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Posted: 9/25/2017 2:25:46 PM EDT
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Maybe. But the NFL could tell the players to SHUDDAP!!!
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Posted: 9/25/2017 2:26:45 PM EDT
[#2]
The constitution lists things that the government can't take away like freedom of speech. However, if I go to work and say a bunch of stuff they don't like I can be fired. The field is their Job. They should do their job while at work. Just my $0.02
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Posted: 9/25/2017 2:27:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/25/2017 2:28:03 PM EDT
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The constitution lists things that the government can't take away like freedom of speech. However, if I go to work and say a bunch of stuff they don't like I can be fired. The field is their Job. They should do their job while at work. Just my $0.02 |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 2:29:50 PM EDT
[#5]
Sure they have right to protest but everyone else also has right to criticize them and stop watching or doing business with them.
It's funny when the protestors get offended because others find their actions offensive...the irony is rich... 
Those NFL idiots think they are immune to holding the same stadards the rest of us are held to. If we started protesting at work and pissed off half our company's customers we would all be fired! |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 2:30:56 PM EDT
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You're free to protest anything you want. You just can't do it in your workplace. Employers can set reasonable standards for that sort of thing. At the end of the day, the players are simply employees.
One of the oddities of this situation is there is an NFL rule that says players have to stand for the anthem. At least according to Facebook. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 2:31:56 PM EDT
[#7]
they have the right to kneel, their owners have the right to fire them, and I have the right to stop watching.
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Posted: 9/25/2017 2:32:28 PM EDT
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It is covered by the first amendment. However, every employer has a right to set their own code of conduct. That includes banning certain actions that could be considered political in nature, disruptive to good order and discipline, as well as negatively impact the business. ex. If you want to protest something...do it on your own dime...not while you're on the clock.
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Posted: 9/25/2017 2:33:37 PM EDT
[#9]
No it isnt and anyone who says it is has a critical lack of understanding of both our constitution and the rights of businesses and therefore has no business speaking on the matter at all.
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Posted: 9/25/2017 2:35:00 PM EDT
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How many people have been fired because of a twitter, facebook social media post that their company decided was inconsistent with their own message and strategy? LOTS. This is no different.
The First Amendment only applies to the relationship between the government and the citizen, and limits what the government can and cannot do with regards to speech. It has zero bearing on what two individuals and/or companies decide between themselves in a contract. IF the contract says "in exchange for monetary compensation (your job), you will NOT speak ill of the company in any capacity. Violation will result in disciplinary action, up to and including termination", that is perfectly legal. These players have agreed to a "code of conduct" as part of their contract, so if the team and/or league decided to ENFORCE that code of conduct, they'd be within their rights. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 2:35:30 PM EDT
[#11]
Not while they are on the clock.
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Posted: 9/25/2017 2:36:23 PM EDT
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The constitution lists things that the government can't take away like freedom of speech. However, if I go to work and say a bunch of stuff they don't like I can be fired. The field is their Job. They should do their job while at work. Just my $0.02 They're employees of a private company. This isn't the government telling them they can't protests on their own time, this is them choosing to be asshats on company time. If they want to get together for a players march on their own time they should be able too, with no repercussions from their employers, but when you're working do what the boss tells you or you can be fired. None of those hypocrites were bitching when the IRS was targeting conservatives, which is actual retaliation by the government for protected speech. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 2:39:58 PM EDT
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So, if some asshat stands in your living room and takes a position that you don't share and you put him to the curb, have you infringed on his 1ST Amendment rights? They want to make this a 1ST Amendment issue when it isn't, and the only time we see them in public other than at a game is for some BS in their lives like booking photos, dog fighting, wife/other beating, etc.
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Posted: 9/25/2017 2:41:43 PM EDT
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they have the right to kneel, their owners have the right to fire them, and I have the right to stop watching. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 2:50:18 PM EDT
[#15]
It is.
They have voiced their hatred for the U.S. and their employer allows them to do it on company time. They both have a 1A Right to do this and the .gov couldn't and shouldn't' do anything about it. However, I ALSO have a 1A Right and exercise it buy refusing to patron their business or buy their sanctioned products. I hope they all go broke (well they all go broke anyway because they are stupid jocks). |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 2:54:36 PM EDT
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It is covered by the first amendment. However, every employer has a right to set their own code of conduct. That includes banning certain actions that could be considered political in nature, disruptive to good order and discipline, as well as negatively impact the business. ex. If you want to protest something...do it on your own dime...not while you're on the clock. The amendments in the BOR are simply constraints on the federal government. The NFL is not the federal government, therefore the amendments do not apply. The NFL owns the system (as well as their players contract) and can demand behavior that is not otherwise illegal (such as respect for the flag, or no sack dancing). The players are free to sack dance also, they simply choose not to because of the fear of punishment. This is not governmental, these clowns are not protected from their employer's retribution by the BOR. They are constrained only by the NFL's rules. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 2:55:47 PM EDT
[#17]
If they want to protest they can Quit.
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Posted: 9/25/2017 2:56:44 PM EDT
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No it isnt and anyone who says it is has a critical lack of understanding of both our constitution and the rights of businesses and therefore has no business speaking on the matter at all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
No it isnt and anyone who says it is has a critical lack of understanding of both our constitution and the rights of businesses and therefore has no business speaking on the matter at all. Quoted:
No Sir, it is not.... The amendments in the BOR are simply constraints on the federal government. The NFL is not the federal government, therefore the amendments do not apply. The NFL owns the system (as well as their players contract) and can demand behavior that is not otherwise illegal (such as respect for the flag, or no sack dancing). The players are free to sack dance also, they simply choose not to because of the fear of punishment. This is not governmental, these clowns are not protected from their employer's retribution by the BOR. They are constrained only by the NFL's rules. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 2:57:09 PM EDT
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they have the right to kneel, their owners have the right to fire them, and I have the right to stop watching. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 2:59:02 PM EDT
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The crybulliesget to kneel.
I get to say "FUCK FOOTBALL" and stop all manner of involvement. If more people follow me, the NFL, colleges, and Texas high schools will pay a price. Add to it jellybrains and their class actio against the league... |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 2:59:38 PM EDT
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The constitution lists things that the government can't take away like freedom of speech. However, if I go to work and say a bunch of stuff they don't like I can be fired. The field is their Job. They should do their job while at work. Just my $0.02 
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:00:53 PM EDT
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Who is the target here and where is this coming from?
Did one of these American-haiting special snowflakes wake up one day and say, "I think I'll protest the National Anthem because I'm a spineless maggot." No. They were agitated. "Amerikanski Yankees claim justice for all, but your multi-million salary aside, land is not free, da comrade?" Mental midget, spineless weenie hears this, and is motivated to make a publicity stunt out of it. If they don't like it here, they can leave. Go experience other countries where you literally have no rights at all. Then get back to me with your petty grievances. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:01:42 PM EDT
[#23]
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Not while they are on the clock. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:03:47 PM EDT
[#24]
I can't goto my job and carry around "Vote For Trump" or "Vote for Hillary" signs.
Technically these guys punched in, on the "clock". |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:06:41 PM EDT
[#25]
People say the N word is offensive and should be eliminated from our language, as they are so rightfully OFFENDED by the words. I feel the same offense when people shit on our flag and National anthem...
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:08:59 PM EDT
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This is worse than giving a "Google, it's a motherfucker" answer.
The Ten Amendments, the First Amendment, it's a motherfucker. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. It really is that simple.  
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:10:11 PM EDT
[#27]
I don't know and I don't care.
The only sport I care about is baseball, and after some reflection I decided that I am not going to give up baseball or being a Tigers fan if they all start kneeling for the national anthem. If I boycotted every entertainment entity that did shit I don't agree with then I'd be bored. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:11:23 PM EDT
[#28]
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The constitution lists things that the government can't take away like freedom of speech. However, if I go to work and say a bunch of stuff they don't like I can be fired. The field is their Job. They should do their job while at work. Just my $0.02 |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:12:51 PM EDT
[#29]
No. 1st amendment doesn't protect you from doing shit while at work or suffering the consequences from the rest of the publics opinions. If I did the same shit at work, protesting something that had nothing to do with my job while on the clock and bringing a negative light to my employer I'd be written up and/or fired.
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:13:12 PM EDT
[#30]
If they want to protest while at work, go for it.
But, they need to remember that actions have consequences. The Dixie Cunts found that out. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:13:42 PM EDT
[#31]
It's a private business' issue.
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:15:00 PM EDT
[#32]
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The constitution lists things that the government can't take away like freedom of speech. However, if I go to work and say a bunch of stuff they don't like I can be fired. The field is their Job. They should do their job while at work. Just my $0.02 |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:15:38 PM EDT
[#33]
It could be, if it wasn't already agreed upon in their contracts.
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:16:57 PM EDT
[#34]
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The constitution lists things that the government can't take away like freedom of speech. However, if I go to work and say a bunch of stuff they don't like I can be fired. The field is their Job. They should do their job while at work. Just my $0.02 I would agree. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:17:33 PM EDT
[#35]
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they have the right to kneel, their owners have the right to fire them, and I have the right to stop watching. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:17:53 PM EDT
[#36]
When I'm at work, I represent my employer.
I don't get paid to express my personal views, and would expect to be fired for doing so. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:18:29 PM EDT
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It could be, if it wasn't already agreed upon in their contracts. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:18:34 PM EDT
[#38]
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Seen a lot of debate in the media, on line and even here about the professional athletes exercising their 'first amendment right' to protest the anthem. Curious to see people's opinion on the issue... In this thread we see who actually has read the Constitution, and specifically the Bill of Rights. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:18:34 PM EDT
[#39]
This really shouldn't be confusing at all.
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:20:00 PM EDT
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I'm going with this as the right answer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The constitution lists things that the government can't take away like freedom of speech. However, if I go to work and say a bunch of stuff they don't like I can be fired. The field is their Job. They should do their job while at work. Just my $0.02 Of course, the NFL will do nothing but continue to swirl the drain. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:23:18 PM EDT
[#41]
They can on their free time. What they do on the field/clock is subject to the rules imposed by their employer.
If their employer want to allow their employees to disrespect the country, then the fans need to make their opinions known with their wallets. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:26:20 PM EDT
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Seen a lot of debate in the media, on line and even here about the professional athletes exercising their 'first amendment right' to protest the anthem. Curious to see people's opinion on the issue... Your employer has the right to curtail your use of speech on the job, or even publicly to some extent if your job is being in the public eye. The NFL regulates player behavior all the time and fines people for doing things they do not approve of on the field and off the field. The Cowboys, for instance, were forbidden from putting something on their uniform to commemorate the deaths of the five police officers murdered in Dallas. But this shit the NFL lets stand. So, there you go. Forbidding all political displays wouldn't get people in an uproar. There is a backlash to this because everybody knows what the score really is. Leftist shit can get pushed all damn day and nobody dares say a word against it lest they be castigated by the national press. So it's highly selective and the people actually funding this bullshit are deciding they'd rather do just about anything else besides participate in any more of this bullshit. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:29:45 PM EDT
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They can on their free time. What they do on the field/clock is subject to the rules imposed by their employer. If their employer want to allow their employees to disrespect the country, then the fans need to make their opinions known with their wallets. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:31:43 PM EDT
[#44]
Yes but only with regards to government preventing the speech in question.
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:32:17 PM EDT
[#45]
Who are the 28 people who don't understand the First Amendment of the Constitution?
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:37:53 PM EDT
[#46]
Your first amendment is protected against Goverment limitations, not against market limitations.
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:42:59 PM EDT
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No, it really couldn't. Unless they're being threatened with arrest or other punishment by the government, it will never be a 1st amendment issue. Period. Full stop. Hint: 1A applies to private industry, too. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:43:27 PM EDT
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The government is not infringing on their right to do anything. Certain players have chosen to make political statements at work and their various bosses - Coach, Owner, Commissioner, have chosen to allow it. Pretty simple.
Other stakeholders like the fans or sponsors may choose to treat them differently and again that is their decision to make. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:48:39 PM EDT
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Can a private business refuse to hire Jews? Or Muslims? Or Christians? Why or why not? Hint: 1A applies to private industry, too. The things you mention are illegal, but not because of 1st amendment. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:51:05 PM EDT
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Can a private business refuse to hire Jews? Or Muslims? Or Christians? Why or why not? Hint: 1A applies to private industry, too. Hint: You have no idea what you're talking about. |
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