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Posted: 2/23/2021 11:07:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There isn't a law. I didn't talk about a law. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Funny you left out your own quote from my post. A person walking out in at our e near cold in north Texas with a T-shirt on will get talked to. You said that. Why would they get talked to? I'll ask again. Is there a law against walking in, at, or near record cold? You must be talking about a law since doing that gets a talking to. Oh no law? Then I guess there's no reason to get talked to is there? @m35ben I see you are using the cowardly tactic of not including your original quote when you respond, so people have to go dig for for it You said: Quoted: I don't get the outrage here. A person walking out in at or near record cold in north Texas with a T-shirt on will get talked to. Well you DID talk about a law. Because there's a law that says why people can be detained, and being 'talked to' isn't lawful. And if you are going to stand and talk AT someone and they are going to ignore you and just keep on walking, that's not 'getting talked to'. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 11:12:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: See no one messes with Asians  Ever heard of Asian privilege? It’s real |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 11:12:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Their actions were stupid. However, this place and society in general gets all wrapped up over videos. It's as if because they can see some events that are ridiculous enough to gather attention that the entire world operates that way all the time. It's a bizarre emotional reaction resulting in binary on off sort of thinking that isn't unique to this place. Ironically it's often the core of what people here complain about when referring to social media when it's a different topic. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Thanks for proving my point. Their actions were stupid. However, this place and society in general gets all wrapped up over videos. It's as if because they can see some events that are ridiculous enough to gather attention that the entire world operates that way all the time. It's a bizarre emotional reaction resulting in binary on off sort of thinking that isn't unique to this place. Ironically it's often the core of what people here complain about when referring to social media when it's a different topic. That's because for a really long time people were saying cops were doing terrible thing X, Y and Z...and no one believed them. Now, we have video proof that the cops are doing terrible things. And yet cops are frequently still caught lying. Including in court. And they aren't getting charged for perjury like they should be! And/or falsifying official documents! |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 11:13:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @m35ben I see you are using the cowardly tactic of not including your original quote when you respond, so people have to go dig for for it You said: Quoted: I don't get the outrage here. A person walking out in at or near record cold in north Texas with a T-shirt on will get talked to. Well you DID talk about a law. Because there's a law that says why people can be detained, and being 'talked to' isn't lawful. And if you are going to stand and talk AT someone and they are going to ignore you and just keep on walking, that's not 'getting talked to'. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 11:14:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dude I am living rent free in your head. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Tell me if you hear your name enough times, if not I can repeat so you can feel important in case it is your day off.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpFftAYbjUwI notice a lot of cops use that phrase. I am guessing you were all trained to say that. Along with training to yelli 'stop resisting' and 'he's going for my gun!' no matter what is actually going on. Hell, a cop could tackle a mannequin and he'd be yelling 'Stop resisting! It's going for my gun!' |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 11:16:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you two want this thread locked? Because I think this is how you get a thread locked. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I bet you are stroking yourself to me right now. Do you two want this thread locked? Because I think this is how you get a thread locked. Well, now we know for sure how deviant Ben is. But also, yes, cops like to get threads that show them in a bad light locked. That's the purpose of him coming in here and attacking people rather than discussing the issue. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 11:17:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's because for a really long time people were saying cops were doing terrible thing X, Y and Z...and no one believed them. Now, we have video proof that the cops are doing terrible things. And yet cops are frequently still caught lying. Including in court. And they aren't getting charged for perjury like they should be! And/or falsifying official documents! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Thanks for proving my point. Their actions were stupid. However, this place and society in general gets all wrapped up over videos. It's as if because they can see some events that are ridiculous enough to gather attention that the entire world operates that way all the time. It's a bizarre emotional reaction resulting in binary on off sort of thinking that isn't unique to this place. Ironically it's often the core of what people here complain about when referring to social media when it's a different topic. That's because for a really long time people were saying cops were doing terrible thing X, Y and Z...and no one believed them. Now, we have video proof that the cops are doing terrible things. And yet cops are frequently still caught lying. Including in court. And they aren't getting charged for perjury like they should be! And/or falsifying official documents! It's really quite tragic that cops started abusing people's rights and harassing them without reason immediately after they all got body cams. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 11:17:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I notice a lot of cops use that phrase. I am guessing you were all trained to say that. Along with training to yelli 'stop resisting' and 'he's going for my gun!' no matter what is actually going on. Hell, a cop could tackle a mannequin and he'd be yelling 'Stop resisting! It's going for my gun!' |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 11:17:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No I just quoted single instead of quote all. Jesus fucking Christ all I was asking for was for people to have a bit more respect. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @m35ben I see you are using the cowardly tactic of not including your original quote when you respond, so people have to go dig for for it You said: Quoted: I don't get the outrage here. A person walking out in at or near record cold in north Texas with a T-shirt on will get talked to. Well you DID talk about a law. Because there's a law that says why people can be detained, and being 'talked to' isn't lawful. And if you are going to stand and talk AT someone and they are going to ignore you and just keep on walking, that's not 'getting talked to'. What's more disrespectful? Ignoring someone talking to you, or kidnapping a man? |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 11:18:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank Christ. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I was in law enforcement for a little over 26 years and there's a reason black people are scrutinized more heavily; they statistically commit more crime. Sorry if that pisses off the many libs here but it's a proven fact. Thank Christ. That's true. However, even when given extra scrutiny to the man walking in the road because he's black, there's STILL nothing there to justify a detention. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 11:23:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It doesn't take much evolution to stop yourself from typing "Police don't investigate crimes anymore". It's ignorant as saying no trash services run anymore becuse they forgot to stop at your house this week. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: He was black so they figured there was a chance he had a warrant. Had it been a white guy they would have cruised on past. Exactly this. Police don't investigate crimes anymore, they just fuck with people who look guilty to fish for warrants Here's a good example of the emotional binary response.  You believe you're so highly evolved that it is beneath you to type on opinion on a video, but you type your fingers bloody trying to get anyone to notice how evolved you think you are by having an opinion on other people's opinions. Most neckbeard shit I've ever seen. Do you greet women with M'lady as well? It doesn't take much evolution to stop yourself from typing "Police don't investigate crimes anymore". It's ignorant as saying no trash services run anymore becuse they forgot to stop at your house this week. Well, except for the problem that there have been a lot of anecdotes discussing that very fact, even among police. And there have been a lot of articles written about that. AND there have been a lot of statistical studies that have backed up that claim. Things like how many non-drug crimes actually get solved (answer - pretty much none) and when looking at serious crimes, how many times when there's no reward to calls providing information get logged, average number of people canvased on crimes, etc all are bottoming out. Although there has been an increase of cops checking out social media. Generally they aren't investigating a crime, they are instead just casting a wide net hoping to see some evidence of any crime. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 11:38:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is that your fantasy or something? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Imagine being a patient in a hospital and the police come into your hospital room and arrest you. Except you're not the person they're looking for, don't look anything like them, and the cops aren't even at the right hospital. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWe9qapXgmYIs that your fantasy or something? Are you off your medication again? |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 11:38:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I really don't care. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 11:39:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't get the outrage here. A person walking out in at or near record cold in north Texas with a T-shirt on will get talked to. If he had rolled back the attitude he would have gone home. It’s that last part, the attitude thing. Having a bad attitude and running your mouth isn’t basis for an arrest. You’re right, which is why most of us could have done the same thing (walking in the cold) and been fine. Because we don’t walk around with an openly adversarial FTP attitude. But when your walking around with a chip on your shoulder and you run into a thin skinned cop, there’s a halfway decent chance your gonna...be collecting a check...particularly in this political climate. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 11:41:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By @akodo: I see you are using the cowardly tactic of <sn> Please back off with the insults. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 11:48:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It wasn't their job to take care of him. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Correct me if I'm wrong, but the government did take care of that young man, just not legally, so what exactly is your point? It wasn't their job to take care of him. And yet the government tried to take care of him, and couldn't accept the answer that he just wanted to be left alone, so they 'took care of him' by harassing him, forcing an incident, and throwing him in jail. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 11:51:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s that last part, the attitude thing. Having a bad attitude and running your mouth isn’t basis for an arrest. You’re right, which is why most of us could have done the same thing (walking in the cold) and been fine. Because we don’t walk around with an openly adversarial FTP attitude. But when your walking around with a chip on your shoulder and you run into a thin skinned cop, there’s a halfway decent chance your gonna...be collecting a check...particularly in this political climate. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't get the outrage here. A person walking out in at or near record cold in north Texas with a T-shirt on will get talked to. If he had rolled back the attitude he would have gone home. It’s that last part, the attitude thing. Having a bad attitude and running your mouth isn’t basis for an arrest. You’re right, which is why most of us could have done the same thing (walking in the cold) and been fine. Because we don’t walk around with an openly adversarial FTP attitude. But when your walking around with a chip on your shoulder and you run into a thin skinned cop, there’s a halfway decent chance your gonna...be collecting a check...particularly in this political climate. Sometimes free men don't want to doff the cap to the kingsmen. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 11:55:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This was covered in the video, and as a Northerner I can confirm. After a snowstorm, when the streets are plowed and the sidewalks haven't been shoveled, you walk in the street. Because there's really no other option. Not sure why anyone would think this was a big deal unless they were looking for any excuse to defend cops. Big deal in what way? For cops to check on the guy? Or for cops to arrest the guy? There a significant escalation in probable cause between the former to the latter. Dressed inappropriate for the weather and walking in the middle of the street is going to garner a justifiable contact at least. What happens from contact on is a different story. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 11:58:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I spent most of my life in the Northeast. Walking down the street in the snow, wearing just a T-shirt wasn't "normal behavior" where I lived. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So what is normal behavior in most of the nation is considered a stoppable offense in Texas because you rarely get snow.... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/322205/retardedsir_jpg-1838307.JPG *laughs in Colorado* |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 11:59:27 PM EDT
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So, what was the reason for the seizure?
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Posted: 2/24/2021 12:00:50 AM EDT
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So now not wearing a clothing suitable to the weather is reason for a stop? Jesus.
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Posted: 2/24/2021 12:02:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Im starting to see why black people hate the police. It's not a black thing. Plenty of police abuse to all races. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 12:04:50 AM EDT
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I've read the whole thread and am amazed the two most rabid defenders of police (LEOs themselves) no matter how egregious the act or behavior have not come in to defend the police in this thread. That either says something or it's just a coincidence.
Either way the cops in this case fucked up, the victim didn't, and hopefully he gets paid while the cops are fired and can't work in LE again (yeah right huh). |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 12:07:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So now not wearing a clothing suitable to the weather is reason for a stop? Jesus. You're also expected to walk through 3 feet of snow piled up on the sidewalk. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 12:07:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually the cops were sued for violating the woman's right to due process. And the courts ruled that the state's failure to protect an individual from violence by a private citizen is not a violation of the Due Process Clause. It's not the governments fault if someone is the the victim of a crime. The government protects society as a whole and isn't beholden to individuals unless a special relationship exists. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A lady had a messy divorce and got a restraining order against her husband. Her husband kidnapped her daughters. She called the cops. They did nothing. She went to the station to plead with the cops. They did nothing. The dad killed the 3 daughters and then drove to the Police Department where he did suicide-by-cop. Cops were sued for not enforcing the restraining order and not acting on the kidnapping report. (BTW, the case is Castlerock v Gonzlez) It's not the governments fault if someone is the the victim of a crime. The government protects society as a whole and isn't beholden to individuals unless a special relationship exists. Yup, so they sure as hell aren't beholden to a man who chooses to wear a T-shirt while walking in the snow. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 12:14:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How are you getting that conclusion from my answer? Have you been using any drugs today? Bennie asked a simple question, and I answered with my opinion. I dont believe walking around and being a dick is the correct way to talk to people. Do you? 1. I absolutely dont think it should be illegal. How would you even enforce that? 2. Cops need to take whatever verbal abuse and ass hat behavior they recieve, up until a crime is committed, with a smile on their faces. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unreal. Nope. Being polite will get you a long way in this world. So you are saying it should be illegal to be rude? That cops should dole out more punishment if someone isn't polite enough to meet their tastes? How are you getting that conclusion from my answer? Have you been using any drugs today? Bennie asked a simple question, and I answered with my opinion. I dont believe walking around and being a dick is the correct way to talk to people. Do you? 1. I absolutely dont think it should be illegal. How would you even enforce that? 2. Cops need to take whatever verbal abuse and ass hat behavior they recieve, up until a crime is committed, with a smile on their faces. Because why even bring it up in regards to an unlawful detention? I believe in wearing a jacket in the snow, fresh underwear daily, and being polite to people WHO DESERVED IT. When a telemarketer calls, I don't say 'I'm sorry, I'm not interested' I say 'CLICK' as I hang up - which is absolutely rude. When someone comes knocking at my door trying to sell me boxes of frozen steaks, or to seal my driveway, ignoring my 'no solicitation' signs, I say 'Fuck Off' Same thing if I was walking home and some cops come over. No need to be polite. The fact that you were giving 'advice' about being polite in the context of that interaction absolutely did imply that you thought it was relevant to how law enforcement interacted with the individual. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 12:16:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because why even bring it up in regards to an unlawful detention? I believe in wearing a jacket in the snow, fresh underwear daily, and being polite to people WHO DESERVED IT. When a telemarketer calls, I don't say 'I'm sorry, I'm not interested' I say 'CLICK' as I hang up - which is absolutely rude. When someone comes knocking at my door trying to sell me boxes of frozen steaks, or to seal my driveway, ignoring my 'no solicitation' signs, I say 'Fuck Off' Same thing if I was walking home and some cops come over. No need to be polite. The fact that you were giving 'advice' about being polite in the context of that interaction absolutely did imply that you thought it was relevant to how law enforcement interacted with the individual. The fact that politeness is even being discussed in this situation is fucked up to begin with. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 12:18:02 AM EDT
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Watched it. Absolutely ridiculous.
The cops should be fired. Doubt they will be. Actually no, they should be fired and prosecuted. Still think they will stand up for your rights and the Constitution 
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Posted: 2/24/2021 12:20:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Virtually all cops do this with alarming regularity. Attitude during an investigation is a huge factor on how shit is going to fall when there's room for wiggle one way or the other. Even in cases where a cop where say they don't do this, I'd bet a million dollars they do it subconsciously and don't even realize it. It's human nature. Nice people get the carrot, dick heads get the stick. That said, in a perfect world, telling a cop to fuck off during a welfare check should pretty much end the encounter. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unreal. Nope. Being polite will get you a long way in this world. So you are saying it should be illegal to be rude? That cops should dole out more punishment if someone isn't polite enough to meet their tastes? Attitude during an investigation is a huge factor on how shit is going to fall when there's room for wiggle one way or the other. Even in cases where a cop where say they don't do this, I'd bet a million dollars they do it subconsciously and don't even realize it. It's human nature. Nice people get the carrot, dick heads get the stick. That said, in a perfect world, telling a cop to fuck off during a welfare check should pretty much end the encounter. Yea, and if you swear at your waiter he might spit in your food - which is a crime. If I was at a store and I paid for a $8.99 item with a $20, and I said 'fucking hurry up' the cashier wouldn't be able to keep some of my change in retaliation. Well they could, but that would be a crime. If my bank teller didn't like that I was wearing a shirt that said 'Fuck the Federal Reserve' they'd not be able to slap me with false overdraft charges. Well, they could, but that would be a crime. Yes, cops absolutely DO that. And they get away with it. But in the rest of the world when you are doing your job you don't get to harm people just because of your own personal grudges or displeasures. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 12:23:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No I just quoted single instead of quote all. Jesus fucking Christ all I was asking for was for people to have a bit more respect. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @m35ben I see you are using the cowardly tactic of not including your original quote when you respond, so people have to go dig for for it You said: Quoted: I don't get the outrage here. A person walking out in at or near record cold in north Texas with a T-shirt on will get talked to. Well you DID talk about a law. Because there's a law that says why people can be detained, and being 'talked to' isn't lawful. And if you are going to stand and talk AT someone and they are going to ignore you and just keep on walking, that's not 'getting talked to'. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 12:23:06 AM EDT
[#31]
Defund now!
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Posted: 2/24/2021 12:23:33 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's really quite tragic that cops started abusing people's rights and harassing them without reason immediately after they all got body cams. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Thanks for proving my point. Their actions were stupid. However, this place and society in general gets all wrapped up over videos. It's as if because they can see some events that are ridiculous enough to gather attention that the entire world operates that way all the time. It's a bizarre emotional reaction resulting in binary on off sort of thinking that isn't unique to this place. Ironically it's often the core of what people here complain about when referring to social media when it's a different topic. That's because for a really long time people were saying cops were doing terrible thing X, Y and Z...and no one believed them. Now, we have video proof that the cops are doing terrible things. And yet cops are frequently still caught lying. Including in court. And they aren't getting charged for perjury like they should be! And/or falsifying official documents! It's really quite tragic that cops started abusing people's rights and harassing them without reason immediately after they all got body cams. lol! |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 12:24:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am not a cop. Further more I give zero fucks on what you think or have to say. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I notice a lot of cops use that phrase. I am guessing you were all trained to say that. Along with training to yelli 'stop resisting' and 'he's going for my gun!' no matter what is actually going on. Hell, a cop could tackle a mannequin and he'd be yelling 'Stop resisting! It's going for my gun!' If that was true you would have just shrugged and gone about your life. But you chose to reply. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 12:25:30 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Defund now! Agreed. They have been showing their loyalties ever since Covid in a big way. And it isn't for the people or the constitution. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 12:27:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The fact that politeness is even being discussed in this situation is fucked up to begin with. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Because why even bring it up in regards to an unlawful detention? I believe in wearing a jacket in the snow, fresh underwear daily, and being polite to people WHO DESERVED IT. When a telemarketer calls, I don't say 'I'm sorry, I'm not interested' I say 'CLICK' as I hang up - which is absolutely rude. When someone comes knocking at my door trying to sell me boxes of frozen steaks, or to seal my driveway, ignoring my 'no solicitation' signs, I say 'Fuck Off' Same thing if I was walking home and some cops come over. No need to be polite. The fact that you were giving 'advice' about being polite in the context of that interaction absolutely did imply that you thought it was relevant to how law enforcement interacted with the individual. The fact that politeness is even being discussed in this situation is fucked up to begin with. Yup. Back in the day when people use to mail checks to the IRS, I know lots of people who in the memo would write something like 'fuck taxes' or 'fuck the IRS' when they sent it in. Can you imagine people saying 'when you sent your check to the IRS, make sure you write a nice little note in the memo section about how much you appreciate the IRS, or they might go out of their way to harm you' |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 12:28:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No I just quoted single instead of quote all. Jesus fucking Christ all I was asking for was for people to have a bit more respect. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @m35ben I see you are using the cowardly tactic of not including your original quote when you respond, so people have to go dig for for it You said: Quoted: I don't get the outrage here. A person walking out in at or near record cold in north Texas with a T-shirt on will get talked to. Well you DID talk about a law. Because there's a law that says why people can be detained, and being 'talked to' isn't lawful. And if you are going to stand and talk AT someone and they are going to ignore you and just keep on walking, that's not 'getting talked to'. Really? Let's rewind that just a little bit to what you first posted: "I don't get the outrage here. A person walking out in at or near record cold in north Texas with a T-shirt on will get talked to. If he had rolled back the attitude he would have gone home." You just said "all I was asking for was for people to have a bit more respect" (my emphasis). Yet your first post referenced just the "person walking out in at or near record cold in north Texas with a T-shirt on". Not "people". Just T-Shirt Man. Police are people. Do you think the police in this encounter should have rolled their attitude back and had a bit more respect? |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 12:35:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup, so they sure as hell aren't beholden to a man who chooses to wear a T-shirt while walking in the snow. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: A lady had a messy divorce and got a restraining order against her husband. Her husband kidnapped her daughters. She called the cops. They did nothing. She went to the station to plead with the cops. They did nothing. The dad killed the 3 daughters and then drove to the Police Department where he did suicide-by-cop. Cops were sued for not enforcing the restraining order and not acting on the kidnapping report. (BTW, the case is Castlerock v Gonzlez) It's not the governments fault if someone is the the victim of a crime. The government protects society as a whole and isn't beholden to individuals unless a special relationship exists. Yup, so they sure as hell aren't beholden to a man who chooses to wear a T-shirt while walking in the snow. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 12:49:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No I just quoted single instead of quote all. Jesus fucking Christ all I was asking for was for people to have a bit more respect. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @m35ben I see you are using the cowardly tactic of not including your original quote when you respond, so people have to go dig for for it You said: Quoted: I don't get the outrage here. A person walking out in at or near record cold in north Texas with a T-shirt on will get talked to. Well you DID talk about a law. Because there's a law that says why people can be detained, and being 'talked to' isn't lawful. And if you are going to stand and talk AT someone and they are going to ignore you and just keep on walking, that's not 'getting talked to'. Except for the lord I suppose.
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Posted: 2/24/2021 12:59:46 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Under the "community caretaker" doctrine there is a responsibility to care for those unable to care for themselves. So they could be beholden to a guy in a t-shirt in certain circumstances. Not saying that was the case in this instance, but in others there might be. The “community caretaker” doctrine has been expanded to allow arrests? Tell us more? |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 1:13:02 AM EDT
[#40]
I just need to know if one can walk down the street in Texas or not, because the video and some posters in this thread would have me believe that is a serious offense.
Say what you will about PA, but I can walk down a residential street. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 1:15:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just need to know if one can walk down the street in Texas or not, because the video and some posters in this thread would have me believe that is a serious offense. Say what you will about PA, but I can walk down a residential street. It depends on whether or not there is a sidewalk ans if you’re walking in the proper direction. You can be arrested for it. I asked a Native Texan why and he said “black people cant always afford cars, so we need a way to keep them from walking to our neighborhoods.” |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 1:26:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just need to know if one can walk down the street in Texas or not, because the video and some posters in this thread would have me believe that is a serious offense. Say what you will about PA, but I can walk down a residential street. Lol. I have learned that it's pretty standard to copy / paste the stature, rule , or regulation. And go see.. That guy's is a CRIMINAL!!!!!!! ! |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 1:32:15 AM EDT
[#43]
T shirt guy ought to be glad he didn't run into these guys:
Two teenagers walking home from a party are killed in an El Paso, Tex. drive-by shooting in 1993. Through coercive tactics (including threatening prison rape and the electric chair), officers obtain witness statements implicating a 16-year-old and then a confession from him (that he recants within hours). No physical evidence implicates him, but loads of evidence point to two brothers. The teen is convicted, sentenced to two life sentences. Texas courts overturn his convictions; he's tried again and acquitted. All told, he spends nearly 20 years in prison for crimes he did not commit. Fifth Circuit: His lawsuit against the officers can go forward. (More details on the case from the district court opinion.) https://ij.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/villegas-district-court.pdf |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 1:50:17 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Under the "community caretaker" doctrine there is a responsibility to care for those unable to care for themselves. So they could be beholden to a guy in a t-shirt in certain circumstances. Not saying that was the case in this instance, but in others there might be. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: A lady had a messy divorce and got a restraining order against her husband. Her husband kidnapped her daughters. She called the cops. They did nothing. She went to the station to plead with the cops. They did nothing. The dad killed the 3 daughters and then drove to the Police Department where he did suicide-by-cop. Cops were sued for not enforcing the restraining order and not acting on the kidnapping report. (BTW, the case is Castlerock v Gonzlez) It's not the governments fault if someone is the the victim of a crime. The government protects society as a whole and isn't beholden to individuals unless a special relationship exists. Yup, so they sure as hell aren't beholden to a man who chooses to wear a T-shirt while walking in the snow. Nope
But let's say that somehow the first hurdle is overcome. If they are worried about exposure, then their activities related to where he is walking would be moot. If they are worried about exposure, the appropriate actions would be to provide him with more adequate clothing (a rescue blanket from the back, giving up their duty jacket for him to wear'. Offering a ride might work, but I don't think you could compel him to ride if it would require him to be searched. But basically they mentioned a ride once and then went off onto their power-trip so that doesn't count How about the 3rd point? The man said he was all right, and was just a few minutes from home. That assurance does a couple things. He's showing no evidence of hypothermia which gives people a foggy mind. He's not shivering uncontrollably, he's not turning blue, etc. If there was a legit thought of him being in peril, once they spoke to him it was clear he wasn't in peril. So community caretaker is a nogo. But a lot of cops who are out fishing try and stretch community caretaker to cover interactions blatantly done to detect illegal activity not due to actual concern for the individual. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 6:07:39 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Big deal in what way? For cops to check on the guy? Or for cops to arrest the guy? There a significant escalation in probable cause between the former to the latter. Dressed inappropriate for the weather and walking in the middle of the street is going to garner a justifiable contact at least. What happens from contact on is a different story. I have no issue with the cops rolling up on him and asking "hey man, is everything ok?" But the instant he indicated that he was fine, lived down the street, and didn't want to talk to them that should have been the end of the encounter and they should have driven away. Also, for the love of god, would people stop with the "OMG he was walking in the street" bullshit. For the millionth time the sidewalks were covered in snow and the street was the only place he could walk, it was perfectly reasonable and legal to do so. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 6:14:16 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So now not wearing a clothing suitable to the weather is reason for a stop? Jesus. If he was wearing a heavy winter jacket they would have said "we stopped him because we believed he might be concealing drugs or weapons under that unnecessarily bulky garment". Like in Baltimore where the same cops have used both the "he made direct eye contact with me" and "he avoided making direct eye contact with me" as reasons to stop and detain people. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 7:33:45 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So now not wearing a clothing suitable to the weather is reason for a stop? Jesus. Depending on the situation? Yes. (Like sitting on a park bench in just basketball shorts when its -20 out at 2am) In this situation? Hell no... |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 8:07:33 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He was black so they figured there was a chance he had a warrant. Had it been a white guy they would have cruised on past. No, if he had been white the same thing would have happened but you would not have heard anything about it. same thing happens to whites all the time but nobody cares, more whites than blacks are killed by cops every year but you just don't here about it. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 8:19:47 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So now not wearing a clothing suitable to the weather is reason for a stop? Jesus. Always has been. Hot weather and some teen hanging around the high school in a long coat? Yeah, he's going to get stopped. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 8:27:13 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The fact that politeness is even being discussed in this situation is fucked up to begin with. Indeed. If you start your comment with "well, the guy could've done X", then you're part of the problem. Its also ignorant because the guy started out not being rude, simply matter of fact. But he wasn't polite enough... |
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