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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:04:45 AM EST
Link Posted: 1/16/2015 11:08:37 AM EST
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/worried-russia-lithuania-says-keep-calm-read-war-103856106.html

ILNIUS (Reuters) - Lithuania is publishing a manual to advise its citizens on how to survive a war on its soil as concerns grow that Russia's intervention in Ukraine heralds increased assertiveness in its tiny Baltic neighbors.
"Keep a sound mind, don't panic and don't lose clear thinking," the manual explains. "Gunshots just outside your window are not the end of the world."
The manual, which the Defence Ministry will send to libraries next week and also distribute at army events, says Lithuanians should resist foreign occupation with demonstrations and strikes, "or at least doing your job worse than usual".
In the event of invasion, the manual says Lithuanians should organize themselves through Twitter and Facebook and attempt cyber attacks against the enemy.
Lithuania spent much of the last century incorporated in Soviet Union, along with Latvia and Estonia, and upon independence in 1991 quickly sought to join the Western NATO alliance and the European Union.
It is increasingly worried about Russia, not least because of a military drill in the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad last month that featured 9,000 soldiers and more than 55 naval vessels.
"The examples of Georgia and Ukraine, which both lost a part of their territory, show us that we cannot rule out a similar kind of situation here, and that we should be ready," Defence Minister Juozas Olekas told Reuters.
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Originally Posted By SparticleBrane:
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/worried-russia-lithuania-says-keep-calm-read-war-103856106.html

ILNIUS (Reuters) - Lithuania is publishing a manual to advise its citizens on how to survive a war on its soil as concerns grow that Russia's intervention in Ukraine heralds increased assertiveness in its tiny Baltic neighbors.
"Keep a sound mind, don't panic and don't lose clear thinking," the manual explains. "Gunshots just outside your window are not the end of the world."
The manual, which the Defence Ministry will send to libraries next week and also distribute at army events, says Lithuanians should resist foreign occupation with demonstrations and strikes, "or at least doing your job worse than usual".
In the event of invasion, the manual says Lithuanians should organize themselves through Twitter and Facebook and attempt cyber attacks against the enemy.
Lithuania spent much of the last century incorporated in Soviet Union, along with Latvia and Estonia, and upon independence in 1991 quickly sought to join the Western NATO alliance and the European Union.
It is increasingly worried about Russia, not least because of a military drill in the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad last month that featured 9,000 soldiers and more than 55 naval vessels.
"The examples of Georgia and Ukraine, which both lost a part of their territory, show us that we cannot rule out a similar kind of situation here, and that we should be ready," Defence Minister Juozas Olekas told Reuters.

I rost.
Its not a joke, these people fought a shooting war against the soviets until 1956. They know firsthand what the soviets/russians are capable of. 200,000 in a country of 3 million were deported to Siberia
Link Posted: 1/16/2015 11:18:42 AM EST
Link Posted: 1/16/2015 11:25:55 AM EST
How about allowing easy access to private weapons. Make it costly to invade.
Link Posted: 1/16/2015 11:28:53 AM EST
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Originally Posted By sherrick13:
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Because it's Europe.
The serfs are pretty much not allowed such freedoms.
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What does that accomplish, especially if the Russian pull the usual tactic of sponsoring native gangs. Hell, if anything, having Lithuanian citizens start killing Russian-Lithuanian citizens would give Russia the absolute perfect excuse they need to come in openly, to protect their citizens from a government clearly out of control and openly trying to commit genocide.
Link Posted: 1/16/2015 11:31:40 AM EST
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Because it's Europe.
The serfs are pretty much not allowed such freedoms.
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Originally Posted By sherrick13:
How about allowing easy access to private weapons. Make it costly to invade.



Because it's Europe.
The serfs are pretty much not allowed such freedoms.
Actually Lithuania is one of the few European countries to have CCW.

and they know a lot about using guns to fight an oppressive government



they waged a partisan war against the soviets, armed men and women, forming well organized units, fighting the communists.
Link Posted: 1/16/2015 11:41:10 AM EST
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in 1991, they took whatever arms they had, and barricaded the parliment, the siemas, and men took whatever guns they had, mostly old hunting shotguns and rifles, and defended it as the politicians inside declared independencefrom the USSR, as the soviets sent in VDV and other special forces to stop them.





These guys were inside the parliament in 1991, ready to fight soviet paratroopers. By even taking up arms against the soviet union, these men were signing their death sentences if they were captured. That is courage. Willingly doing the seemingly impossible, not because its an easy win, but because you know its right.

As a nation they werent armed with much, but they took what they had and were willing to fight to the death with it. So often we talk about taking up and fighting against an oppressive government, these people had far far less than we did, but they stood up, twice in not even 50 years. They guard their freedom much closer than we do, they know what its like to not have it, and theirs is in much greater danger on a daily basis.

These are the guys who took on the red army with maybe 30K men, and held on for over a decade. They have some serious balls.

Read the book Forest Brothers by Jouzas Luksas for a history of the armed anti soviet fight after ww2, check out the documentary the other dream team to get a hint of what it was like for the 1991 independence drive. It will make you feel blessed to be an American. There is a documentary called the invisible front about armed anti soviet movement as well
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Originally Posted By Snips:


What does that accomplish, especially if the Russian pull the usual tactic of sponsoring native gangs. Hell, if anything, having Lithuanian citizens start killing Russian-Lithuanian citizens would give Russia the absolute perfect excuse they need to come in openly, to protect their citizens from a government clearly out of control and openly trying to commit genocide.
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Originally Posted By sherrick13:
How about allowing easy access to private weapons. Make it costly to invade.


What does that accomplish, especially if the Russian pull the usual tactic of sponsoring native gangs. Hell, if anything, having Lithuanian citizens start killing Russian-Lithuanian citizens would give Russia the absolute perfect excuse they need to come in openly, to protect their citizens from a government clearly out of control and openly trying to commit genocide.
Lithuania has maybe 8-10% russian population,comped to the 1/4 - 1/3 estonia and lativa do, because they fought the russians much harder, russians didnt want to settle there as colonizers bc it was dangerous for them. In 1991, Lt gave all within its boarders full citizenship, unlike lativa and estonia. The russians stayed, having full rights and they saw that prospects were even worse back home. All the Russians or Russian-Lithuanians I know consider themselves Lithuanian. The Russian-Lithuanians i know either dont speak any russian, or just a smattering of words, even the russians i know there use more Lithuanian. Its generational too, the youth see nato and europe and then they see how shitty russia is by comparison. They want the one with a future.
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Originally Posted By SparticleBrane:
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/worried-russia-lithuania-says-keep-calm-read-war-103856106.html

ILNIUS (Reuters) - Lithuania is publishing a manual to advise its citizens on how to survive a war on its soil as concerns grow that Russia's intervention in Ukraine heralds increased assertiveness in its tiny Baltic neighbors.
"Keep a sound mind, don't panic and don't lose clear thinking," the manual explains. "Gunshots just outside your window are not the end of the world."
The manual, which the Defence Ministry will send to libraries next week and also distribute at army events, says Lithuanians should resist foreign occupation with demonstrations and strikes, "or at least doing your job worse than usual".
In the event of invasion, the manual says Lithuanians should organize themselves through Twitter and Facebook and attempt cyber attacks against the enemy.
Lithuania spent much of the last century incorporated in Soviet Union, along with Latvia and Estonia, and upon independence in 1991 quickly sought to join the Western NATO alliance and the European Union.
It is increasingly worried about Russia, not least because of a military drill in the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad last month that featured 9,000 soldiers and more than 55 naval vessels.
"The examples of Georgia and Ukraine, which both lost a part of their territory, show us that we cannot rule out a similar kind of situation here, and that we should be ready," Defence Minister Juozas Olekas told Reuters.

I rost.


Was this manual issued to the NYPD as well?

Seriously, though, they're doing this right. Denial isn't a plan and it's not like a whole nation can "move to a better neighborhood." This isn't bluster, bravado, or surrender - just a large-scale case of "run whatcha brung." Good luck to them.
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Originally Posted By heeler1:



Because it's Europe.
The serfs are pretty much not allowed such freedoms.
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Originally Posted By sherrick13:
How about allowing easy access to private weapons. Make it costly to invade.



Because it's Europe.
The serfs are pretty much not allowed such freedoms.



The Estonian government gives civilian volunteers G3s ( Swedish made AK4s to be pedantic) and MG3s via the Kaitseliit.


The Defense Forces sponsor 3 gun matches for a reason.
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Was this manual issued to the NYPD as well?

Seriously, though, they're doing this right. Denial isn't a plan and it's not like a whole nation can "move to a better neighborhood." This isn't bluster, bravado, or surrender - just a large-scale case of "run whatcha brung." Good luck to them.
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Originally Posted By KeithC:
Originally Posted By SparticleBrane:
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/worried-russia-lithuania-says-keep-calm-read-war-103856106.html

ILNIUS (Reuters) - Lithuania is publishing a manual to advise its citizens on how to survive a war on its soil as concerns grow that Russia's intervention in Ukraine heralds increased assertiveness in its tiny Baltic neighbors.
"Keep a sound mind, don't panic and don't lose clear thinking," the manual explains. "Gunshots just outside your window are not the end of the world."
The manual, which the Defence Ministry will send to libraries next week and also distribute at army events, says Lithuanians should resist foreign occupation with demonstrations and strikes, "or at least doing your job worse than usual".
In the event of invasion, the manual says Lithuanians should organize themselves through Twitter and Facebook and attempt cyber attacks against the enemy.
Lithuania spent much of the last century incorporated in Soviet Union, along with Latvia and Estonia, and upon independence in 1991 quickly sought to join the Western NATO alliance and the European Union.
It is increasingly worried about Russia, not least because of a military drill in the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad last month that featured 9,000 soldiers and more than 55 naval vessels.
"The examples of Georgia and Ukraine, which both lost a part of their territory, show us that we cannot rule out a similar kind of situation here, and that we should be ready," Defence Minister Juozas Olekas told Reuters.

I rost.


Was this manual issued to the NYPD as well?

Seriously, though, they're doing this right. Denial isn't a plan and it's not like a whole nation can "move to a better neighborhood." This isn't bluster, bravado, or surrender - just a large-scale case of "run whatcha brung." Good luck to them.



There would be next to no chance that,for example,it would be possible to stop a force the size Russia placed on the Ukrainian border from taking Tallinn and Riga. It's a matter of numbers: too many Russians,not enough space to trade for time. It is approximately the same distance from Saint Petersberg to Tallinn as Boston to New York or Houston to Dallas.
So,what can be done about it? First,make it too costly to bother and then too costly to keep. The Forest Brothers are revered across the Baltics and it is generally held that capitulation under threat of occupation in 1940 was a terrible mistake : better to die fighting than in Siberia.
Link Posted: 1/16/2015 12:24:12 PM EST
Let the Lithuanians, Rumanians, Poles, Egyptians and even Russians serve as an inspiration for those who aspire for freedom. A totalitarian government may be overthrown.
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There would be next to no chance that,for example,it would be possible to stop a force the size Russia placed on the Ukrainian border from taking Tallinn and Riga. It's a matter of numbers: too many Russians,not enough space to trade for time. It is approximately the same distance from Saint Petersberg to Tallinn as Boston to New York or Houston to Dallas.
So,what can be done about it? First,make it too costly to bother and then too costly to keep. The Forest Brothers are revered across the Baltics and it is generally held that capitulation under threat of occupation in 1940 was a terrible mistake : better to die fighting than in Siberia.
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Originally Posted By outofbattery:
Originally Posted By KeithC:
Originally Posted By SparticleBrane:
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/worried-russia-lithuania-says-keep-calm-read-war-103856106.html

ILNIUS (Reuters) - Lithuania is publishing a manual to advise its citizens on how to survive a war on its soil as concerns grow that Russia's intervention in Ukraine heralds increased assertiveness in its tiny Baltic neighbors.
"Keep a sound mind, don't panic and don't lose clear thinking," the manual explains. "Gunshots just outside your window are not the end of the world."
The manual, which the Defence Ministry will send to libraries next week and also distribute at army events, says Lithuanians should resist foreign occupation with demonstrations and strikes, "or at least doing your job worse than usual".
In the event of invasion, the manual says Lithuanians should organize themselves through Twitter and Facebook and attempt cyber attacks against the enemy.
Lithuania spent much of the last century incorporated in Soviet Union, along with Latvia and Estonia, and upon independence in 1991 quickly sought to join the Western NATO alliance and the European Union.
It is increasingly worried about Russia, not least because of a military drill in the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad last month that featured 9,000 soldiers and more than 55 naval vessels.
"The examples of Georgia and Ukraine, which both lost a part of their territory, show us that we cannot rule out a similar kind of situation here, and that we should be ready," Defence Minister Juozas Olekas told Reuters.

I rost.


Was this manual issued to the NYPD as well?

Seriously, though, they're doing this right. Denial isn't a plan and it's not like a whole nation can "move to a better neighborhood." This isn't bluster, bravado, or surrender - just a large-scale case of "run whatcha brung." Good luck to them.



There would be next to no chance that,for example,it would be possible to stop a force the size Russia placed on the Ukrainian border from taking Tallinn and Riga. It's a matter of numbers: too many Russians,not enough space to trade for time. It is approximately the same distance from Saint Petersberg to Tallinn as Boston to New York or Houston to Dallas.
So,what can be done about it? First,make it too costly to bother and then too costly to keep. The Forest Brothers are revered across the Baltics and it is generally held that capitulation under threat of occupation in 1940 was a terrible mistake : better to die fighting than in Siberia.
This. In final summation, the baltics would be a speed bump for Russia. Not unlike the American forces in the fluda gap
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Originally Posted By Snips:


What does that accomplish, especially if the Russian pull the usual tactic of sponsoring native gangs. Hell, if anything, having Lithuanian citizens start killing Russian-Lithuanian citizens would give Russia the absolute perfect excuse they need to come in openly, to protect their citizens from a government clearly out of control and openly trying to commit genocide.
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Originally Posted By sherrick13:
How about allowing easy access to private weapons. Make it costly to invade.


What does that accomplish, especially if the Russian pull the usual tactic of sponsoring native gangs. Hell, if anything, having Lithuanian citizens start killing Russian-Lithuanian citizens would give Russia the absolute perfect excuse they need to come in openly, to protect their citizens from a government clearly out of control and openly trying to commit genocide.


If they're bothering to sponsor gangs, they're coming anyways. Might as well start whittling down their supporters before it gets even tougher to do so.
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Originally Posted By outofbattery:



There would be next to no chance that,for example,it would be possible to stop a force the size Russia placed on the Ukrainian border from taking Tallinn and Riga. It's a matter of numbers: too many Russians,not enough space to trade for time. It is approximately the same distance from Saint Petersberg to Tallinn as Boston to New York or Houston to Dallas.
So,what can be done about it? First,make it too costly to bother and then too costly to keep. The Forest Brothers are revered across the Baltics and it is generally held that capitulation under threat of occupation in 1940 was a terrible mistake : better to die fighting than in Siberia.
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Originally Posted By outofbattery:
Originally Posted By KeithC:
Originally Posted By SparticleBrane:
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/worried-russia-lithuania-says-keep-calm-read-war-103856106.html

ILNIUS (Reuters) - Lithuania is publishing a manual to advise its citizens on how to survive a war on its soil as concerns grow that Russia's intervention in Ukraine heralds increased assertiveness in its tiny Baltic neighbors.
"Keep a sound mind, don't panic and don't lose clear thinking," the manual explains. "Gunshots just outside your window are not the end of the world."
The manual, which the Defence Ministry will send to libraries next week and also distribute at army events, says Lithuanians should resist foreign occupation with demonstrations and strikes, "or at least doing your job worse than usual".
In the event of invasion, the manual says Lithuanians should organize themselves through Twitter and Facebook and attempt cyber attacks against the enemy.
Lithuania spent much of the last century incorporated in Soviet Union, along with Latvia and Estonia, and upon independence in 1991 quickly sought to join the Western NATO alliance and the European Union.
It is increasingly worried about Russia, not least because of a military drill in the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad last month that featured 9,000 soldiers and more than 55 naval vessels.
"The examples of Georgia and Ukraine, which both lost a part of their territory, show us that we cannot rule out a similar kind of situation here, and that we should be ready," Defence Minister Juozas Olekas told Reuters.

I rost.


Was this manual issued to the NYPD as well?

Seriously, though, they're doing this right. Denial isn't a plan and it's not like a whole nation can "move to a better neighborhood." This isn't bluster, bravado, or surrender - just a large-scale case of "run whatcha brung." Good luck to them.



There would be next to no chance that,for example,it would be possible to stop a force the size Russia placed on the Ukrainian border from taking Tallinn and Riga. It's a matter of numbers: too many Russians,not enough space to trade for time. It is approximately the same distance from Saint Petersberg to Tallinn as Boston to New York or Houston to Dallas.
So,what can be done about it? First,make it too costly to bother and then too costly to keep. The Forest Brothers are revered across the Baltics and it is generally held that capitulation under threat of occupation in 1940 was a terrible mistake : better to die fighting than in Siberia.

If they really care about their territory they should develople their own nukes
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Originally Posted By Bandit117:
Its not a joke, these people fought a shooting war against the soviets until 1956. They know firsthand what the soviets/russians are capable of. 200,000 in a country of 3 million were deported to Siberia
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Originally Posted By SparticleBrane:
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/worried-russia-lithuania-says-keep-calm-read-war-103856106.html

ILNIUS (Reuters) - Lithuania is publishing a manual to advise its citizens on how to survive a war on its soil as concerns grow that Russia's intervention in Ukraine heralds increased assertiveness in its tiny Baltic neighbors.
"Keep a sound mind, don't panic and don't lose clear thinking," the manual explains. "Gunshots just outside your window are not the end of the world."
The manual, which the Defence Ministry will send to libraries next week and also distribute at army events, says Lithuanians should resist foreign occupation with demonstrations and strikes, "or at least doing your job worse than usual".
In the event of invasion, the manual says Lithuanians should organize themselves through Twitter and Facebook and attempt cyber attacks against the enemy.
Lithuania spent much of the last century incorporated in Soviet Union, along with Latvia and Estonia, and upon independence in 1991 quickly sought to join the Western NATO alliance and the European Union.
It is increasingly worried about Russia, not least because of a military drill in the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad last month that featured 9,000 soldiers and more than 55 naval vessels.
"The examples of Georgia and Ukraine, which both lost a part of their territory, show us that we cannot rule out a similar kind of situation here, and that we should be ready," Defence Minister Juozas Olekas told Reuters.

I rost.
Its not a joke, these people fought a shooting war against the soviets until 1956. They know firsthand what the soviets/russians are capable of. 200,000 in a country of 3 million were deported to Siberia
Forest Brothers
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Not sure if serious or not...

That's not viable for many reasons
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Not sure if serious or not...

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I am serious. You said it yourself there is no way to stop Russia if they want to invade. If they thought Moscow would eat a few nukes they would stay on their side of the border. You say its not viable, fine. Its only a matter of time before Russia seizes your country. lets not be in denial, NATO won't come to the rescue
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A better idea would be to have Lithuania give detailed IED making instruction to each and every member of their regular armed forces, while quietly stockpiling fertilizer, nitromethane, etc, in small caches throughout the country.

Then instruct citizens to stockpile the sorts of common household goods that are useful in IED manufacture.

If/when the Russians invade, the army 'disbands' and goes guerilla from day one.
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If they're bothering to sponsor gangs, they're coming anyways. Might as well start whittling down their supporters before it gets even tougher to do so.
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Originally Posted By Snips:
Originally Posted By sherrick13:
How about allowing easy access to private weapons. Make it costly to invade.


What does that accomplish, especially if the Russian pull the usual tactic of sponsoring native gangs. Hell, if anything, having Lithuanian citizens start killing Russian-Lithuanian citizens would give Russia the absolute perfect excuse they need to come in openly, to protect their citizens from a government clearly out of control and openly trying to commit genocide.


If they're bothering to sponsor gangs, they're coming anyways. Might as well start whittling down their supporters before it gets even tougher to do so.


Think PR. Lithuania won't be the Russians. Their best bet is outside intervention, and we see how well that's working out for Ukraine right now. NATO membership is their out, and I don't know if it'll work if Lithuanian citizens start killing other Lithuanians as the provocation for the attack.
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Actually Lithuania is one of the few European countries to have CCW.

and they know a lot about using guns to fight an oppressive government

http://www.genocid.lt/UserFiles/Image/Muziejus/Virt_parodos/signatarai/20090204_faustas_d.jpg

they waged a partisan war against the soviets, armed men and women, forming well organized units, fighting the communists.
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Originally Posted By heeler1:
Originally Posted By sherrick13:
How about allowing easy access to private weapons. Make it costly to invade.



Because it's Europe.
The serfs are pretty much not allowed such freedoms.
Actually Lithuania is one of the few European countries to have CCW.

and they know a lot about using guns to fight an oppressive government

http://www.genocid.lt/UserFiles/Image/Muziejus/Virt_parodos/signatarai/20090204_faustas_d.jpg

they waged a partisan war against the soviets, armed men and women, forming well organized units, fighting the communists.


mmmmm STG44
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what disturbs me the most is the government felt the needs to publish this..... now
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I don't think it's anything that the Lithuanians didn't know before, this kind of thing dates all the way back even through World War II with the stuff the Danes put out. The Lithuanian underground press during the occupation put out all sorts of tips on resistance and things to do to frustrate the Soviets. I think it's more of a warning to Russia, then teaching anyone in Lithuania anything they don't already know.
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Bring back the Polish - Lithuania common wealth
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Sadly not the first time Lithuanian have hsd to deal with the Russian Bear.






http://daivavenckus.com/mysite/photos/
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Actually Lithuania is one of the few European countries to have CCW.

and they know a lot about using guns to fight an oppressive government

http://www.genocid.lt/UserFiles/Image/Muziejus/Virt_parodos/signatarai/20090204_faustas_d.jpg

they waged a partisan war against the soviets, armed men and women, forming well organized units, fighting the communists.
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Originally Posted By heeler1:
Originally Posted By sherrick13:
How about allowing easy access to private weapons. Make it costly to invade.



Because it's Europe.
The serfs are pretty much not allowed such freedoms.
Actually Lithuania is one of the few European countries to have CCW.

and they know a lot about using guns to fight an oppressive government

http://www.genocid.lt/UserFiles/Image/Muziejus/Virt_parodos/signatarai/20090204_faustas_d.jpg

they waged a partisan war against the soviets, armed men and women, forming well organized units, fighting the communists.


They fought well into the late 50s until the organization was betrayed by Russian spies in the English Intelligence Services.
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They fought well into the late 50s until the organization was betrayed by Russian spies in the English Intelligence Services.
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Originally Posted By Bandit117:
Originally Posted By heeler1:
Originally Posted By sherrick13:
How about allowing easy access to private weapons. Make it costly to invade.



Because it's Europe.
The serfs are pretty much not allowed such freedoms.
Actually Lithuania is one of the few European countries to have CCW.

and they know a lot about using guns to fight an oppressive government

http://www.genocid.lt/UserFiles/Image/Muziejus/Virt_parodos/signatarai/20090204_faustas_d.jpg

they waged a partisan war against the soviets, armed men and women, forming well organized units, fighting the communists.


They fought well into the late 50s until the organization was betrayed by Russian spies in the English Intelligence Services.
As well as traitors from within, who turned on their fellow partizanas
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They could try banning any use of the Russian language and expell all the ethnic Russians to Crimea. Then study Switzerland's model for self-reservation.
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Switzerland has the Alps, mined tunnels and bridges. With modern technology, it's easier to invade Switzerland today than it was in 1900, 1914 or 1945. Neutral countries have been invaded in the past. Neutrality didn't stop the Germans from invading Denmark or Belgium or Luxembourg in WW II. Luxembourg had one police officer at its border. He denied the German Army entry into Luxembourg. The Germans shot him.
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Lithuania has maybe 8-10% russian population,comped to the 1/4 - 1/3 estonia and lativa do, because they fought the russians much harder, russians didnt want to settle there as colonizers bc it was dangerous for them. In 1991, Lt gave all within its boarders full citizenship, unlike lativa and estonia. The russians stayed, having full rights and they saw that prospects were even worse back home. All the Russians or Russian-Lithuanians I know consider themselves Lithuanian. The Russian-Lithuanians i know either dont speak any russian, or just a smattering of words, even the russians i know there use more Lithuanian. Its generational too, the youth see nato and europe and then they see how shitty russia is by comparison. They want the one with a future.
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Originally Posted By Snips:
Originally Posted By sherrick13:
How about allowing easy access to private weapons. Make it costly to invade.


What does that accomplish, especially if the Russian pull the usual tactic of sponsoring native gangs. Hell, if anything, having Lithuanian citizens start killing Russian-Lithuanian citizens would give Russia the absolute perfect excuse they need to come in openly, to protect their citizens from a government clearly out of control and openly trying to commit genocide.
Lithuania has maybe 8-10% russian population,comped to the 1/4 - 1/3 estonia and lativa do, because they fought the russians much harder, russians didnt want to settle there as colonizers bc it was dangerous for them. In 1991, Lt gave all within its boarders full citizenship, unlike lativa and estonia. The russians stayed, having full rights and they saw that prospects were even worse back home. All the Russians or Russian-Lithuanians I know consider themselves Lithuanian. The Russian-Lithuanians i know either dont speak any russian, or just a smattering of words, even the russians i know there use more Lithuanian. Its generational too, the youth see nato and europe and then they see how shitty russia is by comparison. They want the one with a future.
Thanks, Perry much what I was going to say. Lithuania is not Ukraine.
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The Estonian government gives civilian volunteers G3s ( Swedish made AK4s to be pedantic) and MG3s via the Kaitseliit.


The Defense Forces sponsor 3 gun matches for a reason.
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Originally Posted By heeler1:
Originally Posted By sherrick13:
How about allowing easy access to private weapons. Make it costly to invade.



Because it's Europe.
The serfs are pretty much not allowed such freedoms.



The Estonian government gives civilian volunteers G3s ( Swedish made AK4s to be pedantic) and MG3s via the Kaitseliit.


The Defense Forces sponsor 3 gun matches for a reason.
Of course. The are really Finnish. The are much more gun friendly than Slavs.
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They dont need to, the russians there are only 6% as of 2011, they are well integrated and are not a 5th column, unlike in the other baltic nations.
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It took a metric fuckton of googling, but I found it.


here is the manual, called "Ka Turime Zinoti"

Unfortunately my Lithuanian is so piss poor all I can do is poorly flirt and order food and beer.

the link is from the kalapedia city, it says

Please be advised that š. m. 6 January. Defence Ministry to the general public was introduced to the publication "What do we know about the preparations for emergencies and during the war." This publication has been prepared according to the new security realities and the related special attention to the country's public security and defense issues.
The publication contains:

• information and tips that are valuable in the fight with the enemy, using the so-called hybrid methods of war;

• Information on the state response to disasters, risks and threats of peace and war;

• a minimum of information about what you need to do for the citizens themselves, in order to protect themselves from disasters and contribute to the country's defense;

• concrete, practical advice on how to handle emergencies, or the appearance of hostile soldiers in time of war: for example, what items you pick up the evacuation, how to behave in the event of an explosion, how to act in case after debris, what do you do if you failed to evacuate the city where hostile soldiers and others.

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Lithuania has maybe 8-10% russian population,comped to the 1/4 - 1/3 estonia and lativa do, because they fought the russians much harder, russians didnt want to settle there as colonizers bc it was dangerous for them. In 1991, Lt gave all within its boarders full citizenship, unlike lativa and estonia. The russians stayed, having full rights and they saw that prospects were even worse back home. All the Russians or Russian-Lithuanians I know consider themselves Lithuanian. The Russian-Lithuanians i know either dont speak any russian, or just a smattering of words, even the russians i know there use more Lithuanian. Its generational too, the youth see nato and europe and then they see how shitty russia is by comparison. They want the one with a future.
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Originally Posted By Snips:
Originally Posted By sherrick13:
How about allowing easy access to private weapons. Make it costly to invade.


What does that accomplish, especially if the Russian pull the usual tactic of sponsoring native gangs. Hell, if anything, having Lithuanian citizens start killing Russian-Lithuanian citizens would give Russia the absolute perfect excuse they need to come in openly, to protect their citizens from a government clearly out of control and openly trying to commit genocide.
Lithuania has maybe 8-10% russian population,comped to the 1/4 - 1/3 estonia and lativa do, because they fought the russians much harder, russians didnt want to settle there as colonizers bc it was dangerous for them. In 1991, Lt gave all within its boarders full citizenship, unlike lativa and estonia. The russians stayed, having full rights and they saw that prospects were even worse back home. All the Russians or Russian-Lithuanians I know consider themselves Lithuanian. The Russian-Lithuanians i know either dont speak any russian, or just a smattering of words, even the russians i know there use more Lithuanian. Its generational too, the youth see nato and europe and then they see how shitty russia is by comparison. They want the one with a future.



Russia's population is 144 million. Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia barely have 7 million combined…


But they'd fight like hell, and Poland would probably help them.
Link Posted: 1/16/2015 3:55:29 PM EST
Goddamn I hate Ivan.
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Can I see a copy of it online? I would like to read it.
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The trick is to turn your country into something that is not worth it to them in trying to take away.

In other words, raise the cost. Lower the value. Get both.

Look at it from Russia's perspective:


Cost of taking Crimea? Why not very much at all. Lots of benefits. Huge domestic PR win.

Cost of taking Afghanistan? Not that high, but worthless once you have it (ie DO NOT WANT)

Cost of taking a NATO country like Poland? Risk of WW3. OTOH, historically accustomed to occupation.

The best options for the Baltics are membership in NATO and EU.

Plus closer military alignment /cooperation with the Scaninavian and Nordic countries. Sweden and Norway are not too keen on Russian submarine activity lately.
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look up a few posts, i linked it, its in lithuanian
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Russia's population is 144 million. Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia barely have 7 million combined…


But they'd fight like hell, and Poland would probably help them.
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Originally Posted By Bandit117:
Originally Posted By Snips:
Originally Posted By sherrick13:
How about allowing easy access to private weapons. Make it costly to invade.


What does that accomplish, especially if the Russian pull the usual tactic of sponsoring native gangs. Hell, if anything, having Lithuanian citizens start killing Russian-Lithuanian citizens would give Russia the absolute perfect excuse they need to come in openly, to protect their citizens from a government clearly out of control and openly trying to commit genocide.
Lithuania has maybe 8-10% russian population,comped to the 1/4 - 1/3 estonia and lativa do, because they fought the russians much harder, russians didnt want to settle there as colonizers bc it was dangerous for them. In 1991, Lt gave all within its boarders full citizenship, unlike lativa and estonia. The russians stayed, having full rights and they saw that prospects were even worse back home. All the Russians or Russian-Lithuanians I know consider themselves Lithuanian. The Russian-Lithuanians i know either dont speak any russian, or just a smattering of words, even the russians i know there use more Lithuanian. Its generational too, the youth see nato and europe and then they see how shitty russia is by comparison. They want the one with a future.



Russia's population is 144 million. Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia barely have 7 million combined…


But they'd fight like hell, and Poland would probably help them.
Poland is in talks with Lt to restore the commonwealth, for defense purposes, a joint Lithuanian-Polish force.
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As well as traitors from within, who turned on their fellow partizanas
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Originally Posted By Iggyort:
Originally Posted By Bandit117:
Originally Posted By heeler1:
Originally Posted By sherrick13:
How about allowing easy access to private weapons. Make it costly to invade.



Because it's Europe.
The serfs are pretty much not allowed such freedoms.
Actually Lithuania is one of the few European countries to have CCW.

and they know a lot about using guns to fight an oppressive government

http://www.genocid.lt/UserFiles/Image/Muziejus/Virt_parodos/signatarai/20090204_faustas_d.jpg

they waged a partisan war against the soviets, armed men and women, forming well organized units, fighting the communists.


They fought well into the late 50s until the organization was betrayed by Russian spies in the English Intelligence Services.
As well as traitors from within, who turned on their fellow partizanas


The Russians used the newly-created CIA to penetrate resistance movements in Eastern Europe before they dealt with them in preparation for the open invasion. This happened in Hungary and Czechoslovakia, where the CIA was supposed to be helping the resistance movements.

Since the NKVD had penetrated the CIA with 200 doubles under Reinhardt Gehlen's organization, they were able to get critical intelligence on who all the resistance leaders and members were, their networks, associates, caches...the whole 9 yards.

That's why they were so successful when the paratroopers landed at the airport. The resistances had been gutted beforehand covertly. Russia is very good at that, because they know their military weaknesses.
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Originally Posted By Dominion21:
The trick is to turn your country into something that is not worth it to them in trying to take away.

In other words, raise the cost. Lower the value. Get both.

Look at it from Russia's perspective:


Cost of taking Crimea? Why not very much at all. Lots of benefits. Huge domestic PR win.

Cost of taking Afghanistan? Not that high, but worthless once you have it (ie DO NOT WANT)

Cost of taking a NATO country like Poland? Risk of WW3. OTOH, historically accustomed to occupation.

The best options for the Baltics are membership in NATO and EU.

Plus closer military alignment /cooperation with the Scaninavian and Nordic countries. Sweden and Norway are not too keen on Russian submarine activity lately.
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The saying is this...

Is the juice worth the squeeze?
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pass AK's out like Pez despensers of Lead and Hate.
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here is the manual, called "Ka Turime Zinoti"

Unfortunately my Lithuanian is so piss poor all I can do is poorly flirt and order food and beer.

the link is from the kalapedia city, it says

Please be advised that š. m. 6 January. Defence Ministry to the general public was introduced to the publication "What do we know about the preparations for emergencies and during the war." This publication has been prepared according to the new security realities and the related special attention to the country's public security and defense issues.
The publication contains:

• information and tips that are valuable in the fight with the enemy, using the so-called hybrid methods of war;

• Information on the state response to disasters, risks and threats of peace and war;

• a minimum of information about what you need to do for the citizens themselves, in order to protect themselves from disasters and contribute to the country's defense;

• concrete, practical advice on how to handle emergencies, or the appearance of hostile soldiers in time of war: for example, what items you pick up the evacuation, how to behave in the event of an explosion, how to act in case after debris, what do you do if you failed to evacuate the city where hostile soldiers and others.

I just went to https://translate.google.com/?tr=f&hl=en and it translated the pdf into english
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The Russians used the newly-created CIA to penetrate resistance movements in Eastern Europe before they dealt with them in preparation for the open invasion. This happened in Hungary and Czechoslovakia, where the CIA was supposed to be helping the resistance movements.

Since the NKVD had penetrated the CIA with 200 doubles under Reinhardt Gehlen's organization, they were able to get critical intelligence on who all the resistance leaders and members were, their networks, associates, caches...the whole 9 yards.

That's why they were so successful when the paratroopers landed at the airport. The resistances had been gutted beforehand covertly. Russia is very good at that, because they know their military weaknesses.
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Originally Posted By Bandit117:
Originally Posted By Iggyort:
Originally Posted By Bandit117private weapons. Make it costly to invade.



Because it's Europe.
The serfs are pretty much not allowed such freedoms.
Actually Lithuania is one of the few European countries to have CCW.

and they know a lot about using guns to fight an oppressive government

http://www.genocid.lt/UserFiles/Image/Muziejus/Virt_parodos/signatarai/20090204_faustas_d.jpg

they waged a partisan war against the soviets, armed men and women, forming well organized units, fighting the communists.


They fought well into the late 50s until the organization was betrayed by Russian spies in the English Intelligence Services.
As well as traitors from within, who turned on their fellow partizanas


The Russians used the newly-created CIA to penetrate resistance movements in Eastern Europe before they dealt with them in preparation for the open invasion. This happened in Hungary and Czechoslovakia, where the CIA was supposed to be helping the resistance movements.

Since the NKVD had penetrated the CIA with 200 doubles under Reinhardt Gehlen's organization, they were able to get critical intelligence on who all the resistance leaders and members were, their networks, associates, caches...the whole 9 yards.

That's why they were so successful when the paratroopers landed at the airport. The resistances had been gutted beforehand covertly. Russia is very good at that, because they know their military weaknesses.
Yes but your timeline is off. The resistance started out as an organic, indigenous, local movement. They got no help from the west, and were totally ignored by politicians, Roosevelt hacks among others, trying to make nice with the commies. It wasn't until late 1940s (48-49) that the west really took it seriously. By then, the movement was already on the decline. Support was waning, the battles taking their toll on men and equipment, losses were high. The nkvd had informants and infiltrators and captured ex-partisans turned, without the help of western intelligence doubles. When the west started to help, after the movement peaked, that help was intercepted easily, as the intelligence services were compromised from within, as you pointed out.
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If they're bothering to sponsor gangs, they're coming anyways. Might as well start whittling down their supporters before it gets even tougher to do so.
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Originally Posted By Snips:
Originally Posted By sherrick13:
How about allowing easy access to private weapons. Make it costly to invade.


What does that accomplish, especially if the Russian pull the usual tactic of sponsoring native gangs. Hell, if anything, having Lithuanian citizens start killing Russian-Lithuanian citizens would give Russia the absolute perfect excuse they need to come in openly, to protect their citizens from a government clearly out of control and openly trying to commit genocide.


If they're bothering to sponsor gangs, they're coming anyways. Might as well start whittling down their supporters before it gets even tougher to do so.

man some people really do like the taste of boot
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The Swiss wrote a similar manual in the 50s against a Russian invasion. I have seen it on sale on Amazon. Lots of dated stuff but an interesting read.
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What does that accomplish, especially if the Russian pull the usual tactic of sponsoring native gangs. Hell, if anything, having Lithuanian citizens start killing Russian-Lithuanian citizens would give Russia the absolute perfect excuse they need to come in openly, to protect their citizens from a government clearly out of control and openly trying to commit genocide.
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Originally Posted By sherrick13:
How about allowing easy access to private weapons. Make it costly to invade.


What does that accomplish, especially if the Russian pull the usual tactic of sponsoring native gangs. Hell, if anything, having Lithuanian citizens start killing Russian-Lithuanian citizens would give Russia the absolute perfect excuse they need to come in openly, to protect their citizens from a government clearly out of control and openly trying to commit genocide.



lol
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The Swiss wrote a similar manual in the 50s against a Russian invasion. I have seen it on sale on Amazon. Lots of dated stuff but an interesting read.
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Originally Posted By Iggyort:
Originally Posted By Thoth8:
Can I see a copy of it online? I would like to read it.



The Swiss wrote a similar manual in the 50s against a Russian invasion. I have seen it on sale on Amazon. Lots of dated stuff but an interesting read.


Here you go. The book is called Total Resistance

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_Resistance_(book)

http://www.amazon.com/Total-Resistance-H-Von-Dach/dp/1607963043
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