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Posted: 2/2/2023 8:16:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Immigrants are natural conservatives." "Mexicans work hard and do the jobs Americans won't." "America is a melting pot and a nation of immigrants." If I had a dollar for every time I heard these statements almost verbatim from boomers... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Baby boomers feel more of an obligation to illegal immigrants than their own kids. In what drug infused dream do you think this shit up? "Immigrants are natural conservatives." "Mexicans work hard and do the jobs Americans won't." "America is a melting pot and a nation of immigrants." If I had a dollar for every time I heard these statements almost verbatim from boomers... One more, but from a GenX'er.... "If you are an adult competing with illegal immigrants, then you have already lost at life" |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 8:29:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You and others like you are why young people overwhelmingly don't vote for conservatives. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: "Conservative" Boomers here in AZ Voted for a cunt who wants to fill kids heads with CRT bullshit, expose them to creepy groomers, wants gun control, help Biden's Open border agenda.... all because the TV Told them Kari Lake and Mark Masters were after their holy SS. MOST OF THESE FUCKING BOOMERS DIDNT EVEN LIVE HERE IN AZ FULL TIME! These assholes will vote for candidates that will pass policies that will cause electricity rates to skyrocket. But since they're all fucking snowbirds... they don't give a shit about the cost of electricity in the summer, since they'll all be gone for the summer.  I fucking hate those fucking worthless Boomer "John McCain Conservatives" I frankly think, if you dont live here during the AZ Summer... you don't get to vote here. If you don't know what its like to pay for AC when its 120 degrees out here, you shouldn't be allowed to vote for ballot measures involving "Green energy". Young Arizona voters delivered wins for Dems in 2022 In 3 straight elections, younger voters have turned out in large numbers to support Democrats https://www.azmirror.com/2022/11/22/young-arizona-voters-delivered-wins-for-dems-in-2022/ This year was a clear example of what a mobilized youth voting bloc can do, she said. Exit polls estimate that 76% of young voters in Arizona who did show up overwhelmingly voted for U.S. Sen. Mark Kelly's reelection bid, and 71% of them cast their ballots for Katie Hobbs in the race for governor. Voting in higher percentage points for Democrats allowed the group to cancel out the influence of the Baby Boomer vote, Tzintz n Ramirez said, and helped them cripple the widely predicted but unsuccessful red wave. You and others like you are why young people overwhelmingly don't vote for conservatives. No, you vote for dems because you are a liberal. dems offer the most free shit and liberals love free shit, period. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 8:31:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One more, but from a GenX'er.... "If you are an adult competing with illegal immigrants, then you have already lost at life" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Baby boomers feel more of an obligation to illegal immigrants than their own kids. In what drug infused dream do you think this shit up? "Immigrants are natural conservatives." "Mexicans work hard and do the jobs Americans won't." "America is a melting pot and a nation of immigrants." If I had a dollar for every time I heard these statements almost verbatim from boomers... One more, but from a GenX'er.... "If you are an adult competing with illegal immigrants, then you have already lost at life" Having such lack of self-awareness of the inherent racism of that very statement, but calling people who want the borders under control "racist". |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 8:32:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One more, but from a GenX'er.... "If you are an adult competing with illegal immigrants, then you have already lost at life" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Baby boomers feel more of an obligation to illegal immigrants than their own kids. In what drug infused dream do you think this shit up? "Immigrants are natural conservatives." "Mexicans work hard and do the jobs Americans won't." "America is a melting pot and a nation of immigrants." If I had a dollar for every time I heard these statements almost verbatim from boomers... One more, but from a GenX'er.... "If you are an adult competing with illegal immigrants, then you have already lost at life" This is very true. If you're competing for these jobs at age 25+, you have failed and can blame yourself. If some of these guys want to go rack chickens at the chicken plant, work sheet rock crews, or do landscaping...they certainly can. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 8:34:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its funny hearing people accuse other people of racism... and then go "Hur dur, you can't compete against an illiterate illegal immigrant? Haha, sorry you're a loser!" Having such lack of self-awareness of the inherent racism of that very statement, but calling people who want the borders under control "racist". Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Baby boomers feel more of an obligation to illegal immigrants than their own kids. In what drug infused dream do you think this shit up? "Immigrants are natural conservatives." "Mexicans work hard and do the jobs Americans won't." "America is a melting pot and a nation of immigrants." If I had a dollar for every time I heard these statements almost verbatim from boomers... One more, but from a GenX'er.... "If you are an adult competing with illegal immigrants, then you have already lost at life" Having such lack of self-awareness of the inherent racism of that very statement, but calling people who want the borders under control "racist". Yes!! RACISS!!!! It was just a matter of time before this was trotted out. Everything is more expensive. It's tough on everyone and it's going to get tougher. This has been recognized repeatedly. So why all the crying and finger pointing? |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 8:37:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its funny hearing people accuse other people of racism... and then go "Hur dur, you can't compete against an illiterate illegal immigrant? Haha, sorry you're a loser!" Having such lack of self-awareness of the inherent racism of that very statement, but calling people who want the borders under control "racist". Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Baby boomers feel more of an obligation to illegal immigrants than their own kids. In what drug infused dream do you think this shit up? "Immigrants are natural conservatives." "Mexicans work hard and do the jobs Americans won't." "America is a melting pot and a nation of immigrants." If I had a dollar for every time I heard these statements almost verbatim from boomers... One more, but from a GenX'er.... "If you are an adult competing with illegal immigrants, then you have already lost at life" Having such lack of self-awareness of the inherent racism of that very statement, but calling people who want the borders under control "racist". No, we say illegal ALIEN. They are criminals, nothing racist about any of it. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 8:41:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes!! RACISS!!!! It was just a matter of time before this was trotted out. Everything is more expensive. It's tough on everyone and it's going to get tougher. This has been recognized repeatedly. So why all the crying and finger pointing? |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 8:45:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, we say illegal ALIEN. They are criminals, nothing racist about any of it. I dont view immigrants as lesser than me. I just think that illegal immigrants have no right to be here... and moreover I think immigration policy should take into consideration the effects of immigration on people who already live here and have to see their labor devalued as a result of it. Its just as racist as those fucking Democrats who say "OH you want to stop illegal immigration? Who's going to clean your toilets!?!" They view them as a servant class to be exploited.... and as a tool to drag down wages. That human turd Mitt Romney even said he wants more immigration, because Americans are being paid too much... 
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Posted: 2/2/2023 8:47:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't go to college. I found another path to a comfortable life. One still available, by the way. But hardly anyone wants to work out in the elements or have a very unconventional schedule anymore, too. ...... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Youngest one is currently a sophomore. Try again, maybe? Show us her tuition statement. How much did it compare to your college tuition? I didn't go to college. I found another path to a comfortable life. One still available, by the way. But hardly anyone wants to work out in the elements or have a very unconventional schedule anymore, too. ...... Yep, a motivated kid right outta high school could probably be making 6 figures within 2-4 years. I found no takers in the pool of 18-25 y/o people I knew that had no career or education plans.  |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 8:50:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If it wasn't for illegal immigration and mass migration... housing prices would be going down as people aren't having as many kids anymore. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yes!! RACISS!!!! It was just a matter of time before this was trotted out. Everything is more expensive. It's tough on everyone and it's going to get tougher. This has been recognized repeatedly. So why all the crying and finger pointing? You think illegal families are buying up starter homes? IME, they live 4 or 5 families per home, typically in the type of residence you wouldn't want to live in. If not that, then shitty apartments you wouldn't want to live in. You can call that observation racist if you want, but its what I see with my own eyes. I guarantee illegals are not taking jobs or homes you want. Alcoholics and methbillies, assuming they want to work, may be getting pushed out of chicken chasing, roofing, or lanscaping...but I assume that isn't you or who we're talking about. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 8:53:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its racist because it implies that Immigrants, in general, are some form of lesser people and therefor you're a loser if your job prospects are negatively affected by mass migration. I dont view immigrants as lesser than me. I just think that illegal immigrants have no right to be here... and moreover I think immigration policy should take into consideration the effects of immigration on people who already live here and have to see their labor devalued as a result of it. Its just as racist as those fucking Democrats who say "OH you want to stop illegal immigration? Who's going to clean your toilets!?!" They view them as a servant class to be exploited.... and as a tool to drag down wages. That human turd Mitt Romney even said he wants more immigration, because Americans are being paid too much... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No, we say illegal ALIEN. They are criminals, nothing racist about any of it. I dont view immigrants as lesser than me. I just think that illegal immigrants have no right to be here... and moreover I think immigration policy should take into consideration the effects of immigration on people who already live here and have to see their labor devalued as a result of it. Its just as racist as those fucking Democrats who say "OH you want to stop illegal immigration? Who's going to clean your toilets!?!" They view them as a servant class to be exploited.... and as a tool to drag down wages. That human turd Mitt Romney even said he wants more immigration, because Americans are being paid too much... Most illegals are entirely unsuited to make it here [financially] if they are from a third world country. We end up paying for them. That isn't being racist in any way, you just don't know what the word means because it's so over used. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 8:55:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You think illegal families are buying up starter homes? IME, they live 4 or 5 families per home, typically in the type of residence you wouldn't want to live in. If not that, then shitty apartments you wouldn't want to live in. You can call that observation racist if you want, but its what I see with my own eyes. I guarantee illegals are not taking jobs or homes you want. Alcoholics and methbillies, assuming they want to work, may be getting pushed out of chicken chasing, roofing, or lanscaping...but I assume that isn't you or who we're talking about. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yes!! RACISS!!!! It was just a matter of time before this was trotted out. Everything is more expensive. It's tough on everyone and it's going to get tougher. This has been recognized repeatedly. So why all the crying and finger pointing? You think illegal families are buying up starter homes? IME, they live 4 or 5 families per home, typically in the type of residence you wouldn't want to live in. If not that, then shitty apartments you wouldn't want to live in. You can call that observation racist if you want, but its what I see with my own eyes. I guarantee illegals are not taking jobs or homes you want. Alcoholics and methbillies, assuming they want to work, may be getting pushed out of chicken chasing, roofing, or lanscaping...but I assume that isn't you or who we're talking about. Birthrates have dropped below replacement levels. If immigration wasn't being ramped up... housing prices would be going down. Mass migration in general, both legal and illegal... has a negative effect on wages overall. This is indisputable. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 8:56:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its funny hearing people accuse other people of racism... and then go "Hur dur, you can't compete against an illiterate illegal immigrant? Haha, sorry you're a loser!" Having such lack of self-awareness of the inherent racism of that very statement, but calling people who want the borders under control "racist". Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Baby boomers feel more of an obligation to illegal immigrants than their own kids. In what drug infused dream do you think this shit up? "Immigrants are natural conservatives." "Mexicans work hard and do the jobs Americans won't." "America is a melting pot and a nation of immigrants." If I had a dollar for every time I heard these statements almost verbatim from boomers... One more, but from a GenX'er.... "If you are an adult competing with illegal immigrants, then you have already lost at life" Having such lack of self-awareness of the inherent racism of that very statement, but calling people who want the borders under control "racist". Really? You inferred ALL of that, maybe the racism is on your part? The advantages you have as a US adult over most illegal immigrants is a better understanding of the US culture, the laws, the business climate, English as a first language, a large existing network of family/friends/co-workers, ability to easily pass background/credit checks, a real SS#, a grounded footprint in the country. If you are getting beat despite all those advantages, yeah maybe I'd be screaming racisms and any other crap to distract from my failures as well. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 9:04:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Really? You inferred ALL of that, maybe the racism is on your part? The advantages you have as a US adult over most illegal immigrants is a better understanding of the US culture, the laws, the business climate, English as a first language, a large existing network of family/friends/co-workers, ability to easily pass background/credit checks, a real SS#, a grounded footprint in the country. If you are getting beat despite all those advantages, yeah maybe I'd be screaming racisms and any other crap to distract from my failures as well. The word illegal should mean something. Like exportation or jail. We allow close to 1,000,000 legal immigrants into the USA every single year. I fully support this. People deciding, they will cross our borders in violation of our laws need to be arrested, sooner better than later. Racism isn't involved in the process unless people think criminals should get a pass based on their ethnicity. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 9:08:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most illegals are entirely unsuited to make it here [financially] if they are from a third world country. We end up paying for them. That isn't being racist in any way, you just don't know what the word means because it's so over used. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: No, we say illegal ALIEN. They are criminals, nothing racist about any of it. I dont view immigrants as lesser than me. I just think that illegal immigrants have no right to be here... and moreover I think immigration policy should take into consideration the effects of immigration on people who already live here and have to see their labor devalued as a result of it. Its just as racist as those fucking Democrats who say "OH you want to stop illegal immigration? Who's going to clean your toilets!?!" They view them as a servant class to be exploited.... and as a tool to drag down wages. That human turd Mitt Romney even said he wants more immigration, because Americans are being paid too much... Most illegals are entirely unsuited to make it here [financially] if they are from a third world country. We end up paying for them. That isn't being racist in any way, you just don't know what the word means because it's so over used. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 9:12:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its funny hearing people accuse other people of racism... and then go "Hur dur, you can't compete against an illiterate illegal immigrant? Haha, sorry you're a loser!" Having such lack of self-awareness of the inherent racism of that very statement, but calling people who want the borders under control "racist". "Illiterate illegal immigrant" is a race now?
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Posted: 2/2/2023 9:13:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The word illegal should mean something. Like exportation or jail. We allow close to 1,000,000 legal immigrants into the USA every single year. I fully support this. People deciding, they will cross our borders in violation of our laws need to be arrested, sooner better than later. Racism isn't involved in the process unless people think criminals should get a pass based on their ethnicity. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Really? You inferred ALL of that, maybe the racism is on your part? The advantages you have as a US adult over most illegal immigrants is a better understanding of the US culture, the laws, the business climate, English as a first language, a large existing network of family/friends/co-workers, ability to easily pass background/credit checks, a real SS#, a grounded footprint in the country. If you are getting beat despite all those advantages, yeah maybe I'd be screaming racisms and any other crap to distract from my failures as well. The word illegal should mean something. Like exportation or jail. We allow close to 1,000,000 legal immigrants into the USA every single year. I fully support this. People deciding, they will cross our borders in violation of our laws need to be arrested, sooner better than later. Racism isn't involved in the process unless people think criminals should get a pass based on their ethnicity. 100% agree with that entire statement. I just don't blame every failure on my part on illegal immigration. 
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Posted: 2/2/2023 9:13:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Really? You inferred ALL of that, maybe the racism is on your part? The advantages you have as a US adult over most illegal immigrants is a better understanding of the US culture, the laws, the business climate, English as a first language, a large existing network of family/friends/co-workers, ability to easily pass background/credit checks, a real SS#, a grounded footprint in the country. If you are getting beat despite all those advantages, yeah maybe I'd be screaming racisms and any other crap to distract from my failures as well. They are more easily exploited, and easier to take advantage of for those very reasons. Even fully legal immigrants are more exploitable than citizens born and raised here. An immigrant is far more likely to allow their boss to get away with illegal employment practices and outright wage theft... that their natural born citizens wouldn't put up with. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 9:20:58 AM EDT
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Nothing like retirement boys. A cup of coffee, the internet at my fingertips, and wondering how to squander some of my daughters inheritance today. Maybe I'll go get a new pair of New Balance in white, and then Chinese lunch. Sounds like a plan.
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Posted: 2/2/2023 9:21:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Immigrants are sought after precisely *BECAUSE OF THEIR LACK OF UNDERSTANDING* of US culture, Laws, Business climate, and all that other jazz. They are more easily exploited, and easier to take advantage of for those very reasons. Even fully legal immigrants are more exploitable than citizens born and raised here. An immigrant is far more likely to allow their boss to get away with illegal employment practices and outright wage theft... that their natural born citizens wouldn't put up with. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Really? You inferred ALL of that, maybe the racism is on your part? The advantages you have as a US adult over most illegal immigrants is a better understanding of the US culture, the laws, the business climate, English as a first language, a large existing network of family/friends/co-workers, ability to easily pass background/credit checks, a real SS#, a grounded footprint in the country. If you are getting beat despite all those advantages, yeah maybe I'd be screaming racisms and any other crap to distract from my failures as well. They are more easily exploited, and easier to take advantage of for those very reasons. Even fully legal immigrants are more exploitable than citizens born and raised here. An immigrant is far more likely to allow their boss to get away with illegal employment practices and outright wage theft... that their natural born citizens wouldn't put up with. So you agree my point stands then.
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Posted: 2/2/2023 9:37:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you agree my point stands then. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Really? You inferred ALL of that, maybe the racism is on your part? The advantages you have as a US adult over most illegal immigrants is a better understanding of the US culture, the laws, the business climate, English as a first language, a large existing network of family/friends/co-workers, ability to easily pass background/credit checks, a real SS#, a grounded footprint in the country. If you are getting beat despite all those advantages, yeah maybe I'd be screaming racisms and any other crap to distract from my failures as well. They are more easily exploited, and easier to take advantage of for those very reasons. Even fully legal immigrants are more exploitable than citizens born and raised here. An immigrant is far more likely to allow their boss to get away with illegal employment practices and outright wage theft... that their natural born citizens wouldn't put up with. So you agree my point stands then. I'm against open borders... I'm against bringing in people who devalue the wages of people already struggling here. I'm against the importation of people, by people who see those people as nothing more than a way to suppress wages and take advantage of people. Mitt Fucking Romney, FFS, even said the quiet part outloud by literally saying we need to open up the borders because poorer Americans are making too much money and we need immigration to bring wages down. Most politicians aren't socially retarded like Mitt Romney, and would have framed it in a much different way. But he just comes out an says exactly what the purpose of mass migration is... to suppress wages, and impoverish America even further. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 9:37:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One more, but from a GenX'er.... "If you are an adult competing with illegal immigrants, then you have already lost at life" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Baby boomers feel more of an obligation to illegal immigrants than their own kids. In what drug infused dream do you think this shit up? "Immigrants are natural conservatives." "Mexicans work hard and do the jobs Americans won't." "America is a melting pot and a nation of immigrants." If I had a dollar for every time I heard these statements almost verbatim from boomers... One more, but from a GenX'er.... "If you are an adult competing with illegal immigrants, then you have already lost at life" Now do legal immigration and H1B visas. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 9:53:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Now do legal immigration and H1B visas. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Baby boomers feel more of an obligation to illegal immigrants than their own kids. In what drug infused dream do you think this shit up? "Immigrants are natural conservatives." "Mexicans work hard and do the jobs Americans won't." "America is a melting pot and a nation of immigrants." If I had a dollar for every time I heard these statements almost verbatim from boomers... One more, but from a GenX'er.... "If you are an adult competing with illegal immigrants, then you have already lost at life" Now do legal immigration and H1B visas. I've been in the IT industry for 36 years. Still applies if you're willing to put in the effort to stay ahead of the curve. I've been told I'll be replaced in a couple of years for the last 3 decades.  But good job moving the goal post of excuses. 
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Posted: 2/2/2023 9:53:47 AM EDT
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1950-2000 was simply a great economic period for the United States, but Americans collectively ate their seed corn. Hell, not just ate it, but borrowed against future crops. The Chinese are going through a similar thing right now.
On the other hand, Norway has been a good steward of its new found wealth after it discovered oil in 1969, so there’s certainly a cultural component to it. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 9:56:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, you vote for dems because you are a liberal. dems offer the most free shit and liberals love free shit, period. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 10:55:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've been in the IT industry for 36 years. Still applies if you're willing to put in the effort to stay ahead of the curve. I've been told I'll be replaced in a couple of years for the last 3 decades. But good job moving the goal post of excuses. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Baby boomers feel more of an obligation to illegal immigrants than their own kids. In what drug infused dream do you think this shit up? "Immigrants are natural conservatives." "Mexicans work hard and do the jobs Americans won't." "America is a melting pot and a nation of immigrants." If I had a dollar for every time I heard these statements almost verbatim from boomers... One more, but from a GenX'er.... "If you are an adult competing with illegal immigrants, then you have already lost at life" Now do legal immigration and H1B visas. I've been in the IT industry for 36 years. Still applies if you're willing to put in the effort to stay ahead of the curve. I've been told I'll be replaced in a couple of years for the last 3 decades. But good job moving the goal post of excuses. I’ve been in IT for 20 years and make over six figures. My performance reviews have never been less than outstanding, and I have yet to get less than the max yearly raise at any organization I’ve worked for. I have survived every round of layoffs at the various companies I’ve worked for. I have trained international first tier support teams in Brazil and India to replace Americans. My individual track record of success isn’t what we’re talking about though. We’re taking about the population level effects of importing cheap labor to depress wages and drive up costs for US citizens. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 10:57:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Keep making assumptions, but no. He never talked about "his" inheritance. It wasn't an extremely valuable property or anything like that and likely wouldn't have done anything for my friend.... Besides, my friend is well off... and he has several siblings. Had the inheritance been split between his uncles, and then his brothers... the amount he would have POSSIBLY had passed on to him would have been miniscule. A drop in the bucket for him. An amount of money he wouldn't have given a shit about. It was the principle of a man choosing to leave everything to some illegal immigrant he was friends with, rather than his own kids... Granted... his grandpa was a bit of a scoundrel, and didn't lead an honest life (in and out of prison) and was absent from my friend's dad's childhood (which was probably for the best, from the stories my friend heard from his dad's step-brothers... who WERE unfortunately raised by him) I guess grandpa, in his old age, mellowed out... but still never cared much for his own kids, and ended up leaving them nothing... instead leaving it to his illegal immigrant friend. My friend's dad somehow managed to become a decent, hard working devout Christian man, despite having such a terrible example for a father. I wouldn’t care much for my kids if all they saw was dollar signs |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 11:08:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've been in IT for 20 years and make over six figures. My performance reviews have never been less than outstanding, and I have yet to get less than the max yearly raise at any organization I've worked for. I have survived every round of layoffs at the various companies I've worked for. I have trained international first tier support teams in Brazil and India to replace Americans. My individual track record of success isn't what we're talking about though. We're taking about the population level effects of importing cheap labor to depress wages and drive up costs for US citizens. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Baby boomers feel more of an obligation to illegal immigrants than their own kids. In what drug infused dream do you think this shit up? "Immigrants are natural conservatives." "Mexicans work hard and do the jobs Americans won't." "America is a melting pot and a nation of immigrants." If I had a dollar for every time I heard these statements almost verbatim from boomers... One more, but from a GenX'er.... "If you are an adult competing with illegal immigrants, then you have already lost at life" Now do legal immigration and H1B visas. I've been in the IT industry for 36 years. Still applies if you're willing to put in the effort to stay ahead of the curve. I've been told I'll be replaced in a couple of years for the last 3 decades. But good job moving the goal post of excuses. I've been in IT for 20 years and make over six figures. My performance reviews have never been less than outstanding, and I have yet to get less than the max yearly raise at any organization I've worked for. I have survived every round of layoffs at the various companies I've worked for. I have trained international first tier support teams in Brazil and India to replace Americans. My individual track record of success isn't what we're talking about though. We're taking about the population level effects of importing cheap labor to depress wages and drive up costs for US citizens. So you're special and no other person can do the exact same thing? Y'all keep telling us how bad it is, except for everyone in this thread that have somehow overcome the evils of immigration to be successful? Hint: Anyone can do it if they really want to. Curious how immigrants simultaneously cause depressed wages AND inflation? |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 11:09:45 AM EDT
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Red states should enact a tax on out of state buyers, LLCs and Corps at 300% above appraised value. Tax doesn't apply to state residents. Out of state owners of property pay property taxes at 300% rate.
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Posted: 2/2/2023 11:12:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing like retirement boys. A cup of coffee, the internet at my fingertips, and wondering how to squander some of my daughters inheritance today. Maybe I'll go get a new pair of New Balance in white, and then Chinese lunch. Sounds like a plan. Enjoy |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 11:13:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One more, but from a GenX'er.... "If you are an adult competing with illegal immigrants, then you have already lost at life" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Baby boomers feel more of an obligation to illegal immigrants than their own kids. In what drug infused dream do you think this shit up? "Immigrants are natural conservatives." "Mexicans work hard and do the jobs Americans won't." "America is a melting pot and a nation of immigrants." If I had a dollar for every time I heard these statements almost verbatim from boomers... One more, but from a GenX'er.... "If you are an adult competing with illegal immigrants, then you have already lost at life" "Hah, you deserve to get replaced by illegals!" It's like some of you guys really do deliberately want to lose. I wouldn't believe it if I didn't constantly see absurdities like this posted here constantly. And, no, I'm not in an industry where I'm at risk of getting outcompeted by illegals. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 11:17:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Republicans aren’t really much better with deficits trucking along year after year. Now debt exceeds 100% GDP. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No, you vote for dems because you are a liberal. dems offer the most free shit and liberals love free shit, period. So honestly, what do you expect us to do about it? For years the Republicans campaigned on fiscal discipline and reform. Then as soon as they got elected they went on spending sprees for their pet causes. Do they even bother to talk about deficits and debt anymore? |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 11:20:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, you vote for dems because you are a liberal. dems offer the most free shit and liberals love free shit, period. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: "Conservative" Boomers here in AZ Voted for a cunt who wants to fill kids heads with CRT bullshit, expose them to creepy groomers, wants gun control, help Biden's Open border agenda.... all because the TV Told them Kari Lake and Mark Masters were after their holy SS. MOST OF THESE FUCKING BOOMERS DIDNT EVEN LIVE HERE IN AZ FULL TIME! These assholes will vote for candidates that will pass policies that will cause electricity rates to skyrocket. But since they're all fucking snowbirds... they don't give a shit about the cost of electricity in the summer, since they'll all be gone for the summer. I fucking hate those fucking worthless Boomer "John McCain Conservatives" I frankly think, if you dont live here during the AZ Summer... you don't get to vote here. If you don't know what its like to pay for AC when its 120 degrees out here, you shouldn't be allowed to vote for ballot measures involving "Green energy". Young Arizona voters delivered wins for Dems in 2022 In 3 straight elections, younger voters have turned out in large numbers to support Democrats https://www.azmirror.com/2022/11/22/young-arizona-voters-delivered-wins-for-dems-in-2022/ This year was a clear example of what a mobilized youth voting bloc can do, she said. Exit polls estimate that 76% of young voters in Arizona who did show up overwhelmingly voted for U.S. Sen. Mark Kelly's reelection bid, and 71% of them cast their ballots for Katie Hobbs in the race for governor. Voting in higher percentage points for Democrats allowed the group to cancel out the influence of the Baby Boomer vote, Tzintz n Ramirez said, and helped them cripple the widely predicted but unsuccessful red wave. You and others like you are why young people overwhelmingly don't vote for conservatives. No, you vote for dems because you are a liberal. dems offer the most free shit and liberals love free shit, period.  Attached FileI've never once voted Dem, which is a trend that's going to continue indefinitely. However, I'm capable of understanding cause and effect. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 11:23:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wouldn't care much for my kids if all they saw was dollar signs Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Keep making assumptions, but no. He never talked about "his" inheritance. It wasn't an extremely valuable property or anything like that and likely wouldn't have done anything for my friend.... Besides, my friend is well off... and he has several siblings. Had the inheritance been split between his uncles, and then his brothers... the amount he would have POSSIBLY had passed on to him would have been miniscule. A drop in the bucket for him. An amount of money he wouldn't have given a shit about. It was the principle of a man choosing to leave everything to some illegal immigrant he was friends with, rather than his own kids... Granted... his grandpa was a bit of a scoundrel, and didn't lead an honest life (in and out of prison) and was absent from my friend's dad's childhood (which was probably for the best, from the stories my friend heard from his dad's step-brothers... who WERE unfortunately raised by him) I guess grandpa, in his old age, mellowed out... but still never cared much for his own kids, and ended up leaving them nothing... instead leaving it to his illegal immigrant friend. My friend's dad somehow managed to become a decent, hard working devout Christian man, despite having such a terrible example for a father. I wouldn't care much for my kids if all they saw was dollar signs If his dad had donated it all to a worthy charity, his dad likely wouldn't have had an issue with it. Funny you empathize with the Boomer, even after I told that the boomer dad was a literal scoundrel who literally led a life of crime and was either absent from his kids life or downright abusive towards his other kids. But Boomers gonna Boom. The Boomer who spends his entire life a criminal, womanizer, and child abuser... is better than his son who became an honest hard working family man. But then again, you and other Boomers in this thread are even defending the Boomers who demanded lockdowns. Next you'll be defending Joe Biden... and telling us how he's so much better than any Gen X or Millennial politician no matter what their political party because Boomer Uber Alles. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 11:25:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The CRUX of this whole thread? I don't know, I'd say the Crux of the thread is this: *Generational Wealth improves the quality of life for a family tree from generation to generation *2/3 of the baby-boomer generation received an inheritance; median value in 2007 was $64,000 (meaning 49.9% received more than that) Inflation adjusted for 2022: $90,400 SOURCE *Despite 2/3 receiving an inheritance, many baby-boomers express that "Everything I have I earned!" *Many (not all) baby boomers express that they can't/won't pass anything down to their children, thus breaking the chain of generation wealth *Many (not all) baby boomers call gen-x/millenial/gen-z lazy whiners for pointing out this fact Which of these statements do you disagree with? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's the crux of the whole thread. Point out where you challenged it. The CRUX of this whole thread? I don't know, I'd say the Crux of the thread is this: *Generational Wealth improves the quality of life for a family tree from generation to generation *2/3 of the baby-boomer generation received an inheritance; median value in 2007 was $64,000 (meaning 49.9% received more than that) Inflation adjusted for 2022: $90,400 SOURCE *Despite 2/3 receiving an inheritance, many baby-boomers express that "Everything I have I earned!" *Many (not all) baby boomers express that they can't/won't pass anything down to their children, thus breaking the chain of generation wealth *Many (not all) baby boomers call gen-x/millenial/gen-z lazy whiners for pointing out this fact Which of these statements do you disagree with? But there are a few things here that could be put into context: 1) *Generational Wealth improves the quality of life for a family tree from generation to generation Absolutely and it takes MANY forms, not just cold hard cash. 2) *2/3 of the baby-boomer generation received an inheritance; median value in 2007 was $64,000 (meaning 49.9% received more than that) Inflation adjusted for 2022: $90,400 SOURCE In the context of the life of the youngest Baby Boomer, someone who is 58 years old today, has most likely made an amount in their life that would DWARF that $90k. If the boomer guy started a relatively modest job at 18, and started out in the lower wages of $12k, and only gained 5% every year for promotions, COLA, etc, by today he would be earning about $84,500 and had earned for himself a total exceeding $1.5 million in his life. That $90k is a relatively paltry sum by comparison, equivalent to one year of salary in his later years. This $1.5 million was used to pay bills, taxes, and to make investments and to build wealth. Unless there was something unusual going on, our young boomer would probably have received this 90k relatively recently in the grand scheme of things. He likely would have already paid off his home, raised his kids, and was stepping into the most lucrative years of his life to really sock it away. 3) *Despite 2/3 receiving an inheritance, many baby-boomers express that "Everything I have I earned!" I'm not sure that anybody can truthfully say that they earned everything they had. Almost everyone receives gifts and a start in life, no matter how small. Anything helps, but getting a minor 6% kick in from a parent isn't life changing. It might however make a big difference to someone right on the margins, struggling because of some bad decision or personal disaster. 4) *Many (not all) baby boomers express that they can't/won't pass anything down to their children, thus breaking the chain of generation wealth Many people say a lot of things, but what matters is what they actually do. I bet that by the time Baby Boomers are mostly gone, they will indeed have passed along a lot of wealth along to their kids. I bet it will be more than $90k in today's dollars too. It just hasn't happened in a big way yet. 5) *Many (not all) baby boomers call gen-x/millenial/gen-z lazy whiners for pointing out this fact Well, the video in the OP was what started it off and was kinda whiny. It is also a fact that many Gen-Xers and Millennials are more interested in when they will get "the money" then worrying about earning their own money. I also don't believe this is a generational thing. I think it's a personality thing. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 11:25:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Hah, you deserve to get replaced by illegals!" It's like some of you guys really do deliberately want to lose. I wouldn't believe it if I didn't constantly see absurdities like this posted here constantly. And, no, I'm not in an industry where I'm at risk of getting outcompeted by illegals. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Baby boomers feel more of an obligation to illegal immigrants than their own kids. In what drug infused dream do you think this shit up? "Immigrants are natural conservatives." "Mexicans work hard and do the jobs Americans won't." "America is a melting pot and a nation of immigrants." If I had a dollar for every time I heard these statements almost verbatim from boomers... One more, but from a GenX'er.... "If you are an adult competing with illegal immigrants, then you have already lost at life" "Hah, you deserve to get replaced by illegals!" It's like some of you guys really do deliberately want to lose. I wouldn't believe it if I didn't constantly see absurdities like this posted here constantly. And, no, I'm not in an industry where I'm at risk of getting outcompeted by illegals. Hah, we aren't the people on here whining about everyone and everything for our failures. 
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Posted: 2/2/2023 11:27:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It wasn't about the money. I already told you. His dad was upset because the idea of his father leaving everything to an illegal immigrant, rather than to his own kids... is like a slap in the face. If his dad had donated it all to a worthy charity, his dad likely wouldn't have had an issue with it. Funny you empathize with the Boomer, even after I told that the boomer dad was a literal scoundrel who literally led a life of crime and was either absent from his kids life or downright abusive towards his other kids. But Boomers gonna Boom. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Keep making assumptions, but no. He never talked about "his" inheritance. It wasn't an extremely valuable property or anything like that and likely wouldn't have done anything for my friend.... Besides, my friend is well off... and he has several siblings. Had the inheritance been split between his uncles, and then his brothers... the amount he would have POSSIBLY had passed on to him would have been miniscule. A drop in the bucket for him. An amount of money he wouldn't have given a shit about. It was the principle of a man choosing to leave everything to some illegal immigrant he was friends with, rather than his own kids... Granted... his grandpa was a bit of a scoundrel, and didn't lead an honest life (in and out of prison) and was absent from my friend's dad's childhood (which was probably for the best, from the stories my friend heard from his dad's step-brothers... who WERE unfortunately raised by him) I guess grandpa, in his old age, mellowed out... but still never cared much for his own kids, and ended up leaving them nothing... instead leaving it to his illegal immigrant friend. My friend's dad somehow managed to become a decent, hard working devout Christian man, despite having such a terrible example for a father. I wouldn't care much for my kids if all they saw was dollar signs If his dad had donated it all to a worthy charity, his dad likely wouldn't have had an issue with it. Funny you empathize with the Boomer, even after I told that the boomer dad was a literal scoundrel who literally led a life of crime and was either absent from his kids life or downright abusive towards his other kids. But Boomers gonna Boom. It’s funny how you think a single anecdotal example is representative of everyone in a single generation and has never been seen in anyone outside of that generation. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 11:29:08 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So you're special and no other person can do the exact same thing? Y'all keep telling us how bad it is, except for everyone in this thread that have somehow overcome the evils of immigration to be successful? Hint: Anyone can do it if they really want to. Curious how immigrants simultaneously cause depressed wages AND inflation? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Baby boomers feel more of an obligation to illegal immigrants than their own kids. In what drug infused dream do you think this shit up? "Immigrants are natural conservatives." "Mexicans work hard and do the jobs Americans won't." "America is a melting pot and a nation of immigrants." If I had a dollar for every time I heard these statements almost verbatim from boomers... One more, but from a GenX'er.... "If you are an adult competing with illegal immigrants, then you have already lost at life" Now do legal immigration and H1B visas. I've been in the IT industry for 36 years. Still applies if you're willing to put in the effort to stay ahead of the curve. I've been told I'll be replaced in a couple of years for the last 3 decades. But good job moving the goal post of excuses. I've been in IT for 20 years and make over six figures. My performance reviews have never been less than outstanding, and I have yet to get less than the max yearly raise at any organization I've worked for. I have survived every round of layoffs at the various companies I've worked for. I have trained international first tier support teams in Brazil and India to replace Americans. My individual track record of success isn't what we're talking about though. We're taking about the population level effects of importing cheap labor to depress wages and drive up costs for US citizens. So you're special and no other person can do the exact same thing? Y'all keep telling us how bad it is, except for everyone in this thread that have somehow overcome the evils of immigration to be successful? Hint: Anyone can do it if they really want to. Curious how immigrants simultaneously cause depressed wages AND inflation? Again, this isn’t about me. I’m not special. Neither is anyone in this thread. Lots of people have the ability to do what I do. The idea that I can’t be replaced is fantasy. I’ve done it to other people and enabled companies to do it to entire work groups. That’s the point. I not stupid enough to believe the fairytale that you can import an entire city’s worth of people a year and not crater a country. You’re curious how importing millions of people who will accept less pay but also drive up competition for goods depresses wages and also drives inflation? You’re serious? |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 11:29:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hah, we aren't the people on here whining about everyone and everything for our failures. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Baby boomers feel more of an obligation to illegal immigrants than their own kids. In what drug infused dream do you think this shit up? "Immigrants are natural conservatives." "Mexicans work hard and do the jobs Americans won't." "America is a melting pot and a nation of immigrants." If I had a dollar for every time I heard these statements almost verbatim from boomers... One more, but from a GenX'er.... "If you are an adult competing with illegal immigrants, then you have already lost at life" "Hah, you deserve to get replaced by illegals!" It's like some of you guys really do deliberately want to lose. I wouldn't believe it if I didn't constantly see absurdities like this posted here constantly. And, no, I'm not in an industry where I'm at risk of getting outcompeted by illegals. Hah, we aren't the people on here whining about everyone and everything for our failures. Just like clockwork... When called out for their shitty behavior and views, the default of boomers and the boomer-lite is to accuse the other person of blaming them for their failures. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 11:30:45 AM EDT
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Left home at 17 to join US Navy! Nothing but a comb in my pocket, everything was given to younger brothers. 8 years in USN and decorated Vietnam Veteran. Night school for 9 years after service to attain College Degree! Come try to take what I have earned!!!!!!
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Posted: 2/2/2023 11:37:00 AM EDT
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Left home at 17 to join US Navy! Nothing but a comb in my pocket, everything was given to younger brothers. 8 years in USN and decorated Vietnam Veteran. Night school for 9 years after service to attain College Degree! Come try to take what I have earned!!!!!!
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Posted: 2/2/2023 11:37:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just like clockwork... When called out for their shitty behavior and views, the default of boomers and the boomer-lite is to accuse the other person of blaming them for their failures. Whiners be whiney  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 11:39:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Left home at 17 to join US Navy! Nothing but a comb in my pocket, everything was given to younger brothers. 8 years in USN and decorated Vietnam Veteran. Night school for 9 years after service to attain College Degree! Come try to take what I have earned!!!!!! No one in this thread is coming for your stuff. That’s not what it’s about. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 11:41:26 AM EDT
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Quote History[b]Quoted: Curious how immigrants simultaneously cause depressed wages AND inflation? I hate that I have to type this out: 1.Depressed Wages: Greater Supply of workers allows for lower wages to be paid. 2. Greater Demand (Houses, for example) causes higher prices (Rental and Purchase). These are not contradictions. Both can happen simultaneously, and they do. Immigration causes More wealth for the Haves, while making the lower middle class even poorer. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 11:44:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Hah, you deserve to get replaced by illegals!" It's like some of you guys really do deliberately want to lose. I wouldn't believe it if I didn't constantly see absurdities like this posted here constantly. And, no, I'm not in an industry where I'm at risk of getting outcompeted by illegals. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Baby boomers feel more of an obligation to illegal immigrants than their own kids. In what drug infused dream do you think this shit up? "Immigrants are natural conservatives." "Mexicans work hard and do the jobs Americans won't." "America is a melting pot and a nation of immigrants." If I had a dollar for every time I heard these statements almost verbatim from boomers... One more, but from a GenX'er.... "If you are an adult competing with illegal immigrants, then you have already lost at life" "Hah, you deserve to get replaced by illegals!" It's like some of you guys really do deliberately want to lose. I wouldn't believe it if I didn't constantly see absurdities like this posted here constantly. And, no, I'm not in an industry where I'm at risk of getting outcompeted by illegals. Yes. There are people that suck at life. It does not mean they won’t work hard or try or attempt to be productive. They don’t have the brains to be a doctor, engineer, comp sci, finance degree and real MBA, They screw up too much to be an electrician or plumber or don’t have the guts to be a lineman. They are totally fine with tossing bales of hay or shoveling shit, they can drive a skidder and drag trees out of the woods, or package chicken on a line, etc. Fifty years ago someone could have dropped out of HS and done one of those things. That entry level manual labor has had prices suppressed by illegal labor. That whole swath of society has now disproportionately been sucked up into non-productive welfare, SSDI, smoking meth, snorting oxy demographics. This has major negative impacts to society as a whole and affects each of us. And if you look at graphs, the last 50-60 years have seen a massive shift and change in the curves of growth by income percentile. While they’re housing, etc. costs have proportionally increased. This is what happens at the end stage/fall of an empire. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 11:45:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's funny how you think a single anecdotal example is representative of everyone in a single generation and has never been seen in anyone outside of that generation. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 11:46:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hate that I have to type this out: 1.Depressed Wages: Greater Supply of workers allows for lower wages to be paid. 2. Greater Demand (Houses, for example) causes higher prices (Rental and Purchase). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Curious how immigrants simultaneously cause depressed wages AND inflation? I hate that I have to type this out: 1.Depressed Wages: Greater Supply of workers allows for lower wages to be paid. 2. Greater Demand (Houses, for example) causes higher prices (Rental and Purchase). 
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Posted: 2/2/2023 11:48:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I absolutely hate jumping into these threads umpteen pages later. But there are a few things here that could be put into context: 1) *Generational Wealth improves the quality of life for a family tree from generation to generation Absolutely and it takes MANY forms, not just cold hard cash. 2) *2/3 of the baby-boomer generation received an inheritance; median value in 2007 was $64,000 (meaning 49.9% received more than that) Inflation adjusted for 2022: $90,400 SOURCE In the context of the life of the youngest Baby Boomer, someone who is 58 years old today, has most likely made an amount in their life that would DWARF that $90k. If the boomer guy started a relatively modest job at 18, and started out lower wages of $12km, and only gained 5% every year for promotions, COLA, etc, by today he would be earning about $84,500 and had earned for himself a total exceeding $1.5 million in his life. That $90k is a relatively paltry sum by comparison, equivalent to one year of salary in his later years. This $1.5 million was used to pay bills, taxes, and to make investments and to build wealth. Unless there was something unusual going on, our young boomer would probably have received this 90k relatively recently in the grand scheme of things. He likely would have already paid off his home, raised his kids, and was stepping into the most lucrative years of his life to really sock it away. 3) *Despite 2/3 receiving an inheritance, many baby-boomers express that "Everything I have I earned!" I'm not sure that anybody can truthfully say that they earned everything they had. Almost everyone receives gifts and a start in life, no matter how small. Anything helps, but getting a minor 6% kick in from a parent isn't life changing. It might however make a big difference to someone right on the margins, struggling because of some bad decision or personal disaster. 4) *Many (not all) baby boomers express that they can't/won't pass anything down to their children, thus breaking the chain of generation wealth Many people say a lot of things, but what matters is what they actually do. I bet that by the time Baby Boomers are mostly gone, they will indeed have passed along a lot of wealth along to their kids. I bet it will be more than $90k in today's dollars too. It just hasn't happened in a big way yet. 5) *Many (not all) baby boomers call gen-x/millenial/gen-z lazy whiners for pointing out this fact Well, the video in the OP was what started it off and was kinda whiny. It is also a fact that many Gen-Xers and Millennials are more interested in when they will get "the money" then worrying about earning their own money. I also don't believe this is a generational thing. I think it's a personality thing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's the crux of the whole thread. Point out where you challenged it. The CRUX of this whole thread? I don't know, I'd say the Crux of the thread is this: *Generational Wealth improves the quality of life for a family tree from generation to generation *2/3 of the baby-boomer generation received an inheritance; median value in 2007 was $64,000 (meaning 49.9% received more than that) Inflation adjusted for 2022: $90,400 SOURCE *Despite 2/3 receiving an inheritance, many baby-boomers express that "Everything I have I earned!" *Many (not all) baby boomers express that they can't/won't pass anything down to their children, thus breaking the chain of generation wealth *Many (not all) baby boomers call gen-x/millenial/gen-z lazy whiners for pointing out this fact Which of these statements do you disagree with? But there are a few things here that could be put into context: 1) *Generational Wealth improves the quality of life for a family tree from generation to generation Absolutely and it takes MANY forms, not just cold hard cash. 2) *2/3 of the baby-boomer generation received an inheritance; median value in 2007 was $64,000 (meaning 49.9% received more than that) Inflation adjusted for 2022: $90,400 SOURCE In the context of the life of the youngest Baby Boomer, someone who is 58 years old today, has most likely made an amount in their life that would DWARF that $90k. If the boomer guy started a relatively modest job at 18, and started out lower wages of $12km, and only gained 5% every year for promotions, COLA, etc, by today he would be earning about $84,500 and had earned for himself a total exceeding $1.5 million in his life. That $90k is a relatively paltry sum by comparison, equivalent to one year of salary in his later years. This $1.5 million was used to pay bills, taxes, and to make investments and to build wealth. Unless there was something unusual going on, our young boomer would probably have received this 90k relatively recently in the grand scheme of things. He likely would have already paid off his home, raised his kids, and was stepping into the most lucrative years of his life to really sock it away. 3) *Despite 2/3 receiving an inheritance, many baby-boomers express that "Everything I have I earned!" I'm not sure that anybody can truthfully say that they earned everything they had. Almost everyone receives gifts and a start in life, no matter how small. Anything helps, but getting a minor 6% kick in from a parent isn't life changing. It might however make a big difference to someone right on the margins, struggling because of some bad decision or personal disaster. 4) *Many (not all) baby boomers express that they can't/won't pass anything down to their children, thus breaking the chain of generation wealth Many people say a lot of things, but what matters is what they actually do. I bet that by the time Baby Boomers are mostly gone, they will indeed have passed along a lot of wealth along to their kids. I bet it will be more than $90k in today's dollars too. It just hasn't happened in a big way yet. 5) *Many (not all) baby boomers call gen-x/millenial/gen-z lazy whiners for pointing out this fact Well, the video in the OP was what started it off and was kinda whiny. It is also a fact that many Gen-Xers and Millennials are more interested in when they will get "the money" then worrying about earning their own money. I also don't believe this is a generational thing. I think it's a personality thing. If he rolled that into an IRA or some other retirement accounts...say 10 years into his career... that $90K is going to boost his initial investment and cause massive implications for his networth at retirement because of the compounding interest. If he got the inheritance at retirement age... then I'd agree with you. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 11:48:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hate that I have to type this out: 1.Depressed Wages: Greater Supply of workers allows for lower wages to be paid. 2. Greater Demand (Houses, for example) causes higher prices (Rental and Purchase). Quote HistoryQuoted: [b]Quoted: Curious how immigrants simultaneously cause depressed wages AND inflation? I hate that I have to type this out: 1.Depressed Wages: Greater Supply of workers allows for lower wages to be paid. 2. Greater Demand (Houses, for example) causes higher prices (Rental and Purchase). Add in the increased cost of insurance for increased DUIs/uninsured motorists accidents, the overwhelmed local schools with a flood a new students and increased property taxes to fund it, the low end portion of the citizen labor market that used to employ roofers, etc. now on SSDI and welfare, plus stealing shit from your garage or sawing off your catalytic converter, etc., and the ERs/hospitals flooded with non paying non-citizens- And you can possibly start grasping the negative impacts to us. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 11:49:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's funny how you think a single anecdotal example is representative of everyone in a single generation and has never been seen in anyone outside of that generation. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Keep making assumptions, but no. He never talked about "his" inheritance. It wasn't an extremely valuable property or anything like that and likely wouldn't have done anything for my friend.... Besides, my friend is well off... and he has several siblings. Had the inheritance been split between his uncles, and then his brothers... the amount he would have POSSIBLY had passed on to him would have been miniscule. A drop in the bucket for him. An amount of money he wouldn't have given a shit about. It was the principle of a man choosing to leave everything to some illegal immigrant he was friends with, rather than his own kids... Granted... his grandpa was a bit of a scoundrel, and didn't lead an honest life (in and out of prison) and was absent from my friend's dad's childhood (which was probably for the best, from the stories my friend heard from his dad's step-brothers... who WERE unfortunately raised by him) I guess grandpa, in his old age, mellowed out... but still never cared much for his own kids, and ended up leaving them nothing... instead leaving it to his illegal immigrant friend. My friend's dad somehow managed to become a decent, hard working devout Christian man, despite having such a terrible example for a father. I wouldn't care much for my kids if all they saw was dollar signs If his dad had donated it all to a worthy charity, his dad likely wouldn't have had an issue with it. Funny you empathize with the Boomer, even after I told that the boomer dad was a literal scoundrel who literally led a life of crime and was either absent from his kids life or downright abusive towards his other kids. But Boomers gonna Boom. It's funny how you think a single anecdotal example is representative of everyone in a single generation and has never been seen in anyone outside of that generation. |
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