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Posted: 4/13/2007 8:40:29 AM EDT
So, here it is before:

Link Posted: 4/13/2007 8:42:28 AM EDT
And as the KIT came from AR7.com:



p.s. their MAGS have no ejector as the FACTORY ones do, so won't eject.
Link Posted: 4/13/2007 8:45:20 AM EDT
(Yes I am a post whore, trying to catch up to Cape & West Side)

So as everyone knows, 16" is just plain WRONG.

So with a can, even 16" is too long, but how short to go . . . .
The question on the century



Pat
Link Posted: 4/13/2007 9:28:21 AM EDT
well im voting for 6". since it looked like one of your options.
I also think it would be cool to cut and thread right in front of the scope mount.
Link Posted: 4/13/2007 9:28:52 AM EDT
Do the 10" set up.
Link Posted: 4/13/2007 10:35:04 AM EDT
I have one of those floating around somewhere.
Maybe have to dig it up and play with it.
CH
Link Posted: 4/13/2007 10:43:30 AM EDT
What about that poor Enfield that's languishing in your shop?

I want to learn from your mistakes experience!
Link Posted: 4/13/2007 11:01:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/13/2007 11:03:05 AM EDT by Noxspector]
I'm thinking the shortest one there, the vertical photo. Basically butt the can up to the upper rail. Then make/modify an AK forward stock (with Picatiny rails) that covers the barrel and some/most of the can if possible. That would look pretty sweet. Just doesn't look right without a forward stock.

ETA: the shorter length will keep most cheap/bulk ammo subsonic as well.
Link Posted: 4/13/2007 11:10:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By zougou:
What about that poor Enfield that's languishing in your shop?

I want to learn from your mistakes experience!


Just got the barrel back last night for that, threaded 5/8"x24 for my SRT can,
and called Doug this morning, but he is probably at Knob Creek . . . .

Will post pictures once I get the barrel on the receiver, maybe this afternoon.
Link Posted: 4/13/2007 11:13:56 AM EDT
So I am leaning toward the 9" version, what would be 14" with a 6" can . . .

Setting up the Pac Timer/Chrono to do the 16" barrel with 3-4 diff ammos before cutting . . . . .
Link Posted: 4/13/2007 11:17:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PCArms:
So I am leaning toward the 9" version, what would be 14" with a 6" can . . .

Setting up the Pac Timer/Chrono to do the 16" barrel with 3-4 diff ammos before cutting . . . . .


Rumor has it that a PPS50 sear will drop into an Ar7.
Link Posted: 4/13/2007 11:25:02 AM EDT


With a 10 round mag?????

Link Posted: 4/13/2007 11:27:44 AM EDT
4.5"

That way most everything is subsonic.

And that it tucks into the front of a man's pants easier.
Link Posted: 4/13/2007 11:33:20 AM EDT
Not going to touch that one . . . .
Link Posted: 4/13/2007 11:35:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PCArms:


With a 10 round mag?????



You mean you dont have a pile of 25 rounders for that thing?
Link Posted: 4/13/2007 12:48:01 PM EDT
That is one butt-ugly gun!

I had one, years ago. I sold it to my brother-in-law, and my nephew has it now.
It has a wonderful *rolling eyes* triggerpull!

One thing though, and I'm sure that you are aware of this....hypersonic rounds only tend to go hypersonic out of about 6" barrels.....I think that I would consider a 4 or 5 inch barrel....that way you can save on the price of sub-sonics!



Link Posted: 4/13/2007 1:11:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NoAim:
4.5"

That way most everything is subsonic.

And that it tucks into the front of a man's pants easier.


4.5" works well for ya does it?
Link Posted: 4/13/2007 1:47:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PCArms:

Originally Posted By zougou:
What about that poor Enfield that's languishing in your shop?

I want to learn from your mistakes experience!


Just got the barrel back last night for that, threaded 5/8"x24 for my SRT can,
and called Doug this morning, but he is probably at Knob Creek . . . .

Will post pictures once I get the barrel on the receiver, maybe this afternoon.


Cool. I'm still filling stuff to make everything fit on mine.

Sorry to hijack your thread -- why not go 4" on your AR7. That sounds good to me.
Link Posted: 4/13/2007 1:59:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By zougou:

Originally Posted By PCArms:

Originally Posted By zougou:
What about that poor Enfield that's languishing in your shop?

I want to learn from your mistakes experience!


Just got the barrel back last night for that, threaded 5/8"x24 for my SRT can,
and called Doug this morning, but he is probably at Knob Creek . . . .

Will post pictures once I get the barrel on the receiver, maybe this afternoon.


Cool. I'm still filling stuff to make everything fit on mine.

Sorry to hijack your thread -- why not go 4" on your AR7. That sounds good to me.


Cuzz NO-HAIR already has the ultimate CloseCombatUrbanAssualtRifle:

Link Posted: 4/13/2007 3:12:09 PM EDT
So, who is this no hair and what does he want?
Link Posted: 4/13/2007 3:15:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/13/2007 3:17:44 PM EDT by Noxspector]

Originally Posted By zougou:
So, who is this no hair and what does he want?




ETA: From his younger years when he still had some hair.
Link Posted: 4/13/2007 3:19:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By zougou:
So, who is this no hair and what does he want?

I is this NoHair and I want it in .308 and beltfed

Note: if you cut down the barrel you HAVE TO cut down the stock also- so it fits right.
NoHair
Link Posted: 4/13/2007 3:20:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/13/2007 3:22:58 PM EDT by Code3AK]
That looks pretty cool, where does the flare launcher go?

ETA: Damnit! Post 762! Now you have to make one in .308
Link Posted: 4/13/2007 3:35:51 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/13/2007 4:01:21 PM EDT
Wow!

Duly noted.
Link Posted: 4/13/2007 4:20:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By zougou:
So, who is this no hair and what does he want?


Ha, someone on the site that DOESN'T know who Ho-Hair is????

OR WHY?????
Link Posted: 4/13/2007 5:25:02 PM EDT
Yep, just cut it to 9" and will chrono it now . . . .
Link Posted: 4/13/2007 6:32:18 PM EDT
I'd never thought I'd be telling Pat that the barrel is too long.

Link Posted: 4/13/2007 6:46:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/13/2007 6:51:03 PM EDT by NoAim]

Originally Posted By Snowjackal:
Quick and dirty P/S

home.comcast.net/~snowjackal/10inch.jpg
home.comcast.net/~snowjackal/12inch.jpg
home.comcast.net/~snowjackal/14inch.jpg
home.comcast.net/~snowjackal/16inch.jpg

I like the 14inch.


I like #1 It just fits.

Besides, to help eliminate jamming, you WANT to use full power ammo. To keep full power ammo subsonic you really need 5" or under.
Link Posted: 4/13/2007 6:56:31 PM EDT
I like!
Link Posted: 4/13/2007 7:45:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By nohair:

Originally Posted By zougou:
So, who is this no hair and what does he want?

I is this NoHair and I want it in .308 and beltfed
usera.imagecave.com/Nohair2/zombiekiller.jpg
Note: if you cut down the barrel you HAVE TO cut down the stock also- so it fits right.
NoHair


hahahahaha
Now show them the MOVIE right arter that shot was taken
when the EoTech falls off......
Link Posted: 4/13/2007 7:50:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PCArms:
Yep, just cut it to 9" and will chrono it now . . . .


You can always go shorter
Link Posted: 4/13/2007 7:52:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NoAim:

Originally Posted By Snowjackal:
Quick and dirty P/S

home.comcast.net/~snowjackal/10inch.jpg
home.comcast.net/~snowjackal/12inch.jpg
home.comcast.net/~snowjackal/14inch.jpg
home.comcast.net/~snowjackal/16inch.jpg

I like the 14inch.


I like #1 It just fits.

Besides, to help eliminate jamming, you WANT to use full power ammo. To keep full power ammo subsonic you really need 5" or under.


is that exact?

If so gimme more details!!!! Im killin myself over this!
Link Posted: 4/13/2007 10:59:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/13/2007 11:00:00 PM EDT by NoAim]

Originally Posted By BurntPocketHole:

Originally Posted By NoAim:
Besides, to help eliminate jamming, you WANT to use full power ammo. To keep full power ammo subsonic you really need 5" or under.


is that exact?

If so gimme more details!!!! Im killin myself over this!


Pretty close. Check out my Buckmark vs. Nox's Mark II:

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=16&t=316369&page=1


Complete Spreadsheet including individual bullet velocities:
Download Ammo_Testing_Data_2_21_07.xls

This is a copy of the front sheet. Velocities for individual rounds is not shown.

PDF of the front sheet:
Download Ammo_Testing_Data_2_21_07.pdf
Link Posted: 4/14/2007 7:33:11 AM EDT
So my PAC-timer/Chrono must have got wet last night so I couldn't get the 9" results.
But do have the 16" results with 4 different ammos.
Looks like it is clear out right now, will try to get the 9" reading now, but will probably cut it back to 7". I also have a 10-22 barrel at I think 5"-6" I can try .....

P.S. The 9" 45acp Enfield looks soooo coool.!
Link Posted: 4/14/2007 12:22:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PCArms:
P.S. The 9" 45acp Enfield looks soooo coool.!


Oh sure, rub it in. But have you gotten it to work yet?! LOL
Link Posted: 4/14/2007 3:04:18 PM EDT
Actually, YES
Link Posted: 4/14/2007 3:33:58 PM EDT
I like the looks at 12" w/can. Either way, make that stock not wobble.
Link Posted: 4/14/2007 8:06:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/14/2007 8:08:46 PM EDT by Gunkata]
edit: my questions were answered..
Link Posted: 4/14/2007 9:07:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JAFO:
I like the looks at 12" w/can. Either way, make that stock not wobble.


Agreed, but I have to get my Chrono working so I can get data at 9"!



P.S.


Pat
Link Posted: 4/15/2007 8:33:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Noxspector:
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-120563014662490589






NoHair in his true form.

Eotech falls off the gun, looks down to see what fell, keeps on shooting. (You know it's against 'the code' to stop shooting for any reason when there are still bullets in the belt!)
Link Posted: 4/15/2007 8:49:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PCArms:

P.S.
www.orl-llc.com/enfield45-without-with-can.jpg

Pat




So it looks like you had to grind away material for the magazine catch to work. I started doing that on mine.

All my parts are with Mike at Tornado Technologies. He said he got to play with an honest-to-goodness-Delisle and that it had a complex ejector. He knows a guy who knows a guy who has copies of original Delisle blueprints.

So, how does it extract?

Did you have to grind on your magazine adapter?

I suddenly feel like driving out to Vernonia!
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 9:30:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PCArms:
So my PAC-timer/Chrono must have got wet last night so I couldn't get the 9" results.
But do have the 16" results with 4 different ammos.
Looks like it is clear out right now, will try to get the 9" reading now, but will probably cut it back to 7". I also have a 10-22 barrel at I think 5"-6" I can try .....

P.S. The 9" 45acp Enfield looks soooo coool.!


So did you ever get the chrono dried out and working? When you do could you post the results here or on your site? Also, do you have anything for testing dBs? I know I could probably search the web but if you were interested in doing some hometown local testing I'd be willing to find some various ammo to donate to the cause. I'm sure others would be willing to pitch in also.
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