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Posted: 6/19/2016 4:15:05 PM EDT
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those people are idiots.
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Posted: 6/19/2016 4:16:35 PM EDT
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The arguments for secession are the same here as they are in the EU. Most people in the US refuse to acknowledge that - even those who are in favor of a Brexit will scoff, belittle, and fight to their dying breath against those who mention it in a favorable light here in the USA.
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Posted: 6/19/2016 4:18:53 PM EDT
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The arguments for secession are the same here as they are in the EU. Most people in the US refuse to acknowledge that - even those who are in favor of a Brexit will scoff, belittle, and fight to their dying breath against those who mention it in a favorable light here in the USA. Aside from the European Union government not being analogous to the Federal government and Britain not being analogous to any State in the US, it's a perfect analogy. |
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Posted: 6/19/2016 4:21:01 PM EDT
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For that to happen, Texas would have to be able to function as an autonomous entity.
If ever there were to be a Balkanization, it would have to be groups of states. |
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Posted: 6/19/2016 4:24:38 PM EDT
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For that to happen, Texas would have to be able to function as an autonomous entity. If ever there were to be a Balkanization, it would have to be groups of states. Texas is one of the few that would be able to so function, though it would be a bit rough at first as certain things would have to be whomped up almost totally from scratch. Like a Navy. |
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Posted: 6/19/2016 4:26:43 PM EDT
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Aside from the European Union government not being analogous to the Federal government and Britain not being analogous to any State in the US, it's a perfect analogy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The arguments for secession are the same here as they are in the EU. Most people in the US refuse to acknowledge that - even those who are in favor of a Brexit will scoff, belittle, and fight to their dying breath against those who mention it in a favorable light here in the USA. Aside from the European Union government not being analogous to the Federal government and Britain not being analogous to any State in the US, it's a perfect analogy. Give it some time. The EU will eventually strip the European nations of their sovereignty exactly as the federal government did to the states here. Don't forget that the USA started out as independent nations that agreed to form a union. The founders never intended the federal government to be calling all the shots. |
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Posted: 6/19/2016 4:28:10 PM EDT
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The arguments for secession are the same here as they are in the EU. Most people in the US refuse to acknowledge that - even those who are in favor of a Brexit will scoff, belittle, and fight to their dying breath against those who mention it in a favorable light here in the USA. ETA - see the post above mine. Historically European countries have been sovereign nations. Except for a brief historical period Texas has been a part of the U.S. I've had those fuck faces ask me to sign petitions at gun shows. |
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Posted: 6/19/2016 4:28:20 PM EDT
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Texas is one of the few that would be able to so function, though it would be a bit rough at first as certain things would have to be whomped up almost totally from scratch. Like a Navy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For that to happen, Texas would have to be able to function as an autonomous entity. If ever there were to be a Balkanization, it would have to be groups of states. Texas is one of the few that would be able to so function, though it would be a bit rough at first as certain things would have to be whomped up almost totally from scratch. Like a Navy. There would still have to be trade coalitions, there'd be arguments over water, port access, what resources they can use in the Gulf (fishing, gas, oil, etc). They'd be 'stealing' a lot away from the union and you don't do that without a couple of SEC states to back you up. |
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Posted: 6/19/2016 4:29:16 PM EDT
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Texas is one of the few that would be able to so function, though it would be a bit rough at first as certain things would have to be whomped up almost totally from scratch. Like a Navy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For that to happen, Texas would have to be able to function as an autonomous entity. If ever there were to be a Balkanization, it would have to be groups of states. Texas is one of the few that would be able to so function, though it would be a bit rough at first as certain things would have to be whomped up almost totally from scratch. Like a Navy. Texas is on the federal tit as much as the other 49 |
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Posted: 6/19/2016 4:29:22 PM EDT
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That's profoundly retarded. |
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Posted: 6/19/2016 4:29:23 PM EDT
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For that to happen, Texas would have to be able to function as an autonomous entity. If ever there were to be a Balkanization, it would have to be groups of states. If any single state could it would be Texas, Hawaii or Alaska. |
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Posted: 6/19/2016 4:30:50 PM EDT
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There would still have to be trade coalitions, there'd be arguments over water, port access, what resources they can use in the Gulf (fishing, gas, oil, etc). They'd be 'stealing' a lot away from the union and you don't do that without a couple of SEC states to back you up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For that to happen, Texas would have to be able to function as an autonomous entity. If ever there were to be a Balkanization, it would have to be groups of states. Texas is one of the few that would be able to so function, though it would be a bit rough at first as certain things would have to be whomped up almost totally from scratch. Like a Navy. There would still have to be trade coalitions, there'd be arguments over water, port access, what resources they can use in the Gulf (fishing, gas, oil, etc). They'd be 'stealing' a lot away from the union and you don't do that without a couple of SEC states to back you up. Most of those aren't a measure of Texas' inability to function autonomously. Taiwan operates just fine without the rest of China telling it what to do. When the rest of China conquers it, won't be because Taiwan was no longer able to operate autonomously. |
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Posted: 6/19/2016 4:31:30 PM EDT
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Texas is on the federal tit as much as the other 49 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For that to happen, Texas would have to be able to function as an autonomous entity. If ever there were to be a Balkanization, it would have to be groups of states. Texas is one of the few that would be able to so function, though it would be a bit rough at first as certain things would have to be whomped up almost totally from scratch. Like a Navy. Texas is on the federal tit as much as the other 49 No it isn't. Texas gets back less than it gives. |
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Posted: 6/19/2016 4:32:09 PM EDT
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I'd like California to secede.
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Posted: 6/19/2016 4:34:15 PM EDT
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Most of those aren't a measure of Texas' inability to function autonomously. Taiwan operates just fine without the rest of China telling it what to do. When the rest of China conquers it, won't be because Taiwan was no longer able to operate autonomously. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For that to happen, Texas would have to be able to function as an autonomous entity. If ever there were to be a Balkanization, it would have to be groups of states. Texas is one of the few that would be able to so function, though it would be a bit rough at first as certain things would have to be whomped up almost totally from scratch. Like a Navy. There would still have to be trade coalitions, there'd be arguments over water, port access, what resources they can use in the Gulf (fishing, gas, oil, etc). They'd be 'stealing' a lot away from the union and you don't do that without a couple of SEC states to back you up. Most of those aren't a measure of Texas' inability to function autonomously. Taiwan operates just fine without the rest of China telling it what to do. When the rest of China conquers it, won't be because Taiwan was no longer able to operate autonomously. Operating autonomously and utilizing the resources in and around your borders are kind of the same thing. I doubt the remaining US states would be so generous with Texas using their gulf oil resources, shipping lanes, rivers, etc. What I'm saying is that there would be coalition governments of adjacent states for this to work--and they'd still have to have some commonality (like trade, a somewhat shared continental army, etc.). |
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Posted: 6/19/2016 4:34:19 PM EDT
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No it isn't. Texas gets back less than it gives. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For that to happen, Texas would have to be able to function as an autonomous entity. If ever there were to be a Balkanization, it would have to be groups of states. Texas is one of the few that would be able to so function, though it would be a bit rough at first as certain things would have to be whomped up almost totally from scratch. Like a Navy. Texas is on the federal tit as much as the other 49 No it isn't. Texas gets back less than it gives. Source? |
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Posted: 6/19/2016 4:36:50 PM EDT
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 From your lips... erm, fingers, to God's ear. Leave DC to pay for their own socialist welfare state. 
Tho the last time some states tried to go solo & told DC to fuck off, things didn't go so well... 
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Posted: 6/19/2016 4:38:41 PM EDT
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From your lips... erm, fingers, to God's ear. Leave DC to pay for their own socialist welfare state.
Tho the last time some states tried to go solo & told DC to fuck off, things didn't go so well... I don't think they'd be able to do shit if the country fractured into 5 or 6 coalitions with regional governments. Pushing in one state's shit, OTOH, wouldn't be hard. The entire masturbatory fantasy behind this is to decentralize government in this country. DC doesn't know what's best for people in AL or CO or TX. |
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Posted: 6/19/2016 4:39:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/19/2016 4:39:30 PM EDT
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Operating autonomously and utilizing the resources in and around your borders are kind of the same thing. I doubt the remaining US states would be so generous with Texas using their gulf oil resources, shipping lanes, rivers, etc. What I'm saying is that there would be coalition governments of adjacent states for this to work--and they'd still have to have some commonality (like trade, a somewhat shared continental army, etc.). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For that to happen, Texas would have to be able to function as an autonomous entity. If ever there were to be a Balkanization, it would have to be groups of states. Texas is one of the few that would be able to so function, though it would be a bit rough at first as certain things would have to be whomped up almost totally from scratch. Like a Navy. There would still have to be trade coalitions, there'd be arguments over water, port access, what resources they can use in the Gulf (fishing, gas, oil, etc). They'd be 'stealing' a lot away from the union and you don't do that without a couple of SEC states to back you up. Most of those aren't a measure of Texas' inability to function autonomously. Taiwan operates just fine without the rest of China telling it what to do. When the rest of China conquers it, won't be because Taiwan was no longer able to operate autonomously. Operating autonomously and utilizing the resources in and around your borders are kind of the same thing. I doubt the remaining US states would be so generous with Texas using their gulf oil resources, shipping lanes, rivers, etc. What I'm saying is that there would be coalition governments of adjacent states for this to work--and they'd still have to have some commonality (like trade, a somewhat shared continental army, etc.). I think that's been done before and it didn't really work out too well. |
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Posted: 6/19/2016 4:40:17 PM EDT
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Texas isn't leaving.
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Posted: 6/19/2016 4:44:47 PM EDT
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For that to happen, Texas would have to be able to function as an autonomous entity. If ever there were to be a Balkanization, it would have to be groups of states. Texas is one of the few that would be able to so function, though it would be a bit rough at first as certain things would have to be whomped up almost totally from scratch. Like a Navy. Texas is on the federal tit as much as the other 49 No it isn't. Texas gets back less than it gives. Source? You first. |
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Posted: 6/19/2016 4:44:51 PM EDT
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For that to happen, Texas would have to be able to function as an autonomous entity. If ever there were to be a Balkanization, it would have to be groups of states. Texas is one of the few that would be able to so function, though it would be a bit rough at first as certain things would have to be whomped up almost totally from scratch. Like a Navy. Texas is on the federal tit as much as the other 49 No it isn't. Texas gets back less than it gives. Source? It will be old, since we fell over the line about a year ago. Just too many federal contracts and bases in TX. |
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Posted: 6/19/2016 4:45:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/19/2016 4:45:44 PM EDT
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For that to happen, Texas would have to be able to function as an autonomous entity. If ever there were to be a Balkanization, it would have to be groups of states. If Texas seceded today it would be the 13th largest GDP in the world. Most of the state has its own power grid. The state has its own food and meat production. Steel, guns, and electronics are all produced here. I think we could make it. |
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Posted: 6/19/2016 4:48:10 PM EDT
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Wait! I think I saw this movie already.
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Posted: 6/19/2016 4:50:34 PM EDT
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Wait! I think I saw this movie already. You did it was Ken Burns Civil War epic. I hate to give away the ending in consideration of those who may not of seen it.. |
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Posted: 6/19/2016 4:51:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryAny "nation" that is embarrassed by Texas needs to rethink some things. Obviously you would be better off without us. |
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Posted: 6/19/2016 4:54:37 PM EDT
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Let me move there first.
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Posted: 6/19/2016 4:55:24 PM EDT
[#30]
I'd be rather happy to live in the Republic of Texas.
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Posted: 6/19/2016 4:56:44 PM EDT
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Any "nation" that is embarrassed by Texas needs to rethink some things. Obviously you would be better off without us. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Any "nation" that is embarrassed by Texas needs to rethink some things. Obviously you would be better off without us. It's not "America: 49 states and the kid that takes his ball and goes home" Ask the south, particularly, Georgia, what happened the last time some uppity states tried that shit 
Or are you gonna loose your swarming democrat Austin weirdos on us? 
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Posted: 6/19/2016 4:56:55 PM EDT
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Any "nation" that is embarrassed by Texas needs to rethink some things. Obviously you would be better off without us. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Any "nation" that is embarrassed by Texas needs to rethink some things. Obviously you would be better off without us. To be fair, Cornyn is mildly retarded while Pat Toomey is a flaming fucktard. |
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Posted: 6/19/2016 4:58:48 PM EDT
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Operating autonomously and utilizing the resources in and around your borders are kind of the same thing. I doubt the remaining US states would be so generous with Texas using their gulf oil resources, shipping lanes, rivers, etc. What I'm saying is that there would be coalition governments of adjacent states for this to work--and they'd still have to have some commonality (like trade, a somewhat shared continental army, etc.). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For that to happen, Texas would have to be able to function as an autonomous entity. If ever there were to be a Balkanization, it would have to be groups of states. Texas is one of the few that would be able to so function, though it would be a bit rough at first as certain things would have to be whomped up almost totally from scratch. Like a Navy. There would still have to be trade coalitions, there'd be arguments over water, port access, what resources they can use in the Gulf (fishing, gas, oil, etc). They'd be 'stealing' a lot away from the union and you don't do that without a couple of SEC states to back you up. Most of those aren't a measure of Texas' inability to function autonomously. Taiwan operates just fine without the rest of China telling it what to do. When the rest of China conquers it, won't be because Taiwan was no longer able to operate autonomously. Operating autonomously and utilizing the resources in and around your borders are kind of the same thing. I doubt the remaining US states would be so generous with Texas using their gulf oil resources, shipping lanes, rivers, etc. What I'm saying is that there would be coalition governments of adjacent states for this to work--and they'd still have to have some commonality (like trade, a somewhat shared continental army, etc.). I would agree with you. If that ball ever got rolling it wouldn't be TX alone, at mInimum it would likely include OK and LA. Regardless, the likelihood of any of that happening will remain around zero for my lifetime at least. |
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Posted: 6/19/2016 5:00:02 PM EDT
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To be fair, Cornyn is mildly retarded while Pat Toomey is a flaming fucktard. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Any "nation" that is embarrassed by Texas needs to rethink some things. Obviously you would be better off without us. To be fair, Cornyn is mildly retarded while Pat Toomey is a flaming fucktard. You ever give a spatula and strainer with a bunch of potatoes to a retard and tell him he's a good chef? That's what we're doing with Pat Toomey. We're all proud he's a politician, but really, we just let him pretend he's doing something. Meanwhile, former Mexican colony Texas has this piece of shit: 
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Posted: 6/19/2016 5:01:32 PM EDT
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Heres an intersting source regarding federal dependency:
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/ |
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Posted: 6/19/2016 5:03:53 PM EDT
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You ever give a spatula and strainer with a bunch of potatoes to a retard and tell him he's a good chef? That's what we're doing with Pat Toomey. We're all proud he's a politician, but really, we just let him pretend he's doing something. Meanwhile, former Mexican colony Texas has this piece of shit: https://regularrightguy.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/clown.png?w=547 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Any "nation" that is embarrassed by Texas needs to rethink some things. Obviously you would be better off without us. To be fair, Cornyn is mildly retarded while Pat Toomey is a flaming fucktard. You ever give a spatula and strainer with a bunch of potatoes to a retard and tell him he's a good chef? That's what we're doing with Pat Toomey. We're all proud he's a politician, but really, we just let him pretend he's doing something. Meanwhile, former Mexican colony Texas has this piece of shit: https://regularrightguy.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/clown.png?w=547 Born and raised in New York city. Clearly, we need to vet our immigrants from the north better. |
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Posted: 6/19/2016 5:05:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You ever give a spatula and strainer with a bunch of potatoes to a retard and tell him he's a good chef? That's what we're doing with Pat Toomey. We're all proud he's a politician, but really, we just let him pretend he's doing something. Meanwhile, former Mexican colony Texas has this piece of shit: https://regularrightguy.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/clown.png?w=547 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Any "nation" that is embarrassed by Texas needs to rethink some things. Obviously you would be better off without us. To be fair, Cornyn is mildly retarded while Pat Toomey is a flaming fucktard. You ever give a spatula and strainer with a bunch of potatoes to a retard and tell him he's a good chef? That's what we're doing with Pat Toomey. We're all proud he's a politician, but really, we just let him pretend he's doing something. Meanwhile, former Mexican colony Texas has this piece of shit: https://regularrightguy.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/clown.png?w=547 |
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Posted: 6/19/2016 5:06:56 PM EDT
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I'm sold. Let's do it!
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Posted: 6/19/2016 5:07:59 PM EDT
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Lighten up Francis, we could isolate a few ass clowns from PA. Trying to stay classy. Don't know what your deal is with Texas, but my solutions is stay in PA with the hex sign over your garage. You will be fine. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Any "nation" that is embarrassed by Texas needs to rethink some things. Obviously you would be better off without us. To be fair, Cornyn is mildly retarded while Pat Toomey is a flaming fucktard. You ever give a spatula and strainer with a bunch of potatoes to a retard and tell him he's a good chef? That's what we're doing with Pat Toomey. We're all proud he's a politician, but really, we just let him pretend he's doing something. Meanwhile, former Mexican colony Texas has this piece of shit: https://regularrightguy.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/clown.png?w=547 Dude man, Hex signs don't keep the NJ/NY trash from moving in. That's a superstition. |
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Posted: 6/19/2016 5:08:31 PM EDT
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What would these freedom loving Texans do with the resistance in the Democratic ran major cities? Round them up and put them in camps? Would the freedom loving Texans do with the illegal aliens they've lowed to slither in here? What about NASA and military bases owned by the federal goverent? Would they just seize them?
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Posted: 6/19/2016 5:11:45 PM EDT
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How about a Ruxit?
Rural Exit. Every blue county that is contiguous to at least one other blue county gets left behind. 
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Posted: 6/19/2016 5:11:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dude man, Hex signs don't keep the NJ/NY trash from moving in. That's a superstition. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lighten up Francis, we could isolate a few ass clowns from PA. Trying to stay classy. Don't know what your deal is with Texas, but my solutions is stay in PA with the hex sign over your garage. You will be fine. Dude man, Hex signs don't keep the NJ/NY trash from moving in. That's a superstition.  |
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Posted: 6/19/2016 5:12:08 PM EDT
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You ever give a spatula and strainer with a bunch of potatoes to a retard and tell him he's a good chef? That's what we're doing with Pat Toomey. We're all proud he's a politician, but really, we just let him pretend he's doing something. Meanwhile, former Mexican colony Texas has this piece of shit: https://regularrightguy.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/clown.png?w=547 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Any "nation" that is embarrassed by Texas needs to rethink some things. Obviously you would be better off without us. To be fair, Cornyn is mildly retarded while Pat Toomey is a flaming fucktard. You ever give a spatula and strainer with a bunch of potatoes to a retard and tell him he's a good chef? That's what we're doing with Pat Toomey. We're all proud he's a politician, but really, we just let him pretend he's doing something. Meanwhile, former Mexican colony Texas has this piece of shit: https://regularrightguy.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/clown.png?w=547 Oh snap 
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Posted: 6/19/2016 5:13:07 PM EDT
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Any "nation" that is embarrassed by Texas needs to rethink some things. Obviously you would be better off without us. To be fair, Cornyn is mildly retarded while Pat Toomey is a flaming fucktard. You ever give a spatula and strainer with a bunch of potatoes to a retard and tell him he's a good chef? That's what we're doing with Pat Toomey. We're all proud he's a politician, but really, we just let him pretend he's doing something. Meanwhile, former Mexican colony Texas has this piece of shit: https://regularrightguy.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/clown.png?w=547 Born and raised in New York city. Clearly, we need to vet our immigrants from the north better. Will you allow heavily-armed Yank immigrants in after you secede? I'll bring my own ammo! See, I got a job up here now, and Mom is getting on in years and all...
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Posted: 6/19/2016 5:13:45 PM EDT
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Pantex, located outside Amarillo TX, is the only factory where US nuclear weapons are serviced and maintained.
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Posted: 6/19/2016 5:17:12 PM EDT
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Will you allow heavily-armed Yank immigrants in after you secede? I'll bring my own ammo! See, I got a job up here now, and Mom is getting on in years and all... We're going to set up a camp in downtown Austin for new arrivals, just to make sure you aren't faking. If you can go 2 weeks without revealing yourself as a flaming communist surrounded by Moscow-on-Colorado, you're in. |
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Posted: 6/19/2016 5:21:17 PM EDT
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For that to happen, Texas would have to be able to function as an autonomous entity. If ever there were to be a Balkanization, it would have to be groups of states. Overland tariffs. Ports. Refinerys. |
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Posted: 6/19/2016 5:22:13 PM EDT
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We're going to set up a camp in downtown Austin for new arrivals, just to make sure you aren't faking. If you can go 2 weeks without revealing yourself as a flaming communist surrounded by Moscow-on-Colorado, you're in. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Will you allow heavily-armed Yank immigrants in after you secede? I'll bring my own ammo! See, I got a job up here now, and Mom is getting on in years and all... We're going to set up a camp in downtown Austin for new arrivals, just to make sure you aren't faking. If you can go 2 weeks without revealing yourself as a flaming communist surrounded by Moscow-on-Colorado, you're in.  Score! Can I bust a few hippies' heads? Round of trapshooting good enough, or do I have to go the full-on Appleseed route?
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Posted: 6/19/2016 5:29:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We're going to set up a camp in downtown Austin for new arrivals, just to make sure you aren't faking. If you can go 2 weeks without revealing yourself as a flaming communist surrounded by Moscow-on-Colorado, you're in. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Will you allow heavily-armed Yank immigrants in after you secede? I'll bring my own ammo! See, I got a job up here now, and Mom is getting on in years and all... We're going to set up a camp in downtown Austin for new arrivals, just to make sure you aren't faking. If you can go 2 weeks without revealing yourself as a flaming communist surrounded by Moscow-on-Colorado, you're in. I'm not thrilled about having to spend two weeks in Austin, but I'm in. |
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Posted: 6/19/2016 5:34:39 PM EDT
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Oklahoma would take Texas with it. Mainly because we need some ports in the gulf.
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