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Posted: 4/17/2005 10:35:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/22/2005 2:39:10 PM EDT by Mattl]
My guess would be 7.62x39

followed by Mauser 7.92 or the russian 7.62x54r. Is their anyway to fact check this? 5.56 and 9mm might be off in the distance somewhere, but I got to thinking of this a while ago and thought it would make an interesting discussion,
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 10:36:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/17/2005 10:36:55 AM EDT by DzlBenz]
.22LR

ETA: By a country mile!
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 10:37:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DzlBenz:
.22LR

ETA: By a country mile!



+1
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 10:38:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Redcap:

Originally Posted By DzlBenz:
.22LR

ETA: By a country mile!



+1



+2
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 10:40:16 AM EDT
has to be 762x39 all those crappy countries constantly fighting each other.
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 10:40:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/17/2005 10:41:03 AM EDT by TheRedHorseman]
7.62x39 since there are by far more weapons chambered in that round than any other. and they always pop up in civil wars everywhere.

possibly 7.62x54R as it has been in service since 1891
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 10:41:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DzlBenz:
.22LR

ETA: By a country mile!

.

are you not thinking of the countless lives lost during the big wars?? even the smaller squirmishes
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 10:41:19 AM EDT
What caliber round has never killed anyone?
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 10:42:10 AM EDT
Whatever round that Rifleman dude uses.
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 10:42:19 AM EDT
The round that has killed the most still falls far short of rocks, sticks, spears, swords and arrows.
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 10:43:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DzlBenz:
.22LR

ETA: By a country mile!




OK Mauser and russian standard cartridge has been used in 2 world wars the russian in particular has also been used the world over and is the longest serving round still in use. The AK is proliferated in every 2nd and 3rd world shithole on earth, it is the most common rifle on the planet.
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 10:43:13 AM EDT
I think it would be a toss up between Russian 7.62x54R and Mauser 7.92mm.

There are alot of AK-47's out there in the world, but they were not around for the two world wars.
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 10:43:43 AM EDT
7.62x39mm.

Beyond that, 12-gauge, 7.62 Nagant, 9x19mm/Luger/Parabellum, any .45 cartridge designed by Colt.

Not necessarily in that order.
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 10:43:45 AM EDT
Just a guess here 9mm, simply because it the #1 handgun round [except for the U.S.].
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 10:44:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Roland_O_Gilead:
What caliber round has never killed anyone?



if you mean .50bmg it has killed thousands in combat since WWII. I don't mean just in crime I meant overall.
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 10:44:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Sixgun_Symphony:
I think it would be a toss up between Russian 7.62x54R and Mauser 7.92mm.

There are alot of AK-47's out there in the world, but they were not around for the two world wars.



No, but the round the AK fires was around for at least the second World War, possibly the first.
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 10:45:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:

Originally Posted By Sixgun_Symphony:
I think it would be a toss up between Russian 7.62x54R and Mauser 7.92mm.

There are alot of AK-47's out there in the world, but they were not around for the two world wars.



No, but the round the AK fires was around for at least the second World War, possibly the first.



Link Posted: 4/17/2005 10:46:01 AM EDT
9x19mm would be my best guess. Do a google search and let us know what it says.
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 10:46:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:

Originally Posted By Sixgun_Symphony:
I think it would be a toss up between Russian 7.62x54R and Mauser 7.92mm.

There are alot of AK-47's out there in the world, but they were not around for the two world wars.



No, but the round the AK fires was around for at least the second World War, possibly the first.




Not developed till 1944 never used in WWII combat you are thinking of the Tokarev 7.62x25.
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 10:46:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Roland_O_Gilead:
What caliber round has never killed anyone?



.577 Tyrannosaur, .500 S&W Magnum, and whichever caseless round the G11 used are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head.
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 10:47:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/17/2005 10:48:22 AM EDT by The_Macallan]

Smallpox!

BTW... what difference does it make?
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 10:48:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DzlBenz:
.22LR

ETA: By a country mile!



+1
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 10:48:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/17/2005 10:51:39 AM EDT by DzlBenz]

Originally Posted By AROKIE:

Originally Posted By DzlBenz:
.22LR

ETA: By a country mile!

.

are you not thinking of the countless lives lost during the big wars?? even the smaller squirmishes

Most casualties of war are as a result of bombs and artillery, not gunfire. Of those killed by gunfire, I would expect as many are killed by insurrectionists armed with whatever they can get their hands on as are killed by uniformed troops carrying issued weapons.

ETA:

Not to mention starvation, disease, pestilence and any number of other environmental factors that are second-order effects of war. Pol Pot (may he rot eternally in Hell, the son of a bitch!) killed more people with toil than with rifles.
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 10:48:35 AM EDT
Anybody died from a .45 GAP round yet?
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 10:48:52 AM EDT
.22lr

7.62x39


.45acp


Link Posted: 4/17/2005 10:49:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/17/2005 10:58:24 AM EDT by Swindle1984]

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:

Originally Posted By Sixgun_Symphony:
I think it would be a toss up between Russian 7.62x54R and Mauser 7.92mm.

There are alot of AK-47's out there in the world, but they were not around for the two world wars.



No, but the round the AK fires was around for at least the second World War, possibly the first.




Not developed till 1944 never used in WWII combat you are thinking of the Tokarev 7.62x25.



No, the Tokarev was a pistol round and used in SMG's like the PPSch-41. I'm not going to confuse a pistol round with a rifle round.

I'll do some research.

EDIT: The 7.62x39mm round WAS used in WWII after the Germans began invading Russia.
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 10:49:50 AM EDT
17hmr
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 10:50:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:

Originally Posted By Sixgun_Symphony:
I think it would be a toss up between Russian 7.62x54R and Mauser 7.92mm.

There are alot of AK-47's out there in the world, but they were not around for the two world wars.



No, but the round the AK fires was around for at least the second World War, possibly the first.






I might be wrong, but I didn't think the 7.62x39 was introduced until the AK47 was developed. I thought that was in 1947.
I still think the 7.62x39 would be a likely winner for the most used round in combat worldwide.
Then again, the 30.06 has killed a hell of a lot of enemy troops between the 1903's, the P14, the M1 and the Browning MG's.
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 10:53:46 AM EDT

Originally Posted By sleepercaprice1:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:

Originally Posted By Sixgun_Symphony:
I think it would be a toss up between Russian 7.62x54R and Mauser 7.92mm.

There are alot of AK-47's out there in the world, but they were not around for the two world wars.



No, but the round the AK fires was around for at least the second World War, possibly the first.






I might be wrong, but I didn't think the 7.62x39 was introduced until the AK47 was developed. I thought that was in 1947.
I still think the 7.62x39 would be a likely winner for the most used round in combat worldwide.
Then again, the 30.06 has killed a hell of a lot of enemy troops between the 1903's, the P14, the M1 and the Browning MG's.




Federov Avtomat otherwise known as the SKS.
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 10:57:14 AM EDT




CW
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 10:57:29 AM EDT
IIRC the Maxim M.G. is credited with the title of having killed the most people, it would lead me to believe that the calibers it was chambered in would lead the pact. Think 7.92 and 7.62.
Between the horror on the western front, the carnage of the the eastern front,The Russian revolution,and the maxim's use in WWII and in Korea and into Vietnam.
I will go out on a limb and say it's either 7.92 or 7.62x54R.
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 10:58:14 AM EDT
In the U.S. I'd say .22lr because of the sheer number of .22 guns around in general. Everyone knows someone who has at least a .22 pistol or rifle. My granddad had a .22 rifle in his closet for 50 years, and he wasn't a gun person.
People tend to think the .22 isn't very powerful, and maybe it isn't, but it's still deadly. Therefore they are more apt to "play" with them, and underestimate their capability.
gangbangers carry around those bryco .22's, cheapo .22 revolvers etc.
But on a world scale? I'd say prolly a 7.62mm round of some sort.
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 10:59:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By sleepercaprice1:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:

Originally Posted By Sixgun_Symphony:
I think it would be a toss up between Russian 7.62x54R and Mauser 7.92mm.

There are alot of AK-47's out there in the world, but they were not around for the two world wars.



No, but the round the AK fires was around for at least the second World War, possibly the first.






I might be wrong, but I didn't think the 7.62x39 was introduced until the AK47 was developed. I thought that was in 1947.
I still think the 7.62x39 would be a likely winner for the most used round in combat worldwide.
Then again, the 30.06 has killed a hell of a lot of enemy troops between the 1903's, the P14, the M1 and the Browning MG's.




Federov Avtomat otherwise known as the SKS.



Yup. Like I said when I edited my previous post, 7.62x39mm was used in WWII.
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 11:02:40 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By sleepercaprice1:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:

Originally Posted By Sixgun_Symphony:
I think it would be a toss up between Russian 7.62x54R and Mauser 7.92mm.

There are alot of AK-47's out there in the world, but they were not around for the two world wars.



No, but the round the AK fires was around for at least the second World War, possibly the first.






I might be wrong, but I didn't think the 7.62x39 was introduced until the AK47 was developed. I thought that was in 1947.
I still think the 7.62x39 would be a likely winner for the most used round in combat worldwide.
Then again, the 30.06 has killed a hell of a lot of enemy troops between the 1903's, the P14, the M1 and the Browning MG's.




Federov Avtomat otherwise known as the SKS.



Yup. Like I said when I edited my previous post, 7.62x39mm was used in WWII.




The SKS was used in combat in WWII? I thought it was still in the test phase in 44.
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 11:02:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/17/2005 11:04:43 AM EDT by chrome1]

Originally Posted By Roland_O_Gilead:
What caliber round has never killed anyone?



If I had to guess , I would say 17M2 . Only a fey months old
and tiny

As for the biggest killer . 7.62x39 . The SKS used it before
the AK .
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 11:04:15 AM EDT
Actually, it is .22lr.
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 11:04:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By sleepercaprice1:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:

Originally Posted By Sixgun_Symphony:
I think it would be a toss up between Russian 7.62x54R and Mauser 7.92mm.

There are alot of AK-47's out there in the world, but they were not around for the two world wars.



No, but the round the AK fires was around for at least the second World War, possibly the first.






I might be wrong, but I didn't think the 7.62x39 was introduced until the AK47 was developed. I thought that was in 1947.
I still think the 7.62x39 would be a likely winner for the most used round in combat worldwide.
Then again, the 30.06 has killed a hell of a lot of enemy troops between the 1903's, the P14, the M1 and the Browning MG's.




Federov Avtomat otherwise known as the SKS.



Yup. Like I said when I edited my previous post, 7.62x39mm was used in WWII.




The SKS was used in combat in WWII? I thought it was still in the test phase in 44.



I dunno about the SKS. I was agreeing with his point that the cartridge was invented BEFORE the AK-47.

My brief research told me that the 7.62x39mm cartridge had been developed by the Russians before the Germans invaded, but they didn't use it until after the krauts were marching through their fields of mud and snow. It did see action in the war in any case.
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 11:06:51 AM EDT
Weren't most of the deaths of Russians at the hands of bullets during WWII? As in their own bullets, against their own people?
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 11:08:24 AM EDT
8mm
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 11:11:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Daytona955i:
Weren't most of the deaths of Russians at the hands of bullets during WWII? As in their own bullets, against their own people?



I do seem to recall their machine gunning troops who tried to retreat from certain battles and a LOT of executions with a 7.62 Nagant to the back of the head.

Still, I think after 7.62x39mm 12-gauge is one of the calibers that has killed the most people. It's been around for HOW long? It's powerful, it's versatile, it's gone to war, been adopted by police, become one of the most popular hunting weapons...
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 11:11:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Sixgun_Symphony:
I think it would be a toss up between Russian 7.62x54R and Mauser 7.92mm.




I agree with those two choices. Both used in two World Wars, both used in machine guns as well as individual infantry weapons.
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 11:14:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Daytona955i:
Weren't most of the deaths of Russians at the hands of bullets during WWII? As in their own bullets, against their own people?



yeah, most likely if they didn't get taken out by the MG 34 or 42 or the K98. they most likely fell to their own for not advancing fast enough or retreating that said the 54R probably killed more than the mauser.
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 11:14:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/17/2005 11:15:17 AM EDT by vito113]
.303 British,

7.92mm German,

7.62x39 Russian.

British and German MG's killed by the hundreds of thousands in the trenches during WWI, and those rounds had been in service since the turn of the Century and iserved throught WWII. The .303 also did great execution in Korea and on to the end of the 1950's. It also served on both sides in the various Indo-Pakistani wars till the present.

7.62x39 Russian has been killing people world wide since 1947 and must have reacked up many millions by now.

ANdy
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 11:16:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:
.303 British,

7.92mm German,

7.62x39 Russian.

British and German MG's killed by the hundreds of thousands in the trenches during WWI, and those rounds had been in service since the turn of the Century and iserved throught WWII. The .303 also did great execution in Korea and on to the end of the 1950's. It also served on both sides in the various Indo-Pakistani wars till the present.

7.62x39 Russian has been killing people world wide since 1947 and must have reacked up many millions by now.

ANdy



I dont think .303 is even in the feild of play here, no offense.
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 11:19:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By vito113:
.303 British,

7.92mm German,

7.62x39 Russian.

British and German MG's killed by the hundreds of thousands in the trenches during WWI, and those rounds had been in service since the turn of the Century and iserved throught WWII. The .303 also did great execution in Korea and on to the end of the 1950's. It also served on both sides in the various Indo-Pakistani wars till the present.

7.62x39 Russian has been killing people world wide since 1947 and must have reacked up many millions by now.

ANdy



I dont think .303 is even in the feild of play here, no offense.



I take it you don't read much military history them…

ANdy
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 11:19:45 AM EDT
.30ish
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 11:22:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By vito113:
.303 British,

7.92mm German,

7.62x39 Russian.

British and German MG's killed by the hundreds of thousands in the trenches during WWI, and those rounds had been in service since the turn of the Century and iserved throught WWII. The .303 also did great execution in Korea and on to the end of the 1950's. It also served on both sides in the various Indo-Pakistani wars till the present.

7.62x39 Russian has been killing people world wide since 1947 and must have reacked up many millions by now.

ANdy



I dont think .303 is even in the feild of play here, no offense.



I take it you don't read much military history them…

ANdy



By all means I am a fan of history, educate me. WWI and WWII obviouly as well as indochina, india, and malaya and maybe north Africa. Did I miss anything???
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 11:25:12 AM EDT
9x18 No telling how many people the KGB killed with this round.
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 11:27:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:

7.62x39 Russian has been killing people world wide since 1947 and must have reacked up many millions by now.

ANdy



that round started killing germans in 1944, it was developed in 1943 and was the cartridge meant for the SKS carbine. though far more of those rounds have been fired through AK47 rifles and their variants
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 11:29:45 AM EDT
303 was in service with the British since the late 1880's it has seen allot of battles. Probably as many as the 8mm and the and the 7.62x54R til that point
Link Posted: 4/17/2005 11:31:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By vito113:
.303 British,

7.92mm German,

7.62x39 Russian.

British and German MG's killed by the hundreds of thousands in the trenches during WWI, and those rounds had been in service since the turn of the Century and iserved throught WWII. The .303 also did great execution in Korea and on to the end of the 1950's. It also served on both sides in the various Indo-Pakistani wars till the present.

7.62x39 Russian has been killing people world wide since 1947 and must have reacked up many millions by now.

ANdy



I dont think .303 is even in the feild of play here, no offense.



I take it you don't read much military history them…

ANdy



By all means I am a fan of history, educate me. WWI and WWII obviouly as well as indochina, india, and malaya and maybe north Africa. Did I miss anything???



Entered service in 1888 and was used to slaughter many tens of thousands of Fuzzy Wuzzies in the Sudan and Africa at the end of the 19th C, also used in the Boer War, also all the interwar periods in fighting throughout the British Empire. It's been a very busy round along with Mr Maxim and Mr Vickers machine guns…

A round that has been in world wide use in many millions of rifles, LMG's and HMG's since 1888 will get up a very impressive score.

ANdy
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