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Posted: 8/28/2017 5:01:44 PM EDT
So with the ICSR set to begin testing in 9 days, with the end goal being to equip all front line troops with a new rifle...one that fires the new XM1158 ADVAP ammunition we now see what it is Milley fears and why he feels this is the best path going forward for our soldiers.
Now I in no way think Russia even has this technology even close to being what they say it is, but this right here is what Milley fears and why he feels we need a new 7.62 rifle and bullet. No matter what you or I think this is what the current Army Chief of Staff fears, this is the driving force behind NATICK developing a new ADVAP(Advaned Armor Piercing) round in 7.62 and why he is pushing out the ICSR on such a fast time frame. I present to you the RATNIK-3. Russia's new combat armor system. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/08/28/army-2017-update-russian-ratnik-3-equipment/ 
The helmet of Ratnik-3 will be equipped with an advanced aiming system. It will automatically calculate the distance to the target as well as all the variables like the wind speed and direction, the temperature of air etc. Having the projectile ballistics data, it will calculate the point of aim. So all the soldier will have to do is to match the point of aim with the target and pull the trigger. It will also have a “corner shooting” possibility allowing to shoot from cover without exposing the shooter himself.
Besides providing protection for eyes and ears, the helmet will also have a built in gas mask. In case of hazardous elements detected in the air, it will automatically activate the gas mask. The helmet will allow the soldier to control various unmanned vehicles in the field as well as receive and send data to other soldiers and command centers. It will also continuously collect data concerning soldier’s health status and will be able to electrically stimulate the soldier’s brain if needed. 
One of the officials said that the body armor will be able to withstand more than ten hits of different bullets. Well, this statement makes more questions than gives answers. What caliber and type of bullets it is rated for? Is it better than existing types of armors and levels of protection? 
The Ratnik-3 suit will be covered with a special compound which will be able to change its color depending on the background thus becoming an active camouflage.
The exoskeleton will be one of the most important features of the Ratnik-3, too. 
The weapon system will be a combination of an assault rifle and grenade launcher. The grenades will be self-guiding “fire-and-forget” type. Unfortunately, there are no details concerning the weapon itself. In one of the images, it is fed by linked, telescoped and polymer-cased ammunition. 
The final appearance of the Ratnik-3 will be shown by the end of this year. It will probably be issued in 15 to 20 years. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 5:04:36 PM EDT
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joglee thread
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Posted: 8/28/2017 5:05:31 PM EDT
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Wow, the Russians are as good at fake soldier systems as we are. I am impressed.
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Posted: 8/28/2017 5:05:56 PM EDT
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Wow, the Russians are as good at fake soldier systems as we are. I am impressed. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 5:08:22 PM EDT
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I'm skeptical the Russians can field those in any realistic numbers.
5.56 is still a better choice IMO. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 5:09:36 PM EDT
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Didn't they just spend a bunch of money on the new 5.56 round? Russia doesn't have enough money to field these power armor suits in any significant quantity even if they do work as claimed.
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Posted: 8/28/2017 5:10:56 PM EDT
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Didn't they just spend a bunch of money on the new 5.56 round? Russia doesn't have enough money to field these suits in any significant quantity even if they do work as claimed. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 5:12:53 PM EDT
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Looks like a lot of chafing.
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Posted: 8/28/2017 5:14:16 PM EDT
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I like how their "exoskeleton" is nothing but a mishmash of endlinks and balljoints. None of which even support loading or movement locations.
What kind of tards are falling for this? 
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Posted: 8/28/2017 5:14:40 PM EDT
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as long as the DOD sells all of their surplus 5.56mm ammo, and 5,56mm rifle parts, magazines etc to the public, I really don't care what rifle they go to.
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Posted: 8/28/2017 5:15:35 PM EDT
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lol.....is about all that suit rates.
But it does like like it'd go well with an Iranian cardboard stealth fighter. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 5:16:48 PM EDT
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Oh bullshit...
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Posted: 8/28/2017 5:19:59 PM EDT
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"We have to have new weapons and gear to close this combat armor gap!"
I'm not seeing a big need for the hype right now. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 5:23:02 PM EDT
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He's worried about an armor system at a trade show? Horse shit. If he's the one pushing this, then he has a nice job waiting for him upon retirement or a new house.
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Posted: 8/28/2017 5:24:59 PM EDT
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LoL, I seriously doubt some fantasy exo suite slated for production 15yrs from now is the driver.
Most likely this stuff is. 
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Posted: 8/28/2017 5:25:36 PM EDT
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LOL! Riiight...
I would be more inclined to believe that the Army CoS fears not getting a sweet job after retirement with a big weapons manufacturer. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 5:25:38 PM EDT
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He's worried about an armor system at a trade show? Horse shit. If he's the one pushing this, then he has a nice job waiting for him upon retirement or a new house. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 5:26:33 PM EDT
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LoL, I seriously doubt some fantasy exo suite slated for production 15yrs from now is the driver. Most likely this stuff is. http://armyrecognition.com/images/stories/news/2016/may/Russian_soldiers_will_receive_new_6B43_B45_body_armour_and_6B47_combat_helmets_640_001.jpg |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 5:27:27 PM EDT
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Or we could go back to 19O3A3 Springfields and learn to shoot.
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Posted: 8/28/2017 5:28:53 PM EDT
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Skynet + Robocop + Starship Troopers all rolled into one.
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Posted: 8/28/2017 5:32:37 PM EDT
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I like how their "exoskeleton" is nothing but a mishmash of endlinks and balljoints. None of which even support loading or movement locations. What kind of tards are falling for this? Mattis needs to fire some motherfuckers. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 5:33:40 PM EDT
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I'm skeptical the Russians can field those in any realistic numbers. 5.56 is still a better choice IMO. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 5:34:25 PM EDT
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Hit them with a fog of paint spray then hit them with gas.
To see to get out of the gas they will have to open the visor. I bet the suit goes fucky in the rain - yup just a simple bit of rain will down half that capability and the rusting will slow down the rest. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 5:37:14 PM EDT
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I suspect that some Afghan, with a 100 year old Enfield, would be able to defeat this new armor.
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Posted: 8/28/2017 5:40:27 PM EDT
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LOL. I fucking knew it was going to be something this stupid. Milley is attempting to recreate the conditions of the US Army faced during the Cold War, he'll cry
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Posted: 8/28/2017 5:48:02 PM EDT
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I suspect that some Afghan, with a 100 year old Enfield, would be able to defeat this new armor. THUNK THUNK THUNK -- "Comrade Squad Leader, cannot see shitski!" |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 5:49:22 PM EDT
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Army Chief of Staff Milley has been on record before congress, before the ICSR came out that we needed to adopt a new 7.62 rifle firing the new XM1158 to defeat upcoming threats with Russian body armor...Here we are, the "upcoming Russian body armor threat". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He's worried about an armor system at a trade show? Horse shit. If he's the one pushing this, then he has a nice job waiting for him upon retirement or a new house. 
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Posted: 8/28/2017 5:52:46 PM EDT
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Soon...
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Posted: 8/28/2017 5:54:46 PM EDT
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Wow, the Russians are as good at fake soldier systems as we are. I am impressed. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 5:55:09 PM EDT
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Those poor bastards have barely mastered socks, now they're going to field power armor?
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Posted: 8/28/2017 5:57:22 PM EDT
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If General Milley genuinely fears this Russian vaporware mock up, he's incompetent and needs to be relieved.
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Posted: 8/28/2017 6:00:56 PM EDT
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The Russians are reading old Dale Brown books!!! |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 6:02:13 PM EDT
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What I want to know is how is that thing powered and how long can it run? Because once the batteries crap out on it all it is is a bunch of metal strapped to your back.
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Posted: 8/28/2017 6:07:17 PM EDT
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What I want to know is how is that thing powered and how long can it run? Because once the batteries crap out on it all it is is a bunch of metal strapped to your back. So 15 years from now when the Russians finally manage to get the money and production squared away to equip a battalion of Spetnaz or VDV infantry wearing these, then Milley, having figured out a way to fight a major combat operation against Russia without nukes, will have the US Army nationally equipped with the rifles capable of taking out mech armor who will then slaughter that battalion of Russians. Check mate, Comrade! |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 6:10:36 PM EDT
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It doesn't exist. Milley is just getting a head start. So 15 years from now when the Russians finally manage to get the money and production squared away to equip a battalion of Spetnaz or VDV infantry wearing these, then Milley, having figured out a way to fight a major combat operation against Russia without nukes, will have the US Army nationally equipped with the rifles capable of taking out mech armor who will then slaughter that battalion of Russians. Check mate, Comrade! Milley is preparing the Army for a future war that will never happen, against a peer nation that won't ever field the armor we are developing rounds and buying guns to defeat. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 6:11:08 PM EDT
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Article is RETARDED.
in 10 to 15 years we will be fighting with autonomous drones both land and air. Why put a person in Harms way..... we really don't need to now. We just need to field the current technology level. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 6:15:00 PM EDT
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Soon- all of the training,practice, and stock piling of guns and ammo will be useless.
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Posted: 8/28/2017 6:16:38 PM EDT
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If General Milley genuinely fears this Russian vaporware mock up, he's incompetent and needs to be relieved. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 6:16:56 PM EDT
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STOP the insanity
joglee thread |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 6:18:28 PM EDT
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Disappointment.
I was expecting zombies or the Night King and his legions of the dead. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 6:20:42 PM EDT
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STOP the insanity joglee thread |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 6:22:56 PM EDT
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No matter what you or I think this is what the current Army Chief of Staff fears, this is the driving force behind NATICK developing a new ADVAP(Advaned Armor Piercing) round in 7.62 and why he is pushing out the ICSR on such a fast time frame. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 6:25:39 PM EDT
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So with the ICSR set to begin testing in 9 days, with the end goal being to equip all front line troops with a new rifle...one that fires the new XM1158 ADVAP ammunition we now see what it is Milley fears and why he feels this is the best path going forward for our soldiers. Now I in no way think Russia even has this technology even close to being what they say it is, but this right here is what Milley fears and why he feels we need a new 7.62 rifle and bullet. No matter what you or I think this is what the current Army Chief of Staff fears, this is the driving force behind NATICK developing a new ADVAP(Advaned Armor Piercing) round in 7.62 and why he is pushing out the ICSR on such a fast time frame. I present to you the RATNIK-3. Russia's new combat armor system. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/08/28/army-2017-update-russian-ratnik-3-equipment/ http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Ratnik-3.jpg The helmet of Ratnik-3 will be equipped with an advanced aiming system. It will automatically calculate the distance to the target as well as all the variables like the wind speed and direction, the temperature of air etc. Having the projectile ballistics data, it will calculate the point of aim. So all the soldier will have to do is to match the point of aim with the target and pull the trigger. It will also have a “corner shooting” possibility allowing to shoot from cover without exposing the shooter himself.
Besides providing protection for eyes and ears, the helmet will also have a built in gas mask. In case of hazardous elements detected in the air, it will automatically activate the gas mask. The helmet will allow the soldier to control various unmanned vehicles in the field as well as receive and send data to other soldiers and command centers. It will also continuously collect data concerning soldier’s health status and will be able to electrically stimulate the soldier’s brain if needed. One of the officials said that the body armor will be able to withstand more than ten hits of different bullets. Well, this statement makes more questions than gives answers. What caliber and type of bullets it is rated for? Is it better than existing types of armors and levels of protection? The Ratnik-3 suit will be covered with a special compound which will be able to change its color depending on the background thus becoming an active camouflage.
The exoskeleton will be one of the most important features of the Ratnik-3, too. The weapon system will be a combination of an assault rifle and grenade launcher. The grenades will be self-guiding “fire-and-forget” type. Unfortunately, there are no details concerning the weapon itself. In one of the images, it is fed by linked, telescoped and polymer-cased ammunition. The final appearance of the Ratnik-3 will be shown by the end of this year. It will probably be issued in 15 to 20 years.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 6:33:55 PM EDT
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joglee thread 
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Posted: 8/28/2017 6:34:38 PM EDT
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Has Milley actually stated that is the reason for the ICSR program, or is it just your speculation? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No matter what you or I think this is what the current Army Chief of Staff fears, this is the driving force behind NATICK developing a new ADVAP(Advaned Armor Piercing) round in 7.62 and why he is pushing out the ICSR on such a fast time frame. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 6:36:12 PM EDT
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LoL, I seriously doubt some fantasy exo suite slated for production 15yrs from now is the driver. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 6:38:01 PM EDT
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Now we need microwave weapons to short their nifty electronic exo suits out
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Posted: 8/28/2017 6:38:14 PM EDT
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Concur. It is quite illogical to think that an urgent program which is meant to field an off-the-shelf 7.62 rifle as quickly as possible, would be motivated by a body armor threat that won't exist for at least 15 years. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 6:38:30 PM EDT
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None of this will materialize. Some higher up needs to stop this. Waste of money.....
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Posted: 8/28/2017 6:40:21 PM EDT
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Well, who doesn't lie to Congress nowadays? |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 6:40:57 PM EDT
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None of this will materialize. Some higher up needs to stop this. Waste of money..... Congress chose to side with the Army Chief of Staff. If he has congress on his side what "higher up" is there to stop him? |
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