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Posted: 6/2/2008 7:43:05 PM EDT

...that were solely there to establish legal residency?

I'm talking if you're a US citizen, you go right through. They aren't searching anyone. They aren't running you for warrants. They aren't doing anything but checking to make sure you're in this country legally, and the instant that's established, you're on your way. If you don't have ID, they go out of their way to check anything... match a thumbprint to state ID records (and nothing else), ask for a name and Social and any other info merely to verify who you are (take no records), etc. Anyone who doesn't check out goes to "secondary" where they're either proved to be an illegal and immediately deported, or if there's real doubt, they do whatever they need to do to resolve the issue.

So... we clean out every illegal from the country, but to do it we all have to show our papers. What say ye?

Posted: 6/2/2008 7:43:56 PM EDT

[#1]

fuck no

Posted: 6/2/2008 7:44:48 PM EDT

[#2]

Eh, why not?

Posted: 6/2/2008 7:44:53 PM EDT

[#3]

No.

There are other ways on doing this than fucking with people.

A police state is never acceptable.

Posted: 6/2/2008 7:45:29 PM EDT

[#4]

Fuck that shit......

Posted: 6/2/2008 7:45:29 PM EDT

[#5]

The less government intrusion, the better our lives.

Posted: 6/2/2008 7:45:43 PM EDT

[#6]

I hear 'checkpoints' and the answer is automatically

NO.

If the answer to your question involves pissing on the constitution, its the wrong answer.

Posted: 6/2/2008 7:45:48 PM EDT

[#7]

No. Target illegals at the border, the workplace, and when they try to collect from the various social services (schools and the innumerable socialist programs this nation wastes money on). Not in the street.

Posted: 6/2/2008 7:45:58 PM EDT

[#8]

That'd be a traffic jam from hell.

No.

Posted: 6/2/2008 7:46:08 PM EDT

[#9]

NO, NO, NO and did I mention FUCK NO

Posted: 6/2/2008 7:46:11 PM EDT

[#10]

No.

Posted: 6/2/2008 7:46:22 PM EDT

[#11]

no. they do that shit coming out of here (Del Rio-- on the border) and it's a joke. it would be a massive waste of time, energy, resources and money. best way to get rid of the illegal problem is to go after those who employ and house them knowingly. make someone have to PROVE citizenship in order to hold a job or to rent an apartment. employers found to be employing illegals face a felony and a massive fine. They would FLEE back across the border.

Posted: 6/2/2008 7:47:01 PM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
Eh, why not?

+1

Posted: 6/2/2008 7:47:08 PM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:
No. Target illegals at the border, the workplace, and when they try to collect from the various social services (schools and the innumerable socialist programs this nation wastes money on). Not in the street.

This.

Posted: 6/2/2008 7:47:35 PM EDT

[#14]

no more than I'd give up my guns for the promise of reduced crime. . .

The government can't be trusted not to abuse and expand such an activity.

Posted: 6/2/2008 7:47:43 PM EDT

[#15]

no.

Posted: 6/2/2008 7:48:01 PM EDT

[#16]

Checkpoints are bullshit. Too much potential for abuse.

Posted: 6/2/2008 7:48:09 PM EDT

[#17]

fuck no.

Posted: 6/2/2008 7:48:47 PM EDT

[#18]

Checkpoints should be banned nationwide. They did that shit in Nazi Germany, we all know what comes next.

Posted: 6/2/2008 7:48:51 PM EDT

[#19]

Let me see your papers, Comrade

Posted: 6/2/2008 7:49:05 PM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:
Checkpoints should be banned nationwide. They did that shit in Nazi Germany, we all know what comes next.

Internet polls.

Posted: 6/2/2008 7:49:05 PM EDT

[#21]

That's the problem - people want the government to "deport 'em all", but the only way to do it is to create some aspects of a police state, where everyone has to carry and product govt. identification on demand.

Posted: 6/2/2008 7:49:38 PM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Eh, why not?

+1

GTFO my country.

Posted: 6/2/2008 7:51:19 PM EDT

[#23]

No police states!

Fix our shit immigration system, and get serious about enforcing the border. Checkpoints, national ID cards, and all that are bullshit band-aids at best, and well past jumping down the slippery slope at worst.

Posted: 6/2/2008 7:51:30 PM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:
That's the problem - people want the government to "deport 'em all", but the only way to do it is to create some aspects of a police state, where everyone has to carry and product govt. identification on demand.

I want the national boundaries of this nation to be enforced and when people are picked up or arrested on other primary charges and their presence in America is discovered during the investigation of the aforementioned primary offenses to be illegal should they be deported after serving some time in prison for whatever criminal convictions they're given.

Posted: 6/2/2008 7:51:41 PM EDT

[#25]

no way... we have many steps we can take without violating the privacy of the citizens of this country. it starts at the border which no one seems committed to defend to the extent necessary

-Mike

Posted: 6/2/2008 7:51:46 PM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Eh, why not?

+1

GTFO my country.

Funny, you say checkpoints would violate your freedom, yet if I don't agree with you I shouldn't be allowed to live in "your" country.

Posted: 6/2/2008 7:53:02 PM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:
That's the problem - people want the government to "deport 'em all", but the only way to do it is to create some aspects of a police state, where everyone has to carry and product govt. identification on demand.

Negative.

Deny them jobs. I don't mind producing ID to get a job. I'm not in love with doing it at every street corner.

Punish people and businesses who give them jobs off the books. Punish people and businesses that provide them with housing.

Make it completely infeasible for them to exist here without turning to crime to do it. (And getting their asses caught after a fashion.)

Posted: 6/2/2008 7:53:16 PM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Eh, why not?

+1

GTFO my country.

Funny, you say checkpoints would violate your freedom, yet if I don't agree with you I shouldn't be allowed to live in "your" country.

I wouldn't use the state to enforce what I think you should do.

Merely my opinion. Attitudes like that have no business in a free society.

Posted: 6/2/2008 7:53:17 PM EDT

[#29]

Go here first:

Posted: 6/2/2008 7:53:27 PM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:
No.

There are other ways on doing this than fucking with people.

A police state is never acceptable.

+1

Go after them at work (raids), stop them at the actual borders, deport any that get stopped in normal traffic stops or caught breaking any laws etc.

Setting up paper-checking checkpoints is not acceptable to me.

Posted: 6/2/2008 7:54:12 PM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:

Quoted:
That's the problem - people want the government to "deport 'em all", but the only way to do it is to create some aspects of a police state, where everyone has to carry and product govt. identification on demand.

I want the national boundaries of this nation to be enforced and when people are picked up or arrested on other primary charges and their presence in America is discovered during the investigation of the aforementioned primary offenses to be illegal should they be deported after serving some time in prison for whatever criminal convictions they're given.

That seems acceptable. But the part in red would only be sweetened if the their Government pays for it.

Posted: 6/2/2008 7:54:26 PM EDT

[#32]

I am among the most staunchly against illegal aliens, but this goes too far.

Posted: 6/2/2008 7:57:57 PM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:

Quoted:
That's the problem - people want the government to "deport 'em all", but the only way to do it is to create some aspects of a police state, where everyone has to carry and product govt. identification on demand.

I want the national boundaries of this nation to be enforced and when people are picked up or arrested on other primary charges and their presence in America is discovered during the investigation of the aforementioned primary offenses to be illegal should they be deported after serving some time in prison for whatever criminal convictions they're given.

That seems acceptable. But the part in red would only be sweetened if the their Government pays for it.

I was thinking that non-citizens should be housed in special prisons

Posted: 6/2/2008 7:58:02 PM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Eh, why not?

+1

GTFO my country.

Funny, you say checkpoints would violate your freedom, yet if I don't agree with you I shouldn't be allowed to live in "your" country.

Correct.

Posted: 6/2/2008 7:59:09 PM EDT

[#35]

Quoted:

Quoted:
That's the problem - people want the government to "deport 'em all", but the only way to do it is to create some aspects of a police state, where everyone has to carry and product govt. identification on demand.

I want the national boundaries of this nation to be enforced and when people are picked up or arrested on other primary charges and their presence in America is discovered during the investigation of the aforementioned primary offenses to be illegal should they be deported after serving some time in prison for whatever criminal convictions they're given.

That seems acceptable. But the part in red would only be sweetened if the their Government pays for it.

They should pay for it themselves, as should every other prisoner in this country.

They can do hard labor, and earn their prison stay.

Don't want to work? That's fine. You can stay outside without shelter, food, water, or the other benefits that come from contributing. If your fellow inmates want to take pity on you and share, I wouldn't deny them the opportunity. But each man must be made to earn what he is given by the prison.