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Posted: 6/2/2008 6:43:05 PM EST
...that were solely there to establish legal residency?

I'm talking if you're a US citizen, you go right through. They aren't searching anyone. They aren't running you for warrants. They aren't doing anything but checking to make sure you're in this country legally, and the instant that's established, you're on your way. If you don't have ID, they go out of their way to check anything... match a thumbprint to state ID records (and nothing else), ask for a name and Social and any other info merely to verify who you are (take no records), etc. Anyone who doesn't check out goes to "secondary" where they're either proved to be an illegal and immediately deported, or if there's real doubt, they do whatever they need to do to resolve the issue.

So... we clean out every illegal from the country, but to do it we all have to show our papers. What say ye?
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 6:43:56 PM EST
fuck no
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 6:44:48 PM EST
Eh, why not?
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 6:44:53 PM EST
No.

There are other ways on doing this than fucking with people.

A police state is never acceptable.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 6:45:29 PM EST
Fuck that shit......
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 6:45:29 PM EST
The less government intrusion, the better our lives.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 6:45:43 PM EST
I hear 'checkpoints' and the answer is automatically


NO.

If the answer to your question involves pissing on the constitution, its the wrong answer.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 6:45:48 PM EST
No. Target illegals at the border, the workplace, and when they try to collect from the various social services (schools and the innumerable socialist programs this nation wastes money on). Not in the street.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 6:45:58 PM EST
That'd be a traffic jam from hell.

No.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 6:46:08 PM EST
NO, NO, NO and did I mention FUCK NO
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 6:46:11 PM EST
No.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 6:46:22 PM EST
no. they do that shit coming out of here (Del Rio-- on the border) and it's a joke. it would be a massive waste of time, energy, resources and money. best way to get rid of the illegal problem is to go after those who employ and house them knowingly. make someone have to PROVE citizenship in order to hold a job or to rent an apartment. employers found to be employing illegals face a felony and a massive fine. They would FLEE back across the border.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 6:47:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By 068:
Eh, why not?


+1
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 6:47:08 PM EST

Originally Posted By Kylaer_:
No. Target illegals at the border, the workplace, and when they try to collect from the various social services (schools and the innumerable socialist programs this nation wastes money on). Not in the street.



This.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 6:47:35 PM EST
no more than I'd give up my guns for the promise of reduced crime. . .

The government can't be trusted not to abuse and expand such an activity.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 6:47:43 PM EST
no.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 6:48:01 PM EST
Checkpoints are bullshit. Too much potential for abuse.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 6:48:09 PM EST
fuck no.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 6:48:47 PM EST
Checkpoints should be banned nationwide. They did that shit in Nazi Germany, we all know what comes next.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 6:48:51 PM EST
Let me see your papers, Comrade
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 6:49:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By Rosenrot:
Checkpoints should be banned nationwide. They did that shit in Nazi Germany, we all know what comes next.


Internet polls.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 6:49:05 PM EST
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 6:49:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By Jonny712:

Originally Posted By 068:
Eh, why not?


+1


GTFO my country.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 6:51:19 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/2/2008 6:52:11 PM EST by Frost7]
No police states!

Fix our shit immigration system, and get serious about enforcing the border. Checkpoints, national ID cards, and all that are bullshit band-aids at best, and well past jumping down the slippery slope at worst.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 6:51:30 PM EST

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
That's the problem - people want the government to "deport 'em all", but the only way to do it is to create some aspects of a police state, where everyone has to carry and product govt. identification on demand.



I want the national boundaries of this nation to be enforced and when people are picked up or arrested on other primary charges and their presence in America is discovered during the investigation of the aforementioned primary offenses to be illegal should they be deported after serving some time in prison for whatever criminal convictions they're given.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 6:51:41 PM EST
no way... we have many steps we can take without violating the privacy of the citizens of this country. it starts at the border which no one seems committed to defend to the extent necessary

-Mike
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 6:51:46 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/2/2008 6:52:27 PM EST by 068]

Originally Posted By badfish274:

Originally Posted By Jonny712:

Originally Posted By 068:
Eh, why not?


+1


GTFO my country.


Funny, you say checkpoints would violate your freedom, yet if I don't agree with you I shouldn't be allowed to live in "your" country.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 6:53:02 PM EST

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
That's the problem - people want the government to "deport 'em all", but the only way to do it is to create some aspects of a police state, where everyone has to carry and product govt. identification on demand.



Negative.

Deny them jobs. I don't mind producing ID to get a job. I'm not in love with doing it at every street corner.

Punish people and businesses who give them jobs off the books. Punish people and businesses that provide them with housing.

Make it completely infeasible for them to exist here without turning to crime to do it. (And getting their asses caught after a fashion.)
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 6:53:16 PM EST

Originally Posted By 068:

Originally Posted By badfish274:

Originally Posted By Jonny712:

Originally Posted By 068:
Eh, why not?


+1


GTFO my country.


Funny, you say checkpoints would violate your freedom, yet if I don't agree with you I shouldn't be allowed to live in "your" country.


I wouldn't use the state to enforce what I think you should do.

Merely my opinion. Attitudes like that have no business in a free society.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 6:53:17 PM EST
Go here first:

Link Posted: 6/2/2008 6:53:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By mattimeo:
No.

There are other ways on doing this than fucking with people.

A police state is never acceptable.


+1

Go after them at work (raids), stop them at the actual borders, deport any that get stopped in normal traffic stops or caught breaking any laws etc.

Setting up paper-checking checkpoints is not acceptable to me.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 6:54:12 PM EST

Originally Posted By PFC-Demon:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
That's the problem - people want the government to "deport 'em all", but the only way to do it is to create some aspects of a police state, where everyone has to carry and product govt. identification on demand.



I want the national boundaries of this nation to be enforced and when people are picked up or arrested on other primary charges and their presence in America is discovered during the investigation of the aforementioned primary offenses to be illegal should they be deported after serving some time in prison for whatever criminal convictions they're given.


That seems acceptable. But the part in red would only be sweetened if the their Government pays for it.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 6:54:26 PM EST
I am among the most staunchly against illegal aliens, but this goes too far.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 6:57:57 PM EST

Originally Posted By AngeredKabar:

Originally Posted By PFC-Demon:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
That's the problem - people want the government to "deport 'em all", but the only way to do it is to create some aspects of a police state, where everyone has to carry and product govt. identification on demand.



I want the national boundaries of this nation to be enforced and when people are picked up or arrested on other primary charges and their presence in America is discovered during the investigation of the aforementioned primary offenses to be illegal should they be deported after serving some time in prison for whatever criminal convictions they're given.


That seems acceptable. But the part in red would only be sweetened if the their Government pays for it.


I was thinking that non-citizens should be housed in special prisons
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 6:58:02 PM EST

Originally Posted By 068:

Originally Posted By badfish274:

Originally Posted By Jonny712:

Originally Posted By 068:
Eh, why not?


+1


GTFO my country.


Funny, you say checkpoints would violate your freedom, yet if I don't agree with you I shouldn't be allowed to live in "your" country.


Correct.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 6:59:09 PM EST

Originally Posted By AngeredKabar:

Originally Posted By PFC-Demon:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
That's the problem - people want the government to "deport 'em all", but the only way to do it is to create some aspects of a police state, where everyone has to carry and product govt. identification on demand.



I want the national boundaries of this nation to be enforced and when people are picked up or arrested on other primary charges and their presence in America is discovered during the investigation of the aforementioned primary offenses to be illegal should they be deported after serving some time in prison for whatever criminal convictions they're given.


That seems acceptable. But the part in red would only be sweetened if the their Government pays for it.


They should pay for it themselves, as should every other prisoner in this country.

They can do hard labor, and earn their prison stay.

Don't want to work? That's fine. You can stay outside without shelter, food, water, or the other benefits that come from contributing. If your fellow inmates want to take pity on you and share, I wouldn't deny them the opportunity. But each man must be made to earn what he is given by the prison.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 6:59:46 PM EST

Originally Posted By Rosenrot:

Originally Posted By 068:

Originally Posted By badfish274:

Originally Posted By Jonny712:

Originally Posted By 068:
Eh, why not?


+1


GTFO my country.


Funny, you say checkpoints would violate your freedom, yet if I don't agree with you I shouldn't be allowed to live in "your" country.


Correct.


+1
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 7:00:21 PM EST
More government is never the answer.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 7:00:44 PM EST
Of course. No different than the checkpoints we have now, only difference is we could actually go after the illegals instead of just letting them go.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 7:01:10 PM EST
Hell no.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 7:03:18 PM EST


NO!

Its called mission creep, look it up.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 7:03:36 PM EST

Originally Posted By mattimeo:
No.

There are other ways on doing this than fucking with people.

A police state is never acceptable.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 8:38:29 PM EST
no.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 8:42:04 PM EST
I think it is a bad idea. Do you really want to give the government more power even if it makes it easier to find illegal immigrants? If the government really wanted to do something about it they would of built fences or make it tougher for employers to hire illegal immigrants (fines).
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 8:42:32 PM EST

Originally Posted By rykn0w:
fuck no


HELL DOUBLE FUCK NO.

Racial profiling would be much easier and more efficient.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 10:29:13 PM EST
No, because "just checking for your citizenship status" would NEVER EVER be all they were doing.

Cue pic of Gestapo agents: "Papien, bitte"
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 10:35:31 PM EST

Originally Posted By rykn0w:
fuck no
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 10:35:32 PM EST
NO.

Had my mind up before I even read the first post. I don't support .gov inconveniencing citizens/legal residents indiscriminately for any reason. I don't want to get stuck in line at an immigration checkpoint any more than I want to get stuck in line at a DUI checkpoint, which is to say "not at all, ever"
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 10:36:04 PM EST
All aboard the FAIL thread, chooooo choooo!!
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 10:36:22 PM EST
Mandatory and Government almost always equals fail.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 11:03:43 PM EST
I believe that's called "throwing out the baby with the bath water".
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