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Posted: 7/5/2010 7:26:24 AM EDT
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I'm all for them. They've saved my ass several times when some whiney pukes claims I did something I didnt do.
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Posted: 7/5/2010 7:29:06 AM EDT
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More dashcams, and less video being lost/not released please.
Where's that A&E footage from Detroit? |
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Posted: 7/5/2010 7:31:09 AM EDT
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Newegg had something which may interest you:
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Posted: 7/5/2010 7:32:06 AM EDT
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Dashcam legality should be treated exactly as an average citizen filming a cop during work.
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Posted: 7/5/2010 7:34:30 AM EDT
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Newegg had something which may interest you: http://www.neweggmall.com/Product/2013843710010/productdetail.html?cm_mmc=AFC-NEMaffiliate-_-dodtracker-_-none-_-none another Many states would consider that felony wire tapping. That's the problem with dashcams, they're ok for the popo to use (unless they need to be lost) but not us serfs. |
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Posted: 7/5/2010 7:37:02 AM EDT
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Dashcam legality should be treated exactly as an average citizen filming a cop during work. Yes. That said, it has been very useful for the police, overall. |
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Posted: 7/5/2010 7:50:18 AM EDT
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I like the idea. Theoretically, it protects both parties.
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Posted: 7/5/2010 7:51:13 AM EDT
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I like the idea. Theoretically, it protects both parties. i highly concur! |
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Posted: 7/5/2010 10:25:11 AM EDT
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I'm all for them. They've saved my ass several times when some whiney pukes claims I did something I didnt do. exactly! works better for everyone involved! 
none of this he said she said bullshit! its all on tape! |
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Posted: 7/5/2010 10:29:58 AM EDT
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Dash cams protect the truth, and only the truth should be admitted in a court of law. Therefor dash cams help bring truth to the courts.
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Posted: 7/5/2010 10:32:15 AM EDT
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I think they are a good idea...
The save tax dollars by eliminating bullshit claims quickly Provides evidence in DUIs, or if a cop is shot during a stop etc. Helps eliminate some of the bad cops. ( I have no problem with cops, but every organization has some bad eggs) |
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Posted: 7/5/2010 10:34:32 AM EDT
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I like accountability....
I dislike video taping... This is the first time in a long time I went with pie .
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Posted: 7/5/2010 10:49:13 AM EDT
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expensive as hell for the popo versions- 5=8k each.
PITA too.... |
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Posted: 7/5/2010 10:55:54 AM EDT
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I love mine.
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Posted: 7/5/2010 10:56:56 AM EDT
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More information is a good thing. Sunshine is the best disinfectant and dash cams and big brother will go a long way toward preventing police abuse of power.
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Posted: 7/5/2010 10:58:28 AM EDT
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I love the dash cam concept. I think they should be made more widely available. If I were in LE and could supply my own I'd put an HD one in to have even more data on my side. I have many friends in LE who'd probably be unemployed or in another field if it weren't for those little buggers and the mic's in their uniforms. It has blown many a liar out of the water in the courtroom and it has gotten bad apples off the street on both sides of the law in many instances.
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Posted: 7/5/2010 10:59:50 AM EDT
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I would really like the kind, iirc AR15fan has as you pull up to the station all the video is downloaded via wifi. No more dealing a memory card that can be full or having to take time to burn the video to dvd's.
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Posted: 7/5/2010 10:59:50 AM EDT
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Without them, where would we get the great taser videos?? Hmmmmmmmmm??
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Posted: 7/5/2010 11:03:33 AM EDT
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They should be mandatory. An officer turning it off during a stop should be punished somehow... reprimand in their file at least. It should also be made clear that not only can citizens take pictures and video of the police but that doing so is encouraged. Any officer found intimidating anyone to not take pictures or video of them should be fired.
Now you can of course limit how close people can get to crime scenes... but you can't tell them to stop filming from the place they can legally be. Filming someone in a public place is not a violation of privacy and does not violate wiretapping laws. Naturally bathrooms, changing rooms, and the like are not considered public places. |
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Posted: 7/5/2010 11:03:50 AM EDT
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Quoted: I'm all for them. They've saved my ass several times when some whiney pukes claims I did something I didnt do. Exactly. Plus they make for some damn fine TV.  |
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Posted: 7/5/2010 11:04:08 AM EDT
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Why not put them in every new car sold?Can have vehicle basics (speed,braking,etc) in a pop up as well.
Would make accidents a lot easier to figure out,and you wouldn't be able to argue you weren't speeding/weaving/whatever,because the footage would be there.Just run a continual loop. Would cover everybodys 6. |
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Posted: 7/5/2010 11:13:10 AM EDT
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They should be mandatory. An officer turning it off during a stop should be punished somehow... reprimand in their file at least. It should also be made clear that not only can citizens take pictures and video of the police but that doing so is encouraged. Any officer found intimidating anyone to not take pictures or video of them should be fired. Now you can of course limit how close people can get to crime scenes... but you can't tell them to stop filming from the place they can legally be. Filming someone in a public place is not a violation of privacy and does not violate wiretapping laws. Naturally bathrooms, changing rooms, and the like are not considered public places. Systems cost between 5 to 10k. This is how I do it. Beginning of shift I test the system by activating it, start the recording, state my name, date, time and beat. After a traffic stop, I do not turn it off till I go 10-8, dispatch responds, either I pull off or the stopped vehicle leaves then I hit the stop button. If the video or my personal audio tape runs out before the stop is completed I notify dispatch to log it. |
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Posted: 7/5/2010 11:15:38 AM EDT
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They should be mandatory. An officer turning it off during a stop should be punished somehow... reprimand in their file at least. It should also be made clear that not only can citizens take pictures and video of the police but that doing so is encouraged. Any officer found intimidating anyone to not take pictures or video of them should be fired. Now you can of course limit how close people can get to crime scenes... but you can't tell them to stop filming from the place they can legally be. Filming someone in a public place is not a violation of privacy and does not violate wiretapping laws. Naturally bathrooms, changing rooms, and the like are not considered public places. Systems cost between 5 to 10k. This is how I do it. Beginning of shift I test the system by activating it, start the recording, state my name, date, time and beat. After a traffic stop, I do not turn it off till I go 10-8, dispatch responds, either I pull off or the stopped vehicle leaves then I hit the stop button. If the video or my personal audio tape runs out before the stop is completed I notify dispatch to log it. Do you notify you are audio taping on a stop? |
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Posted: 7/5/2010 11:15:41 AM EDT
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Quoted: Without them, where would we get the great taser videos?? Hmmmmmmmmm?? bingo, TBK1. Many a fun evening have I spent on youtube watching instant karma taser vids.  |
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Posted: 7/5/2010 11:18:14 AM EDT
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Keeps LEO's straight.
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Posted: 7/5/2010 11:22:24 AM EDT
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They should be mandatory. An officer turning it off during a stop should be punished somehow... reprimand in their file at least. It should also be made clear that not only can citizens take pictures and video of the police but that doing so is encouraged. Any officer found intimidating anyone to not take pictures or video of them should be fired. Now you can of course limit how close people can get to crime scenes... but you can't tell them to stop filming from the place they can legally be. Filming someone in a public place is not a violation of privacy and does not violate wiretapping laws. Naturally bathrooms, changing rooms, and the like are not considered public places. Systems cost between 5 to 10k. This is how I do it. Beginning of shift I test the system by activating it, start the recording, state my name, date, time and beat. After a traffic stop, I do not turn it off till I go 10-8, dispatch responds, either I pull off or the stopped vehicle leaves then I hit the stop button. If the video or my personal audio tape runs out before the stop is completed I notify dispatch to log it. Do you notify you are audio taping on a stop? Not normally. Not required in this state. Only one party to the conversation has to know it is being recorded. If someone starts acting hostile I will inform the conversation is being video and audio recorded as it usually calms the situation down. |
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Posted: 7/5/2010 11:23:52 AM EDT
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Keeps LEO's straight. Reveals the truth about lying scumbags too. What do you suppose the ratio of crooked cops to lying scumbags on the street is? 
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Posted: 7/5/2010 11:25:53 AM EDT
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Keeps LEO's straight. Reveals the truth about lying scumbags too. What do you suppose the ratio of crooked cops to lying scumbags on the street is? I know when the person is informed when they come into complain that the situation was video/audio recorded, they usually get up and leave. |
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Posted: 7/5/2010 11:27:51 AM EDT
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Keeps LEO's straight. your right!!! nobody ever falsely accuses leo of brutality! 
it works both ways clown
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Posted: 7/5/2010 11:30:08 AM EDT
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Keeps LEO's straight. Reveals the truth about lying scumbags too. What do you suppose the ratio of crooked cops to lying scumbags on the street is? I know when the person is informed when they come into complain that the situation was video/audio recorded, they usually get up and leave. I bet it's hard to get up and leave in a dignified manner, no? 
And here they thought it was "win the lawsuit lottery day" for them. 
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Posted: 7/5/2010 11:33:35 AM EDT
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Keeps LEO's straight. Reveals the truth about lying scumbags too. What do you suppose the ratio of crooked cops to lying scumbags on the street is? I know when the person is informed when they come into complain that the situation was video/audio recorded, they usually get up and leave. I bet it's hard to get up and leave in a dignified manner, no?
And here they thought it was "win the lawsuit lottery day" for them. We had one before I started the new job who came in to complain was informed about the video/audio, was told their story did not match the recordings, the person then went ahead with the complaint, signed the forms, arrested and convicted for filing a false report. |
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Posted: 7/5/2010 11:38:33 AM EDT
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Keeps LEO's straight. Reveals the truth about lying scumbags too. What do you suppose the ratio of crooked cops to lying scumbags on the street is? I know when the person is informed when they come into complain that the situation was video/audio recorded, they usually get up and leave. I bet it's hard to get up and leave in a dignified manner, no?
And here they thought it was "win the lawsuit lottery day" for them. We had one before I started the new job who came in to complain was informed about the video/audio, was told their story did not match the recordings, the person then went ahead with the complaint, signed the forms, arrested and convicted for filing a false report. It's a sad day in America when that kind of stupidity isn't terminal. Darwin sure has been shortchanged in modern society. 
And they end up breeding––but that's another thread. 
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Posted: 7/5/2010 11:42:47 AM EDT
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Keeps LEO's straight. Reveals the truth about lying scumbags too. What do you suppose the ratio of crooked cops to lying scumbags on the street is? I know when the person is informed when they come into complain that the situation was video/audio recorded, they usually get up and leave. I bet it's hard to get up and leave in a dignified manner, no?
And here they thought it was "win the lawsuit lottery day" for them. We had one before I started the new job who came in to complain was informed about the video/audio, was told their story did not match the recordings, the person then went ahead with the complaint, signed the forms, arrested and convicted for filing a false report. We have this same thing happen at least twice a year. I'd say alt least once a week I get either a walk-in or a meet complainant call to report some type of officer conduct issue, and when I tell the complainant that I'm enroute to my office to watch the video of the contact...........they ALWAYS say......"Nevermind". |
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Posted: 7/5/2010 12:10:21 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Keeps LEO's straight. your right!!! nobody ever falsely accuses leo of brutality! it works both ways clown I fully agree. It keeps cops honest knowing they are being recorded and protects them from false accusations. |
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Posted: 7/5/2010 12:13:56 PM EDT
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It protects both parties.
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Posted: 7/5/2010 12:17:56 PM EDT
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They should be mandatory. An officer turning it off during a stop should be punished somehow... reprimand in their file at least. It should also be made clear that not only can citizens take pictures and video of the police but that doing so is encouraged. Any officer found intimidating anyone to not take pictures or video of them should be fired. Now you can of course limit how close people can get to crime scenes... but you can't tell them to stop filming from the place they can legally be. Filming someone in a public place is not a violation of privacy and does not violate wiretapping laws. Naturally bathrooms, changing rooms, and the like are not considered public places. Systems cost between 5 to 10k. This is how I do it. Beginning of shift I test the system by activating it, start the recording, state my name, date, time and beat. After a traffic stop, I do not turn it off till I go 10-8, dispatch responds, either I pull off or the stopped vehicle leaves then I hit the stop button. If the video or my personal audio tape runs out before the stop is completed I notify dispatch to log it. 10k is cheap insurance. |
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Posted: 7/5/2010 12:27:20 PM EDT
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I remember reading somewhere that "excessive use of force" complaints went down something like 85% in whatever city had started using the video cams.
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Posted: 7/5/2010 12:32:13 PM EDT
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I like mine when the piece of shit works. Damn thing will turn on by itself half the time.
You don't want to hear me singing to the radio or yelling to myself when someone takes too long to pull over on a traffic stop. 
It usually sounds like this "Ah what the F$%& is this guy doing? Don't you see the F@#$ing flashing lights, asshole?" I really have to stop talking out loud in the cruiser. |
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Posted: 7/5/2010 12:41:54 PM EDT
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I like mine when the piece of shit works. Damn thing will turn on by itself half the time. You don't want to hear me singing to the radio or yelling to myself when someone takes too long to pull over on a traffic stop.
It usually sounds like this "Ah what the F$%& is this guy doing? Don't you see the F@#$ing flashing lights, asshole?" I really have to stop talking out loud in the cruiser.  
You sound like me. |
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Posted: 7/5/2010 1:05:06 PM EDT
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I remember reading somewhere that "excessive use of force" complaints went down something like 85% in whatever city had started using the video cams. And false accusations go down something on the order of 95% once the first few get prosecuted. I WISH we had the damn things, My wife bought me a little digital videp recorder that looks like (and is) a pen. Sits in my shirt pocket, and a push of the button on the top gives me 10 minutes of Video and audio protection. |
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Posted: 7/5/2010 1:22:14 PM EDT
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I like mine when the piece of shit works. Damn thing will turn on by itself half the time. You don't want to hear me singing to the radio or yelling to myself when someone takes too long to pull over on a traffic stop.
It usually sounds like this "Ah what the F$%& is this guy doing? Don't you see the F@#$ing flashing lights, asshole?" I really have to stop talking out loud in the cruiser. The talking outloud is not a problem. However if you start to answer yourself, I think vacation time or retirement are in order. Roy |
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Posted: 7/5/2010 1:38:10 PM EDT
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Dash cam saved me $165 and 2 pts when I was arguing with officer about what he saw. (claimed I ran a red light) When the judge asked to see the tape the officer said it wasn't very clear and wasn't sure he could find it. When he did show it to the judge, the judge threw the case out because the video showed nothing. couldn't even see my vehicle in the video when the light changed. That video was digital and crystal clear. No mistakes, no he said she said. Just the facts. I like it. I am in public anyway so it doesn't matter.
After sitting in the courtroom for 1/2 hour before my case (curious to see how things operated) I honestly don't know how you guys deal with some of these retards 
Thanks to the good ones. (the fucker that gave me the bullshit ticket....I hope you rot in hell) |
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Posted: 7/5/2010 1:44:28 PM EDT
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Positives:protect citizen's rights, corroborate officer testimoney, augent officer training, aid in identifing criminals
Negatives:might make officer second guess level of force applied. I think the positives win |
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Posted: 7/5/2010 2:01:59 PM EDT
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Positives:protect citizen's rights, corroborate officer testimoney, augent officer training, aid in identifing criminals Negatives:might make officer second guess level of force applied. I think the positives win Please explain this. If I understand you correctly you think it may make an officer hesitate to use the amount of force necessary to effect the arrest? Based upon my experience of approx 12 years of using a dash cam (18 as an LEO) I have never once even started to hesitate on the amount of force to apply or not apply based upon the fact I was on video/audio. In fact It re-assures me that I will not be questioned on why I used force. The only negative I can think of is the cost. |
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Posted: 7/5/2010 2:02:31 PM EDT
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Answering yourself isn't that bad. What's bad is stopping and saying to yourself, "What did you just say?"
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I like mine when the piece of shit works. Damn thing will turn on by itself half the time. You don't want to hear me singing to the radio or yelling to myself when someone takes too long to pull over on a traffic stop.
It usually sounds like this "Ah what the F$%& is this guy doing? Don't you see the F@#$ing flashing lights, asshole?" I really have to stop talking out loud in the cruiser. The talking outloud is not a problem. However if you start to answer yourself, I think vacation time or retirement are in order. Roy |
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Posted: 7/5/2010 2:02:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/5/2010 2:31:49 PM EDT
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Keeps LEO's straight. sometimes I get a car with a camera and sometimes I don't. I act the same either way. |
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Posted: 7/5/2010 2:33:44 PM EDT
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Keeps LEO's straight. Reveals the truth about lying scumbags too. What do you suppose the ratio of crooked cops to lying scumbags on the street is? I know when the person is informed when they come into complain that the situation was video/audio recorded, they usually get up and leave. I bet it's hard to get up and leave in a dignified manner, no?
And here they thought it was "win the lawsuit lottery day" for them. It actually seems like people believe the shit they shovel. |
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Posted: 7/5/2010 2:35:37 PM EDT
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Dash cam required. If dash cam "malfunctions" or "the tape is lost" all traffic cites on the "lost" tape are void. Might have to expand this depending on how bad the "lost/malf" problem becomes.
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Posted: 7/5/2010 2:36:32 PM EDT
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Keeps LEO's straight. your right!!! nobody ever falsely accuses leo of brutality!
it works both ways clown I fully agree. It keeps cops honest knowing they are being recorded and protects them from false accusations. 95% of what I do does not happen in front of the car anyway. If I was going to abuse my power, the side of the road for all to see isn't the best place. |
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