When did Obi Won Kenobi become Ben?

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Posted: 1/31/2006 9:20:26 AM EDT

IIRC he was never referred to as Ben Kenobi in the first three episodes. Was this his (or shoudl I say George Lucas') lame attempt at changing his name to hide from the Empire?

Empire [on the phone]: Is this Obi Won Kenobi?
Obi: Uh, who's calling?
Empire: This is the Galactic Empire, we are trying to find Obi Won Kenobi because Darth vader wishes to kill him.
Obi: Nope, sorry... this is... uhhhh. BEN, yes Ben Kenobi... no relation.
Empire: Alrighty, well, sorry for the mix-up.

Posted: 1/31/2006 10:16:11 AM EDT

[#1]

Uh, when he went into hiding?

Posted: 1/31/2006 10:25:06 AM EDT

[#2]

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Uh, when he went into hiding?

So I take it a long time ago in a galaxy far far away Kenobi is as common as Jones or Smith and that's why he didn't bother changing his last name too?

Posted: 1/31/2006 10:26:05 AM EDT

[#3]

Empire [on the phone]: Is this Obi Won Kenobi?
Obi: Uh, who's calling?
Empire: This is the Galactic Empire, we are trying to find Obi Won Kenobi because Darth vader wishes to kill him.
Obi: Nope, sorry... this is... uhhhh. BEN, yes Ben Kenobi... no relation.
Empire: Alrighty, well, sorry for the mix-up.

Posted: 1/31/2006 10:26:19 AM EDT

[#4]

when he went underground after lopping off Anakin's remaining extremities. Apparently Bin Laden is a Star Wars fan, he's trying the same formula: find cave to hide out in in the middle of a mountainous remote desert filled with sand people and armed midgets in brown robes...

Posted: 1/31/2006 10:37:48 AM EDT

[#5]

I just think "Old Ben" was a transmogrification of "Obi Wan."

Posted: 1/31/2006 10:41:47 AM EDT

[#6]

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Uh, when he went into hiding?

So I take it a long time ago in a galaxy far far away Kenobi is as common as Jones or Smith and that's why he didn't bother changing his last name too?

If he had changed his name to Juan Valdez then Luke would never have connected the dots that R2D2 was looking for him.

Posted: 1/31/2006 10:46:29 AM EDT

[#7]

It was a social thing, really. Thursday nights at the Cantina was 25 cent drafts. He simply wanted to fit in with all the Tusken Raiders, who had names like Earl, Ted, Roger, and Fred. You guys are so behind the

.

Posted: 1/31/2006 10:48:02 AM EDT

[#8]

Here's a better question for you. At the end of Episode 3 Kenobi was in his early thirties and Luke was just born. In Episode 4 Luke is 18 or 20 and Kenobi is 65-70. So how did Obi-Wan age 30-35 in only 18 to 20 years?

Posted: 1/31/2006 10:54:14 AM EDT

[#9]

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Here's a better question for you. At the end of Episode 3 Kenobi was in his early thirties and Luke was just born. In Episode 4 Luke is 18 or 20 and Kenobi is 65-70. So how did Obi-Wan age 30-35 in only 18 to 20 years?

Tattioine Hookers and Tuskan Blow, obviously

Posted: 1/31/2006 11:00:57 AM EDT

[#10]

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Here's a better question for you. At the end of Episode 3 Kenobi was in his early thirties and Luke was just born. In Episode 4 Luke is 18 or 20 and Kenobi is 65-70. So how did Obi-Wan age 30-35 in only 18 to 20 years?

Tattioine Hookers and Tuskan Blow, obviously

Deathsticks are a hell of a drug.

Posted: 1/31/2006 12:09:24 PM EDT

[#11]

www.starwars.com/databank/character/obiwankenobi/

As the Jedi's ranks were wiped out by the machinations of the emergent Empire, Obi-Wan went into hiding on Tatooine. He would stay there for decades, adopting the name of Ben.

Posted: 1/31/2006 10:18:19 PM EDT

[#12]

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Here's a better question for you. At the end of Episode 3 Kenobi was in his early thirties and Luke was just born. In Episode 4 Luke is 18 or 20 and Kenobi is 65-70. So how did Obi-Wan age 30-35 in only 18 to 20 years?

He was in his 40s, or is supposed to be.

Posted: 2/1/2006 5:53:08 AM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:
IIRC he was never referred to as Ben Kenobi in the first three episodes. Was this his (or shoudl I say George Lucas') lame attempt at changing his name to hide from the Empire?

Empire [on the phone]: Is this Obi Won Kenobi?
Obi: Uh, who's calling?
Empire: This is the Galactic Empire, we are trying to find Obi Won Kenobi because Darth vader wishes to kill him.
Obi: Nope, sorry... this is... uhhhh. BEN, yes Ben Kenobi... no relation.
Empire: Alrighty, well, sorry for the mix-up.

What, no Jedi mind trick?

Posted: 2/2/2006 1:39:55 PM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:
Here's a better question for you. At the end of Episode 3 Kenobi was in his early thirties and Luke was just born. In Episode 4 Luke is 18 or 20 and Kenobi is 65-70. So how did Obi-Wan age 30-35 in only 18 to 20 years?

ITs not the years, its the miles.

Posted: 2/3/2006 12:28:23 AM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:
Quoted:
IIRC he was never referred to as Ben Kenobi in the first three episodes. Was this his (or shoudl I say George Lucas') lame attempt at changing his name to hide from the Empire?

Empire [on the phone]: Is this Obi Won Kenobi?
Obi: Uh, who's calling?
Empire: This is the Galactic Empire, we are trying to find Obi Won Kenobi because Darth vader wishes to kill him.
Obi: Nope, sorry... this is... uhhhh. BEN, yes Ben Kenobi... no relation.
Empire: Alrighty, well, sorry for the mix-up.

What, no Jedi mind trick?

"These aren't the Kenobis you're looking for"
/waves hand

Posted: 2/3/2006 5:30:03 AM EDT

[#16]

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Here's a better question for you. At the end of Episode 3 Kenobi was in his early thirties and Luke was just born. In Episode 4 Luke is 18 or 20 and Kenobi is 65-70. So how did Obi-Wan age 30-35 in only 18 to 20 years?

ITs not the years, its the miles.

I guess a long time ago in a galaxy far far away men age like Korean women.

Posted: 2/3/2006 6:14:18 AM EDT

[#17]

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Here's a better question for you. At the end of Episode 3 Kenobi was in his early thirties and Luke was just born. In Episode 4 Luke is 18 or 20 and Kenobi is 65-70. So how did Obi-Wan age 30-35 in only 18 to 20 years?

ITs not the years, its the miles.

I guess a long time ago in a galaxy far far away men age like Korean women.

Or it could be that he was in his late forties in Episode III, not 30 like some have suggested.

Posted: 2/3/2006 6:59:45 AM EDT

[#18]

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Or it could be that he was in his late forties in Episode III, not 30 like some have suggested.

I like my theory better.

Posted: 2/3/2006 7:04:20 AM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:
IIRC he was never referred to as Ben Kenobi in the first three episodes. Was this his (or shoudl I say George Lucas') lame attempt at changing his name to hide from the Empire?

IV, V and VI?

Posted: 2/3/2006 7:39:44 AM EDT

[#20]

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Here's a better question for you. At the end of Episode 3 Kenobi was in his early thirties and Luke was just born. In Episode 4 Luke is 18 or 20 and Kenobi is 65-70. So how did Obi-Wan age 30-35 in only 18 to 20 years?

ITs not the years, its the miles.

I guess a long time ago in a galaxy far far away men age like Korean women.

Or it could be that he was in his late forties in Episode III, not 30 like some have suggested.

Or it could be that like most of my students, most 15-20 somethings here have no idea what someone in their 30's 40's or 50's looks like.

30 is fricken ancient to them. You go live in a cave for a while and see how you look after 20yrs.

In IV, Ben looks to be in his mid 50s, maybe a little younger. It fits with the story.

Posted: 2/3/2006 7:45:16 AM EDT

[#21]

If in Episode I, Anakin is 5-6, and Obi-Wan is just getting ready to become a Jedi Knight, then that would probably make him at least Mid-20's.

So, 15 years later, when Anakin is old enough to become a Jedi himself, Obi-Wan would be in his 40's.

And 20 years later, when Anakin's son is old enough to be a Jedi, Obi-Wan would be in his 60's.

Makes sense....

Posted: 2/3/2006 8:10:00 AM EDT

[#22]

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IIRC he was never referred to as Ben Kenobi in the first three episodes. Was this his (or shoudl I say George Lucas') lame attempt at changing his name to hide from the Empire?

IV, V and VI?

You answered your own question. Episodes, not movies.

Posted: 2/3/2006 9:42:06 AM EDT

[#23]

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IIRC he was never referred to as Ben Kenobi in the first three episodes. Was this his (or shoudl I say George Lucas') lame attempt at changing his name to hide from the Empire?

IV, V and VI?

You answered your own question. Episodes, not movies.

The first episode released was IV, Star Wars.

My only reason for asking is that Luke refers to him as Old Ben Kenobi in the FIRST EPISODE RELEASED.

Posted: 2/3/2006 9:58:50 AM EDT

[#24]

When Luke's uncle referred to Obi-Wan as old Ben Kenobi, uncle already knew who Obi-Wan was. He just tried to cover it up to protect Luke from truth about his father and all that other bullshit.

Posted: 2/3/2006 2:18:52 PM EDT

[#25]

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The first episode released was IV, Star Wars.
My only reason for asking is that Luke refers to him as Old Ben Kenobi in the FIRST EPISODE RELEASED.

Hey... don't get sassy mister sassy pants. When I said first episode I meant chronologically first in the Star Wars time line, not the release time line. I knew he was referred to in the "original" movies (IV, V, VI), but I don't remember anyone ever calling him Ben in I, II, or III.

Posted: 2/3/2006 3:32:16 PM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:
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The first episode released was IV, Star Wars.
My only reason for asking is that Luke refers to him as Old Ben Kenobi in the FIRST EPISODE RELEASED.

Hey... don't get sassy mister sassy pants. When I said first episode I meant chronologically first in the Star Wars time line, not the release time line. I knew he was referred to in the "original" movies (IV, V, VI), but I don't remember anyone ever calling him Ben in I, II, or III.

That was why I was asking for clarification.

Posted: 2/4/2006 9:41:13 AM EDT

[#27]

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Here's a better question for you. At the end of Episode 3 Kenobi was in his early thirties and Luke was just born. In Episode 4 Luke is 18 or 20 and Kenobi is 65-70. So how did Obi-Wan age 30-35 in only 18 to 20 years?

ITs not the years, its the miles.

I guess a long time ago in a galaxy far far away men age like Korean women.

Or it could be that he was in his late forties in Episode III, not 30 like some have suggested.

Or it could be that like most of my students, most 15-20 somethings here have no idea what someone in their 30's 40's or 50's looks like. 30 is fricken ancient to them. You go live in a cave for a while and see how you look after 20yrs.

In IV, Ben looks to be in his mid 50s, maybe a little younger. It fits with the story.

With two suns Tatooine is a place where you don't scrimp on sunblock. Ben might just look older because of the harsh enviroment.

Posted: 2/5/2006 11:29:27 AM EDT

[#28]

20 yrs of stress of hiding from the Empire can age someone real quick.

Posted: 2/6/2006 4:05:39 PM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:
Here's a better question for you. At the end of Episode 3 Kenobi was in his early thirties and Luke was just born. In Episode 4 Luke is 18 or 20 and Kenobi is 65-70. So how did Obi-Wan age 30-35 in only 18 to 20 years?

Alec Guiness was 63 in Star Wars
so if the character was supposed to be in his late 50s it's not that far off
I figure Episode 3 obi wan to be around 35-40
so 55-60 in episode 4 isn't far off from the real life age of the actor

Posted: 2/6/2006 4:10:50 PM EDT

[#30]

it was going to be Ben Wah but someone was already using it

Posted: 2/6/2006 4:36:50 PM EDT

[#31]

So how old was Chewbacca then?

Posted: 2/7/2006 11:04:32 AM EDT

[#32]

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So how old was Chewbacca then? hr

My thoughts exactly. Chewie seemed to age much more gracefully.

In the same vein, did anybody notice in Ep 4 the kid version of Guido(sp?) who Han would later blaster under the table as an adult in the employ of Jabba?

Posted: 2/7/2006 11:09:24 AM EDT

[#33]

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So how old was Chewbacca then?

My thoughts exactly. Chewie seemed to age much more gracefully.

In the same vein, did anybody notice in Ep 4 the kid version of Guido(sp?) who Han would later blaster under the table as an adult in the employ of Jabba?

Greedo.

Greedo shot first.

Posted: 2/7/2006 11:21:10 AM EDT

[#34]

I think he shoud have been named Onlyone Canoli

Posted: 2/7/2006 11:35:55 AM EDT

[#35]

When he simultaneously kicked Chuck Norris' and Jack Bauer's ass, a cheerful bystander yelled "Obi-Wan!"

The local tattoine newspaper reporter heard "oh, Ben won (the fight)" And published his name as "Ben Kenobi"

The rest is hisotry.

Posted: 2/7/2006 11:38:09 AM EDT

[#36]

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So how old was Chewbacca then?

My thoughts exactly. Chewie seemed to age much more gracefully.

In the same vein, did anybody notice in Ep 4 the kid version of Guido(sp?) who Han would later blaster under the table as an adult in the employ of Jabba?

Do you mean Anakin's little buddy in Episode I... the one checking out his pod racer? I don't knwo if they said thwt was actually Greedo...

Posted: 2/7/2006 11:47:46 AM EDT

[#37]

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So how old was Chewbacca then? hr

My thoughts exactly. Chewie seemed to age much more gracefully.

In the same vein, did anybody notice in Ep 4 the kid version of Guido(sp?) who Han would later blaster under the table as an adult in the employ of Jabba?

Do you mean Anakin's little buddy in Episode I... the one checking out his pod racer? I don't knwo if they said thwt was actually Greedo...

Yes that is the one. They didn't actually say it but I took it to be him cause they look just alike. I got wrapped up in the whole divergent paths of youth thing. A good playmate gone bad. Um actually two good playmates gone bad.

Posted: 2/7/2006 11:48:56 AM EDT

[#38]

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So how old was Chewbacca then?

My thoughts exactly. Chewie seemed to age much more gracefully.

In the same vein, did anybody notice in Ep 4 the kid version of Guido(sp?) who Han would later blaster under the table as an adult in the employ of Jabba?

Wookies are a much longer lived species, At the time of Episode IV I think he was supposed to be about 200 and barely middle aged.

Gredo was the bounty hunter that Han killed in the bar. He was a Rhodian IIRC and Anakin's friend was just another Rhodian.

Posted: 2/7/2006 4:03:40 PM EDT

[#39]

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So how old was Chewbacca then?

My thoughts exactly. Chewie seemed to age much more gracefully.

In the same vein, did anybody notice in Ep 4 the kid version of Guido(sp?) who Han would later blaster under the table as an adult in the employ of Jabba?

Do you mean Anakin's little buddy in Episode I... the one checking out his pod racer? I don't knwo if they said thwt was actually Greedo...

Greedo's in a deleted scene on the dvd, adn is a different rhodian kid than the one anakin was friends with. he was a punk bully

Posted: 2/7/2006 4:08:43 PM EDT

[#40]

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Here's a better question for you. At the end of Episode 3 Kenobi was in his early thirties and Luke was just born. In Episode 4 Luke is 18 or 20 and Kenobi is 65-70. So how did Obi-Wan age 30-35 in only 18 to 20 years?

Excellent point.

Posted: 2/7/2006 4:36:15 PM EDT

[#41]

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So how old was Chewbacca then?

My thoughts exactly. Chewie seemed to age much more gracefully.

In the same vein, did anybody notice in Ep 4 the kid version of Guido(sp?) who Han would later blaster under the table as an adult in the employ of Jabba?

Greedo.

Greedo shot first.

The hell you say.
Thats only after Lucas fucked it up.
Han shot first. And damn good thing, too.

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