-38



+1

F-4U is also a favorite. Toss up.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:51:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Katana16j:
P-38



+1, wheres this on the poll!!!
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:53:18 PM EDT
I have to toss my vote in with the P-38. There never was nor is a better looking plane. That and the fact it was hella effective in the recon role.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:54:13 PM EDT
Gull Wing baby!
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:56:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 5:59:04 PM EDT by Lumpy196]
P51D. Without a doubt, THE sexiest man-made death-dealer to ever take flight.


Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:58:39 PM EDT
The P-47!

I may be lonely, but I'm true to the Jug!
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:58:45 PM EDT
P51D
Spitfire
P47
F4U
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:59:04 PM EDT
Take those pussy props and go home....



13 footers on the Corsair rules!!!!

Hell that is the reason for the gull wings....so the props would clear the ground....too cool.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:00:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 6:01:24 PM EDT by Andreuha]
I don't see what's so hot about the P-51... I think the F4U was the best looking of the bunch. Almost as pretty as the FW-190's!
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:01:09 PM EDT
P-51 without a doubt.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:01:28 PM EDT
This:


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This


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Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:01:49 PM EDT
Now how about the best SOUNDING plane.

Without a doubt, the Mustang or Spitfire with the Merlin.
I could just play that like it was Mozart. Music to my ears.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:05:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 6:06:56 PM EDT by ScaryGuy]

Originally Posted By vito113:

I say the P40 was an obsolete death trap that needlessly killed many USAAF pilots in an unequal struggle with a superior plane. The P51 was available and was not ordered into service as a fighter for TWO years after Pearl Harbour by the USAAF despite it having been in RAF service since 1942!

The Truman Commission specifically criticized the .Mil for that decision.

I wonder how the war in the Pacific in 1942/3 would have proceeded if Tojo had been fighting Mustangs not P39's & 40's?

ANdy



Well, against P-51Bs thru D's with the Merlin, we'dve done much better. Much better. Against the first P-51's with the Aliison? About the same as with the P-40.

The Mustang was a woeful aircraft until someone got the idea to stick a Merlin in them...Horrible high altitude performance and underpowered. The Mustang that distinguished itself as a premier fighter in Europe did not enter service there until LATE 1943. From the USAF's own history of the P-51. I'm pretty sure they'd know:

"The P-51 was designed as the NA-73 in 1940 at Britain's request. The design showed promise and AAF purchases of Allison-powered Mustangs began in 1941primarily for photo recon and ground support use due to its limited high-altitude performance. But in 1942, tests of P-51s using the British Rolls-Royce "Merlin" engine revealed much improved speed and service ceiling, and in Dec. 1943, Merlin-powered P-51Bs first entered combat over Europe. Providing high-altitude escort to B-17s and B-24s, they scored heavily over German interceptors and by war's end, P-51s had destroyed 4,950 enemy aircraft in the air, more than any other fighter in Europe.

Mustangs served in nearly every combat zone, including the Pacific where they escorted B-29s to Japan from Iwo Jima. Between 1941-5, the AAF ordered 14,855 Mustangs (including A-36A dive bomber and F-6 photo recon versions), of which 7,956 were P-51Ds. During the Korean War, P-51Ds were used primarily for close support of ground forces until withdrawn from combat in 1953. "


I'm surprised you didn't just say that the Spitfire or Typhoon shoulda been our frontline fighter instead of all that American junk...

SG
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:07:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:
Now how about the best SOUNDING plane.

Without a doubt, the Mustang or Spitfire with the Merlin.
I could just play that like it was Mozart. Music to my ears.



Best sounding I'd give to the P-38.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:08:21 PM EDT
Shes just soooo sexy!

Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:09:04 PM EDT
I think I'll go pop Battle of Britain in the DVD player.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:09:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Desert_Cowboy:
Shes just soooo sexy!

www.airmuseumsuk.org/airshow/2004/Rougham2004/1024/images/021%20North%20American%20P-51D%20Mustang%20472218%20G-HAEC.jpg



That is one beautiful aircraft.

SG
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:10:07 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:10:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 6:18:53 PM EDT by CFII]
I say the F4U followed closely by the F8 Bearcat.


Best sounding would be the Hawker Sea Fury.

FYI for those not in the know, the Bearcat is the fastest propeller driven aircraft in the world 528.33 mph
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:11:42 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:11:54 PM EDT
P-51D

BigDozer66
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:13:10 PM EDT
Close call CFII, I see you caught yourself, the F9 was a jet.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:14:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By brentwal:
Close call CFII, I see you caught yourself, the F9 was a jet.





Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:16:10 PM EDT

Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:18:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 6:19:38 PM EDT by vito113]
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:20:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CFII:
I say the F4U followed closely by the F8 Bearcat.


Best sounding would be the Hawker Sea Fury.

FYI for those not in the know, the Bearcat is the fastest propeller driven aircraft in the world 528.33 mph
www.rarebear.com/bear2.jpg



Didn't the Russian Bear approach Mach in their turboprops?

I may be wrong, threads like these get me to tap the memory banks.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:22:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 6:25:30 PM EDT by ScaryGuy]

Originally Posted By vito113:


My point remains valid, the USAAF could have fought the Japs in the SWPAC in 42/43 with the FAR superior Mustang if they had not sat on their hands.

ANdy



I read quite well, as I pointed out above.

The Merlin powered powered 'Stangs, which were more than a match for anything in the Pacific, did not go into service even in Europe Until Late 1943 (December). Before that, the A models which were Allison powered, were used primarily as recon and ground support, because they were atrociously underpowered, (which is to say SLOW, and SLOW pretty much equals DEAD) and even worse at high altitudes.

From '41 to late '43, the underpowered Allison Mustangs would've done no better than the P-40 against Zekes, probably worse.

If we'dve only had Super Hornets...

SG
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:24:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 6:27:49 PM EDT by vito113]
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:25:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 6:25:38 PM EDT by CFII]

Originally Posted By CITADELGRAD87:

Originally Posted By CFII:
I say the F4U followed closely by the F8 Bearcat.


Best sounding would be the Hawker Sea Fury.

FYI for those not in the know, the Bearcat is the fastest propeller driven aircraft in the world 528.33 mph
www.rarebear.com/bear2.jpg



Didn't the Russian Bear approach Mach in their turboprops?

I may be wrong, threads like these get me to tap the memory banks.



The Bear is capable of over 500mph (.8 Mach), but since it never ran a closed course for speed, the Rare Bear gets the title.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:25:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By ScaryGuy:

Originally Posted By vito113:


My point remains valid, the USAAF could have fought the Japs in the SWPAC in 42/43 with the FAR superior Mustang if they had not sat on their hands.

ANdy



Wrong, as I pointed out above.

The Merlin powered powered 'Stangs, which were more than a match for anything in the Pacific, did not go into service even in Europe Until Late 1943 (December). Before that, the A models which were Allison powered, were used primarily as recon and ground support, because they were atrociously underpowered, (which is to say SLOW, and SLOW pretty much equals DEAD) and even worse at high altitudes.

From '41 to late '43, the underpowered Allison Mustangs would've done no better than the P-40's, probably worse.

SG



Did you actually read my last post?

ANdy



Yes.

Still wrong.

SG
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:26:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 6:27:08 PM EDT by Sukebe]

Originally Posted By CFII:


FYI for those not in the know, the Bearcat is the fastest propeller driven aircraft in the world 528.33 mph



Never saw combat in WWII. The jet age began in 1944 which made the Bearcat obsolete before the first one rolled off the assembly line

Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:27:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CITADELGRAD87:

Originally Posted By CFII:
I say the F4U followed closely by the F8 Bearcat.


Best sounding would be the Hawker Sea Fury.

FYI for those not in the know, the Bearcat is the fastest propeller driven aircraft in the world 528.33 mph
www.rarebear.com/bear2.jpg



Didn't the Russian Bear approach Mach in their turboprops?

I may be wrong, threads like these get me to tap the memory banks.



The tips of the props reach near Mach 1 speeds, I think thats what your remembering.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:28:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Sukebe:

Originally Posted By CFII:


FYI for those not in the know, the Bearcat is the fastest propeller driven aircraft in the world 528.33 mph



Never saw combat in WWII. The jet age began in 1944 which made the Bearcat obsolete before the first one rolled off the assembly line




I know. How does this change anything? Its still pretty
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:29:03 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:31:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1shott:
Oops, sorry did not see the poll.


F4U Corsair....

fototime.com/7A5CB256519B14E/standard.jpg



+1

P-38 was pretty badass too.
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