[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Honesty. (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 8/17/2004 3:20:22 PM EDT
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Can women deal with it? (poll coming} |
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Cheating is one thing (I don't do it. I don't advocate it). Lying is another. Does this make ass look big? Do you like my hair this way? Do you think (her friends name here) is pretty? How are you going to answer those questions? Are you going to be completely honest? |
My responses in RED. 
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ar15
I think the further you get from the equator, the more "game-oriented" women become. Or maybe it was the Greenwich meridian. Anyway, it was one of those line things, and the further you got from it, the crazier women acted. maybe sgtar15 can clarify... |
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In my experience .................... NO !!!!! Woman want the truth , as do we all . But telling your woman that her ass looks like two bulldogs in a burlap bag , or that her cooking should be declared a Biohazard is never the right choice  Your best defense is to evade , but if cornered ..... LIE ! |
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hmmm, what about dealing with former ladies? this is a terribly, terribly complex question. Why, if two polls in one thread were an option, the second question would be: "Is this the most complex question ever?" and I think we can safely say the response would be at least 85% in the affirmative. |
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Funny, I was just heard a poll on the radio about an hour ago about this. According to this poll, something like 64% of women prefer to be lied to. It was then broken down by question - I wish I could find the results. I, however, prefer the truth. If I am stupid enough to ask you a question, then please be dumb enough to answer it honestly  . I don't usually ask how I look - I have mirrors for that. Besides, that is relative so if I do ask about my appearance it is for an opinion - because I want to look nice for that particular person. I expect honesty at all times - no matter what the subject is! Just as I expect honesty I also expect manners. So in other words be tactful; I hate rudeness. |
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sigh.... Its all in the delivery (as my wonderful wife correctly and repeatedly tells me). Me: "They're just little ones (love handles), hardly noticable" "I probably shouldn't be saying this, but this would be a lot easier if you were a size 2" (she was shopping for a dress) and most recently... "I think you are doing it wrong" (breastfeeding) Say any of those to a man... no BFD. Say them to a woman...  .Women hear with their emotions, men talk rationally. Learn from my mistakes!!!!!!!!! I'm certainly trying. -LS |
Are you talking about sporting girls again? |
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I'm not sure what a sporting girl is anymore... and I'm sure not gonna make any cracks about them being in season, in fact, the more I think about it, the more I try to sort it all out, the hotter the water I get in, so maybe it's just smartest to go back to being a big dumb lummox. |
Former ladies? Did she have a sex change? |
Bring it on!
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Nice ass.  Seriously...I have no problems telling the truth. I just make sure the kevlar is cinched on, and that my insurance is paid up when I say it. I'm not one to mince words or hold back. Well...depending on the situation (saying "THAT FUCKSTICK SET ME UP!" to a supreme court justice, while true, isn't really the accepted decorum of factual exchange).... |
Everyone immediately thinks it's something terrible, ok, here goes - when we were seeing each other she would go on and on (and on and on) about her sister (and her sister's dysfunctional marriage, involving three kids and her sister's ex who ran off with the baby sitter and who REFUSES to take any of the advice her family offersher and so on). I try to be a good listener, but being a guy, am a better problem solver than problem listener, and after a few months, started dropping clues that hearing about the sister's latest disaster was somewhere between root canal and hiri-kiri on my "list of things to do today" and were those hints taken? NOOOoooooooooo, so time passes and we go our separate ways, still remaining friends, and I get this call and it's "how've you been?" etc. etc. and then WHAMMO, right back into tales of the sister and finally I had it and it was time for honesty so it's "no offense, I wish your sister a good life, but I really don't want to spend any more of my time hearing tales about someone who doesn't listen, then creates disasters for herself" and OH BOY WAS THAT THE WRONG THING TO SAY because then I get the outrage & indignation "how can you be so (something something, I was tuning out pretty rapidly at this point)" and after looking at the receiver and heaven knows what pouring out of it non-stop for a good two minutes I thought "this is nuts" hung up the phone and went back down to the garage to get some work done. Later I sent her a short email suggesting that long heartfelt conversations about dysfunctional family members are best shared with other women, an long heartfelt conversations about how much gravel would be needed for a 200' driveway is a great conversation to have with a guy (somehow I don't think she will appreciate the humour, lol) So there you have it: try to give someone some honest advice (which might help them in the future to keep dates from dematerializing on the spot) and I'm the bad guy. Women. 
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I must say, that sounds perfectly acceptable what you said. I would have done the same! I can't stand to sit and listen to someone dribble the same story over and over, especially when it does not involve either party directly. Rumors and gossip are THE WORST, but some ladies tend to live on that BS. This is exactly why I don't participate in any women's groups. The majority of the ladies here don't appear to be the BSing type, so you will find some consistency and comradery in the responses. |
Pardon me for being honest, but: 1) she's your ex so who gives a crap if she hates you? Why are you sweating it? Sure it's nice to get along w/ the ex, but she is the ex for one reason or another. Why does it matter if she's mad at you? 2) if you don't want to listen to her sister's BS, you don't want to listen to it. She has no right to make you feel bad. Does she think you're Dr. Phil or something? If you are just friends, then she should expect the "just friend's treatment" which includes comments like "dudette, I love ya like a sis, but if you talk about your waco family one more time I'm going to shove a hot poker in my ear". 3) What the heck does this have to do with whether women like or can handle the "truth"? If you think about it, you've been LIEING to her by pretending to be interested in her wacky stories and are JUST NOW telling the truth by telling her you're not interested. Maybe she's mad because she's just now finding out that all this time you really couldn't give a rat's behind about her sister. I'd be mad that your sorry backside didn't have the balls to tell me you were bored sensless months ago. But that's just me. Perhaps if you had been tactfully honest in the first place you wouldn't be here right now. Edited to add: "dropping clues" is never a good way to communicate w/ a person.
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I really don't think it's that they can't handle it, but they sure as hell don't want it in most cases. Cheating aside as this shouldn't happen anyway. Those questions about "My ass look big in this?" "Do you think Mary is pretty?" etc. are an entirely different matter. They don't want the truth, they already know it. They want to know if you care enough about them to lie. Those questions are really not about whether her ass looks big or not. All it means is that at this moment she is feeling a bit insecure and she wants reassurance from you. Don't give it to her and shit hits the fan. Not because you were honest, but because you were insensitive. That's generally where men toss their hands up and say WTF? We generally don't read BEHIND the question and make the mistake of taking it at face value. Now of course there are some women that can handle it and do actually want the truth. The problem is that there are sooooo many that don't, it's hard for a guy to distinguish between them. She may come right out and tell you, but then the ones who prefer lying will tell you they want honesty too. So how do you know which one does and which one doesn't? The day I figure that out will probably be the day I meet the Lord. |
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Wife: My boobs are too tiny, don't you think? Husband: No honey  they're great and wonderful. They're perfectly petite.Wife: You're just saying that. I want bigger boobs. Husband: Listen, just rub toilet paper on your breats and they'll get MUCH bigger, you'll see. Wife: How that work? Husband: Not sure, but look what it did to your ass! Ba da bum CHING!!!! Thank you thank you...I'm here through Tuesday. |
Wow, men's logic.... I flat out call you a liar and your response is "women's logic". Try arguing my point for what it is instead of focusing on anatomy. Tell me how suffering through story after story that you didn't want to hear just so you can get some that night is being direct. You were too scared to tell her the truth when booty was on the line and you only have the balls to do it now that the booty is gone anyway. If you had been able to belly up and state your mind like a man in the first place this would have been handled a long time ago and your ears would have been spared. I call 
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Ouch! That's gotta hurt. She hit that one right on. |