Cabin build thread (Page 4 of 5)
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Originally Posted By LeadBreakfast: Looking good! Spending a lot of time up there this summer? Yep, use it as my office working from home. 8-5 m-f. It’s been really nice. Pretty much peaks at 80* all summer with a nice breeze. Been low 50s a lot of mornings. Heck last week I went back to wearing pants and a jacket instead of shorts. In august. |
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Originally Posted By taliv: https://i.ibb.co/f9LK3z6/IMG-3248.jpg Freakin bear walked across my panel. Looks like he walked up the right side across the top and ran down the left as best I can tell Got a game cam pic of him on the porch lol. Hes pretty young which is good. I don’t think those panels are rated for full grown bears. Got starlink up there now too so should have some better cameras soon Will that kind of thing damage your panels? (I look at a lot of Schoolie builds, but that's the most I know about solar.) |
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Originally Posted By taliv: Reloading bench complete! And already a mess https://i.ibb.co/FKKSkmm/IMG-3315.jpg Thinking I may take the recipe whiteboard down and put some small shelves up on the wall above the bench with a light strip underneath also, haven't mounted the co-ax press yet Could use the white board as a door for your cabinet and have both. |
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Wine is sunlight held together by water~~Galileo Galilei
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Originally Posted By taliv: Reloading bench complete! And already a mess https://i.ibb.co/FKKSkmm/IMG-3315.jpg Thinking I may take the recipe whiteboard down and put some small shelves up on the wall above the bench with a light strip underneath also, haven't mounted the co-ax press yet ![]() I have an old Franfert arsenal stand with my small RCBS press and my Lyman lead bullet swagger on interchangeable heads. I don’t think they make it anymore. But it’s nice to have a portable press. Before that I used a craftsman portable work clamp. I don’t have any pictures of it. That was before digital photos. |
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well, storm got me pretty good. we had a wind warning about gusts up to 85 mph "and higher in the mountains" for 36 solid hours. I suspect we had >100mph winds up on top but I wasn't standing around holding the kestrel. we've had a LOT of high winds up there past 3 months but this was crazy. 3 of 6 solar panels trashed. outdoor sink knocked over and 10' away from where it's supposed to be. gutter downspout ripped off. diesel heater duct ripped off. pile of lumber and a vibratory tumbler full of media that was on the deck distributed around the yard. ham antenna down. weboost mast sideways. insulation ripped off water cistern. lot of weird stuff makes me think the wind was coming from all directions. the sink landed on the other side of the chimney so it had to move in a J-shape. one of the solar panels was jammed up against the opposite side of a tree from it's mount, and almost folded in half. so, I'm going to be redoing a lot of stuff and trying to figure out how to fortify it against hurricane winds. i'm also upgrading my battery by almost 600%. |
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Well when I’m done I’ll have a max of 400a of charging from solar. And 5600ah of batteries. So my max charge rate is .07C (rated for 1C continuous charge) which is almost like a trickle charge and less than 1/10th of max. It’ll be great for battery longevity. And most days my consumption is maybe 400ah but let’s say 500ah to be conservative. That means I’m not even discharging 10%. But the cells are rated for 8000 cycles (at 8000 they should still hold 80% of the rated capacity, not that they’re just completely unusable.) So net I’m really not cycling them much. They should last a long friggin time. In theory one full cycle per day at 8000 cycles is 22 years. On top of that I’m not going to charge them to 100% or allow them to discharge to 0%. I’ll prob try to take 5-10% off either end. Which again will be good for longevity |
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of course that's my high level theoretical based on their specs. i don't have experience measuring the cells over long periods of time. who knows how long they will really last? i imagine that over time the chemistry may change slightly affecting internal resistance and causing cells to go out of balance and reduce available capacity of the battery. it wouldn't surprise me at all if say, 5 years from now or 10 years from now, i need to tear the whole thing apart and top balance all the cells again to regain 20-30% of total capacity. but hopefully after "maintenance" like that, they're pretty close to new again |
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When I saw the first few thermal wires I said "cut the red wire"....that was some monster upgrade and some down right good photos. The last set of photos let me know that some of the other solar setups I was looking at on a new home had way too few batteries. Tho the place had a dedicated LP tank for the whole house generator. |
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I took all new thermal pics. They look much better but I didn’t bother posting unless someone is interested. And the thermal exaggerates it. The bright wires are still cool to touch even though they look like they’re about to melt in the thermal. When I build a garage and house I will put 3x to 4x as much battery in and they’ll be 48v. Don’t remember if I’ve mentioned it before but all the loads draw about 150ah overnight so from the time the sun goes down til it starts generating again in the morning my old 1000ah battery would be at 84-86%. But when I check in the morning now it’s 97-98% full. I calculate a 30 hr run on a freeze dryer will pull about half the capacity. I am not addicted to AC so I don’t plan on putting that in the house or garage but I will add washer and dryer which are manual in the cabin today. Add a few other appliances and the fiancés hair dryer and 3-4x battery should be pretty reasonable. |
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Thus far, too perfect. I check every morning as the sun is coming up and my battery is at 97%. This led me to worry that it might not be good for lifepo4 batteries to spend that much time near “full” even though I am only charging to 3.6 instead of 3.65. I’ve been cooking with an induction cook top in the day but solar keeps up with it and the incinerator toilet no problem. To remedy the situation I’m may need to buy that harvest right freeze dryer I’ve been lusting after. At 1200w, running overnight where solar isn’t charging by my calc it would pull 20% out of the battery which would make me feel better. I’ll throw a tank heater in my cistern in the winter to exercise the batteries a little too. Btw the cells I bought were $95/ea. last I looked they’re $85. $10x80 cells = $800 cheaper |
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Originally Posted By taliv: Finally made some progress on kitchen. Takes me a while because of the limited space, I’m taking months to decide how to optimize. Also, I’m lazy and procrastinate. Anyway, built to match my tool cabinet and reloading bench on the other side of the room, I’ve got a roughly 6’ counter top made of 2x6 and some shelving above it. Still need to add the copper heat shield on side for the wood stove. Haven’t built any shelves or cabinet below the counter yet as I’m still deciding whether to put shelves and a door on or just keep things in plastic totes and slide them in and out underneath. And I’ll hang the pots and cast iron stuff in front of the window when I decide what hardware to use. https://i.ibb.co/9H0MSKR/IMG-4056.jpg Sink is the deepest I could find to allow for washing clothes and such. Works great but don’t look at my plumbing fubar underneath. https://i.ibb.co/G0MmQJB/IMG-4058.jpg I cut a couple dowel rods and stuck them into the wood to make a plate rack and then drilled some holes to hold utensils. Also made a little towel drying rack (see orange shop towel lol) and a paper towel roll holder. https://i.ibb.co/zS1jYnM/IMG-4057.jpg Put a special shelf to fit an induction cook top. Very compact and energy efficient. Now that I have absurd amount of battery cooking with electric is a no brainer. Sustainable and clean. It has been interesting aligning my cookware, to work with both the induction cook top and the woodstove. Also got a couple jars of black Latakia and Mac barren golden extra and English luxury. Gradually adding more food storage which will eventually replace the rifle up top, once I get some glass on it. https://i.ibb.co/N2z24xn/IMG-4060.jpg Before it’s finished I’ll micro recess some more strip lights around it to light the shelves and workspace and mount a switch where the dc wires stick out behind the sink. Once I finish the space underneath, my last big project will be the copper surround for the shower. Been pondering that for 2 years and still haven’t made a decision. Solid use of space |
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Originally Posted By taliv: So 5 days ago I decided to start a capacity test. Just went out and turned off solar recharging at 2pm. Everything was showing 100% full. I had calculated based on my normal usage, roughly 9% of battery life per day, meaning I could get 10-11 days out of the batteries. Results are pretty close! Start of Day 2 I was at 91% Day 3 at 83% After 5 days I’m at 61%. But that includes a weekend where my usage was a wee bit light. First pic shows 5d since last full charge and 2200 ah consumed out of ~ 5400ah. (These are marketed as 280ah cells but the mfg claims they test between 300-310ah so I call them 300ah cells, but limit the max charge to 3.6v instead of 3.65 and limit the bottom to 2.8v instead of 2.5v. That basically means the bms is going to shut off somewhere between 10-20% (assuming my calcs are correct) and to get that last 10-20% I’d have to change the voltage cut off in the bms to mfg recommended value instead of my “get more life out of the batteries” value. The app is calc 9 more days of run time but that’s based on current draw which is a little lower than average when I snapped the screenshot. My estimate is 5 more days would drop me to 20% and then I might get one more day or not. So somewhere between 10-11 days total. https://i.ibb.co/L0n40SC/IMG-4209.png https://i.ibb.co/MG2fgHy/IMG-4210.png This pic shows a few daily cycles on the left with roughly 4-5 hrs per day of sunlight charging the batteries and 20 hrs/day I get of running off battery. Followed by me turning off solar for 5 days and the battery draining to 60%. https://i.ibb.co/VQD9Dqs/IMG-4195.png You've got so much juice. Impressive |
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That stove should be more than plenty for you! I have a 5036, and use radiant heat to heat my 2000 sq ft house and 200 sq ft sauna, a homemade water to air exchanger smaller than the one you linked to heat my 768 sg ft garage with full living quarters upstairs, and all domestic hot water. In northern MN. I'm interested to see how your on demand water heater works. Hopefully it transfers heat quickly enough to keep water decently warm indefinitely |
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Originally Posted By bansil: Lol, now I understand. Do you have connections quick or not to use the heat other places like radiators I am using shark bite connectors so I can undo and reconfigure them if it’s not working. I’ll put some three way connectors with valves in so I can take a loop in and out of service I think. Maybe. But there’s no shut off on the water to air radiator. There’s a thermostat on the fan so you can control how much air blows through it but you can’t stop it from radiating |
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Originally Posted By loon_138: That stove should be more than plenty for you! I have a 5036, and use radiant heat to heat my 2000 sq ft house and 200 sq ft sauna, a homemade water to air exchanger smaller than the one you linked to heat my 768 sg ft garage with full living quarters upstairs, and all domestic hot water. In northern MN. I'm interested to see how your on demand water heater works. Hopefully it transfers heat quickly enough to keep water decently warm indefinitely How do you like your 5036? How much wood do you use? Do you use glycol? Yeah I’m hoping it works. I’m optimistic. |
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Originally Posted By taliv: How do you like your 5036? How much wood do you use? Do you use glycol? Yeah I’m hoping it works. I’m optimistic. I've used it here for a dozen years, it works well for us, though it's a 2008 model, so I would like to upgrade soon. This winter has been mild, probably end up only burning 10 or so cords of soft wood (spruce). Would be less of oak. Most winters are 12-14. No glycol, just keep it hot. But we love here, so it's easier than a cabin |
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I thought the outdoor boilers were historically inefficient? Or is that no longer the case? Did you choose an outdoor boiler more for space reasons, or do they have other advantages? Are there any other models of wood or pellet stove that can also be tied into a radiant system? Have you seen the radiant systems where they use their house main water tank as a giant thermal battery? Is there any chance you could do that with your water tank? |
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Originally Posted By GTLandser: I thought the outdoor boilers were historically inefficient? Or is that no longer the case? Did you choose an outdoor boiler more for space reasons, or do they have other advantages? Are there any other models of wood or pellet stove that can also be tied into a radiant system? Have you seen the radiant systems where they use their house main water tank as a giant thermal battery? Is there any chance you could do that with your water tank? They might be inefficient but not that bad. The new ones are prob better and I’m sure it varies by brand. The main reasons are lack of internal space and 80 acres of woods. Half this county is national forest. I’d say 90% is wooded. There’s no shortage of wood here. Being sustainable is important to me. I’d like to minimize the propane and diesel I rely on. It sure is convenient though. The other reason is one tool that will heat three spaces and the water and I can run a circuit to a greenhouse when I build one. I don’t actually have radiant floors in the cabin. It’s just a shed. So I haven’t looked into those options much |
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Another update. You guys were right about this being inefficient. it's not the end of the world but I was really hoping to get more time out of the boiler, but it does look like 12 hours is about it before i have to refill the wood. kind of a bummer. working on insulation and such as i finish the build that will hopefully make it more efficient. in fairness, i do have a pretty high heat load. i am kind of impressed with the insulation on the boiler itself. the water temp is 185* and there is still snow on the roof of the boiler. i'm still learning to build and manage fires in it. probably a bit of a learning curve. maybe running it cooler like 175 max would help as well the 70k btu water to air exchanger in the pic above with the upside down dragon sticker does indeed put out some heat. however, i have a severe temp gradient in the cabin now. the floor is 55* and the loft with the bed is 85*. wish i could have mounted it lower. gotta figure out how to direct the heat lower |








































