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Posted: 5/7/2002 5:55:39 PM EDT
Eine europäische Initiative sollte die USA - aus denen eine Vielzahl von Gewaltspielen kommen - ins Blickfeld nehmen. "Wir müssen den amerikanischen Freunden sagen: Freiheit darf nicht so grenzenlos sein, wie ihr sie praktiziert", erklärte Vogel "A European initiative should focus on the USA, where many of the violent [computer] games com from. 'We have to tell our American friends: Liberty and freedom can't be as boundless as you're practicing it, declared [Prime Minister of Thuringia, Dr. Bernhard] Vogel [Christian Democrats = conservative party] What shall I say? How about "Come get some"? [sniper]
Link Posted: 5/7/2002 6:01:22 PM EDT
Kraut bastards
Link Posted: 5/7/2002 6:03:43 PM EDT
Its so much easier to understand Nuremburg if you realize the blame got passed upward. true again in this case, which is a comforting reminder that the Germans are still beneath us.
Link Posted: 5/7/2002 6:06:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By grimshaw: a comforting reminder that the Germans are still beneath us.
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Ahem, I resent that remark. The Germans are just fine, once they get the hell outta Kraut City. Mit freundlichen Gruessen aus Colorado.
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Link Posted: 5/7/2002 6:15:05 PM EDT
Ok,the USA can make a deal with the gremans.We will stop creating violent games if they stop making sick shizen (SP?) movies![puke]
Link Posted: 5/7/2002 6:19:08 PM EDT
Lets see. They blame us for violent computer games. We blame them for WWI and WWII. Euro-trash.
Link Posted: 5/7/2002 6:19:32 PM EDT
In all seriousness, how do you prevent random acts of violence? Could the WTC/Pentagon attacks or Dunblane Massacre in England have been prevented? Of course with 20/20 hindsight that is possible. Should've, could've, would've. What it boils down to, there are no sure things in life, except for death & taxes.
Link Posted: 5/7/2002 6:22:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By M4_Aiming_at_U: Ok,the USA can make a deal with the gremans.We will stop creating violent games if they stop making sick shizen (SP?) movies![puke]
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Huh? I think those are japanese. Where do you find that stuff to begin with? To figure out how Germans feel once they are settled here, watch Independence Day and The Patriot, both directed by a guy who came from over there. As far as I can tell, it's somewhat like "Screw you and that stick up your butt, I like it here, I'm staying, you'll never get me back, bwhahahaha." [usa] [usa] [usa]
Link Posted: 5/7/2002 6:29:12 PM EDT
Leck Mich!, Arschloch!
Link Posted: 5/7/2002 6:37:05 PM EDT
We have to tell our American friends: Liberty and freedom can't be as boundless as you're practicing it
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Hey, Adolph: Nannying and socialism can't be as boundless as you're practicing it. [stick] Horst: [threatingly] We Germans aren't all smiles und sunshine. Burns: [recoils in mock horror] Oooh, the Germans are mad at me. I'm so scared! Oooh, the Germans! [hiding behind Smithers] Uh oh, the Germans are going to get me! Horst: Stop it! Man 2: Stop, sir. Burns: Don't let the Germans come after me. Oh no, the Germans are coming after me. Man 2: Please stop the `pretending you are scared' game, please. Horst: Stop it! Stop it! Burns: [brief pause, then resumes] No! They're so big and strong! Man 2: Stop it. Horst: Stop it, Mr. Burns. Man 2: Please stop pretending you are scared of us, please, now. Burns: Oh, protect me from the Germans! The Germans... Horst: Burns, STOP IT!
Link Posted: 5/7/2002 8:16:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kar98:
Originally Posted By M4_Aiming_at_U: Ok,the USA can make a deal with the gremans.We will stop creating violent games if they stop making sick shizen (SP?) movies![puke]
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Huh? I think those are japanese. Where do you find that stuff to begin with? To figure out how Germans feel once they are settled here, watch Independence Day and The Patriot, both directed by a guy who came from over there. As far as I can tell, it's somewhat like "Screw you and that stick up your butt, I like it here, I'm staying, you'll never get me back, bwhahahaha."
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No dude they were defiantly speaking german.once, I was at my friends house when I was about 12 and we were all going to watch a movie but before my friend put it in the VCR he wanted to see what tape was in there.well low and behold his dad must have forgot this tape in the VCR. what the saddest thing about it was i was eating a brownie at the time!
Link Posted: 5/7/2002 8:32:19 PM EDT
It made me sick when one of the German adults made a reference to "American-style violence. Remember when that Japanese cult loosed poisonous gas into the Tokya subway? I suppose releasing poisonous gas into an enclosed area counts as "German-style" violence. Make me want to watch Die Hard again.
Link Posted: 5/7/2002 8:46:16 PM EDT
Originally Posted By blackmanta: It made me sick when one of the German adults made a reference to "American-style violence. Remember when that Japanese cult loosed poisonous gas into the Tokya subway? I suppose releasing poisonous gas into an enclosed area counts as "German-style" violence. Make me want to watch Die Hard again.
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"Germany-style violence" would entail a more civilized act by the gov't (Ahem: For the children), declaring certain classes (You decide which) "invalid" &/or "undesirable", then quietly, discretely,...hol zem away to zee uvenz to clens da mudorlund.[(:)] Ahem. - NoWutEyeMeen? Germany's hyper-strict gun laws are the US' fault. Maybe if we feed Boxer, Sweinstein, & Davis to them, they'll call off the BS brigade.[(:)]
Link Posted: 5/7/2002 9:05:08 PM EDT
It sounds like a bunch of BS to me. I work in the video game biz. Number one, any video game headed for Germany has almost all of the gore taken out. Some violent games are straight out banned if they can't be toned down to meet their censorship standard. In a video game that I worked on, the German localization had all the blood changed to green and minimalized 80%. And these were dinosaurs. If I remember correctly, the German version of Return to Castle Wolfentstein had all of the Nazi symbols and references removed, all the gibs were gone and the blood was also turned to green. I think the enemy soldiers became andriods. Scapegoating!
Link Posted: 5/7/2002 10:04:50 PM EDT
Forwarded this thread to aforementioned PM of Thuringia, or rather to his office clone. Let them choke on the reactions :) Good job guys :)
Link Posted: 5/7/2002 10:20:46 PM EDT
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[img]pweb.netcom.com/~mattja/pics/deiter.bmp[/img] "Now is the time on Sprockets vhen ve dance." German Liberal = [img]pweb.netcom.com/~mattja/pics/butthead.gif[/img]
Link Posted: 5/7/2002 11:53:23 PM EDT
Let's blame the Germans for making HK, Sig and Glock that caused all the shootings in the US, not to mention bad rap lyrics. Sig is a Swiss company, but export guns are made in Germany. Glock is Austrian, but really they are just Germans who haven't got a clue yet.
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 12:48:32 AM EDT
Originally Posted By M4_Aiming_at_U:
Originally Posted By Kar98:
Originally Posted By M4_Aiming_at_U: Ok,the USA can make a deal with the gremans.We will stop creating violent games if they stop making sick shizen (SP?) movies![puke]
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Huh? I think those are japanese. Where do you find that stuff to begin with? To figure out how Germans feel once they are settled here, watch Independence Day and The Patriot, both directed by a guy who came from over there. As far as I can tell, it's somewhat like "Screw you and that stick up your butt, I like it here, I'm staying, you'll never get me back, bwhahahaha."
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No dude they were defiantly speaking german.once, I was at my friends house when I was about 12 and we were all going to watch a movie but before my friend put it in the VCR he wanted to see what tape was in there.well low and behold his dad must have forgot this tape in the VCR. what the saddest thing about it was i was eating a brownie at the time!
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I think the confusion stems from your spelling the term as "shizen", when (I ass-ume) you're referring to "scheisse" movies (the ones where they shit all over each other). I didn't realize they were for real -- the only reference I've seen to them was in an episode of "South Park". [puke]
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 5:43:24 AM EDT
Originally Posted By M4_Aiming_at_U: Ok,the USA can make a deal with the gremans.We will stop creating violent games if they stop making sick shizen (SP?) movies![puke]
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Uggh! This would be a fair deal. I was in Ireland for an overseas study program back in 1990. I was flipping though cable TV at 1 in the a.m. and saw about 10 minutes of one of these movies. VERY SICK!
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 5:57:44 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Renamed:
We have to tell our American friends: Liberty and freedom can't be as boundless as you're practicing it
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Hey, Adolph: Nannying and socialism can't be as boundless as you're practicing it. [stick]
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Yeah, baby. That says it pretty well.
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 6:05:01 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Javak: Let's blame the Germans for making HK, Sig and Glock that caused all the shootings in the US, not to mention bad rap lyrics.
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Maybe we should remind the who invented the Assault Rifle. [img]www.sturmgewehr.com/sturmgewehr.jpg[/img] [size=4]Sturmgewehr: "Storm Rifle" - the first assault rifle.[/size=4]
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 6:16:52 AM EDT
I just shook my head and laughed. The Germans need lessons from us on violence? Well, you know what they say about opinions.
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 8:58:25 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Fian: I was flipping though cable TV at 1 in the a.m. and saw about [red]10 minutes[/red] of one of these movies. VERY SICK!
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Hmmmmmm? Just flipping through? [:)]
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 9:07:11 PM EDT
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[whacko] Man [whacko]
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 9:19:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Kar98: Eine europäische Initiative sollte die USA - aus denen eine Vielzahl von Gewaltspielen kommen - ins Blickfeld nehmen. "Wir müssen den amerikanischen Freunden sagen: Freiheit darf nicht so grenzenlos sein, wie ihr sie praktiziert", erklärte Vogel "A European initiative should focus on the USA, where many of the violent [computer] games com from. 'We have to tell our American friends: Liberty and freedom can't be as boundless as you're practicing it, declared [Prime Minister of Thuringia, Dr. Bernhard] Vogel [red][Christian Democrats = conservative party][/red] What shall I say? How about "Come get some"? [sniper]
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Not to be too picky, Kar, but please don't fall for that leftist gibberish about who's a conservative and who isn't. The CDU/CSU are slightly left of center on damn near all issues. Besides, I really don't think that someone from the ehemalige DDR is really conservative no matter what party he belongs to.
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 9:32:46 PM EDT
I suppose it would be too obvious and make way too much sense to hold the shooter responsible for his actions? Yeah, I thought so... Of course you can't prevent random violence in an open society... but an armed response can stop it from continuing and minimize the damage. Ever notice how the victims are never in a position to shoot back? That's by design...
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 11:55:13 AM EDT
Originally Posted By zoinks: Not to be too picky, Kar, but please don't fall for that leftist gibberish about who's a conservative and who isn't. The CDU/CSU are slightly left of center on damn near all issues.
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I am aware of that. "Conservative" is their self-definition, but in reality there's not really much difference between the CDU/CSU and the SPD/PDS.
Besides, I really don't think that someone from the ehemalige DDR is really conservative no matter what party he belongs to.
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See, the funny part is, that guy was actually imported from West Germany to serve as governor of this East German state. And myself, I was born in East Germany, and you'd be hard pressed to find somebody more conservative than I am.
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 12:03:16 PM EDT
Geez, are the Germans *ever* going to take any responsibility for [u]anything[/u] they do?
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 1:24:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SysProg: I suppose it would be too obvious and make way too much sense to hold the shooter responsible for his actions? Yeah, I thought so... Of course you can't prevent random violence in an open society... but an armed response can stop it from continuing and minimize the damage. Ever notice how the victims are never in a position to shoot back? That's by design...
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Yes, that makes too much sense for them. Plus, if they did that, then they would also have to admit that their blood and kin are responsible for what the Nazis did. The problem is, they would rather deny any real problem exists, so they ignore it until it comes back to bite them in the ass, then they blame it on someone else. That's the same reason the Nazis were able to come to power and commit mass genocide - because the German public was more comfortable pulling the wool over their eyes and pretending it wasn't happening.
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 1:44:11 PM EDT
I thought most of the so-called "violent" video games came from Japan... hmmm... why can't people take responsibility for their own actions!!! people love to blame games, music, and movies, claiming it influenced them to do things! BS!
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 9:38:51 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Kar98:
Originally Posted By zoinks: Not to be too picky, Kar, but please don't fall for that leftist gibberish about who's a conservative and who isn't. The CDU/CSU are slightly left of center on damn near all issues.
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I am aware of that. "Conservative" is their self-definition, but in reality there's not really much difference between the CDU/CSU and the SPD/PDS.
Besides, I really don't think that someone from the ehemalige DDR is really conservative no matter what party he belongs to.
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See, the funny part is, that guy was actually imported from West Germany to serve as governor of this East German state. And myself, I was born in East Germany, and you'd be hard pressed to find somebody more conservative than I am.
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I should've been more specific. I didn't know you were going to throw down a "trump card." [:D] I meant politicians, not real people.
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 9:45:30 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Arc_Angel:
Originally Posted By SysProg: I suppose it would be too obvious and make way too much sense to hold the shooter responsible for his actions? Yeah, I thought so... Of course you can't prevent random violence in an open society... but an armed response can stop it from continuing and minimize the damage. Ever notice how the victims are never in a position to shoot back? That's by design...
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Yes, that makes too much sense for them. Plus, if they did that, then they would also have to admit that their blood and kin are responsible for what the Nazis did. The problem is, they would rather deny any real problem exists, so they ignore it until it comes back to bite them in the ass, then they blame it on someone else. That's the same reason the Nazis were able to come to power and commit mass genocide - because the German public was more comfortable pulling the wool over their eyes and pretending it wasn't happening.
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Actually, it's a lot more complicated than that. But, suffice to say, however you guys think of today's Germans in comparison with WWII Germans, they are entirely different. Even the neo-nazis have very little in common withe the original Nazis. Todays German is almost undifferentiated from any other socialist leaning European. Except they make better Beer than most. Perminator--Das helle Bock[beer]
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