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Posted: 1/21/2015 7:27:07 AM EST
Does it mean that every one has a fair chance to be a doctor? an engineer? a teacher? a cop? no matter their eduction or fitness for the job? should we lower all standards just to be fair? should the government be the one to step in to level the playing field? What does the term A Fair Chance mean?
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 7:29:41 AM EST
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"Fair" is a place cows go to earn ribbons.

Life's not fair. You should hire the most qualified candidates for the job.

Edit-I'm assuming "fair chance" is liberal speak for "The world may need ditch diggers, but standards should be lowered so that people who aren't cut out for (insert job here) should be allowed to do it because it's "fair."
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 7:30:20 AM EST
a significant portion of society confuses fair with equal.....
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 7:31:09 AM EST
Everyone already has a fair chance. Our dear leader is just going to make sure it happens.
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 7:32:19 AM EST
Wealth redistribution
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 7:35:12 AM EST
we have a fair/equal chance at success we do NOT have a fair/equal outcome on Success..

Progressives think this is unjust and will demand everyone sink to the lowest common denominator to insure said Justice..

we're fucked....done, toast, tits up, off the rails, Lawn dart at the jump range..
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 7:35:24 AM EST
It's meaningless.
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 7:35:39 AM EST
"A fair chance" = "Better living through Communism"
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 7:39:43 AM EST
It they would just raise the minimum wage, I could be a doctor.
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 8:04:41 AM EST
What is equal opportunity? How does it enter the mix?
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 8:12:54 AM EST
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Originally Posted By AlvinYork:
What is equal opportunity? How does it enter the mix?
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From what I understand, "equal opportunity" in employment means, for example, you can't refuse to hire someone because they're black, or Irish, or Catholic, or disabled, etc.

However, employers *could* refuse to hire me for any other reason they wanted OUTSIDE of the above(and some others I didn't mention. I think creed/national origin is in there.) An employer could refuse to hire me because I have brown hair. Or wore a green shirt to the interview. He can't refuse to hire me because I'm a male.
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 8:21:53 AM EST
I was born too early. I never excelled in math or science. With fairness parameters about to be mandated I could maybe be a doctor or physicist now. I think it's going to be part of the,"share the wealth," program.
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 8:22:12 AM EST
Then it's only "fair" that the next POTUS comes from the GOP....No need for a election because it's fair and shit.
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 8:25:11 AM EST
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Originally Posted By AlvinYork:
Does it mean that every one has a fair chance to be a doctor? an engineer? a teacher? a cop? no matter their eduction or fitness for the job? should we lower all standards just to be fair? should the government be the one to step in to level the playing field? What does the term A Fair Chance mean?
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It means "I see people with better jobs... but I'm gonna ignore all the effort they put into getting there. I fully expect to just walk into a high paying job without any effort whatsoever. And I'm not above playing the race card or claiming you stole it from me."


Hell all I have to do is look around at work to see examples. Or rather ... NOT see examples, cos people walk out all the time when they realize work is actually WORK. Seriously, my company is cutting about 40 jobs by April and said to not worry cos with the high turnover rate they don't expect to actually fire anyone who WANTS to work.



it's time they stopped trying to "level" the playing field by cutting everyone else down.
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 8:28:17 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Deej86:
"Fair" is a place cows go to earn ribbons.

Life's not fair. You should hire the most qualified candidates for the job.

Edit-I'm assuming "fair chance" is liberal speak for "The world may need ditch diggers, but standards should be lowered so that people who aren't cut out for (insert job here) should be allowed to do it because it's "fair."
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Link Posted: 1/21/2015 8:34:34 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Deej86:
"Fair" is a place cows go to earn ribbons.

Life's not fair. You should hire the most qualified candidates for the job.

Edit-I'm assuming "fair chance" is liberal speak for "The world may need ditch diggers, but standards should be lowered so that people who aren't cut out for (insert job here) should be allowed to do it because it's "fair."
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this is apparently the "new" way of the world, especially here in the U.S.
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 8:44:04 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Whizzinator:
this is apparently the "new" way of the world, especially here in the U.S.
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Originally Posted By Whizzinator:
Originally Posted By Deej86:
"Fair" is a place cows go to earn ribbons.

Life's not fair. You should hire the most qualified candidates for the job.

Edit-I'm assuming "fair chance" is liberal speak for "The world may need ditch diggers, but standards should be lowered so that people who aren't cut out for (insert job here) should be allowed to do it because it's "fair."
this is apparently the "new" way of the world, especially here in the U.S.


a nation of ignorants is far easier to govern than a nation of thinking people, especially thinking people that think Liberty and Freedom
are key ingredients to their lives..hence the dumbing down of our education system the last 100 years.
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 8:45:56 AM EST
Life is inherently unfair because humans are inherently genetically unequal. Some people are simply smarter than others, are better looking, have better memories, are more athletic, etc. and no measure of imposed "fairness" via government legislation will remedy this situation. When I hear leftist use the word "fair" it is just code speak for wealth redistribution and legislation that punishes those more successful than them.
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 8:49:05 AM EST
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Originally Posted By godzillamax:
Life is inherently unfair because humans are inherently genetically unequal. Some people are simply smarter than others, are better looking, have better memories, are more athletic, etc. and no measure of imposed "fairness" via government legislation will remedy this situation. When I hear leftist use the word "fair" it is just code speak for wealth redistribution and legislation that punishes those more successful than them.
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that's the kind of thinking that will get you a cot at the soccer stadium...
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 9:10:37 AM EST
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Fair is when nonsentient AI or edited EMs outcompete the human species and conquer the stars. Unfair is when scumbag socialists force them to divert resources to market parasites like consciousness, nonmarket values, or DNA based organisms.
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Originally Posted By godzillamax:
Life is inherently unfair because humans are inherently genetically unequal. Some people are simply smarter than others, are better looking, have better memories, are more athletic, etc. and no measure of imposed "fairness" via government legislation will remedy this situation. When I hear leftist use the word "fair" it is just code speak for wealth redistribution and legislation that punishes those more successful than them.
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you must be one of those racists we keep hearing about.
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 9:12:22 AM EST
It means "gimme my free shit!!"
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 9:15:24 AM EST
Originally Posted By AlvinYork:
Does it mean that every one has a fair chance to be a doctor? an engineer? a teacher? a cop? no matter their eduction or fitness for the job? should we lower all standards just to be fair? should the government be the one to step in to level the playing field? What does the term A Fair Chance mean?
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It means that people who aren't qualified to do those jobs are going to be in those jobs. Because making people perform to a standard is unfair and holding them back, keeping them down so to speak...
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 9:16:42 AM EST
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Originally Posted By StewartTR:


It means that people who aren't qualified to do those jobs are going to be in those jobs. Because making people perform to a standard is unfair and holding them back, keeping them down so to speak...
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Originally Posted By StewartTR:
Originally Posted By AlvinYork:
Does it mean that every one has a fair chance to be a doctor? an engineer? a teacher? a cop? no matter their eduction or fitness for the job? should we lower all standards just to be fair? should the government be the one to step in to level the playing field? What does the term A Fair Chance mean?


It means that people who aren't qualified to do those jobs are going to be in those jobs. Because making people perform to a standard is unfair and holding them back, keeping them down so to speak...

I guess that's only fair.
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 9:26:44 AM EST
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Originally Posted By rod727:
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This. Fair should mean merit based.

A good example would be getting into Harvard. Student 1 has better grades and test scores that student 2. Student 2 gets in because daddy gave the school a check.
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 9:32:48 AM EST
Everyone should look at the Asian Americans, they are doing just fine without government quotas.
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 9:34:51 AM EST
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Originally Posted By mathyrum:


This. Fair should mean merit based.

A good example would be getting into Harvard. Student 1 has better grades and test scores that student 2. Student 2 gets in because daddy gave the school a check.
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Originally Posted By mathyrum:
Originally Posted By rod727:
a significant portion of society confuses fair with equal.....


This. Fair should mean merit based.

A good example would be getting into Harvard. Student 1 has better grades and test scores that student 2. Student 2 gets in because daddy gave the school a check.


A better example would be the father (the .gov supported by the voting mob) forcing the school to accept both students even though there's a 3rd student that the school wants instead of student 2.
Or just substitute employer/employee in place of school/student.

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Originally Posted By dirtyboy:
Everyone should look at the Asian Americans, they are doing just fine without government quotas.
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Funny you should mention that. There was a thread recently where Intel has a new diversification policy for their company. They want to increase their number of "non Asian minorities"...

So if you in a minority that works hard studies hard and accomplishes goals your not the minority they are looking for...

This PC crap is going to be our downfall!
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 9:38:12 AM EST
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Originally Posted By StewartTR:


Funny you should mention that. There was a thread recently where Intel has a new diversification policy for their company. They want to increase their number of "non Asian minorities"...

So if you in a minority that works hard studies hard and accomplishes goals your not the minority they are looking for...

This PC crap is going to be our downfall!
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Originally Posted By StewartTR:
Originally Posted By dirtyboy:
Everyone should look at the Asian Americans, they are doing just fine without government quotas.


Funny you should mention that. There was a thread recently where Intel has a new diversification policy for their company. They want to increase their number of "non Asian minorities"...

So if you in a minority that works hard studies hard and accomplishes goals your not the minority they are looking for...

This PC crap is going to be our downfall!

Like I said it means "gimme my free shit".
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Originally Posted By douglasmorris99:


that's the kind of thinking that will get you a cot at the soccer stadium...
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Originally Posted By godzillamax:
Life is inherently unfair because humans are inherently genetically unequal. Some people are simply smarter than others, are better looking, have better memories, are more athletic, etc. and no measure of imposed "fairness" via government legislation will remedy this situation. When I hear leftist use the word "fair" it is just code speak for wealth redistribution and legislation that punishes those more successful than them.


that's the kind of thinking that will get you a cot at the soccer stadium...

Better than sleeping on the dirt floor!
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 9:43:03 AM EST
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Originally Posted By AlvinYork:

you must be one of those racists we keep hearing about.
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Originally Posted By AlvinYork:
Originally Posted By godzillamax:
Life is inherently unfair because humans are inherently genetically unequal. Some people are simply smarter than others, are better looking, have better memories, are more athletic, etc. and no measure of imposed "fairness" via government legislation will remedy this situation. When I hear leftist use the word "fair" it is just code speak for wealth redistribution and legislation that punishes those more successful than them.

you must be one of those racists we keep hearing about.

If my thinking is such that I would be defined by society as a racist, then that would be a moniker I would gladly wear!
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Originally Posted By godzillamax:

If my thinking is such that I would be defined by society as a racist, then that would be a moniker I would gladly wear!
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Originally Posted By godzillamax:
Originally Posted By AlvinYork:
Originally Posted By godzillamax:
Life is inherently unfair because humans are inherently genetically unequal. Some people are simply smarter than others, are better looking, have better memories, are more athletic, etc. and no measure of imposed "fairness" via government legislation will remedy this situation. When I hear leftist use the word "fair" it is just code speak for wealth redistribution and legislation that punishes those more successful than them.

you must be one of those racists we keep hearing about.

If my thinking is such that I would be defined by society as a racist, then that would be a moniker I would gladly wear!

Hey, I never considered that, wonder if Ed would allow me to change........
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 9:46:53 AM EST
Fair chance = whatever the hell an elected official says is fair. I'm sure those same words have been uttered out of Castro & Gaddafi numerous times.

It's Marxist-ese for anything but fair. Small price to pay for utopia.
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 9:49:14 AM EST
It’s shithead for un qualified people of color getting preferential treatment over qualified white applicants.
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Originally Posted By Cdog:
It’s shithead for un qualified people of color getting preferential treatment over qualified white applicants.
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Black, brown, or white, I don't care, All I care about is appropriately qualified. Standards are set for a reason, and should not be lowered for PC purposes.
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Originally Posted By rod727:
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Nailed it.

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