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Posted: 9/2/2004 4:23:18 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/2/2004 4:24:59 AM EDT
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We must be careful not to get too confident.
EVERY Republican must get out to vote. You cannot sit home and feel like this election is in the bag. It is NOT. Get out and vote and take someone with you!! |
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Posted: 9/2/2004 4:36:46 AM EDT
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I've seen the polls start to shift. I don't rely on polls, but it's still nice to see Bush ahead. I look for the Kerry camp to self destruct about early October. If the Swift Vets come through with what they've been hinting about, it will be the final head shot to the wounded Kerry campaign. It's sort of unique when you consider that despite all the media's efforts, the truth has come out mainly because of the net. I think future campaign managers will concentrate heavily on the internet.
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Posted: 9/2/2004 2:01:58 PM EDT
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Demographics matter more than the polls. People are not voting for Bush & Kerry, they are voting for ideals and political theories. The vote tally wont be much different if Kerry is the candidate or if a a monkey that calls itself a Democrat is running. Those who support the democrats will always vote democrate. Elections are determined by population shifts more than the candidates themselves. the biggest idicators of the 2004 election results are the 2000 election results, the census and the resulting change to the electoral votes. |
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Posted: 9/2/2004 2:30:03 PM EDT
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Here you go... <Personal attack removed.> j/king SGtar15 |
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Posted: 9/2/2004 2:31:31 PM EDT
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I checked my watch...it's 2004. I am thinking Maryland, Vermont, Mass,WI and maybe California SGtar15 |
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Posted: 9/2/2004 2:43:11 PM EDT
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I hope like hell your right. |
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Posted: 9/2/2004 2:44:46 PM EDT
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You Libertarians still holding onto your "principles" crack me up. Since when did LIFE AND LIBERTY get removed from the code of ideals that you live by? You can vote for someone who is doing what he thinks is the best way to protect the freedoms that you enjoy America. Or you can vote for someone who never did give a damn about America or its freedoms. Or you can vote for some OTHER GUY who will play NO role in this election. Hell... you can vote for Zippy The Clown for all I care. But don't pretend that America will be better off come election night because you threw away your vote. The world has changed as of late. Right now, national security is THE issue that matters most. For without that, the economy, the environment, and your precious principles don't mean SH#T. The simple question on this ballot should be, "of these two men, whom do you trust our national security with more?" Pretty black and white to me. And why I think that Dubbya will win. If he does not, then God help us all. I will sadly shake my head in defeat and double the speed of my preparations for the coming collapse...
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Posted: 9/2/2004 2:50:03 PM EDT
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You mean your post or your crackpot conspiracy theory? Either way, you're right, it's a joke that you believe that crap. |
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Posted: 9/2/2004 2:51:23 PM EDT
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I got that feeling just in the last few days and its building
lets just hope W doesn't crap his pants tonite (RNC speech) |
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Posted: 9/2/2004 2:54:53 PM EDT
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Don't take this the wrong way, but that is absolutely the worst thing you can say to a third-party voter. I'm in a swing state and I'm probably voting for Bush at this point, but every time I hear that, it raises my hackles. jafager |
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Posted: 9/2/2004 2:58:04 PM EDT
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You expect Bush to carry New York, Maine, Rhode Island, Connecticut, DC, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, New Jersey? |
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Posted: 9/2/2004 3:01:50 PM EDT
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Of this list of states, Maine and Wisconsin are the only ones I expect Bush has a chance in. |
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Posted: 9/2/2004 3:12:38 PM EDT
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I'm so fanatical about conservative politics, especially RKBA (DUH!), and always vote for whoever is MOST conservative (sometimes while holding my nose), so pardon me asking, but why would that upset you? I took it to mean you and your vote are important. Not exactly a compliment, but an invitation to join the team and do your part to protect the Country from SKerry and his ultra-Liberal agenda. Thanks for any insight. 
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Posted: 9/2/2004 3:20:14 PM EDT
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Just in case you are right . . . we should aquire XM193 by the case and several Beta-Cs each. And plenty of batteries for the weapon lights. Don't sweat or bite nails--aim above the frothing mouth. Front sight--focus-squeeze. Repeat as needed. And don't forget to have fun. |
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Posted: 9/2/2004 3:33:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/2/2004 3:36:12 PM EDT
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You see, the only vote that matters is the one that decides the election. So, in your 10/10 "math problem", voter # 21 has the chance to make the decision one way or another. Yet you think there is something good about voting for someone else who hasn't recieved any other vote. So what do they do after the tie? Well, the 10 R guys and the 10 D guys can go to war, or they can hold another vote and attempt to sway voters to their side. Maybe one side or the other will swing the necessary votes. In the meantime, the guy who voted L threw away his chance of determining the election, just because in his childishness he couldn't accept that neither viable candidate met his ideals. |
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Posted: 9/2/2004 4:00:41 PM EDT
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"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." ~~ Plato (427 BC - 347 BC) |
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Posted: 9/2/2004 4:06:13 PM EDT
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Either Bush or SKerry is GOING to be POTUS, barring the untimely death of the winner. Casting your vote for ANYONE else is "refusing to participate." Dying on principle is still dying. This is not a difficult concept. Methinks you are not here as a sincere member. Not a problem--but you are pissing up a rope in what I think your true motives are.
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Posted: 9/2/2004 4:10:50 PM EDT
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What I'm suggesting is that your solution to the tie situation you described is out-and-out stupid. You had a chance to make a difference, but didn't because your "ideals" got in the way. If the vote was 5 to 15, it wouldn't matter how you voted. But 10 to 10 allows voter # 21 to break the tie: and decide the election. The smart thing is to vote for the guy who is the better choice, even if you think someone else (who has no chance of winning) is actually the better candidate. If you live in a state that is almost certain to swing R or D, it probably doesn't matter who you vote for. You can "make a statement" or stay home and save the gas. But if you are in a "battleground state", you should vote for the guy who matches your opinion closest who has a chance of winning. And forgo making the "statement". edited to add: any vote that doesn't decide the election is "thrown away" (except perhaps as a statement). Consequently, in the November presidental election, any vote not for either Bush or Kerry is a throw away by definition. |
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Posted: 9/2/2004 4:11:30 PM EDT
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Sincere member of what? ARFCOM? Sure I am. I am not here as a sincere member of the GOP though. Well, maybe locally, because my US Rep and Senate candidate have alot of "Goldwater" in them. You hit the nail on the head as far as pisssing up a rope though. Encouraging tolerance for another's veiws is often met with harsh criticism, no matter where it happens. |
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Posted: 9/2/2004 4:33:39 PM EDT
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Awaiting response to my last post.
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Posted: 9/2/2004 4:36:17 PM EDT
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My hope is to one day have the major political contention between Republicans and Libertarians instead of Democraps and Republicans. They only way to achieve that is to vote to get a 100% majority of Republicans. Then the Libertarians can split off and become a contender.
Voting Libertarian is a waste in today's political landscape. Instead, vote to change the landscape. |
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Posted: 9/2/2004 4:37:50 PM EDT
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I understand what you are saying, and perhaps TBK1 came across a bit harsh. He is like that in posts, but in real life he is about as dangerous as a gerbil.  Now, for your stance: Swallow pride and vote Bush. It is Bush or Kerry. If you vote for Bush and a Libertarian or two gets into the Senate or House, you have a MUCH better shot at getting what we REALLY want in office 4-12 years down the road. Libertarians are more aligned with Bush than they think. Many people that join up here thought they were Democrats, until they found out the entire sweep of the Democratic Agenda. They usually turned Libertarian. The best shot at getting a Lib in Office is to get one into the Senate now and keep Bush where he is. If one lives in a "Solid Bush" state (as I do) then you can vote Libertarian to show there is interest in the party, in addition to having it written on your registration. However, in the "Swing States", If you aren't voting for Bush, it is the same as a husband and wife cancelling out each others' votes. You aren't "throwing it away", you ARE making a statement that you do not approve of either candidate. However, there are entirely too many people who will pick one of the TWO CHOICES to basically negate your statement. If a state is split 45/45/10, and 5% of the libertarians choose Kerry and 5% choose to vote their party, then Kerry would take it. Same goes if that 5% voted for Bush. I hope this makes sense, and I apologize for TBK1. |
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Posted: 9/2/2004 4:43:53 PM EDT
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Hmm................ John Titor - Time Traveller Oddity
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Posted: 9/2/2004 4:46:59 PM EDT
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Anyone else getting that Reagan-landslide feeling right now?
Uh no |
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Posted: 9/2/2004 4:47:46 PM EDT
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Ok, a response. Voting for someone is approving of their record, ideals, and motives. If I could cast a vote as a percentage, or a 1-10 approval rating, it would go like this: 0-Kerry. 5-Bush. 9.8-Badnarik. There are things that Bush has done that I dont and wont approve of. And I cant give my support, at least not until Nov.2 when the shit is really headed towards the fan, for what he has done. I am sorry, but when you give me a choice that is ONLY between 2 candidates that develop an equal case of instant-illiteracy when in proximity to the Constitution, I take a third choice and load magazines, or stock up on supplies, or something. Because I cant do the lesser of 2 evils thing. Come Nov. 2, I will see how close they are, and vote accordingly. But if they arent within the margin of error in my state, then I WILL vote Badnarik. Our liberties, gun rights, and over-reaching Orwellian nightmare (coming to a horizon near you) is just too important to throw away on someone whom I believe will make them worse. And thanks, brasspile. |
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Posted: 9/2/2004 4:48:22 PM EDT
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 Thanks for participating, though. |
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Posted: 9/2/2004 4:51:26 PM EDT
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mist,
Talk to the hand.
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Posted: 9/2/2004 4:53:00 PM EDT
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hatrealize more people here shoot and own firearms -- than just the ole boys club here.
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Posted: 9/2/2004 5:01:25 PM EDT
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Actions have consequences. When you do this:
. . . it is unbecoming to whine about the consequences. You are, in effect, getting in the face of the various Bush supporters. You are welcome here, as are all who choose to post within the liberal limits set by the Conduct Code. If you poke a sleeping dog with a stick, expect to get bit--it's just the way of things. If you have thin skin, then I'd suggest staying in the various firearm-related forums, which are, by their nature, technically-oriented and have zero tolerance for the rowdiness of GD. Enjoy the site. Edited to add: Also, when you say, "You guys need to realize . . . <snip>" it means you are coming here and in your SECOND DAY are telling the guys how to post and behave in their long-time "home"?? You're serious?? Life doesn't work that way. If they come to your home and spit on the floor and put their feet on the furniture, and you tell them to please not do that--expect them to say, "You need to realize some people do that--get over yourself." Nice analogy, eh? |
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Posted: 9/2/2004 5:02:53 PM EDT
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If you own and enjoy firearms and still vote for Kerry ... then you're a dumbass. Mist, yep, must be a German name. |
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Posted: 9/2/2004 5:02:55 PM EDT
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No problem. I understand your logic. However you need to consider the number of people that are going to vote for Kerry simply because "He Isn't Bush". That fact in and of itself is throwing wrenches in the proverbial gears of the polls. Unless you have a Solid Comfy Margin to toss your vote to Badnarik, (> 20%), I would play cautious. This is The One election we can't lose! I know that is said every election year, but the divergence of the future is extremely dependent on keeping Democrats out of as many positions of power as possible. HOPEFULLY (and I got all 10 fingers crossed and gonna figure out how to vote 20 times  ), we will rid Daschle from the Senate. He does NOT represent South Dakota anymore, he has been in Washington and California. He has been in South Dakota about as much as Kerry has actually bothered to show up in legislature. A bit more of late, but since there are only 650,000 people in SD, and most all of us Assume the 2nd Amendment is "A Given", and he is against it, it doesn't take a whole bunch of people to change the entire outcome. Thune may not be entirely better, but if he is even marginally "gun neutral", that is much better than an anti-gun Top Kick in Senate.There is much to ponder, and sometimes you need to go against your ideals to acheive the desired outcome, nothing happens overnight. The incremental gun control/bans have slowed and are almost being reversed (in the case of concealed carry). That defense to offense "switch" would reverse again if Democrats get a higher majority in either house, or (ugh) President. |
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Posted: 9/2/2004 5:09:20 PM EDT
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You nearly got it right BeeKeep - Come into a man's home - shit on the floor, dont look surprised when you get a fist, instead of a scotch Luck Alac |
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Posted: 9/2/2004 5:17:06 PM EDT
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This place isn't your HOME as I am here along with others. It is the street in front of your home. In the street I can say what I want, as long as I want, as long as I do not break any laws - sounds like your code of rules. Don't like what I say , ignore it. Others may enjoy the different thought. Oh and when in the street, if I want to spit, I will. May I ask you to get off you high horse. |
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Posted: 9/2/2004 5:18:50 PM EDT
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mist, Do you have a younger sister named rachel, by any chance? I've seen that I'll-act-how-I-please attitude somewhere before.... |
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Posted: 9/2/2004 5:19:15 PM EDT
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Come shit on the sidewalk in front of my home, or start spouting profanity in front of the kids who live around here, and see how long your freedom lasts. |
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Posted: 9/2/2004 5:21:24 PM EDT
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Nice to see that some people have their feet firmly planted in reality. The debates can only help Kerry at this point. Bush needs to really pimp smack him and I don't see Bush's public speaking abilities anything anywhere near "pimp smack" quality. |
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Posted: 9/2/2004 5:21:46 PM EDT
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Maybe not the Reagan landslide, but what I saw Ahhnold do his speech, I started getting a confident winning feeling. He has charisma, and can deliver some battleground states, should he choose to.
No 3 purple hearts evac for Kerry this time: He is going down with his ship. |
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Posted: 9/2/2004 5:22:42 PM EDT
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Sounds french to me. |
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Posted: 9/2/2004 5:24:12 PM EDT
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This website is a privately owned "place." Many here think of it as their "home" on the internet, largely due to its "family" atmosphere. Our hosts (the Avila's) have a set of rules known as the Conduct Code. It is located at the upper right of each page. Everyone is free to post anything they choose--so long as it's within the loose rules of the CC. Responses to whatever is posted is expected, as it's the nature of internet discussion boards. Post away--but expect replies to the things you post. You are not required to "fit in" or conform to whatever image you think you have found here. Oh, I'm quite comfortable upon my "high horse" thank you, but please pardon me for trying to help you. |
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Posted: 9/2/2004 5:27:07 PM EDT
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Profanity -- defecation ? Where ? |
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Posted: 9/2/2004 5:27:23 PM EDT
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Dont forget after AWB is over, Schumer, Feinstein, Boxer, Conyers, et al , are really going to be pissed!
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Posted: 9/2/2004 5:30:01 PM EDT
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It sounds more like your just one of the Bush boys, pushing him on this board. Sorry. I haven't said a darn thing bad about him. I just have talked a little in a mannar that does not fully support him, look at what I get ? Do not attempt to conceal your true intent . Which is to pack up with the Bush crowd. |
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Posted: 9/2/2004 5:30:33 PM EDT
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I'm not that optimistic. A win is a win is a win...
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Posted: 9/2/2004 5:31:38 PM EDT
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Translation: There are things you could say while standing on the street in front of my house that, while legal, would result in several men either chasing you away, or illegally kicking the shit out of you. |
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Posted: 9/2/2004 5:32:55 PM EDT
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Mist,
If you are a gun owner, and democrat, be prepared to be ridiculed here, and be prepared to feel like an outcast. We do NOT suffer fools here any more than we have to. |
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Posted: 9/2/2004 5:35:10 PM EDT
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No it isn't. And everyone realizes it. That's why candidate go to their base in the primaries, and towards the center (and swing voters) in the general election. Basically, politicians try to strike a balance to collect the most votes from those who are reasonably likely to vote for them.
You only get to cast one vote. Depending upon where you live, a vote for Bush might help out during recounts (like in Florida 2000), or it might not matter. A vote for Badnarik is just a statement.
Voting is just a way of selecting a president--it doesn't mean you agree with everything your candidate stands for. If there was a better way of selecting our government, I'd be all for it, but it is just about obtaining the best government possible. Voting ain't about exercising a right, or speaking your mind, or any other such thing. That's why our government--with the electorial system, etc--was set up like it is. It isn't all that important that everyone's vote is equal. What matters is obtaining the best government possible. And frankly, at this point that means another four years of Bush . . . I agree that the Constitution (that is, the BoRs, including the forgotten 10th Amendment) is basically ignored. A Kerry win will only make that worse. We have to work in the world of realpolitic, not the world as we wish it was . . .
If your state is solid for either Bush or Kerry, for all practicle purposes it doesn't matter who you vote for. In that case, make whatever statement you wish . . . |
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Posted: 9/2/2004 5:36:28 PM EDT
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I am normally a really nice guy. So I gotta say, watch yer #6.
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Posted: 9/2/2004 5:39:42 PM EDT
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I see that different views are unwelcome here in GD. I will stay in the technical areas then. Thank you. |
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