[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Bladerunner (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 11/28/2005 11:29:55 AM EDT
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Now available at WalMart for $3.49 or somesuch lowball price. I've never "gotten" the movie. And I've rented it 5 or 6 times in all these years. But even I couldn't pass up this price. Also got "The Last Boy Scout" with Bruce Willis from the same bin. Only problem with it is I can't figure out how to turn off the subtitles. English with english subtitles.  But it was cheap enough. 
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"I have seen things you would not believe... I have seen attack ships on fire off of Orions shoulder... I have seen seabeems glittering near the Tannhauser Gate.... All these moments will be lost, like tears in the rain....." Best line ever IMHO.....very sad when you think about it...very appropo to current things, ie WWII vets dying every day. The things they saw, their memories go with them, unless someone records them.... |
and... a candle that burns twice as bright burns half as long... |
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Couple of worthless points of trivia... In Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace, (in the computer-generated metropolis of Coruscant scene), you will find the use of Blade Runner's police spinners in the film.  AND!!! In Blade Runner, you will find the Millenium Falcon used as a building in the background. The first time it appears is in the scene just after Leon has shot Holden at the beginning of the film. A spinner is flying towards the viewer. It passes a large lighted advertising billboard, which is on the right side of the screen. To the left you can see the Falcon/building.  It is difficult to make-out the outline of the ship because of the darkness of the film, but it is well documented. |
Yup, that really is what the movie was about. |
But the question is, would you have understood the movie without the V/O without having seen the original. I agree the director's cut is better, but I doubt I could have followed the movie without having seen the original. |
I followed it quite easily, but Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? is a favorite book of mine. It's quite different from Blade Runner in a lot of aspects, and a whole lot more detailed. It provides a lot more insight into little comments like about if the owl was artificial, etc.... I still haven't seen the original movie. |
And you have burned so brightly, Roy. ...or..theres a turtle on its back baking in the sun....you're not helping it...why aren't you helping it... Those were the weirdest fat cigarettes...or maybe they weren't cigarettes... |
Now I'm not usually a stupid woman, but I rented the director's cut of Bladerunner just a couple of weeks ago and could only manage to sit through half of it. I couldn't keep track of who was who was doing what to whom. I'd rather watch the one with the voiceover so I'd have a guide, but it was such a yawner that it'll take me a while to bother. |
Director's cut is the way to go, I love that movie.
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I like Deckard's gun. That thing is cool as hell. One of these days I want to get a replica of it. One of the many reasons I hate Daryl Hannah. Great movie, but I kind of know what you mean. I like it, but when I first saw it my reaction was, "that's it? What's all the hype about?" |
At least in the director's cut, it's pretty obvious. The origami unicorn after the dream with the unicorn was not a coincidence, it was most definitely a message. |
From the horses mouth:
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Horse Hockey......You've been sold on that opinion(your age is showing). The original version set the standard. "Bryant is the kinda cop used to call some men niggers". " I didn't have to worry about Gaff, he was bucking for promotion...he wouldn't mind seeing me fail". At the very least we should have the choice about which version we watch on dvd but NOOOOOO......they'll come out with that option later so they can milk us for more cash......bastards! |
Indeed as if it were hidden. Another thing that I in retro-spect find fascinating was the short conversation that Roy had with Tyrell about re-sequencing or DNA and how the results of recent cloning experiments have born that out. For example, if you clone a dog using the DNA from a six year old dog the clone matures to adult-hood at a normal rate but then it ages at an excellerated rate and eventually dies long before what is considered to be the normal life span of a dog. |
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(thick nasal German accent): "Vatch her as she takes the pleasures...from the serpant that once...tempted man..." "Eyes..I just do eyes" "Gosh! You sure do have a lot of nice toys!" "The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long...and you have burned so very bright, Roy" "Yeah, he breathes just fine, as long as you don't un-plug him" "A wonderful life awaits you in the Off-World colonies! You're chance to begin again in a land of luxury and opportunity!" "Time to die" # Dekker sits at the piano and dreams of a Unicorn # Gaff leaves an origami unicorn at the doorstep Yeah, Dekk's a skin job. Best...movie...evar! |
That's not true, is it? |
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The Deckard being a replicant thing makes no sense unless the entire police department knew about him and he was reprogrammed. So Gaff is a replicant… and Deckard is a replicant… and Gaff knows Deckard is a replicant… but Deckard doesn't know that he and Gaff are both Replicants. Uh huh. Sounds like the replicant thing was an afterthought, kinda like all of the crap George Lucas has loaded the original Star Wars trilogy down with. |
And why was it all the other replicants could beat his ass? Ridley Scott can be all cutesy if he wants, but replicants were so superior it would be obvious if deckard was one. Can't have it both ways. Weak human pussy, but we will throw in a unicorn and make him a replicant. |
+1 I've wondered why he had no tolerance for pain and had no super human strength unlike all of the other replicants. So he was a weaker replicant employed by humans and programmed to kill much stronger ones because humans don't trust replicants? Yeah right. It just doesn't make sense. |
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If Deckard was a replicant then he was obviously an earlier model than the then-new and inherently quirky Nexus 6. Perhaps the older Nexus were more stable, if physically weaker, and worked alongside humans as a matter of course, self-aware or not. Doesn't really matter to me because I enjoy the movie on its own terms without having to dissect it. I also like the theatrical release's voice-overs, although not more than the Director's Cut. Having them both (a la Terry Gilliam's superb "Brazil" DVD set) would be ideal. |
But the thing is, deckard wasn't new. He'd been around (or his human model had been around, kidnapped, killed in secret and deckard his replacement.) The big advance of the Nexus 6 was their intellect (as I remember). It just doesn't add up. |
Ah but remember, Rachel was not a Nexus 6, she was one of Tyrells 'experiments'. As I see it, the subplot is that while publically the Tyrell Corporation was developing conventional replicants, Tyrell himself was playing at God and trying to create 'real' humans. ANdy |
yes, definitely a Faustian element to it |
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Further to Deckard being a replicant... Roy Batty knew his name, but was never told it.... He immidiatley bonded with Rachel, if he was a human that would not happen.... Look at the beatings he took from the replicants, no human could have taken those beatings.... Gaff's comment... 'You've done a man's job Sir' When Deckard tells Rachel he would not go after her his eyes glow orange, just like the Owl... Deckard has a 'past' but no 'present'., memories and photos but no 'people'.... just like the replicants... My take, Deckard was created to hunt down runaway eplicants and was one of the same batch of Nexus 6's as Roy Batty. ANdy |
Certainly the hints are there. But if you are going to make a replicant to hunt other replicants wouldn't you make him pretty kick ass? I think Ridley Scott was being cutesy without thinking it through. |
Well if you made him 'The Terminator' the storyline would fall flat in pretty short order! he'd just kill them all in quick sucession and not get wrapped up in the morality and ethical issues.... Anyway, Deckard was pretty 'kick ass', he took one hell of a hammering from Roy Batty who was the ultimate 'Combat Model'. ANdy |
Yes it is. And just so you guys know. The book, Do Androids Dream of Electric sheep was written by Phillip K. Dick and Deckard is not a replicant. |
Blade Runner was 'inspired' by the book but was not a film version of it..... ANdy |
Sold that by WHOM? I came to that conclusion on my own, after seeing both versions. Nobody sold me skippy. BTW - what age do you think I am showing? |
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Deckard is a replicant - with just enough strength and stamina to be good at hunting and killing replicants, but not enough to make humans suspect him. He wasn't an older model, he was a newer, better model. Commissioned by .gov probably, or Tyrell Corp, to aid in fighting the replicant issue. He was kept a secret, even from himself, for security reasons - NO replicants allowed on earth AFAS making Deckard stronger, faster, better - WHY? He ALWAYS got the job done. Sometimes, enough is enough. You don't panic the sheeple with a MORE DANGEROUS KILLER replicant........ |
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep is the Novel from which the screenplay was derrived. One of Phillip K. Dicks short stories, "We Can Remember It For You Wholesale" was the inspiration for Total Recall. Another of his short stories was the inspiration for the movie Mintority Report. |
Best explanation yet.... add to that the possibility that Decker's memories of his "past service" were not all real, and he could have very well been a tool created by Tyrell and the gov to fight the possibly returning androids. No Expert |
Slow down Conan. Read the book. Blade Runner was not a biography of Rick Deckard. Deckard is not a "skin job". Captain Bryant to Deckard "Stop right there pal. You're not cop, you're little people." Roy to Deckard, "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.........." |
