Posted: 7/3/2011 10:07:02 AM EDT
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Looking at 1-4x variable scopes. Will be using it on a 16" AR-15 and/or Sig 556. Came across a Bushnell Elite 4200 1.25-4X24 and Weaver Classic Extreme 1.5-4.5x24. Basically, looking for a good scope, in the $400 range, that can be used for duty use too. Which to get? Or other suggestions? |
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The Viper is worth saving for. Read this thread to make a educated decision.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=421244 |
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I'm leaning towards the Burris Tac30 now. For $75 more ($500 total), I can get the scope, PEPR mount, and Burris Fastfire II red dot. |
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Used Meopta K-dot. They can be had for close to your budget. Not familiar with Meopta. For the same price: An used Meopta K-dot > new Burris Tac 30 w/Burris Fastfire II & PEPR mount? I am not really familiar with the Burris, but the Meopta will have superior glass(brighter and clearer) it also has the lighted reticle that is visible in daylight. Meopta does have a lifetime transferable warranty, so no worries about buying used. That said that does sound like a good price on the tac30 with the extras. |
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Quoted: Here's a review and reticle pics of the Tac 30.Quoted: Quoted: Used Meopta K-dot. They can be had for close to your budget. Not familiar with Meopta. For the same price: An used Meopta K-dot > new Burris Tac 30 w/Burris Fastfire II & PEPR mount? I am not really familiar with the Burris, but the Meopta will have superior glass(brighter and clearer) it also has the lighted reticle that is visible in daylight. Meopta does have a lifetime transferable warranty, so no worries about buying used. That said that does sound like a good price on the tac30 with the extras. http://www.opticstalk.com/burris-fullfield-tac30-14_topic27231_page1.html ETA: arfcom review http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=515291 |
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For the money it looks tough to go wrong on the tac30. I would probably go with a Larue or ADM mount. I have had the Pepr in the past, and while it got the job done I wasn't very fond of it.
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Here's a review and reticle pics of the Tac 30.
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Used Meopta K-dot. They can be had for close to your budget. Not familiar with Meopta. For the same price: An used Meopta K-dot > new Burris Tac 30 w/Burris Fastfire II & PEPR mount? I am not really familiar with the Burris, but the Meopta will have superior glass(brighter and clearer) it also has the lighted reticle that is visible in daylight. Meopta does have a lifetime transferable warranty, so no worries about buying used. That said that does sound like a good price on the tac30 with the extras. http://www.opticstalk.com/burris-fullfield-tac30-14_topic27231_page1.html ETA: arfcom review http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=515291 |
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Get a Hi-Lux 1-4x24mm CMR
http://www.hi-luxoptics.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=51&Itemid=56 You will have money left over. They are a fantastic scope. |
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Quoted: Get a Hi-Lux 1-4x24mm CMR http://www.hi-luxoptics.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=51&Itemid=56 You will have money left over. They are a fantastic scope. It costs more than the Burris Tac 30. |
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Vortex PST .. Looks nice. Just a tad over my budget. I have been looking a 1-4x myself. My son just bought a Vortex PST 1-4x and all I can say is wow. Wasn't sure I would like the reticle but after using it in a 3-gun match Saturday and some shooting earlier in the week, I found it easy to use. The illuminated reticle isn't quite bright enough for daytime use but that was not an issue for me. A couple other guys who have Nikon M223 scopes both said the Vortex had better optics, and I would not disagree. Even though it is about $100 more than you wanted to spend, I think it is well worth the price. |
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Get a Hi-Lux 1-4x24mm CMR http://www.hi-luxoptics.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=51&Itemid=56 You will have money left over. They are a fantastic scope. It costs more than the Burris Tac 30. It's also a better scope developed for military use. Put it to you this way, it passed Russian military testing........that is extremely tough. |
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Gunwrtr, would you rank the hilux above the kdot or vortex?
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Get a Hi-Lux 1-4x24mm CMR http://www.hi-luxoptics.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=51&Itemid=56 You will have money left over. They are a fantastic scope. It costs more than the Burris Tac 30. It's also a better scope developed for military use. Put it to you this way, it passed Russian military testing........that is extremely tough. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Get a Hi-Lux 1-4x24mm CMR http://www.hi-luxoptics.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=51&Itemid=56 You will have money left over. They are a fantastic scope. It costs more than the Burris Tac 30. It's also a better scope developed for military use. Put it to you this way, it passed Russian military testing........that is extremely tough. How does the illuminated reticle hold up in daylight? |
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I have a Trijicon Accupoint, and it's a great scope. In your price range, the Leupold VX-II or whatever the equivalent is might work. Eye relief is kinda long for an AR though. http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/8810 I have this scope on my .375 H&H rifle. I've got 500 or 600 rounds of full power .375 ammo through it, plus a bunch of reduced recoil loads. |
| The Meopta K-Dot is a fantastic scope. The glass and illumination is lightyears beyond anything in the $400 range. It is also an older design, and longer than a lot of the current optics (unless they've been revamped.) They do not have a super tactical rangefinding holdover reticle however. I'd snap a used one up for $400. |
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Get a Hi-Lux 1-4x24mm CMR http://www.hi-luxoptics.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=51&Itemid=56 You will have money left over. They are a fantastic scope. It costs more than the Burris Tac 30. It's also a better scope developed for military use. Put it to you this way, it passed Russian military testing........that is extremely tough. How does the illuminated reticle hold up in daylight? Lots of good photos of the reticle in a review thread in the Optics forum. |
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I look for clarity. It's gotta make you go "wow" when you look through it.
Then how good it tracks and hold zero. Nothing sucks worse than a scope that wanders around when you try to zero it. The next important part of the equation is the quality of the mount. If a scope is all bound up and twisted in the mount because of crooked cheap ass rings or a shitty uneven torqued mount job, it's not going to track and will change zero with every shot. After that is how low can I get it so my cheek falls right on the stock and I don't have to any adjusting to get perfect eye relief. I just want to pull the gun up with my head in a natural position and cheek planted on the stock and be looking right down the center of the scope and on target. Of course, this matters more as the recoil of the gun increases. |
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Get a Hi-Lux 1-4x24mm CMR http://www.hi-luxoptics.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=51&Itemid=56 You will have money left over. They are a fantastic scope. It costs more than the Burris Tac 30. It's also a better scope developed for military use. Put it to you this way, it passed Russian military testing........that is extremely tough. I didn't much care for the Vortex I tested. I own a K-Dot and I love/hate it. I love the optics, magnification range, daylight visible illumination and build quality. I hate the tube length and hunting reticle. Keep in mind the K-Dot is just a big game scope. It's a good reticle for out to 300 yards but a lil too plain for me. The tube needs a foot hacked off the front too. The Hi-Lux is a better designed scope for the intended function. The K-Dot is a better scope and daylight illumination beats non-illuminated. |
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Get a Hi-Lux 1-4x24mm CMR http://www.hi-luxoptics.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=51&Itemid=56 You will have money left over. They are a fantastic scope. It costs more than the Burris Tac 30. It's also a better scope developed for military use. Put it to you this way, it passed Russian military testing........that is extremely tough. How does the illuminated reticle hold up in daylight? Not visible in bright light. On the flip side it has night vision settings. Hi-Lux has a new generation of the CMR coming out. It will be slightly more expensive but will have some improvements based directly on user feedback. It's a very well thought out piece and the designer spent a lot of time on a two way range. Hi-Lux has a DMR scope coming out next. A 2-10x which should be pretty sweet. |
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Was just looking over the specs of the Meopta K-Dot. It's 12 inches long and 18.7 ounces! Looks like the Tac30 is only an inch shorter and 1.7 ounces lighter. The CMR is 10.2 inches long and 17 ounces (same as Tac30). I'm digging the length (9.2 inches) and weight (9.5 ounces) of the Leupold Mark AR. No illuminated reticle though.  |
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Was just looking over the specs of the Meopta K-Dot. It's 12 inches long and 18.7 ounces! Looks like the Tac30 is only an inch shorter and 1.7 ounces lighter. The CMR is 10.2 inches long and 17 ounces (same as Tac30). I'm digging the length (9.2 inches) and weight (9.5 ounces) of the Leupold Mark AR. No illuminated reticle though. I would ask myself why a scope that's 30% shorter than the others is 50% lighter than the others, and I'm quite the Leupold fan. |
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Quoted: Vortex PST 1-4. $500. Just sighted one in, and I love it. Save up a bit more and buy one. Good length and I can deal with the weight. The Tac30/Fastfire II/PEPR mount combo is the same price. Guess this combo package is appealing since I get all this for a pretty good price. I will probably upgrade to an ADM mount in the near future though. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Was just looking over the specs of the Meopta K-Dot. It's 12 inches long and 18.7 ounces! Looks like the Tac30 is only an inch shorter and 1.7 ounces lighter. The CMR is 10.2 inches long and 17 ounces (same as Tac30). I'm digging the length (9.2 inches) and weight (9.5 ounces) of the Leupold Mark AR. No illuminated reticle though. I would ask myself why a scope that's 30% shorter than the others is 50% lighter than the others, and I'm quite the Leupold fan. Just figured shorter and lighter might be a good thing.  ETA: How about a Leupold 1.5-5x20 VX-III illuminated duplex for $450? |
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Was just looking over the specs of the Meopta K-Dot. It's 12 inches long and 18.7 ounces! Looks like the Tac30 is only an inch shorter and 1.7 ounces lighter. The CMR is 10.2 inches long and 17 ounces (same as Tac30). I'm digging the length (9.2 inches) and weight (9.5 ounces) of the Leupold Mark AR. No illuminated reticle though. I would ask myself why a scope that's 30% shorter than the others is 50% lighter than the others, and I'm quite the Leupold fan. Just figured shorter and lighter might be a good thing.
ETA: How about a Leupold 1.5-5x20 VX-III illuminated duplex for $450? I think VX-IIIs are good scopes. They make a 30mm, VXIII "euro" 1.5-5 that has a German #4 post, illumination and is about that price. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Was just looking over the specs of the Meopta K-Dot. It's 12 inches long and 18.7 ounces! Looks like the Tac30 is only an inch shorter and 1.7 ounces lighter. The CMR is 10.2 inches long and 17 ounces (same as Tac30). I'm digging the length (9.2 inches) and weight (9.5 ounces) of the Leupold Mark AR. No illuminated reticle though. I would ask myself why a scope that's 30% shorter than the others is 50% lighter than the others, and I'm quite the Leupold fan. Just figured shorter and lighter might be a good thing. ETA: How about a Leupold 1.5-5x20 VX-III illuminated duplex for $450? I think VX-IIIs are good scopes. They make a 30mm, VXIII "euro" 1.5-5 that has a German #4 post, illumination and is about that price. Found a Weaver Super Slam 1.5-6x24, illuminated (green&red) German #4, first focal plane for $480. Also comes with $50 mail in rebate, and a free Buck Commander Black Timber hunting pack (like I need another BOB ).Do you think the glass on the Weaver is comparable to the Vortex PST? |