User Panel
User Panel
User Panel
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 8:30:28 AM EDT
[#1]
Meanwhile on my beat
"Hey man it's pretty cold outside, you doing okay?" *Ignores me* "Have a nice day", get 10-8. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 8:37:46 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The “community caretaker” doctrine has been expanded to allow arrests? Tell us more? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Under the "community caretaker" doctrine there is a responsibility to care for those unable to care for themselves. So they could be beholden to a guy in a t-shirt in certain circumstances. Not saying that was the case in this instance, but in others there might be. The “community caretaker” doctrine has been expanded to allow arrests? Tell us more? Please don't conflate the two. There was most certainly a caretaker responsibility to check on some guy walking down the street in a t-shirt in snow. However, as soon as it's ascertained that the guy is not in any emotional, mental or physical distress, which would be figured out inside of ten seconds, the contact should have been ended. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 8:44:17 AM EDT
[#3]
walking while black....
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 8:45:17 AM EDT
[#4]
Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Most people have first hand experience with traffic stops and don't need to rely on Youtube videos to form an opinion. And so most people know traffic stops exist mainly for two reasons - a pretext for looking for contraband/warrants or a revenue raising operation. I'm a middle aged white guy who's normally wearing business clothes and my limited interaction with the police generally has not been positive. So I can imagine how much worse it is for a black teenager. In the last 10 years, I've been pulled over twice. Once I got a warning, once I got a summons. Both times, the cops were professional and courteous, and I was courteous right back. I can't help but feel like you might have something to do with your interactions being so negative. Maybe you're being a dick? I don't know. @runcible What factors beyond the law should cops be allowed to reference when they themselves decide to turn up the pressure , unnecessarily throw around their power, or be rude, or be condescending themselves? Is it okay to do that because the person is wearing a blue shirt and the cop's favorite color is green? Is it okay to do that because the person has a Team X bumper sticker and the cop is a fan of Team Y? is it okay because the person is of faith A and the cop is of faith B? How about 'cultural' differences? If the cop was raised strict Mormon and swearing wasn't tolerated, but the person pulled over grew up watching Andrew Dice Clay, and every third word from his mouth is a swearword - does that make it okay? To me, behavior that is lawful even if the cop doesn't particularly care for it should not impact how the cop interacts with people. This phenomenon comes into play in car stops all the time. Like I said, I've been pulled over twice in 10 years, and once I only got a warning. In that instance, I was guilty of the traffic infraction that the officer pulled me over for. If the cop had written me, I'd have just paid the ticket. Further more, I guarantee you, the cop that pulled me over has written people summonses for doing exactly what I did. And yet... I only got a warning. Now, let's rewind the tape. The cop approaches my window, and I say, "What are you pulling me over for, fuck shoes? Don't you have any real criminals to catch?" Probably not getting off with just a warning. The phenomenon also works the other way. In the neighborhood where I worked, the people were rude, hostile, and combative almost as a rule. If I pulled someone over (rare, in and of itself) and they were polite, I most likely wasn't going to write them. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 8:50:38 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I am not a cop. Further more I give zero fucks on what you think or have to say. 1. Yet you are responding to him.  2. Police officers can lie to citizens without any blowback. Point #1 indicates you are clearly lying, which lends to the idea you are a cop.  ...and yeah, from your entry into this thread you "picked" a side. Question for you: Did the police do the right thing in this instance? If yes - ok. If no, at what specific point did they cross the line? |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 8:54:35 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Under the "community caretaker" doctrine there is a responsibility to care for those unable to care for themselves. So they could be beholden to a guy in a t-shirt in certain circumstances. Not saying that was the case in this instance, but in others there might be. But not kidnapped kids?  Get the fuck outta here with that warped shit. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 8:55:28 AM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Except for the lord I suppose. Quote HistoryQuoted: . No I just quoted single instead of quote all. Jesus fucking Christ all I was asking for was for people to have a bit more respect. Except for the lord I suppose. 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 8:57:48 AM EDT
[#8]
Cops dont like being told you dont want to talk to them, because that ends their fishing expedition.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 9:05:35 AM EDT
[#9]
The problem is that the cart is full. There is no good way to own or do anything in this country today without upsetting the cart. You can protect people all you want to and the big majority will take advantage of you. T shirt should have just dropped the racial chip if he was not hiding anything. He acted like he just read the King George playbook and need a little fame. Being cordial most always pays off. T Shirt is walking with a shroud that his own people created and the same goes for the Police. Don't look for things to get any better anytime soon. Just pray the economy don't fail with the current attitude of people today, no telling what will happen.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 9:10:11 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When you are cold as hell and just trying to get home, stopping to talk to ANYONE tends to piss you off, especially when the other person is ordering you to stand around because of some BS ''we care about you'' speech. Oh, and I hope the Karen who called ran into a telephone pole while trying to call the cops. If she was Sooooooo worried about the guy, why didn't SHE offer to drive him home? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We're gonna protect you and serve you whether you like it or not! Worry about the guy being cold. Tackle him down into the snow.  Cops were out of line from the onset. Dude could've been a little more cooperative but cops over re-acted. When you are cold as hell and just trying to get home, stopping to talk to ANYONE tends to piss you off, especially when the other person is ordering you to stand around because of some BS ''we care about you'' speech. Oh, and I hope the Karen who called ran into a telephone pole while trying to call the cops. If she was Sooooooo worried about the guy, why didn't SHE offer to drive him home? |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 9:34:50 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't give a shit either way but reading what I bolded wouldn't a sane person be like "officer could you give me a ride home in your warm car since you stopped me?" Accepting the offer of a ride home would have almost certainly led to a patdown/search followed by a request for ID. Everything is a fishing expedition. I don't blame the kid for just wanting to be left alone. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 9:40:34 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There was a thread here about a woman who was out for a walk. a Texas cop came up to her and started bothering her. She figured he was a perv so she ran away, he tackled her and arrested her for walking in the street, or walking on the wrong side . He then claimed he thought this suburban lady out for a walk "was a lookout for a burglary ring" There was much defense of charging people for walking the wrong way on the edge of the road as a "investigative technique" "I do that all the time" WTF. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 9:56:07 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Im starting to see why black people hate the police. Meh...in 87% of these circumstances the cop is just an asshole, not a racist IMO. The difference is when a white guy gets harrassed by a cop he says "that guy was an asshole." When a black guy gets harrassed by a cop he says "that guy was a racist." |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 10:01:30 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You aright you don't have to talk. I don't see why telling people to eff off is a polite thing to do. Much of the time if you are polite to people things will go much better. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If I'm not committing a crime and I tell you to eff off, then eff off. You can talk to me all you'd like. I don't have to answer. Luckily being rude isn't against the law. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 10:13:28 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't give a shit either way but reading what I bolded wouldn't a sane person be like "officer could you give me a ride home in your warm car since you stopped me?" Wow I'm not sure you meant that comment to be funny... But that is hilarious...?????? You think the average black dude is going to ask a cop for a ride home because he got stopped.... ?????? Wow!!!! |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 10:24:11 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Great! There isn’t a law. Then I guess there wasn’t a reason to stop the kid either seeing how he wasn’t committing a crime. I guess in my mind if a crime is or has been committed then either write the ticket or arrest; if you’re not going to do that then don’t bother stopping the person. Pretty simple, really. I would include "inform the person they are or have committed a crime but let them off with a warning" but otherwise agree with this. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 10:50:46 AM EDT
[#17]
Good grief. Blue squad does it again.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 10:51:37 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh...in 87% of these circumstances the cop is just an asshole, not a racist IMO. The difference is when a white guy gets harrassed by a cop he says "that guy was an asshole." When a black guy gets harrassed by a cop he says "that guy was a racist." "Black on White" is never assumed to be racially motivated. "White on Black" is *always* assumed to be racially motivated. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 12:06:22 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The problem is that the cart is full. There is no good way to own or do anything in this country today without upsetting the cart. You can protect people all you want to and the big majority will take advantage of you. T shirt should have just dropped the racial chip if he was not hiding anything. He acted like he just read the King George playbook and need a little fame. Being cordial most always pays off. T Shirt is walking with a shroud that his own people created and the same goes for the Police. Don't look for things to get any better anytime soon. Just pray the economy don't fail with the current attitude of people today, no telling what will happen. The cops was clearly in the wrong and your defending them. Thats not doing them any favors. If they dont get their pee pee slapped they'll continue to do it until they eventually kill someone for not bowing low enough. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 12:11:12 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, let's be honest, that's how it is with *everything* in America. "Black on White" is never assumed to be racially motivated. "White on Black" is *always* assumed to be racially motivated. I keep telling people, imagine all the assholes you meet...then realize if you were black they would be racists instead. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 12:19:42 PM EDT
[#21]
I’m supposed to believe that the police were just trying to check on the poor kid to make sure he was physically and mentally not a danger to himself. Yet100’s of thousands of homeless, who are clearly mentally and/or physically compromised are avoided like the plague daily by the police.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 1:08:32 PM EDT
[#22]
Had to watch the vid again with all this "he was rude" talk.
No he wasn't fucking rude in the beginning. He just told them he was good and leave me alone. Fuck every single one of those kidnapping ass fucks, and you gotta be a special kind of fucking shit stick to defend it. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 1:10:56 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: T shirt should have just dropped the racial chip if he was not hiding anything. He acted like he just read the King George playbook and need a little fame. Quote HistoryQuoted: T shirt should have just dropped the racial chip if he was not hiding anything. He acted like he just read the King George playbook and need a little fame. Mr Reese just wanted to go home. He didn't have a "racial chip", he had a "leave me alone" chip. He acted like "I wanna go home", because he did. Being cordial most always pays off. But it shouldnt have to. Do your fucking job the right way, everytime. Consistent. T Shirt is walking with a shroud that his own people created and the same goes for the Police. Mr Reese seemed to be walking in the shroud of "I just pulled 16 hours at Walmart, its cold outside, I want to go home". He wasnt doing anything wrong, he was cold, tired, and wanted to go home. Don't look for things to get any better anytime soon. Just pray the economy don't fail with the current attitude of people today, no telling what will happen. They wont, as long as people continue to not mind their own fucking business and feel the need to interject the man in other people's lives, and their own. With all that red on your ass, maybe its time go be a firefighter. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 3:32:45 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Meanwhile on my beat "Hey man it's pretty cold outside, you doing okay?" *Ignores me* "Have a nice day", get 10-8. Thank you for being decent. Many cops are, and we need more of you. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 6:32:08 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So being a dick is the correct way to talk to people? |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 8:02:42 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't give a shit either way but reading what I bolded wouldn't a sane person be like "officer could you give me a ride home in your warm car since you stopped me?" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: We're gonna protect you and serve you whether you like it or not! Worry about the guy being cold. Tackle him down into the snow. Cops were out of line from the onset. Dude could've been a little more cooperative but cops over re-acted. When you are cold as hell and just trying to get home, stopping to talk to ANYONE tends to piss you off, especially when the other person is ordering you to stand around because of some BS ''we care about you'' speech. Oh, and I hope the Karen who called ran into a telephone pole while trying to call the cops. If she was Sooooooo worried about the guy, why didn't SHE offer to drive him home? 1. ID first 2. searched first. [any cop that's a cop is going to search you before you get in his car] 3. a couple minutes from home, quicker to walk then to jump thru hoops. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 9:05:31 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 1. ID first 2. searched first. [any cop that's a cop is going to search you before you get in his car] 3. a couple minutes from home, quicker to walk then to jump thru hoops. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: We're gonna protect you and serve you whether you like it or not! Worry about the guy being cold. Tackle him down into the snow. Cops were out of line from the onset. Dude could've been a little more cooperative but cops over re-acted. When you are cold as hell and just trying to get home, stopping to talk to ANYONE tends to piss you off, especially when the other person is ordering you to stand around because of some BS ''we care about you'' speech. Oh, and I hope the Karen who called ran into a telephone pole while trying to call the cops. If she was Sooooooo worried about the guy, why didn't SHE offer to drive him home? 1. ID first 2. searched first. [any cop that's a cop is going to search you before you get in his car] 3. a couple minutes from home, quicker to walk then to jump thru hoops. "Don't invite the man into your life." |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 10:41:05 PM EDT
[#28]
 |
|
|
Win a FREE Membership!
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.
