[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Crown Molding Questions (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 9/3/2015 4:35:01 PM EDT
I have some crown going in and baseboard trim. The first 3 pics are of the crown. Do this look right? I thought they would go in at a 45 but it looks like one piece go square to the wall and the second is cut to fit the contour of the crown. This dosent seem correct but I am not an expert at this. The first pic is looking up from eye height. The second is shooting straight up at the joint from the floor direction.
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Fuck that. If the guys that work for me did that they'd be pulling that down and doing it again. The picture in the OP is an example of half-assed finish work. Quoted:
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that's why they make caulk Fuck that. If the guys that work for me did that they'd be pulling that down and doing it again. The picture in the OP is an example of half-assed finish work. I like what you are saying but what should he have done differently? |
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That is called coping. The first piece is cut square and the second is coped to fit. What I see in your pictures is either not finished or just plain sucks. This. The coping on that sucks. I have both coped and cut the pieces at a 45. In the end, if it gets painted, your painter will just have to caulk or spackle the hell out of it. I did framing, including finish carpentry for a while and painted houses for a while. |
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that's why they make caulk Fuck that. If the guys that work for me did that they'd be pulling that down and doing it again. The picture in the OP is an example of half-assed finish work. I like what you are saying but what should he have done differently? probably charged more. fast cheap good. |
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that's why they make caulk Fuck that. If the guys that work for me did that they'd be pulling that down and doing it again. The picture in the OP is an example of half-assed finish work. I like what you are saying but what should he have done differently? There should be a much tighter fit than what your pictures show. There should not be any gap at the bottom of the crown, and the profile of the crown should fit snugly into the opposing piece. Will this be stained or painted when completed? |
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I'm not using anything. This is a contractor. Help me out here. Is the coping the problem or the sawing or what? How do I explain this to him. It will be painted whitw. The piece that does not reach the wall, the piece on the right in your first pic, should be cut to match, as exactly as possible, the curvature of the piece on the left. Your contractor half-assed it. it doesn't match well at all. Like I said above, if it gets painted it really is not that big of a deal b/c a good painter will fix the gaps and massage the curves. Now if your finish carpenter is also the painter, I hope he paints better than he does carpentry. |
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There should be a much tighter fit than what your pictures show. There should not be any gap at the bottom of the crown, and the profile of the crown should fit snugly into the opposing piece. Will this be stained or painted when completed? Quoted:
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that's why they make caulk Fuck that. If the guys that work for me did that they'd be pulling that down and doing it again. The picture in the OP is an example of half-assed finish work. I like what you are saying but what should he have done differently? There should be a much tighter fit than what your pictures show. There should not be any gap at the bottom of the crown, and the profile of the crown should fit snugly into the opposing piece. Will this be stained or painted when completed? Painted. So does it really matter? For the record this guy is not cheap or fast. I'm starting to get pissed about it. |
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This. The coping on that sucks. Quoted:
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That is called coping. The first piece is cut square and the second is coped to fit. What I see in your pictures is either not finished or just plain sucks. This. The coping on that sucks. This is of course the origination for the expression, "I can't cope!" |
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Not done correctly. Both sides need to be cope'ed at the proper angle. That said, you need to hit it with caulk (or wood filler,) if you're staining. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I'm not sure you understand what "coping" is. Only one piece of moulding is "coped". (please refer to above imbedded video for a down and dirty explanation) |
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Crappy way to do it in my opinion. (unless you are going to take the time to hand file it) That said, Crown is not something you should try to do your self without two three things: 1) the right saw....a sliding compound miter 2) knowledge 3) Lots of extra pieces of crown FIFY |
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Painted. So does it really matter? For the record this guy is not cheap or fast. I'm starting to get pissed about it. Quoted:
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that's why they make caulk Fuck that. If the guys that work for me did that they'd be pulling that down and doing it again. The picture in the OP is an example of half-assed finish work. I like what you are saying but what should he have done differently? There should be a much tighter fit than what your pictures show. There should not be any gap at the bottom of the crown, and the profile of the crown should fit snugly into the opposing piece. Will this be stained or painted when completed? Painted. So does it really matter? For the record this guy is not cheap or fast. I'm starting to get pissed about it. |
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Painted. So does it really matter? For the record this guy is not cheap or fast. I'm starting to get pissed about it. Quoted:
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that's why they make caulk Fuck that. If the guys that work for me did that they'd be pulling that down and doing it again. The picture in the OP is an example of half-assed finish work. I like what you are saying but what should he have done differently? There should be a much tighter fit than what your pictures show. There should not be any gap at the bottom of the crown, and the profile of the crown should fit snugly into the opposing piece. Will this be stained or painted when completed? Painted. So does it really matter? For the record this guy is not cheap or fast. I'm starting to get pissed about it. I'm not a contractor, but my crownmolding looks better than that. A coping saw has a thin blade on a shortened bow saw-looking handle. You cut one piece to match the contours of the piece it goes up against. Odds are, your dude is going to caulk that joint and then paint it. Caulking sucks because in 4 or 5 years, the caulk will shrink and you'll be able to see the gap left. Which means you get to recaulk the joint. FWIW, I cut my inside corners on a 45. I tried coping it and it looked like shit (because I'm not a pro and hate installing crown molding). |
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Quoted: Painted. So does it really matter? For the record this guy is not cheap or fast. I'm starting to get pissed about it. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: that's why they make caulk Fuck that. If the guys that work for me did that they'd be pulling that down and doing it again. The picture in the OP is an example of half-assed finish work. I like what you are saying but what should he have done differently? There should be a much tighter fit than what your pictures show. There should not be any gap at the bottom of the crown, and the profile of the crown should fit snugly into the opposing piece. Will this be stained or painted when completed? Painted. So does it really matter? For the record this guy is not cheap or fast. I'm starting to get pissed about it. Make him redo that piece, it's unacceptable to charge for that type of joint. You hire us for our expertise in carpentry, this is poor work. Tight joints are more important with crown than most other paint grade trim, those cracks will be extremely visible. |
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That looks terrible. Its not difficult to miter cut and make it look good. Shit it doesn't even take any longer. I cut it rough and then use a small wood rasp or sanding drum chucked in a drill or dremel to cut to my line. It goes fast and I get very tight joints. Because corners are never square, you'll spend more time fussing with an inside miter than you will to just cope it. |
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Painted. So does it really matter? For the record this guy is not cheap or fast. I'm starting to get pissed about it. Quoted:
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that's why they make caulk Fuck that. If the guys that work for me did that they'd be pulling that down and doing it again. The picture in the OP is an example of half-assed finish work. I like what you are saying but what should he have done differently? There should be a much tighter fit than what your pictures show. There should not be any gap at the bottom of the crown, and the profile of the crown should fit snugly into the opposing piece. Will this be stained or painted when completed? Painted. So does it really matter? For the record this guy is not cheap or fast. I'm starting to get pissed about it. is he at least good looking? no homo |
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that's why they make caulk Fuck that. If the guys that work for me did that they'd be pulling that down and doing it again. The picture in the OP is an example of half-assed finish work. I like what you are saying but what should he have done differently? There should be a much tighter fit than what your pictures show. There should not be any gap at the bottom of the crown, and the profile of the crown should fit snugly into the opposing piece. Will this be stained or painted when completed? Painted. So does it really matter? For the record this guy is not cheap or fast. I'm starting to get pissed about it. The whole reason for coping instead of mitering crown is so that the intersections of moldings don't open as the house moves with seasonal humidity changes. To accomplish this, the original joint should not have visible gaps when installed. Paint and caulk help smooth the transition point between moldings, but they should never be used to fill gaps. To me, that joint would not be acceptable. If I'm set up to install crown, it takes very little extra time for me to ensure a joint fits perfectly. There's not much excuse for leaving it the way your picture shows. Now, is it the worst I've seen?  Not by a long shot. If the guy isn't the cheapest guy you could find or one who promised he'd be done in day, it should look better.
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I cut it rough and then use a small wood rasp or sanding drum chucked in a drill or dremel to cut to my line. It goes fast and I get very tight joints. Because corners are never square, you'll spend more time fussing with an inside miter than you will to just cope it. Quoted:
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That looks terrible. Its not difficult to miter cut and make it look good. Shit it doesn't even take any longer. I cut it rough and then use a small wood rasp or sanding drum chucked in a drill or dremel to cut to my line. It goes fast and I get very tight joints. Because corners are never square, you'll spend more time fussing with an inside miter than you will to just cope it. Bingo. Just finished a room with a 7-piece crown. The ceiling on most walls had a one inch rise in the middle and the walls all bowed into the room about 3/4 of an inch. Miter that? No.
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Quoted: Bingo. Just finished a room with a 7-piece crown. The ceiling on most walls had a one inch rise in the middle and the walls all bowed into the room about 3/4 of an inch. Miter that? No.Quoted: Quoted: ... I cut it rough and then use a small wood rasp or sanding drum chucked in a drill or dremel to cut to my line. It goes fast and I get very tight joints. Because corners are never square, you'll spend more time fussing with an inside miter than you will to just cope it. Just finished a room with a 7-piece crown. The ceiling on most walls had a one inch rise in the middle and the walls all bowed into the room about 3/4 of an inch. Miter that? No.Got any pics? I'd be interested to see that. |
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Bingo. Just finished a room with a 7-piece crown. The ceiling on most walls had a one inch rise in the middle and the walls all bowed into the room about 3/4 of an inch. Miter that? No.
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That looks terrible. Its not difficult to miter cut and make it look good. Shit it doesn't even take any longer. I cut it rough and then use a small wood rasp or sanding drum chucked in a drill or dremel to cut to my line. It goes fast and I get very tight joints. Because corners are never square, you'll spend more time fussing with an inside miter than you will to just cope it. Bingo. Just finished a room with a 7-piece crown. The ceiling on most walls had a one inch rise in the middle and the walls all bowed into the room about 3/4 of an inch. Miter that? No.
Coping seemed to be a magical process. It was easier for me to miter it. My old man said I was retarded for inside mitering. Am I missing something here or was my old man right? |
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Got any pics? I'd be interested to see that. Quoted:
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... I cut it rough and then use a small wood rasp or sanding drum chucked in a drill or dremel to cut to my line. It goes fast and I get very tight joints. Because corners are never square, you'll spend more time fussing with an inside miter than you will to just cope it. Just finished a room with a 7-piece crown. The ceiling on most walls had a one inch rise in the middle and the walls all bowed into the room about 3/4 of an inch. Miter that? No.
Got any pics? I'd be interested to see that. I'll get some tomorrow. It's not a massive crown as most of the individual pieces are smaller, but it's a replica of an original Victorian pattern so it's got lots of small details. |
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Coping seemed to be a magical process. It was easier for me to miter it. My old man said I was retarded for inside mitering. Am I missing something here or was my old man right? Quoted:
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That looks terrible. Its not difficult to miter cut and make it look good. Shit it doesn't even take any longer. I cut it rough and then use a small wood rasp or sanding drum chucked in a drill or dremel to cut to my line. It goes fast and I get very tight joints. Because corners are never square, you'll spend more time fussing with an inside miter than you will to just cope it. Bingo. Just finished a room with a 7-piece crown. The ceiling on most walls had a one inch rise in the middle and the walls all bowed into the room about 3/4 of an inch. Miter that? No.
Coping seemed to be a magical process. It was easier for me to miter it. My old man said I was retarded for inside mitering. Am I missing something here or was my old man right? Your old man was spot on. |
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Quoted: Coping seemed to be a magical process. It was easier for me to miter it. My old man said I was retarded for inside mitering. Am I missing something here or was my old man right? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That looks terrible. Its not difficult to miter cut and make it look good. Shit it doesn't even take any longer. I cut it rough and then use a small wood rasp or sanding drum chucked in a drill or dremel to cut to my line. It goes fast and I get very tight joints. Because corners are never square, you'll spend more time fussing with an inside miter than you will to just cope it. Bingo. Just finished a room with a 7-piece crown. The ceiling on most walls had a one inch rise in the middle and the walls all bowed into the room about 3/4 of an inch. Miter that? No.Coping seemed to be a magical process. It was easier for me to miter it. My old man said I was retarded for inside mitering. Am I missing something here or was my old man right? |