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Posted: 9/22/2002 9:56:39 AM EDT
In Other Words: THIS IS DISGUSTING ! [:(!] [:(!] [:(!] I was just watching Fox News with my little nephew. He is 4 years old and quite a bright little kid. This IDIOTIC anti-drug commercial just came on the air: [b][/i]This is Stacey. This is the dime bag that Stacey bought. This is the dealer who sold the dime bag that Stacey bought. This is the supplier who smuggled the pot to the dealer who sold the dime bag that Stacey bought. This is Carla hit by a stray bullet from Stacey's supplier and paralyzed for life." Tagline: "Responsibility is a bitch, isn't it, Stacey?" [/i][/b] My nephew keeps asking me: - Who is Stacey? (my answer: a drug addicted scumbag democrat) - What is a dime bag? (my answer: evil drugs used by liberals and democrats) - What is paralyzed? (my answer: this is what crackheads do to each other for fun) Etc.... WHY ARE THEY SHOWING THIS KIND OF CRAP ON TV???????????????? (paid for by our tax dollars no less) There is truly no safe haven left for kids anymore. [b] My Solution: Just Kill all of the scumbag drug addicts and dealers and be done with it ! (oh yeah... throw in all of the hippies and liberals too) [/b] [:(!]
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 9:59:24 AM EDT
Shock advertising. All the rage now. Ever since those stupid "The Truth" anti-tobacco commercials
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 10:03:15 AM EDT
So pothead Stacey didn't pay the dealer????
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 10:06:47 AM EDT
Just wait until you see the commercials calling for a new ban on assault weapons.
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 10:20:43 AM EDT
So, Stacey is responsible for the actions of people she doesn't know? Makes sense to me. [rolleyes] Maybe we need to spend a little more on the War on Drugs.
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 10:22:06 AM EDT
You are watching Fox News with a 4 year old? I think you got off pretty light if thats all you had to explain. Uncle RBAD, Why are those people knocking down that building? Uncle RBAD, Why is that women hitting her kid for no reason? Uncle RBAD, Why are those people running in the streets screaming at the guys knocking down that abandoned building? You got off easy man. Except for the Uncle RBAD heading, thats what I got to answer today when I visited teh family. Keving67
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 10:23:08 AM EDT
Hmmmm...it seems to me that if I were to turn the clock back to the prohibition, and then change the "dime bag" and "pot" to "Fifth of Canadian Whiskey", the same results and conclusions would be obtained. I don't suppose you would also like to kill all of the scumbags who are addicted to alcohol and nicotine, as well as the store owners who sell it, the manufactures who produce it, and the farmers who grow it, would you?
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 10:26:56 AM EDT
I would have no problem with taking out the inconsiderate tobacco users....[x]
Originally Posted By DPeacher: I don't suppose you would also like to kill all of the scumbags who are addicted to alcohol and nicotine, as well as the store owners who sell it, the manufactures who produce it, and the farmers who grow it, would you?
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Link Posted: 9/22/2002 10:28:59 AM EDT
Your tax dollars at work--either directly or through the tobacco settlement. Sick.
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 10:44:08 AM EDT
Originally Posted By trickshot: Your tax dollars at work--either directly or through the tobacco settlement. Sick.
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Those tobacco settlements did some good at least here in MI. I get 1500$ a year to go to college because of the smokers. Everytime I see someone throwing down 4.50$ for a pack of camels, I thank them. Keving67
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 10:47:36 AM EDT
Originally Posted By keving67:
Originally Posted By trickshot: Your tax dollars at work--either directly or through the tobacco settlement. Sick.
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Those tobacco settlements did some good at least here in MI. I get 1500$ a year to go to college because of the smokers. Everytime I see someone throwing down 4.50$ for a pack of camels, I thank them. Keving67
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What's that grant called?
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 11:57:28 AM EDT
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Those of you who want to persecute people who smoke really are not thinking. Dont you think this is the same mentality that they are using to get your guns. Divide and conquer. I dont smoke but I support the rights of people to do so. They are under attack by the same whackos who want my guns. There is no middle ground in politics, John >
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 12:49:19 PM EDT
Originally Posted By RBAD: [b]My Solution: Just Kill all of the scumbag drug addicts and dealers and be done with it ! (oh yeah... throw in all of the hippies and liberals too) [/b] [:(!]
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[beer]
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 1:28:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By keving67: You are watching Fox News with a 4 year old? I think you got off pretty light if thats all you had to explain.
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Hehehe EASY Stuff (especially when his liberal parents are not supervising me)! [b]Uncle RBAD, Why are those people knocking down that building? [/b] Because those buildings house EVIL people -- the same kind of people who flew the planes into the building where your Uncle Greg worked. Remember Uncle Greg? He's a VP at Solomon Smith Barney and had alot of his friends die on 9-11-01, and had to live at your house for a few months because his apartment was contaminated with asbestos. Do you remember all of the horrid stories from Uncle RBAD's friends on the squad who went in to do search and rescue? AND-- Special Note to the Kiddies... Note that the Israelis are the only ones with BALLS enough to do such things to curb future terrorism. [b]Uncle RBAD, Why is that women hitting her kid for no reason?[/b] SShhhh! Or you will see why UP CLOSE --> Remember that video the next time you leave your toys out! [:D] [b]Uncle RBAD, Why are those people running in the streets screaming at the guys knocking down that abandoned building?[/b] Those are evil people who wear diapers on the wrong parts of the body. They are breaking the curfew laws and (hopefully) will be shot down soon enough. [:D] [b]You got off easy man. Except for the Uncle RBAD heading, thats what I got to answer today when I visited teh family. [/b] Feel free to use MY answers ! [:D]
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 1:31:46 PM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Macallan: Shock advertising. All the rage now. Ever since those stupid "The Truth" anti-tobacco commercials
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Everytime I see those, I want to go outside and have a cigarette.
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 1:32:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DPeacher: Hmmmm...it seems to me that if I were to turn the clock back to the prohibition, and then change the "dime bag" and "pot" to "Fifth of Canadian Whiskey", the same results and conclusions would be obtained. I don't suppose you would also like to kill all of the scumbags who are addicted to alcohol and nicotine, as well as the store owners who sell it, the manufactures who produce it, and the farmers who grow it, would you?
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Hehehe... Sure .. !! Kill 'em all! [:D] The only dopers that I've ever encountered have been LIBERAL pieces of shit. How many cigarette fiends commit violent crimes in order to buy that desperately needed pack? (As I have asthma, I do not like them smoking in my space though [;)]) As a matter of fact, the only reason that I stayed a Republican instead of switching to the Libertarian party is/was their stand on drugs.
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 2:16:17 PM EDT
Originally Posted By USNJoe: I would have no problem with taking out the inconsiderate tobacco users....[x]
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Must be a convert....
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 2:20:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SeaDweller:
Originally Posted By keving67:
Originally Posted By trickshot: Your tax dollars at work--either directly or through the tobacco settlement. Sick.
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Those tobacco settlements did some good at least here in MI. I get 1500$ a year to go to college because of the smokers. Everytime I see someone throwing down 4.50$ for a pack of camels, I thank them. Keving67
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What's that grant called?
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It's called "selective taxing". The latest Socialist scheme. Demonize one group, then tax them extra. Sounds like we have some socialists right here! It's ok as long as they benefit, and someone else pays. Real American of ya......
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 2:42:13 PM EDT
China ,Saudia arabia,and many other countries behead drug traffickers and that still doesnt stop them.there is just to much money involved to make people quit selling and there will always be drug users. i am against drugs, and have seen what drug abuse does but the war on drugs is a joke, billions are spent, i dont know what the answer is though. oh yeah those commercials are stupid.
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 3:01:49 PM EDT
I thought it was a pretty good commecial. Made a valid point. Besides, how many kids watch Fox News? Maybe 4 year old kids should be outside getting some exercise or just having fun instead of worrying about all the crap going on in the world that's out of his control. USPC40 [img]www.ar15.com/members/albums/USPC40/line.gif[/img] [url=www.nra.org][b][red]NRA[/red][/url] [url=www.nra.org][blue]Life Member[/blue][/url] [url=www.gunowners.org][b][red]GOA[/red] [/url] [url=www.gunowners.org][blue]Life Member[/blue][/url] [url=www.saf.org][red]SAF[/red][/url] [url=www.saf.org][blue]Supporter[/blue][/url] [url=sas-aim.org][red]SAS[/red][/url] [url=sas-aim.org][blue]Supporter[/blue][/b][/url] [img]www.ar15.com/members/albums/USPC40/alabamaflag.gif[/img]
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 3:06:23 PM EDT
I thought it was a pretty good commecial. Made a valid point.
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What point? That drug dealers are bad people that shoot innocents? Ok ... most people could already make that leap. There is no cause and effect relationship between Stacey and Carla. It's just more smoke screen junk science and shock advertising. Ryan
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 3:09:24 PM EDT
[b]"throw the hippies and liberals too"[/b] I want to throw some too! Can I throw mine off of the roof?[:D]
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 3:18:12 PM EDT
Originally Posted By reidry:
I thought it was a pretty good commecial. Made a valid point.
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What point? That drug dealers are bad people that shoot innocents? Ok ... most people could already make that leap. There is no cause and effect relationship between Stacey and Carla. It's just more smoke screen junk science and shock advertising. Ryan
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Open your eyes and watch it again. Every one of those people are connected. If it weren't for one, the other wouldn't be needed. If it weren't for the druggie, there would be no need for a dealer. No dealer, no need for the smuggler. No smuggler, no need for cartel. No cartel, no need to produce the crap in the first place. Law of supply and demand. USPC40 [img]www.ar15.com/members/albums/USPC40/line.gif[/img] [url=www.nra.org][b][red]NRA[/red][/url] [url=www.nra.org][blue]Life Member[/blue][/url] [url=www.gunowners.org][b][red]GOA[/red] [/url] [url=www.gunowners.org][blue]Life Member[/blue][/url] [url=www.saf.org][red]SAF[/red][/url] [url=www.saf.org][blue]Supporter[/blue][/url] [url=sas-aim.org][red]SAS[/red][/url] [url=sas-aim.org][blue]Supporter[/blue][/b][/url] [img]www.ar15.com/members/albums/USPC40/alabamaflag.gif[/img]
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 3:26:15 PM EDT
I cant believe the hypocrisy from the AR15.com “pro drug warriors”. So its evil for others to take away your guns, yet you see no problem telling others what they can do with their bodies? And all the while you give Nicotine, Alcohol, and Caffeine a pass because its “legal”? And there is the usual argument that people are scared of what some one on drugs might do to them, so we must make drugs illegal. That’s what exactly what the antis say about gun owners. Wake up gun owners! The war on drugs is a convenient “problem, reaction, solution” method to slowly erode our freedoms. End the insane war on drugs.
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 3:34:11 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RBAD:
Originally Posted By DPeacher: Hmmmm...it seems to me that if I were to turn the clock back to the prohibition, and then change the "dime bag" and "pot" to "Fifth of Canadian Whiskey", the same results and conclusions would be obtained. I don't suppose you would also like to kill all of the scumbags who are addicted to alcohol and nicotine, as well as the store owners who sell it, the manufactures who produce it, and the farmers who grow it, would you?
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Hehehe... Sure .. !! Kill 'em all! [:D] The only dopers that I've ever encountered have been LIBERAL pieces of shit. How many cigarette fiends commit violent crimes in order to buy that desperately needed pack? (As I have asthma, I do not like them smoking in my space though [;)]) As a matter of fact, the only reason that I stayed a Republican instead of switching to the Libertarian party is/was their stand on drugs.
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You're damn right they're responsible. There's a huge difference tween cig smokin and weed smokin. Do [b]you[/b] wnt a bunch of potheads drivin around when you take your kid to football practice or out to dinner??? (note the lack of soccer [:d]). I wouldn't have really cared if they'd never repealed prohibition. Sure I drink a few beers now and then, but have never drank and drove. Drinking costs more lives and $$$ than cigs can begin to cost. Cigs don't cause anyone else problems but the ones smokin (long as you're not near it). It also would be more constitutinoal than banning guns. Boy I'll probably get flammed for that one. There [size=6]IS[/size=6] a very valid link between these folks. period. My problem with libertarians: Drugs are BAD and show me where in The Constitution your right to smoke crack is protected. I like the AD, and I'd be happy to explain to any kid what it means. These sorry fucks (druggies and dealers) are the ones giving libs the ammo to make "assalut weapons" (and more to come) illegal
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 3:39:34 PM EDT
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Bign, I agree with you 100%, but I've been flamed big time for expressing anti-drug views in the past, so you might want to suit up.
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 3:43:45 PM EDT
Originally Posted By RBAD: In Other Words: THIS IS DISGUSTING ! [:(!] [:(!] [:(!] I was just watching Fox News with my little nephew. He is 4 years old and quite a bright little kid. This IDIOTIC anti-drug commercial just came on the air: [b][/i]This is Stacey. This is the dime bag that Stacey bought. This is the dealer who sold the dime bag that Stacey bought. This is the supplier who smuggled the pot to the dealer who sold the dime bag that Stacey bought. This is Carla hit by a stray bullet from Stacey's supplier and paralyzed for life." Tagline: "Responsibility is a bitch, isn't it, Stacey?" [/i][/b] My nephew keeps asking me: - Who is Stacey? (my answer: a drug addicted scumbag democrat) - What is a dime bag? (my answer: evil drugs used by liberals and democrats) - What is paralyzed? (my answer: this is what crackheads do to each other for fun) Etc.... WHY ARE THEY SHOWING THIS KIND OF CRAP ON TV???????????????? (paid for by our tax dollars no less) There is truly no safe haven left for kids anymore. [b] My Solution: Just Kill all of the scumbag drug addicts and dealers and be done with it ! (oh yeah... throw in all of the hippies and liberals too) [/b] [:(!]
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Whooooo!!! Get out the GE M134!!! And those 5000 round ammo cans!!!! This is my toy: [img]http://www.army-technology.com/projects/caesar/images/caesar6.jpg[/img] Load up some of those 155's with the AP bomblets!!! Bustin' druggies: [img]http://www.army-technology.com/projects/black_hawk/images/bl_hawk5.jpg[/img] I say we also go after all the retarded pot growing idiots in Kalifornistan.... Wait, gotta pack the HK CAWS for those moments when all those nutcases come at you with lead pipes... SIG out, Doggonit (Give 'em blood and vinegar, RBAD!)
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 3:49:28 PM EDT
BTW, why do we not napalm the hell outta the plantations in South America and the likes. It could be done with ease. Sure there may be reprocussions, but not for too long. These guys would eventually kill each other off when their income stops and debts aren't paid...
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 3:52:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Bign: These sorry fucks (druggies and sealers) are the ones giving libs the ammo to make "assalut weapons" (and more to come) illegal
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Holy Toledo! We have got to take a step back and look at the big picture here people. It is EXACTLY this sort of segregation that will seal our fate. Splitting us into these "us vs them" camps is by design. You can not have you cake and eat it too. how can you tolerate the government usurping our right to regulate what we eat/take, yet claim they have no right to regulate firearms! And please, lets not start with the carnage that will supposedly happen is drug prohibition is lifted. Killing some one with a car will still be just as illegal when/if drug prohibition is repealed. NEWS FLASH: ALL the people who are want to take drugs are currently doing so. There will be no mad rush to drug use. Some of you are using the anti gunners language verbatim! "There will be blood in the streets if we allow concealed carry or the return of 15 round magazines!". Sound familiar? Please people. Stop thinking emotionally and start thinking rationally.
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 3:58:13 PM EDT
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KILL HIPPIES KILL HIPPIES!!!! KILL KILL KILL!!! [uzi][8P][heavy] [uzi][8P][50] [shotgun][8P][pistol] [bounce] [bounce] [bounce] [bounce]
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 4:00:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Bign:
Originally Posted By RBAD:
Originally Posted By DPeacher: Hmmmm...it seems to me that if I were to turn the clock back to the prohibition, and then change the "dime bag" and "pot" to "Fifth of Canadian Whiskey", the same results and conclusions would be obtained. I don't suppose you would also like to kill all of the scumbags who are addicted to alcohol and nicotine, as well as the store owners who sell it, the manufactures who produce it, and the farmers who grow it, would you?
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Hehehe... Sure .. !! Kill 'em all! [:D] The only dopers that I've ever encountered have been LIBERAL pieces of shit. How many cigarette fiends commit violent crimes in order to buy that desperately needed pack? (As I have asthma, I do not like them smoking in my space though [;)]) As a matter of fact, the only reason that I stayed a Republican instead of switching to the Libertarian party is/was their stand on drugs.
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You're damn right they're responsible. There's a huge difference tween cig smokin and weed smokin. Do [b]you[/b] wnt a bunch of potheads drivin around when you take your kid to football practice or out to dinner??? (note the lack of soccer [:d]). I wouldn't have really cared if they'd never repealed prohibition. Sure I drink a few beers now and then, but have never drank and drove. Drinking costs more lives and $$$ than cigs can begin to cost. Cigs don't cause anyone else problems but the ones smokin (long as you're not near it). It also would be more constitutinoal than banning guns. Boy I'll probably get flammed for that one. There [size=6]IS[/size=6] a very valid link between these folks. period. My problem with libertarians: Drugs are BAD and show me where in The Constitution your right to smoke crack is protected. I like the AD, and I'd be happy to explain to any kid what it means. These sorry fucks (druggies and dealers) are the ones giving libs the ammo to make "assalut weapons" (and more to come) illegal
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You are a prime example of how they will take all guns away from the people, first an ad campaign, then just doing it, you are so brainwashed there is no hope to educate you.
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 4:08:09 PM EDT
Limiting the freedoms of others for one's perceived benefit of safety is morally reprehensible. End the insane war on drugs.
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 4:15:09 PM EDT
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Holy Toledo! We have got to take a step back and look at the big picture here people. It is EXACTLY this sort of segregation that will seal our fate. Splitting us into these "us vs them" camps is by design. You can not have you cake and eat it too. how can you tolerate the government usurping our right to regulate what we eat/take, yet claim they have no right to regulate firearms! And please, lets not start with the carnage that will supposedly happen is drug prohibition is lifted. Killing some one with a car will still be just as illegal when/if drug prohibition is repealed. NEWS FLASH: ALL the people who are want to take drugs are currently doing so. There will be no mad rush to drug use. Some of you are using the anti gunners language verbatim! "There will be blood in the streets if we allow concealed carry or the return of 15 round magazines!". Sound familiar? Please people. Stop thinking emotionally and start thinking rationally.
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[size=6]FUCKOFF!!![/size=6] Are you a member of the ACLU??? If by a drug dealer vs a decent human being you mean us vs them, your damn right there is an us VS them.... You try and sell my kid some drugs...you'll get the business end of my .45[pistol]I'll go to jail if they find the body. You can't justify using/selling drugs, period. That is like the guy at work that tried to tell me that there was no difference in being in the military and killing the enemy; verses a lawyer lying his ass off to get the child molesters off (knowing he was guilty) just because it was his job.... If by reason you mean justifying the evil, you canhave your fuckin reason We are the Govt (don't laugh), and if we (and I think the overwhelming majority of everyone in the country would agree) any way if [b]WE[/b] think drugs should be illegal, then [b]we[/b] have the right to make them illegal. Have you ever seen the movie traffic? Sorry ass plot and not very good, but a real eye openner [shock]. If anyone thinks legalization wouldn't cause alot more use........wake the hell up. Check out those nice little towns like Amsterdam drugs and whores everywhere. Would you want to take [b]your[/b] kids there?????
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 4:17:37 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Bign:
Originally Posted By RBAD:
Originally Posted By DPeacher: Hmmmm...it seems to me that if I were to turn the clock back to the prohibition, and then change the "dime bag" and "pot" to "Fifth of Canadian Whiskey", the same results and conclusions would be obtained. I don't suppose you would also like to kill all of the scumbags who are addicted to alcohol and nicotine, as well as the store owners who sell it, the manufactures who produce it, and the farmers who grow it, would you?
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Hehehe... Sure .. !! Kill 'em all! [:D] The only dopers that I've ever encountered have been LIBERAL pieces of shit. How many cigarette fiends commit violent crimes in order to buy that desperately needed pack? (As I have asthma, I do not like them smoking in my space though [;)]) As a matter of fact, the only reason that I stayed a Republican instead of switching to the Libertarian party is/was their stand on drugs.
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You're damn right. There's a huge difference tween cig smokin and weed smokin. Do [b]you[/b] wnt a bunch of potheads drivin around when you take your kid to football practice or out to dinner??? (note the lack of soccer [:d]). I wouldn't have really cared if they'd never repealed prohibition. Sure I drink a few beers now and then, but have never drank and drove. Boy I'll get flamme for that one. There [size=6]IS[/size=6] a very valid link between these folks. period. My problem with libertarians: Drugs are BAD and show me where in The Constitution your right to smoke crack is protected. I like the AD, and I'd be happy to explain to any kid what it means. These sorry fucks (druggies and sealers) are the ones giving libs the ammo to make "assalut weapons" (and more to come) illegal
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You guys are making my point for me! Just in case you were sleeping in health class, [b]alcohol and nicotine ARE DRUGS![/b] DWI/DUI is already illegal, yet thousands are killed and injured every year by drunk drivers. How many thousands are killed from smoking and chewing tobacco products? Has anyone ever smoked so much marijuana that they died from an overdose? And explain [b]EXACTLY[/b], just how and why marijuana is MORE of a menace to society then alcohol. Put down the latest edition of Rosie, take off your rose colored glasses, and leave your "liberal brainwashing, VPC, HCI, knee jerk, the sky is falling" reaction at home. Present the facts, not YOUR EMOTIONS. Yeah there probably is a big difference between cig smoking and weed smoking, but I don't see much difference between smoking a joint and drinking a six pack. Would you like to show me just where in the Constitution, prior to the 18th and 21st Amendments, you had the Right to drink alcohol, and at anytime to use tobacco? For your information there Einstein, the Constitution places limits on the GOVERNMENT. And as for individual liberties, they stop when they infringe upon the liberty of another. You guys probably think income tax is legal too! What happened to fair and equal protection under the law!? And if they were to outlaw the use of tobacco tonight, there would indeed be a substantial amount of crimes committed tomarrow to obtain that next pack, pouch, or can. Think about it...
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You consider smokin crack a freedom???? If recreational drugs were worth defending, Ole Ben, Thomas, and pals would've mentioned them in the Constitution or Madison would've added them into the Bill O' Rights. The same could be said for alcohol if one wanted to take it that far. I'm still waiting to see where soemone can point out where it says "The right to smoke and inject mind altering drugs shall not be infringed....
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 4:42:28 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Bign: [size=6]FUCKOFF!!![/size=6] Are you a member of the ACLU???
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I call your attention to your own signature line.
You can't justify using/selling drugs, period.
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Do you do smoke, drink, chew, or drink coffee? have you ever taken medication... If so your hypocrisy is overwhelming.
That is like the guy at work that tried to tell me that there was no difference in being in the military and killing the enemy; verses a lawyer lying his ass off to get the child molesters off (knowing he was guilty) just because it was his job....
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no its not.
We are the Govt (don't laugh), and if we (and I think the overwhelming majority of everyone in the country would agree) any way if [b]WE[/b] think drugs should be illegal, then [b]we[/b] have the right to make them illegal.
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Then by the same token if your we vote your house is better used by the people as a bingo parlor then we can vote to take it away from you. How about we vote and make it legal to rape all the hot women in town? Majority rules right?
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 4:48:12 PM EDT
Originally Posted By markl32:
Originally Posted By Bign: [size=6]FUCKOFF!!![/size=6] Are you a member of the ACLU???
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I call your attention to your own signature line.
You can't justify using/selling drugs, period.
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Do you do smoke, drink, chew, or drink coffee? have you ever taken medication... If so your hypocrisy is overwhelming.
That is like the guy at work that tried to tell me that there was no difference in being in the military and killing the enemy; verses a lawyer lying his ass off to get the child molesters off (knowing he was guilty) just because it was his job....
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no its not.
We are the Govt (don't laugh), and if we (and I think the overwhelming majority of everyone in the country would agree) any way if [b]WE[/b] think drugs should be illegal, then [b]we[/b] have the right to make them illegal.
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Then by the same token if your we vote your house is better used by the people as a bingo parlor then we can vote to take it away from you. How about we vote and make it legal to rape all the hot women in town? Majority rules right?
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amazing.....
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 4:59:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bign: How many cigarette fiends commit violent crimes in order to buy that desperately needed pack? (As I have asthma, I do not like them smoking in my space though [;)])
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Since cigs are legal, this is not a valid comparison. You in fact proved a point to legalize drug use. If it is legal, people usually don't kill each other over it, at least not in the amounts that happen with illegal products
You're damn right they're responsible. There's a huge difference tween cig smokin and weed smokin.
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How is that exactly?
Do [b]you[/b] wnt a bunch of potheads drivin around when you take your kid to football practice or out to dinner??? (note the lack of soccer [:d]).
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Not really, no, but making marijuana illegal won't solve that. It will will be illegal to kill somebody
I wouldn't have really cared if they'd never repealed prohibition. Sure I drink a few beers now and then, but have never drank and drove. Drinking costs more lives and $$$ than cigs can begin to cost. Cigs don't cause anyone else problems but the ones smokin (long as you're not near it). It also would be more constitutinoal than banning guns. Boy I'll probably get flammed for that one.
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Right so. Prohibition of alcohol increased violence. Ending prohibition of alcohol decreased violence. Prohibition of drugs increased violence. And yet you still maintain that ending prohibition of drugs won't decrease violence? Amazing. And it is NOT constitutional for the Feds to ban drugs. At least the anti-alcohol people of the early 1900's recognized that one had to change the constitution before the feds had could ban alcohol. Drugs and alcohol are in the same category here.
My problem with libertarians: Drugs are BAD and show me where in The Constitution your right to smoke crack is protected.
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SOME drugs may be bad. But the problem is that it doesn't hurt other people, only the person taking them. Hence the government has no power to ban them. As for where in the Constitution it is protected: Check Amendments 9 and 10. But you really have it backwords. The Constitution does not "give" use the the right to smoke crack or keep guns, it only would RECOGNIZE it. We have the right until the Constitution is amended allowing the government to infringe on it.
These sorry fucks (druggies and dealers) are the ones giving libs the ammo to make "assalut weapons" (and more to come) illegal
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No, you are the one who is giving libs the ammo to make guns illegal. If we stopped prohibition, it would take away the ammo, because violence would stop.
Originally Posted By Bign: [size=6]FUCKOFF!!![/size=6] Are you a member of the ACLU???
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Great debating tactic.
We are the Govt (don't laugh), and if we (and I think the overwhelming majority of everyone in the country would agree) any way if [b]WE[/b] think drugs should be illegal, then [b]we[/b] have the right to make them illegal.
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So if WE the people decide to ban guns, that is okay, right? I didn't think so.
Originally Posted By Bign: You consider smokin crack a freedom????
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Yes, it would fall under the right to own and use property as one sees fit as long as such use does not interfere with other's life and liberty.
If recreational drugs were worth defending, Ole Ben, Thomas, and pals would've mentioned them in the Constitution or Madison would've added them into the Bill O' Rights. The same could be said for alcohol if one wanted to take it that far.
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Have you read any history? This is one of the arguments AGAINST including a Bill of Rights. They were fearful that only the rights listed would be protected, and others would be violated because they were not list. This is why the 9th Amendment was included. Go read it.
I'm still waiting to see where soemone can point out where it says "The right to smoke and inject mind altering drugs shall not be infringed....
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You have it backwards still. It doesn't have to say we can in the Constitution, only that we CAN'T.
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 5:02:08 PM EDT
Every time I read a thread like this it makes me sad. The overwhelming majority of people I meet every day are so poor at employing rational thought and so cravenly left wing it makes me what to puke. Then I come here for a breath of fresh air and what do I read. "You're damn right they're responsible. There's a huge difference tween cig smokin and weed smokin. Do you wnt a bunch of potheads drivin around when you take your kid to football practice or out to dinner??? (note the lack of soccer ). I wouldn't have really cared if they'd never repealed prohibition. Sure I drink a few beers now and then, but have never drank and drove. Drinking costs more lives and $$$ than cigs can begin to cost. Cigs don't cause anyone else problems but the ones smokin (long as you're not near it). It also would be more constitutinoal than banning guns. Boy I'll probably get flammed for that one. There IS a very valid link between these folks. period. My problem with libertarians: Drugs are BAD and show me where in The Constitution your right to smoke crack is protected. I like the AD, and I'd be happy to explain to any kid what it means. These sorry fucks (druggies and dealers) are the ones giving libs the ammo to make "assalut weapons" (and more to come) illegal" SO VERY SAD, pull you head out of your ass."Illegal Drugs" Who the fuck decided they were illegal and biased on what criterion? YOU WANT TO TELL ME WHAT I CAN INJEST WHEN IT DOES NOT CONSERN OR AFFECT YOU. What consenting adults do in there own home is UP TO THEM! How dare you aim to ban a "Drug" and how dare they aim to ban GUNS! PS: THE MOJORIEY IS ALMOST ALLWAYS WRONG!
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 5:29:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By RBAD: I was just watching Fox News with my little nephew. He is 4 years old and quite a bright little kid.
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In light of all the emotion that has circulated around this thread I almost forgot: RBAD Quit watching TV! [:)] Sorry, I can't pass an opportunity to slam TV. It pure propaganda. Its garbage. Its emotional drivel. It's the primary tool used to condition the masses into believing we can actually trade freedom for safety.
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Originally Posted By Bign: You consider smokin crack a freedom???? If recreational drugs were worth defending, Ole Ben, Thomas, and pals would've mentioned them in the Constitution or Madison would've added them into the Bill O' Rights. The same could be said for alcohol if one wanted to take it that far. I'm still waiting to see where soemone can point out where it says "The right to smoke and inject mind altering drugs shall not be infringed....
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The men you mentioned DID drink alcohol and smoke tobacco. Try this on for size: edited to add the Tenth Amendment: [b] Amendment X The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people. {For those not paying attention, if it is not expressed in the Constitution, it is the choice or the states or the people. Any Federal law that regulates any drug is void since the ratification of the 21st Amendment.) Amendment XVIII Section 1. After one year from the ratification of this article the manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors within, the importation thereof into, or the exportation thereof from the United States and all territory subject to the jurisdiction thereof for beverage purposes is hereby prohibited. Section 2. The Congress and the several states shall have concurrent power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. Section 3. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of the several states, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the states by the Congress. Amendment XXI Section 1. The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed. Section 2. The transportation or importation into any state, territory, or possession of the United States for delivery or use therein of intoxicating liquors, in violation of the laws thereof, is hereby prohibited. Section 3. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by conventions in the several states, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the states by the Congress. [/b] Alcohol has been the only intoxicant to have [b]EVER[/b] been declared illegal by the Constitution in 1919, and has been declared [b]legal[/b] since 1933. For the fist 144 years of this country there was no such animal as an illegal drug. You could mail order heroin or a Thompson SMG from Sears & Roebuck. Your ignorance of what the Founding Fathers envisioned is showing through. [b]Like it or not you are spouting the very same retoric used by the gun grabbers.[/b]
[url]http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0965399974/104-9315311-1766356[/url] Editorial Reviews Book Description "The Enemy Is Us" is a critical analysis of the United States' War on Drugs to enforce prohibition. The author makes a cogent case for control of drugs by returning to a legal, state-regulated, private-sector drug market as existed before Prohibition. He focuses on the facts of history to justify his position and to identify the bureaucratic blunders that led to drug prohibition. Few Americans today realize that all narcotics were legal from the beginning of this nation until the imposition of Prohibition in 1920. During the first 144 years of this nation anyone could purchase opium, heroin, morphine and cocaine-even from the Sears Roebuck catalog. Yet, despite the ready availability of legal drugs, the percentage of addicts in America's population was steadily declining for two decades before prohibition. Drug crime was negligible. But more important, by the government's own calculations, the percentage of addicts has quadrupled under prohibition. Crime associated with illegal drug trafficking menaces our society. This being true, what purpose does prohibition serve? Based on results achieved, the anti-drug bureaucracy cannot justify itself. The only beneficiaries of prohibition have been the illegal drug cartels and the federal drug warriors. The livelihood of both depend on the drug war continuing. Everyone else suffers, especially inner city juveniles. President Clinton told his Mexican audience in the summer of 1997, "America's problem is we comprise less than 5% of the world's population, but consume nearly half of the world's illegal drugs." Obviously, the problem is American's demand for illegal drugs, but the government tries to dry up the supply of drugs to enforce abstinence. However, in 78 years of drug prohibition, nary a soul has been saved from the drug habit for a lack of illegal drugs for sale. Washington's anti-drug bureaucrats make the self-serving claim that legalizing narcotics and cocaine will vastly increase the percentage of addicts in the population. As noted above, historical evidence ridicules that position. The government fails to recognize the effectiveness of thousands of motivated illegal drug entrepreneurs who borrowed the Amway Corporation's successful pyramid marketing strategy to spread drug use throughout the country. Illegal drug trafficking exacts a terrible cost in lives and money. Conversely, America experiences a steady decline in the per capita consumption of nicotine and alcohol. Little crime is associated with this legitimate market. But, illegal drug profits have created the world's greatest criminal enterprise which has corrupted every institution of this nation. Alcohol prohibition was determined to be a failure and repealed after 13 years. With repeal, Al Capone, bootleggers, hijackers, Tommy-guns, moonshiners, speakeasies and "flaming youth" all faded from the scene. America will experience a similar return to normalcy with drug legalization. Colonel Dowd presents a bold plan to lead America out of its drug morass and presents historical evidence to verify his strategy. The book refutes the government's self-serving declaration that only prohibition can control drugs. Read the facts and draw your own conclusions. "The Enemy Is Us" unveils the enemy at home and calls for an end to the government's mad rush toward a police state. No bureaucrat can save your children from the drug habit-only they can do that for themselves. From the Publisher Paradoxical, is the most apt way to describe Colonel Dowd. A retired career Air Force officer, conservative, Republican with deep moral convictions, he is not the typical advocate for legalizing drugs. However, he presents a well researched book that reaches logical conclusions that contradict the central thinking of Washington's policy makers. He spent 6 years researching and writing "The Enemy Is Us." His efforts have produced a thoughtful, intelligent and logical plan that every American...
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Link Posted: 9/22/2002 5:32:23 PM EDT
How about this kind of "shock" advertising..... "This is your government......" (Show pics of WA DC) "This is your government out of control....." (Show pics of WWII Hitler, SS troops marching, the camps, the book burnings, Australian piles of ammo, criminals and 'defenseless citizens...err peseants...)
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 5:55:10 PM EDT
Why is it every time a debate breaks out about illicit drug use, someone has to compare it to gun rights? Guns are fundamental to self defense and keeping the federal government in line. Illicit drugs fuck you up and eventually kill you. Sure, do with your body as you see fit, but don't say smoking your crack rock is the same as carrying a gun for self defense. Seems to me that the people who get so defensive about illicit drugs are the ones who use them. Get a life or just put a gun to your head and do the rest of us a favor. Junkies, crackheads, stoners...if I come across you while you're fucked up and messing with my stuff, I'm gonna kick your teeth in! Then when you come out of your stooper, maybe it will hit you that you're a screw up and need to stop abusing your body. USPC40 [img]www.ar15.com/members/albums/USPC40/line.gif[/img] [url=www.nra.org][b][red]NRA[/red][/url] [url=www.nra.org][blue]Life Member[/blue][/url] [url=www.gunowners.org][b][red]GOA[/red] [/url] [url=www.gunowners.org][blue]Life Member[/blue][/url] [url=www.saf.org][red]SAF[/red][/url] [url=www.saf.org][blue]Supporter[/blue][/url] [url=sas-aim.org][red]SAS[/red][/url] [url=sas-aim.org][blue]Supporter[/blue][/b][/url] [img]www.ar15.com/members/albums/USPC40/alabamaflag.gif[/img]
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 6:24:20 PM EDT
How would we poor ole regular folks ever get along without all you holier than thou motherfuckers. ALOT of people who rage at drug use often feel the need to point the finger and rage at other drug users to deflect attention from themselves and their own nasty little habits. I'd say there's a good chance this carries over to internet discussions.
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 6:39:00 PM EDT
Originally Posted By USPC40: Why is it every time a debate breaks out about illicit drug use, someone has to compare it to gun rights? Guns are fundamental to self defense and keeping the federal government in line. Illicit drugs fuck you up and eventually kill you. Sure, do with your body as you see fit, but don't say smoking your crack rock is the same as carrying a gun for self defense. Seems to me that the people who get so defensive about illicit drugs are the ones who use them. Get a life or just put a gun to your head and do the rest of us a favor. Junkies, crackheads, stoners...if I come across you while you're fucked up and messing with my stuff, I'm gonna kick your teeth in! Then when you come out of your stooper, maybe it will hit you that you're a screw up and need to stop abusing your body. USPC40 [url]www.ar15.com/members/albums/USPC40/line.gif[/url] [url=www.nra.org][b][red]NRA[/red][/url] [url=www.nra.org][blue]Life Member[/blue][/url] [url=www.gunowners.org][b][red]GOA[/red] [/url] [url=www.gunowners.org][blue]Life Member[/blue][/url] [url=www.saf.org][red]SAF[/red][/url] [url=www.saf.org][blue]Supporter[/blue][/url] [url=sas-aim.org][red]SAS[/red][/url] [url=sas-aim.org][blue]Supporter[/blue][/b][/url] [url]www.ar15.com/members/albums/USPC40/alabamaflag.gif[/url]
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Better said than I uspc40, but I never have been one for debating skills. Sometimes I just become so dumbfounded at the responses defending EVIL and IRRESPONSIBILITY, that I can't think of the right thing to say. What really saddens me is either: A. Some folks hope somehow that if they can justify and say that the drug war is unconstitutional, maybe the same justification can be used on our gun right.......kinda like comparing patriots to rapists OR B. That perhaps there are more lowlife druggie fucks out there than I am aware of. For those saying that it's what is put into my own body, its ny own business.... Sure it is, and if it didn't fuck you up and cause you to put other folks in danger, then fine. Again I draw attention to places where it is legal, or lawless enough that it doesn't matter. Spend much time in Mexico.....Weed and drinkin all over the place. Shootin in the club by a bunch of drunk Mexicans....music stops for a few minutes, that's about it. How SAFE did you feel there????? It seems that some are confusing freedom with anarchy...... By the way, when the joint UN-ATF force knocks on your door, are you gonna defend yourself by pelting them with crack rocks....
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 7:01:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By USPC40: Why is it every time a debate breaks out about illicit drug use, someone has to compare it to gun rights? Guns are fundamental to self defense and keeping the federal government in line. Illicit drugs fuck you up and eventually kill you. Sure, do with your body as you see fit, but don't say smoking your crack rock is the same as carrying a gun for self defense. Seems to me that the people who get so defensive about illicit drugs are the ones who use them. Get a life or just put a gun to your head and do the rest of us a favor. Junkies, crackheads, stoners...if I come across you while you're fucked up and messing with my stuff, I'm gonna kick your teeth in! Then when you come out of your stooper, maybe it will hit you that you're a screw up and need to stop abusing your body. USPC40
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Jeez... you sure are painting with a mighty big brush. I drink a few beers, sip some bourbon and scotch. Hell, on the 10th of November I get DRUNK OFF MY ASS!! (I spend the 11th nursing a terrible hangover and remembering my fellow veterens.) The only time I use tobacco is during Mess Night, when I light a cigar to honor those who could not attend. I have no desire for any other mind altering or addictive substance, and I am hardly addicted to alcohol. Yes, I have seen the consequences of addiction, but there is no law that can prevent such tragedies. What about gambling and porn? Those are two of the most addictive habits known to mankind, but since they are taxed and regulated, Uncle Sugar turns a blind eye. The same applies to alcohol and tobacco, and can be applied to other drugs as well. Don't forget about the alcoholics and the nicotine fiends when you start kicking teeth in. Or by chance,if they, the Rummies and the Nicos, were messing with your stuff, or were sober as a Saint, it would be then be OK to mess with your stuff? If I didn't know better I might begin to think a few of our members had escaped from DU, considering all of the emotional pillow biting and hand wringing present in this thread. I'm STILL waiting for a LOGICAL presentation on the CONSTITUTIONAL authority to ban drugs. I am not saying these so called illegal drugs are harmless, they do destroy many, many lives. But so do those drugs that have government approval.
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maybe we need a poll...just to see how far off I am. Giving that same logic as I've seen, I suppose you boys think prostitution should be be legal too...and abortion. Hey who are we to point our "moral compass at others" Fuck the baby, that woman has a right to shurk her responsibilities...
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 7:34:10 PM EDT
Originally Posted By markl32: In light of all the emotion that has circulated around this thread I almost forgot: RBAD Quit watching TV! [:)]
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EXCUSE ME !!! ???!!!! Have you ever SEEN Jane Skinner / Laurie Dhue / Kiran Chetry ???? [:P]
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 7:38:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DPeacher: Jeez... you sure are painting with a mighty big brush. I drink a few beers, sip some bourbon and scotch. Hell, on the 10th of November I get DRUNK OFF MY ASS!! (I spend the 11th nursing a terrible hangover and remembering my fellow veterens.) The only time I use tobacco is during Mess Night, when I light a cigar to honor those who could not attend. I have no desire for any other mind altering or addictive substance, and I am hardly addicted to alcohol. Yes, I have seen the consequences of addiction, but there is no law that can prevent such tragedies. What about gambling and porn? Those are two of the most addictive habits known to mankind, but since they are taxed and regulated, Uncle Sugar turns a blind eye. The same applies to alcohol and tobacco, and can be applied to other drugs as well. Don't forget about the alcoholics and the nicotine fiends when you start kicking teeth in. Or by chance,if they, the Rummies and the Nicos, were messing with your stuff, or were sober as a Saint, it would be then be OK to mess with your stuff? If I didn't know better I might begin to think a few of our members had escaped from DU, considering all of the emotional pillow biting and hand wringing present in this thread. I'm STILL waiting for a LOGICAL presentation on the CONSTITUTIONAL authority to ban drugs. I am not saying these so called illegal drugs are harmless, they do destroy many, many lives. But so do those drugs that have government approval.
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Go back and actually read what I wrote. I never said ban anything. While I personally would never use crack, cocaine, marijuana, heroin, ecstasy, PCP, LSD, crystal meth or any other illicit drug, I never said anything about their legality. I don't smoke and rarely drink. All I'm saying is, if you decide you need to put garbage in your body, don't end up on my property or mess with my stuff because you're so out of it you don't know where you are or what you're doing. If you do, I will make you regret it. I believe in "live and let live". Just take precautions when you decide to drug yourself. Don't get behind the wheel and kill someone. Don't go jumping off a building because you're messed up and possibly damage the concrete below that my tax money paid for. USPC40 [img]www.ar15.com/members/albums/USPC40/line.gif[/img] [url=www.nra.org][b][red]NRA[/red][/url] [url=www.nra.org][blue]Life Member[/blue][/url] [url=www.gunowners.org][b][red]GOA[/red] [/url] [url=www.gunowners.org][blue]Life Member[/blue][/url] [url=www.saf.org][red]SAF[/red][/url] [url=www.saf.org][blue]Supporter[/blue][/url] [url=sas-aim.org][red]SAS[/red][/url] [url=sas-aim.org][blue]Supporter[/blue][/b][/url] [img]www.ar15.com/members/albums/USPC40/alabamaflag.gif[/img]
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 7:55:08 PM EDT
Originally Posted By RBAD: EXCUSE ME !!! ???!!!! Have you ever SEEN Jane Skinner / Laurie Dhue / Kiran Chetry ???? [:P]
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You're so right! Don't forget Juliet Huddy and E.D. Hill. They're one of the main reasons I watch Fox and Friends. USPC40 [img]www.ar15.com/members/albums/USPC40/line.gif[/img] [url=www.nra.org][b][red]NRA[/red][/url] [url=www.nra.org][blue]Life Member[/blue][/url] [url=www.gunowners.org][b][red]GOA[/red] [/url] [url=www.gunowners.org][blue]Life Member[/blue][/url] [url=www.saf.org][red]SAF[/red][/url] [url=www.saf.org][blue]Supporter[/blue][/url] [url=sas-aim.org][red]SAS[/red][/url] [url=sas-aim.org][blue]Supporter[/blue][/b][/url] [img]www.ar15.com/members/albums/USPC40/alabamaflag.gif[/img]
Link Posted: 9/22/2002 8:01:37 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Bign: maybe we need a poll...just to see how far off I am. Giving that same logic as I've seen, I suppose you boys think prostitution should be be legal too...and abortion. Hey who are we to point our "moral compass at others" Fuck the baby, that woman has a right to shurk her responsibilities...
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You can poll until the cows come home but it still will not settle the Constitutional debate over the legitimacy of this country's so called War on Drugs. And the last time I checked, there were no federal laws regulating prostitution, and in fact there are some communities in the USA where it IS LEGAL. Abortion is murder, and just because it is legal in this world does not mean it is approved of in the next. "Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. A Republic is a well armed sheep disputing the outcome." The last time I checked, the United States was still a Constitutional Republic, whose representatives are sworn to support and defend the Constitution, not do what they "feel" is right. The War on Drugs, the War on Poverty, and the War on Terrorism, are nothing more then tools to be used to dismantle the Constitution, and enslave the citizenry, with the sheeples consent. I'm still waiting for a LOGICAL and FACTUAL debate. So far I have seen nothing but pure liberal emotion with a good measure of hypocrisy. Sara Brady would be so proud of you guys!
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