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Posted: 11/8/2005 4:40:07 PM EDT

I complained when they took the firearms up in New Orleans to my Democratic Senator.

got this in the mail today:

I understand your concern with some recent news reports about gun confiscation that has taken place in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. Citizens of the United States must be afforded all of their rights, and I hold the right to bear arms, granted to us under the Second Amendment, as vital to our existence as a nation. In an effort to protect these rights, I assure you that I will research this matter fully, and as a member of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Commitee, I will have the opportunity to question officials regarding the response to the disaster. I will keep your concerns in mind during this process.

only quoted part, but how's that for pro-2nd?

eta: senator is Mark Pryor of Arkansas.

Posted: 11/8/2005 4:43:06 PM EDT

[#1]

Quoted:
I complained when they took the firearms up in New Orleans to my Democratic Senator.

got this in the mail today:

I understand your concern with some recent news reports about gun confiscation that has taken place in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. Citizens of the United States must be afforded all of their rights, and I hold the right to bear arms, granted to us under the Second Amendment, as vital to our existence as a nation. In an effort to protect these rights, I assure you that I will research this matter fully, and as a member of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Commitee, I will have the opportunity to question officials regarding the response to the disaster. I will keep your concerns in mind during this process.

only quoted part, but how's that for pro-2nd?

eta: senator is Mark Pryor of Arkansas.

Pryor is an Arkansas democrat. Bill wasn't. Pryor knows how us Arkies feel.

Posted: 11/8/2005 4:48:27 PM EDT

[#2]

When a NE democrap says that I'll be pleased. It is still nice to hear. But is he just telling you what you want to hear?

Posted: 11/8/2005 4:50:04 PM EDT

[#3]

I dont think Democrats are bad people, liberals are bad people. Atleast modern liberals

Posted: 11/8/2005 4:57:28 PM EDT

[#4]

Quoted:
I dont think Democrats are bad people, liberals are bad people. Atleast modern liberals

I think all people are bad people..

Posted: 11/8/2005 4:57:59 PM EDT

[#5]

Consider the state he represents if he was crying out for gun control he would not represent Arkansas long.

Posted: 11/8/2005 4:58:38 PM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:
When a NE democrap says that I'll be pleased. It is still nice to hear. But is he just telling you what you want to hear?

Pryor has a pretty good rep in Arkansas.

Posted: 11/8/2005 5:00:22 PM EDT

[#7]

Awesome!

My senator (Hutchison - R) gave me back a b.s. letter about "thank you for your concern about Hurricane Katrina. Lots of people are in need of assistance and its so tragic, blah blah blah." not one word about gun confiscation or the violation of rights. what a crock of shit.

Posted: 11/8/2005 5:07:30 PM EDT

[#8]

I am glad that I learned from Arfcom what to expect if the police knock on my door during a natural(or other type)of emergency

Posted: 11/8/2005 5:10:32 PM EDT

[#9]

The very statement is false. The Second Amendment does not GRANT the right, it states that the PRE-EXISTING right shall not be infringed.

The right is God-given, as no earthly agency conferred it upon us.

CJ

Posted: 11/8/2005 5:10:35 PM EDT

[#10]

I emailed him to thank him !

LB

Posted: 11/8/2005 5:11:13 PM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:
The very statement is false. The Second Amendment does not GRANT the right, it states that the PRE-EXISTING right shall not be infringed.

The right is God-given, as no earthly agency conferred it upon us.

CJ

Easy on the petty semantics.

Posted: 11/8/2005 5:12:14 PM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
I am glad that I learned from Arfcom what to expect if the police knock on my door during a natural(or other type)of emergency

The main thing I've learned is that if a natural disaster ever happens where the feds come in, BO is the only option.

Posted: 11/8/2005 5:25:46 PM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:
Quoted:
The very statement is false. The Second Amendment does not GRANT the right, it states that the PRE-EXISTING right shall not be infringed.

The right is God-given, as no earthly agency conferred it upon us.

CJ

Easy on the petty semantics.

It's not petty semantics, it is a fundamental part of the Constitution. For you to not understand that is part of the problem.

G

Posted: 11/8/2005 5:28:03 PM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:
Quoted:
I am glad that I learned from Arfcom what to expect if the police knock on my door during a natural(or other type)of emergency
The main thing I've learned is that if a natural disaster ever happens where the feds come in, BO is the only option.

Body Odor?

Just kidding, what if you can not leave due to family responsibilities or if the situation occured too quickly?

Bugging Out may NOT be an option........

Posted: 11/8/2005 5:31:16 PM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:
Quoted:
I dont think Democrats are bad people, liberals are bad people. Atleast modern liberals

I think all people are bad people..

+ infinity

Posted: 11/8/2005 5:47:54 PM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
I dont think Democrats are bad people, liberals are bad people. Atleast modern liberals

I think all people are bad people..

+ infinity

+infinity +1

Posted: 11/8/2005 5:54:25 PM EDT

[#17]

He's not rated by GOA. What's his voting record.

Posted: 11/8/2005 5:58:09 PM EDT

[#18]

Wow we are granted our rights? Typical DemocRap response. No clue as to why we even have a bill of rights.

Chalk his response up as "blowing smoke"

Posted: 11/8/2005 6:05:45 PM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:
The very statement is false. The Second Amendment does not GRANT the right, it states that the PRE-EXISTING right shall not be infringed.

The right is God-given, as no earthly agency conferred it upon us.

CJ

To get a Democrat to admit that it is an individual right, never mind where they think it came from, is pretty dang good.

Posted: 11/8/2005 6:30:17 PM EDT

[#20]

bah, say what you will, but I can name more than a few Republicans who would be afraid to say that the second amendment is "vital to our existance as a nation."

I'm not bashing Republicans - I've always voted a full R ballot.

Posted: 11/8/2005 6:39:51 PM EDT

[#21]

Pryor is not too shaby for a Dem.

He is also part of the group of 14 and has said publicly that all S.C. nominations deserve a straight up or down vote, regardless of political ideology.

He's a damn sight better than the other joke we have for a Senator.

Posted: 11/8/2005 7:10:41 PM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
The very statement is false. The Second Amendment does not GRANT the right, it states that the PRE-EXISTING right shall not be infringed.

The right is God-given, as no earthly agency conferred it upon us.

CJ

Easy on the petty semantics.

It's not petty semantics, it is a fundamental part of the Constitution. For you to not understand that is part of the problem.

G

If the second amendmant doesn't grant us the RKBA, what does? Legally it does. Period, end of story. If you want to say it's a god given right fine. But The 2nd amendment is exactly what grants us this right. For you not to understand that is a problem.

Posted: 11/8/2005 7:19:41 PM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:
Quoted:
The very statement is false. The Second Amendment does not GRANT the right, it states that the PRE-EXISTING right shall not be infringed.

The right is God-given, as no earthly agency conferred it upon us.

CJ

Easy on the petty semantics.

That is NOT petty semantics.

Anyone who thinks that our Constitution grants us rights has no place in government.

Posted: 11/8/2005 7:26:48 PM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
The very statement is false. The Second Amendment does not GRANT the right, it states that the PRE-EXISTING right shall not be infringed.

The right is God-given, as no earthly agency conferred it upon us.

CJ

Easy on the petty semantics.

It's not petty semantics, it is a fundamental part of the Constitution. For you to not understand that is part of the problem.

G
If the second amendmant doesn't grant us the RKBA, what does? Legally it does. Period, end of story. If you want to say it's a god given right fine. But The 2nd amendment is exactly what grants us this right. For you not to understand that is a problem.

JAYZUZ KEERIST!
If the Constitution grants us rights, then the government is the source of our rights, power, and authority and we are subjects of that government. What can be granted can be taken away.

The reality of the situation is that we provide our government power & authority. The rights protected by the 2nd A is the pointy end of our power & authority over our own government.

This is a fundamental concept of how our government works.

Posted: 11/8/2005 7:29:33 PM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
The very statement is false. The Second Amendment does not GRANT the right, it states that the PRE-EXISTING right shall not be infringed.

The right is God-given, as no earthly agency conferred it upon us.

CJ

Easy on the petty semantics.

That is NOT petty semantics.
Anyone who thinks that our Constitution grants us rights has no place in government.

The constitution is the basis for our laws. Legally it IS what gives us this right. Our government is not based on the bible, or anything else. It is a written document that has been turned to law. You have a rare pro gun democrat and ya'll are saying he should'nt be in office because of a play on words. Fact of the matter is, things are about to be really bad for us, and allies are allies. Pryor is pretty much on our side. But of course you don't want that because of a play on words.

Posted: 11/8/2005 7:30:21 PM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
The very statement is false. The Second Amendment does not GRANT the right, it states that the PRE-EXISTING right shall not be infringed.

The right is God-given, as no earthly agency conferred it upon us.

CJ

Easy on the petty semantics.

It's not petty semantics, it is a fundamental part of the Constitution. For you to not understand that is part of the problem.

G
If the second amendmant doesn't grant us the RKBA, what does? Legally it does. Period, end of story. If you want to say it's a god given right fine. But The 2nd amendment is exactly what grants us this right. For you not to understand that is a problem.

JAYZUZ KEERIST!
If the Constitution grants us rights, then the government is the source of our rights, power, and authority and we are subjects of that government. What can be granted can be taken away.

The reality of the situation is that we provide our government power & authority. The rights protected by the 2nd A is the pointy end of our power & authority over our own government.

This is a fundamental concept of how our government works.

I'm not talking about unwritten but known issues. I'm talking LAW.

Posted: 11/8/2005 7:35:04 PM EDT

[#27]

before we start kissing Pryor's ass too much lets not forget that he voted FOR the A.W.B. I wrote him a letter about it and got some B.S. form letter back about how he believes in gun rights but doesnt believe we should own assault weapons. If you think he (or any dem) supports the 2nd you just keep drinking the kool aid.

Posted: 11/8/2005 7:46:32 PM EDT

[#28]

Hes right. Its not an issue of semantics. Its a fundamental tenet of constitutional understanding. The constitution of the United States grants the people of the United States NO rights. All rights are inherent in the people first. The constitution is just the document we the people wrote up telling the government which few rights or powers we were willing to give up.

Posted: 11/8/2005 8:04:16 PM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:
Awesome!

My senator (Hutchison - R) gave me back a b.s. letter about "thank you for your concern about Hurricane Katrina. Lots of people are in need of assistance and its so tragic, blah blah blah." not one word about gun confiscation or the violation of rights. what a crock of shit.

I got the exact same letter from mine. He just blew right around my concern about gun confiscation.

Asshole.

Posted: 11/8/2005 8:16:12 PM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:
The constitution is the basis for our laws. Legally it IS what gives us this right. Our government is not based on the bible, or anything else. It is a written document that has been turned to law. You have a rare pro gun democrat and ya'll are saying he should'nt be in office because of a play on words. Fact of the matter is, things are about to be really bad for us, and allies are allies. Pryor is pretty much on our side. But of course you don't want that because of a play on words.

The Constitution was designed to limit the scope and power of government based on the fact that humans have preexisting rights. To state that the Constitution confers rights to individuals means that the document is supreme to rights inherent to the individual. If you make that assumption, the Constitution can be modified to take those rights away from you. And, yes, they are God-given.

Posted: 11/8/2005 8:20:06 PM EDT

[#31]

So, no one has rights except on paper? The authority has to be recognized somewhere and it doesnt come from the Government.

Amendment 9 - The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Posted: 11/8/2005 9:05:32 PM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:
Quoted:
The constitution is the basis for our laws. Legally it IS what gives us this right. Our government is not based on the bible, or anything else. It is a written document that has been turned to law. You have a rare pro gun democrat and ya'll are saying he should'nt be in office because of a play on words. Fact of the matter is, things are about to be really bad for us, and allies are allies. Pryor is pretty much on our side. But of course you don't want that because of a play on words.

The Constitution was designed to limit the scope and power of government based on the fact that humans have preexisting rights. To state that the Constitution confers rights to individuals means that the document is supreme to rights inherent to the individual. If you make that assumption, the Constitution can be modified to take those rights away from you. And, yes, they are God-given.

+1000

Posted: 11/8/2005 9:22:54 PM EDT

[#33]

Democrats have already stated that they intend to preserve the 2nd amendment by banning guns and not allowing sales at gun shows.

No word yet on banning free speech in order to protect the 1st amendment.

Posted: 11/8/2005 9:39:30 PM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:
Anyone who thinks that our Constitution grants us rights has no place in government.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights

Posted: 11/9/2005 10:18:03 AM EDT

[#35]

NO ONE has understood what I'm saying. If you are in court over a gun law violation, what's a better defense, "you are violating my constitutional right to KBA by saying I can't have it." OR "God said I could have it, bye bye." OR "The founding fathers intended for me to be able to have it"

Posted: 11/9/2005 11:05:07 AM EDT

[#36]

What the courts do or do not acknowledge WRT the basis for our rights, and how the Constitution interacts with these rights is irrelevant. At the time of this country's founding, the Constitution was understood to be a limited set of powers granted by us, the People, to the Government.
That modern day jurisprudence has switched this around does not invalidate this concept.

Posted: 11/9/2005 11:06:57 AM EDT

[#37]

Quoted:
What the courts do or do not acknowledge WRT the basis for our rights, and how the Constitution interacts with these rights is irrelevant. At the time of this country's founding, the Constitution was understood to be a limited set of powers granted by us, the People, to the Government.
That modern day jurisprudence has switched this around does not invalidate this concept.

What no one is getting is that I'm talking about right here, right now, in the eyes of our lawmakers.

Posted: 11/9/2005 11:07:41 AM EDT

[#38]

You might be new at this but don't listen to what they say ... watch what they do.

Politicians are the biggest two-faced liars on the planet.

Posted: 11/9/2005 12:35:50 PM EDT

[#39]

Quoted:
NO ONE has understood what I'm saying. If you are in court over a gun law violation, what's a better defense, "you are violating my constitutional right to KBA by saying I can't have it." OR "God said I could have it, bye bye." OR "The founding fathers intended for me to be able to have it"

I understand what you're SAYING.... which is probably not what you mean.

Posted: 11/9/2005 12:37:01 PM EDT

[#40]

Quoted:
Quoted:
NO ONE has understood what I'm saying. If you are in court over a gun law violation, what's a better defense, "you are violating my constitutional right to KBA by saying I can't have it." OR "God said I could have it, bye bye." OR "The founding fathers intended for me to be able to have it"

I understand what you're SAYING.... which is probably not what you mean.

Fuck it, I give up

Posted: 11/9/2005 12:39:18 PM EDT

[#41]

Quoted:
What no one is getting is that I'm talking about right here, right now, in the eyes of our lawmakers.

Yea.. exactly the problem!!
The lawmakers see it wrong (and you're agreeing with them). Too many of them think they're in charge, rather than being a servant and subject to the people who put them there.

Posted: 11/9/2005 12:55:36 PM EDT

[#42]

The right is PROTECTED by the Constitution. It is not CONFERRED by it.

"The right of the people...shall not be infringed."

There is NO statement, ANYWHERE in any document, that says "Congress grants the people
the right to...."

The BOR grants nothing. It PROTECTS pre-existing rights. That is FUNDAMENTAL to the basis of our country.

CJ

Posted: 11/9/2005 12:57:12 PM EDT

[#43]

You shouldn't hold your breath waiting for him to actually do anything.

Posted: 11/9/2005 2:44:04 PM EDT

[#44]

Quoted:
I complained when they took the firearms up in New Orleans to my Democratic Senator.

got this in the mail today:

I understand your concern with some recent news reports about gun confiscation that has taken place in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. Citizens of the United States must be afforded all of their rights, and I hold the right to bear arms, granted to us under the Second Amendment, as vital to our existence as a nation. In an effort to protect these rights, I assure you that I will research this matter fully, and as a member of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Commitee, I will have the opportunity to question officials regarding the response to the disaster. I will keep your concerns in mind during this process.

only quoted part, but how's that for pro-2nd?

eta: senator is Mark Pryor of Arkansas.

Did you call or write? I called but never got any response.

Posted: 11/9/2005 2:51:06 PM EDT

[#45]

Quoted:
The very statement is false. The Second Amendment does not GRANT the right, it states that the PRE-EXISTING right shall not be infringed.

The right is God-given, as no earthly agency conferred it upon us.

CJ

Beat me to it. Very observant, grasshopper.

Posted: 11/11/2005 4:52:43 AM EDT

[#46]

Quoted:
Quoted:
I complained when they took the firearms up in New Orleans to my Democratic Senator.

got this in the mail today:

I understand your concern with some recent news reports about gun confiscation that has taken place in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. Citizens of the United States must be afforded all of their rights, and I hold the right to bear arms, granted to us under the Second Amendment, as vital to our existence as a nation. In an effort to protect these rights, I assure you that I will research this matter fully, and as a member of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Commitee, I will have the opportunity to question officials regarding the response to the disaster. I will keep your concerns in mind during this process.

only quoted part, but how's that for pro-2nd?

eta: senator is Mark Pryor of Arkansas.

Did you call or write? I called but never got any response.

filled out a form on his web site.

Posted: 11/11/2005 5:02:33 AM EDT

[#47]

Quoted:
The very statement is false. The Second Amendment does not GRANT the right, it states that the PRE-EXISTING right shall not be infringed.

The right is God-given, as no earthly agency conferred it upon us.

CJ

Read above again people...this is an important distinction!

Posted: 11/11/2005 5:16:41 AM EDT

[#48]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
NO ONE has understood what I'm saying. If you are in court over a gun law violation, what's a better defense, "you are violating my constitutional right to KBA by saying I can't have it." OR "God said I could have it, bye bye." OR "The founding fathers intended for me to be able to have it"

I understand what you're SAYING.... which is probably not what you mean.
Fuck it, I give up

Gotta learn the difference between current legal fiction and Founding Intent. Lawyers and polidiots can spin the word "is" fer' Chris' sake. Don't give 'em a word like "granted" or they'll beat you to a bloody pulp with it.

Remember: It isn't a Right if you have to ask PERMISSION.

Posted: 11/11/2005 11:54:54 AM EDT

[#49]

Senator Pryor probably means well, but he shows a lack of basic understanding of Constitutional tenets. If anyone plans on writing him, cite United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1876)...

"The right to bear arms is not granted by the Constitution; neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. The second amendment means no more than that it shall not be infringed by Congress, and has no other effect than to restrict the powers of the national government."

www.guncite.com/court/fed/sc/92us542.html

Posted: 1/5/2006 10:00:22 AM EDT

[#50]

Quoted:
Senator Pryor probably means well, but he shows a lack of basic understanding of Constitutional tenets. If anyone plans on writing him, cite United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1876)...

"The right to bear arms is not granted by the Constitution; neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. The second amendment means no more than that it shall not be infringed by Congress, and has no other effect than to restrict the powers of the national government."

www.guncite.com/court/fed/sc/92us542.html

Couldn't have said it better byself!

I've seen a lot of references to this being an important "distinction," but I think the word we've been looking for, and talking around is 'enumeration.'

The Bill of Rights enumerates certain rights, thus defining them, and in no-uncertain terms, spelling those rights out to Government. The Bill of Rights is like the proverbial line in the sand: "Whatever the government we create does in the future, it absolutely will not be allowed by the people to violate these rights we here write."

I'll cede the point that in the legal arena, the 2nd amendment is the best defense of a right that "predates" the government, but it only works that way legally because the judges who are responsible for interpreting laws understand the distinction between "priveleges granted" and rights enumerated.

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