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Posted: 12/27/2005 3:50:22 PM EDT
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=41972761

Sorry could not make it hot-link.

Says it was his deceased father's and thinks it goes to an AR. The bids only .26 cents.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 3:52:45 PM EDT
Sendin that dude a message about it right now... If he's on the up and up he should be given some advice...
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 3:53:29 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 3:54:42 PM EDT
BATF might as well drive around in a van offering children candy.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 3:55:06 PM EDT
I wonder if there's any chance that sear was registered?


Looks like a new sting operation.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 3:55:22 PM EDT
What are those parts???
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 3:56:29 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 3:56:30 PM EDT
Surely someone isn't that clueless?
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 3:56:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/27/2005 3:56:56 PM EDT by USMC2111]
Shopping list for ATF:

Auto sear. X

Drop in auto sear. X

Pound me in the ass prison. X

Link Posted: 12/27/2005 3:57:04 PM EDT
Drop in auto sear. I dont see a serial # on that side but if he doesnt know what it is he might not know to look for the paper work.(If there is any.)

Did you email him? He asked if anyone knew what it was to email him. I'm not registered there so I couldnt.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 3:59:02 PM EDT
12 sales on gunbroker, and makes it sound like he doesnt even know what a gun is. sounds like a sting.

you could open a beer bottle with that...
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 3:59:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By captainpooby:
Drop in auto sear. I dont see a serial # on that side but if he doesnt know what it is he might not know to look for the paper work.(If there is any.)

Did you email him? He asked if anyone knew what it was to email him. I'm not registered there so I couldnt.



"What you have in this auction is a heavily controlled (but legal in some instances) drop in auto sear for an AR15. It makes the rifle fire in fully automatic. I suggest you take down this auction and asertain wether or not this was legally possesed by your father by a relative. If it was legally owned (registered with the ATF) then you have a piece worth several thousand dollars (upwards of 9,000). If illegal I can't help you in any way and I suggest you contact a legal service/law enforcement of some kind. Illegal possession of that coule be a 10,000$ fine and 10 years in prison if convicted. Be safe and I thought I'd warn you."

Sent to him. How'd I do?
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 3:59:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Engineer5:
What are those parts???


Drop in Auto Sear, an Auto sear from an M16, Rear sight, and a takedown pin.

Possesion of an unregistered DIAS and an AR15 is constructive intent to own a machine gun.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 3:59:35 PM EDT
WooHoo! It's registered! I got an email back. They found a Form 4 along with the will in the safety deposit box. I'm getting it for $25 + shipping.

<--------Goes off to find a local FFL/SOT for the transfer



OK, I'm just joking. It would be a nice find though.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 4:04:26 PM EDT
Man this is a sting , if I ever saw one.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 4:05:34 PM EDT
Someone ask them if they have any glock 40 parts.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 4:06:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Engineer5:
What are those parts???



It's Viet Nam era, M-16 beer bottle opener!
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 4:07:47 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 4:08:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/27/2005 4:09:19 PM EDT by Engineer5]
Auction is over!
I'm sure he ended it when he got emails.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 4:09:10 PM EDT
I'll take it, Paypal sent!
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 4:10:28 PM EDT
Maybe this was real and he got you're email about it. Damn
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 4:12:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LVMIKE:

Originally Posted By captainpooby:
Drop in auto sear. I dont see a serial # on that side but if he doesnt know what it is he might not know to look for the paper work.(If there is any.)

Did you email him? He asked if anyone knew what it was to email him. I'm not registered there so I couldnt.



"What you have in this auction is a heavily controlled (but legal in some instances) drop in auto sear for an AR15. It makes the rifle fire in fully automatic. I suggest you take down this auction and asertain wether or not this was legally possesed by your father by a relative. If it was legally owned (registered with the ATF) then you have a piece worth several thousand dollars (upwards of 9,000). If illegal I can't help you in any way and I suggest you contact a legal service/law enforcement of some kind. Illegal possession of that coule be a 10,000$ fine and 10 years in prison if convicted. Be safe and I thought I'd warn you."

Sent to him. How'd I do?



Good. It is actually possible he's legit and doesnt know any better.

It's also possible that paperwork for that does exist in his father's files somewhere and he's sitting on a goldmine. I'd like to see a pic of the other side to see if it's serialed.

I couldn't care less if it's an ATF sting. No sweat off my nuts.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 4:13:30 PM EDT
According to the site, this guy bought it: thenew-philist
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 4:13:43 PM EDT
For not knowing what weapon they are for, he sure put alot of emphasis on AR in the auction title.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 4:14:27 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 4:23:42 PM EDT
It is sad that just owning some machined parts along with an AR-15 can get you prison time.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 4:25:50 PM EDT
I dont own an AR. Ill order it.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 4:31:34 PM EDT
Good luck with that, Do you have any other guns I can store for you on your 10 yr vacation
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 4:35:52 PM EDT
I just about crapped my pant when i seen that.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 4:41:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HarrySacz:
I just about crapped my pant when i seen that.



+1!
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 4:42:54 PM EDT
i asked him if it had a serial number onit and he said he pulled the add after several emails , he said he is going to figure out what it actually is and if his dad has paper work onit and he would get back with me......
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 4:49:15 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 4:51:38 PM EDT
Aww nuts, dude was 20 minutes away from me. No new lapel pin now.

Link Posted: 12/27/2005 4:54:48 PM EDT
Darn, the auction closed, otherwise I would have bought it.

<­BR>



Not!
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 9:40:58 AM EDT
He emailed me back:

Wow Thanks for the heads up on that Is it just the silver block shape item that is illegal? What should I do with it then toss it? Thanks again


My responce:

Both that “silver block” and the curved black one to the left of it in the picture are illegal to posses in most cases. The silver block is known as a drop in auto sear. The black curved piece to the left is a regular auto sear, used for an M16. If neither has a serial number written on them, they are illegal. I don’t know what kind of trouble you would be in for possessing them through inheritance, but I do know you would be in HUGE trouble for selling them – even un-wittingly. I can’t really offer any advice as what to do with the thing/s.



Just to clarify, I do not want to buy this in any way.




Could have been legit...
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 9:47:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/28/2005 9:55:40 AM EDT by JustinOK34]
Never seen one before, cool.
Edit-
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 9:49:41 AM EDT
Keep us updated....
I'm curious how this turns out...

I imagine there are plenty of these "hidden treasures" to be found in deceased relatives belongings.
Even the well educated gun owner wouldn't have a clue what a RDIAS looks like...
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 9:55:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Dragracer_Art:
Keep us updated....
I'm curious how this turns out...

I imagine there are plenty of these "hidden treasures" to be found in deceased relatives belongings.
Even the well educated gun owner wouldn't have a clue what a RDIAS looks like...



I don't know what else to tell the guy... He could be in big trouble already (is he?), so it seems like he should "lawyer up."
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 10:03:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By LVMIKE:

Originally Posted By Dragracer_Art:
Keep us updated....
I'm curious how this turns out...

I imagine there are plenty of these "hidden treasures" to be found in deceased relatives belongings.
Even the well educated gun owner wouldn't have a clue what a RDIAS looks like...



I don't know what else to tell the guy... He could be in big trouble already (is he?), so it seems like he should "lawyer up."



The USGI autosear is not that big of a deal... Without the holes in the lower, and without the rear shelf clearence to install it, it will NEVER work. Even the most talented ATF tech official would have trouble making a gun run full auto using it.
Even the drop-in unit would still need the rest of the full auto parts to make it work...
If it has no serial numbers on it, then I'd say just toss it in the trash... End of problem.
It's not illegal for a C3 Mfg to own it though.
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