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Posted: 2/21/2007 4:51:38 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/21/2007 11:45:04 AM EST by ZitiForBreakfast]
Like back in the November time frame?

I think I'll do some searching on threads and get some names of members who thought it was silly for us to worry about it.

Do you still feel the same way? Do you own a gun? Do you care?
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 4:53:06 AM EST
I saw gloom and doom on the horizon.

From national security to gun rights and everything else those cockfags could screw up.
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 4:54:39 AM EST
I think a lot of people here would gleefully roll over and spread their cheeks.
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 4:57:45 AM EST
But they wanted to send the NeoCons a "message"...
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 4:58:41 AM EST

Originally Posted By ZitiForBreakfast:
Like back in the November time frame?

I think I'll do some searching on threads and get some names of members who thought it was silly for us to worry about it.

Do you still feel the same way? Do you own a gun? Do you care?



that's right! CREATE DISSENT! Start fighting amongst ourselves! It's EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED!! LET THE FINGER POINTING GAME BEGIN!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 5:01:58 AM EST
Where you someone who thought it was silly to worry about the dems taking power and a new AWB? NO!

Search me! I'm clean.
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 5:03:02 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/21/2007 5:03:27 AM EST by pdg45acp]

Originally Posted By ZitiForBreakfast:
Like back in the November time frame?

I think I'll do some searching on threads and get some names of members who thought it was silly for us to worry about it.

Do you still feel the same way? Do you own a gun? Do you care?


I'd like to see those search results..

I'd bet a dog turd to a dollar that some of those ID's were nothing more than DU trolls taking advantage of those of us with less than average cognitive abilities..

We should have been a little more hard nosed about who gets to post here and in the hundreds of other gun forums on the internet.
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 5:04:18 AM EST

Originally Posted By ZitiForBreakfast:
Like back in the November time frame?

I think I'll do some searching on threads and get some names of members who thought it was silly for us to worry about it.

Do you still feel the same way? Do you own a gun? Do you care?


Jesus Christ.

This woman does this shit every few years.

It's her pet cause.

Even if we had kept control of both houses, it would have been introduced.

It will fail this year just as it has in the past.

Probably won't make it out of committee.
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 5:06:31 AM EST
WERE not WHERE !

To answer your question, "NO, I was NOT."
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 5:07:53 AM EST

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:
I saw gloom and doom on the horizon.

From national security to gun rights and everything else those cockfags could screw up.


+1

People let their guard down and wanted to "send a message"

I didn't.
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 5:09:40 AM EST
The fact of the matter is that the Republicans would sell gunowners out in a heartbeat if it met their needs. It just happens that most of the time, it doesn't. The Democrats have to cater to the nutty wing of the party, so it trots out gun bans, anti-war resolutions, etc to appease it.

The problem is that the difference between the parties seems to have faded. Fiscal conservatives find little to like in the Republicans. Since they can't find someone to vote for, they don't vote. Add a little dislike of Bush's prosecution of the war in Iraq (not against the war, against our pussyfooted handling of it), and you have the Dems in power.

Semper Fi
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 5:12:09 AM EST

Originally Posted By jrkarp:

Originally Posted By ZitiForBreakfast:
Like back in the November time frame?

I think I'll do some searching on threads and get some names of members who thought it was silly for us to worry about it.

Do you still feel the same way? Do you own a gun? Do you care?


Jesus Christ.

This woman does this shit every few years.

It's her pet cause.

Even if we had kept control of both houses, it would have been introduced.

It will fail this year just as it has in the past.

Probably won't make it out of committee.


It wouldn't have made it out of committee before the 2006 election.. now I wouldn't be so sure.. And, when they hear testimony that at least one of "Hunting's" big names thinks that semi-autos are "bad" we could be in for some problems.

Link Posted: 2/21/2007 5:12:34 AM EST
Boating accident,Gone I tell ya'
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 5:17:31 AM EST
I personally voted straight Republican in the last election. And yes, I own an AR-15.

I’m one of the people that thought the Democrats would hold off until after the 2008 elections. That’s because it really doesn’t make political sense for them to bring the issue up now. I’m hoping the Democrats realize this and the bill dies in committee. I honestly don’t expect it to pass, but I’m not as confident as I was a month ago.

The threat of that bill has made me rethink my plans to just save my income tax refund. Saving it would make more sense but this could be my absolute last chance to buy one of several firearms I’ve wanted for years.

As long as I’ve got money in my wallet and a rifle is in the gun store I tend to be satisfied with keeping things that way. But when Democrats threaten to ban guns I start deciding that it’s better if the gun store has my money and I’ve got the rifle in my safe. I wanted an AR-15 for years but only got one when Wilhelm the Slick was pushing for the last AWB.
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 5:19:50 AM EST
I'm not worried.

Even on the off chance that it passed the House, Senate and President's desk, I think the courts would strike it down.

If not, the Dems and turncoat Repubs would be voted out and cooler heads would prevail.
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 5:21:22 AM EST

Originally Posted By pdg45acp:

Originally Posted By jrkarp:

Originally Posted By ZitiForBreakfast:
Like back in the November time frame?

I think I'll do some searching on threads and get some names of members who thought it was silly for us to worry about it.

Do you still feel the same way? Do you own a gun? Do you care?


Jesus Christ.

This woman does this shit every few years.

It's her pet cause.

Even if we had kept control of both houses, it would have been introduced.

It will fail this year just as it has in the past.

Probably won't make it out of committee.


It wouldn't have made it out of committee before the 2006 election.. now I wouldn't be so sure.. And, when they hear testimony that at least one of "Hunting's" big names thinks that semi-autos are "bad" we could be in for some problems.



I share your concerns, but for the time being let's just write our representatives asking them to oppose the bill and save the panic for when/if it is necessary.
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 5:28:38 AM EST

Originally Posted By ZitiForBreakfast:
Like back in the November time frame?

I think I'll do some searching on threads and get some names of members who thought it was silly for us to worry about it.

Do you still feel the same way? Do you own a gun? Do you care?


Yes, I do , this bill is introduced by her every year. I was under no illusion she would not do it again this year , as last year, and the year before , and the year before, and the years before .....

IF the bill gets cosponsors AND makes it out of comittee then I will start to worry more, but as it is focus a few letters to members of the comitte and keep an eye on it, no need to run around screaming like the sky is falling.
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 5:46:19 AM EST
It's not very effective trying to "send a message" from a position of weakness. Like it or not, we are looked on as zealots, and sometimes even "nutcases" by "mainstream America." It seems we are too busy fighting amongst ourselves to launch an effective defense against the "antis." We will never "beat them." We must convert them, or at least educate "mr. & mrs. normal american voter" about their agenda and make our agenda their agenda.
Screaming "F#ck the Antis!" and dividing the Republican party(not perfect, but not openly against us!) is counterproductive. The RINOs were sent a message alright! Seems like they didn't get it though. What we got was the Democrats in a better position to undo what little good was done in the last few years! I know, there are conservative democrats, but they are democrats first, conservatives second as far as I can see.
Old news is old news, we need some young, effective, vocal conservatives to lead the GOP back to what America is. The Dems trot out the same worn out socialist agenda & middle America keeps falling for it.
It's going to be a long hard haul.
Hessian-1
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 5:48:12 AM EST
We have only the Republicans to blame for screwing up and losing their hold over Congress.

Heckuva job, GOPers.
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 5:48:35 AM EST
I prepared since we lost both legislative branches. That was a sign.

since then, I've been getting new stuff and hording up mags and ammo. Better safe than sorry.
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 5:50:35 AM EST

Originally Posted By jrkarp:

Originally Posted By ZitiForBreakfast:
Like back in the November time frame?

I think I'll do some searching on threads and get some names of members who thought it was silly for us to worry about it.

Do you still feel the same way? Do you own a gun? Do you care?


Jesus Christ.

This woman does this shit every few years.

It's her pet cause.

Even if we had kept control of both houses, it would have been introduced.

It will fail this year just as it has in the past.

Probably won't make it out of committee.


You willing to bet yours and your grandchildren's rights on "probably"???
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 5:51:54 AM EST

Originally Posted By Hessian-1:
AIt's not very effective trying to "send a message" from a position of weakness. Like it or not, we are looked on as zealots, and sometimes even "nutcases" by "mainstream merica." It seems we are too busy fighting amongst ourselves to launch an effective defense against the "antis." We will never "beat them." We must convert them, or at least educate "mr. & mrs. normal american voter" about their agenda and make our agenda their agenda.
Screaming "F#ck the Antis!" and dividing the Republican party(not perfect, but not openly against us!) is counterproductive. The RINOs were sent a message alright! Seems like they didn't get it though. What we got was the Democrats in a better position to undo what little good was done in the last few years! I know, there are conservative democrats, but they are democrats first, conservatives second as far as I can see.
Old news is old news, we need some young, effective, vocal conservatives to lead the GOP back to what America is. The Dems trot out the same worn out socialist agenda & middle America keeps falling for it.
It's going to be a long hard haul.
Hessian-1


wonder how many zelots it will take to fight the next civil war?
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 5:56:18 AM EST
I was under no illusions that Dems have dropped the gun control issue.

For many in Dem leadership, gun control is thier pet cause.

They'll be looking to do it right next time around. Just a matter of time.
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 5:58:40 AM EST
There aint gonna be no Assault Weapons Bans.
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 5:59:52 AM EST

Originally Posted By texas_mustang_01:
I'm not worried.

Even on the off chance that it passed the House, Senate and President's desk, I think the courts would strike it down.





That's good! I needed a little pick me up this morning!


If not, the Dems and turncoat Repubs would be voted out and cooler heads would prevail.


Who would care at that point?
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 6:01:00 AM EST
The storm is coming, be prepared just incase.
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 6:02:58 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/21/2007 6:05:49 AM EST by bullyforyou]


i've known since the original sunset that we were living in a brief time of second amendment revival.

the new ban is coming. decide what you need to do, and do it.

ETA: to the guy who thinks that "the courts will sort it out"; please man. they haven't yet "sorted out" the '34 NFA, the '68 GCA, the '86 MG ban, or the '89 import ban, and it's not for lack of time.


Link Posted: 2/21/2007 6:03:13 AM EST

Originally Posted By markm:
There aint gonna be no Assault Weapons Bans.


How is it you're so sure?

...

I just hope the anti Zumbo guys all get as fired up about an AWB as they did about Zumbo...
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 6:04:08 AM EST
Outlawing the possession of firearms is an eventuality.

One that needs to be fought to the end, but an end that will come nonetheless. AWB is just the next step.
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 6:06:36 AM EST

Originally Posted By USMC2111:
The fact of the matter is that the Republicans would sell gunowners out in a heartbeat if it met their needs. It just happens that most of the time, it doesn't. The Democrats have to cater to the nutty wing of the party, so it trots out gun bans, anti-war resolutions, etc to appease it.

The problem is that the difference between the parties seems to have faded. Fiscal conservatives find little to like in the Republicans. Since they can't find someone to vote for, they don't vote. Add a little dislike of Bush's prosecution of the war in Iraq (not against the war, against our pussyfooted handling of it), and you have the Dems in power.

Semper Fi


I call


fred
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 6:10:23 AM EST

Originally Posted By pdg45acp:

Originally Posted By jrkarp:

Originally Posted By ZitiForBreakfast:
Like back in the November time frame?

I think I'll do some searching on threads and get some names of members who thought it was silly for us to worry about it.

Do you still feel the same way? Do you own a gun? Do you care?


Jesus Christ.

This woman does this shit every few years.

It's her pet cause.

Even if we had kept control of both houses, it would have been introduced.

It will fail this year just as it has in the past.

Probably won't make it out of committee.


It wouldn't have made it out of committee before the 2006 election.. now I wouldn't be so sure.. And, when they hear testimony that at least one of "Hunting's" big names thinks that semi-autos are "bad" we could be in for some problems.



I never heard of this Zumbo character until he flapped his yap one too many times. I am sure that the vast majority of sheeple have not either.
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 6:10:46 AM EST

Originally Posted By texas_mustang_01:
I'm not worried.

Even on the off chance that it passed the House, Senate and President's desk, I think the courts would strike it down.

If not, the Dems and turncoat Repubs would be voted out and cooler heads would prevail.


just like last time??

fred

it will pass...mark my words...
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 6:11:16 AM EST

Originally Posted By efpeter:
Outlawing the possession of firearms is an eventuality.

One that needs to be fought to the end, but an end that will come nonetheless. AWB is just the next step.


Yea? The Communists thought that it was inevitable that they would win… Oh wait, Hillary Clinton. Bad example. OK forget that one.

Things can turn around quickly though and it’s not inevitable that firearms will be banned. A new AWB isn’t even inevitable. Look at CCW laws as an example, and the castle doctrine.
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 6:11:26 AM EST
The GOP lost the election because they dropped the ball. Libertarians and GOP that either voted 3rd party or didn't bother to vote, or even voted D -barf- are not the problem

The Problem is/was the GOP. They acted more like liberals and got kicked in the nuts by conservative democrats. GOP is to blame bitch at them

The Iraq war is the NUMBER ONE reason your average voter on the street was upset with Republicans. THIS IS THE NUMBER ONE REASON GOP LOST IN 06. The contributing reason is the abandonment of their base.

Get this through you thick heads.

I was not sure at the time, thought it might be close, but had a good feeling Dems would get the senate and maybe the house.

I also don't think they will make a big push on gun bans until they secure the white house in 08, which I think they will to. The Republicans keep alienating the conservative base. 08 is when the shit storm will begin. The GOP better get its head out of its ass if it wants power again.

Stop bashing your fellow gun owners and RKBA brothers and sisters and focus on the real fucking problem. GOP is now Socialist Lite. Same great taste less filling, and the conservitives are split in either voting the lesser of 2 evils or not voting or voting 3rd party. Run some real conservatives and have the party get back to its roots and you will see the base support the GOP again, stop trying to run the middle ground. The few thousand ARFCOM members are not the ones upon which the election hinges. Bitch to the GOP.
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 6:12:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By USMC2111:
The fact of the matter is that the Republicans would sell gunowners out in a heartbeat if it met their needs. It just happens that most of the time, it doesn't. The Democrats have to cater to the nutty wing of the party, so it trots out gun bans, anti-war resolutions, etc to appease it.

The problem is that the difference between the parties seems to have faded. Fiscal conservatives find little to like in the Republicans. Since they can't find someone to vote for, they don't vote. Add a little dislike of Bush's prosecution of the war in Iraq (not against the war, against our pussyfooted handling of it), and you have the Dems in power.

Semper Fi


Of all the retarded BS..

How's that protest vote working out for ya? Good I hope .. however... rest of us aren't real happy about it.
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 6:16:10 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/21/2007 6:20:30 AM EST by texas_mustang_01]

Originally Posted By bullyforyou:

i've known since the original sunset that we were living in a brief time of second amendment revival.

the new ban is coming. decide what you need to do, and do it.

ETA: to the guy who thinks that "the courts will sort it out"; please man. they haven't yet "sorted out" the '34 NFA, the '68 GCA, the '86 MG ban, or the '89 import ban, and it's not for lack of time.



I didn't say they would "sort it out" I said they would overturn the AWB that everyone's talking about. The previous bans and actions do not have the scope of the proposed ban, a ban that would effectively outlaw an entire class of weapons. Weapons that have been legal to make, sell, transport, and buy for many years.

It's going to be difficult to ban these weapons when they have been accepted as normal for so long.

I have no doubt that our Supreme Court would overturn this ban as unconstitutional.

No matter what you may think, the citizens of America control our government and can overturn their decisions by replacing them.

When gun owners automatically decide that the government will act without their consent, they've already given up. Work with the system, not outside it. We'll never win with the outsider attitude.
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 6:17:07 AM EST
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 6:17:30 AM EST
Up until the dems acquired the House and Senate I didn't think
there was much of a threat. And now seeing the asshats who
are running for president who knows what's going to happen.

If they pass another AWB though, they will surely have their asses
handed to them.
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 6:19:43 AM EST

Originally Posted By rugerp345:
WERE not WHERE !

To answer your question, "NO, I was NOT."


Thank you.......That was really bothering me....
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 6:19:51 AM EST

Originally Posted By Noname:
But they wanted to send the NeoCons a "message"...


Which was just as important as risking our rights.

If I'm getting sold out now or 3 years from now whats the fucking difference.

It was a no win situation. If we cant win maybe we can at least smack some sense back into our own party and hope we can hold the line till their back in power.
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 6:20:03 AM EST

Originally Posted By Thuban:
As long as I’ve got money in my wallet and a rifle is in the gun store I tend to be satisfied with keeping things that way. But when Democrats threaten to ban guns I start deciding that it’s better if the gun store has my money and I’ve got the rifle in my safe. I wanted an AR-15 for years but only got one when Wilhelm the Slick was pushing for the last AWB.


+1

Before 1994 I had a pair of .22's and was happy. The threat of losing firearms drew me to AR-15s and my bank account has been drained ever since
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 6:20:09 AM EST
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 6:23:06 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/21/2007 6:30:28 AM EST by ThunderStick]
I don't recall if I participated in the Oct./Nov. threads vis a vis the dems and gun contol but...

On the national level--There will be no AWB before Jan 2009. All bets are off after the new congress and president are installed in Jan 2009. Most dems have been running away from gun control. I know there are still some gun grabbin' dems out there but the dem strategy is to avoid riling up pro-gun voters.

The AWB will not make it through the Senate. It will not pass cloture. Repubs only need 41 votes to keep the AWB from becoming law. I think that there wil also be a few dem senators who would vote against the AWB. We shall see.

There is greater danger at the local/state level, where the dems may have a huge advantage in the state legislatures (Blue states with Dem governors).

Link Posted: 2/21/2007 6:24:12 AM EST
Nope,

I knew that some nut job in the Dem party would toss out another AWB right away. They've been trying to do that ever since the first one sunset.

I mean look at history folks:

1934 NFA = Dems control Congress

1968 GCA = Dems control Congress

1986 FOPA = Dems control Congress

1989 Import Ban = Republican President (the only time gun control has come direct form a Republican at the federal level).

1992 Expansion of the Import Ban = 2 x times from a Democratic President

1994 AWB= Dems control Congress

Dianne Feinstein tried to sneak an extension to the AWB and she is a DEM and now a very senior leading member of their Senate.

You'd have to be deaf, dumb, and blind to not see a new AWB coming from the Dems.
Link Posted: 2/24/2007 3:51:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By SilentType:
Nope,

I knew that some nut job in the Dem party would toss out another AWB right away. They've been trying to do that ever since the first one sunset.

I mean look at history folks:

1934 NFA = Dems control Congress

1968 GCA = Dems control Congress

1986 FOPA = Dems control Congress

1989 Import Ban = Republican President (the only time gun control has come direct form a Republican at the federal level).

1992 Expansion of the Import Ban = 2 x times from a Democratic President

1994 AWB= Dems control Congress

Dianne Feinstein tried to sneak an extension to the AWB and she is a DEM and now a very senior leading member of their Senate.

You'd have to be deaf, dumb, and blind to not see a new AWB coming from the Dems.


If this doesn't settle the republicans vs demorats argument once and for all, you have rocks in your head...
The Dems want us to "be like Europe" ...why i don't know, but that is what they want...we already had one war about this...in 1776....
And McCarthy is a .............you guessed it..........DEM

fred
Link Posted: 2/24/2007 4:08:23 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/24/2007 4:10:52 AM EST by LWilde]
Sadly there are many amongst us who have very short memories...or they are simply disconnected parts of the body politic. Until the Republicans took over the congress in 1994, we had anti-gun bills being introduced all the time. AFTER the adults took over, the drive to take away our RKBA was stopped...cold.

Far too many of you failed to grasp the consequences of the Democrats returning to power...and you either stayed home or voted for a Democrat.

Now there is a price to pay for our collective folly. This is just the beginning...

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - George Santayana.
Link Posted: 2/24/2007 4:09:44 AM EST

Originally Posted By ShadowCompany:
Up until the dems acquired the House and Senate I didn't think
there was much of a threat. And now seeing the asshats who
are running for president who knows what's going to happen.

If they pass another AWB though, they will surely have their asses
handed to them.


So how many of the big time anti-gunners in Congress/House have been kicked out recently? I see the same faces as always, even some new anti-gunners as well. The truth is the vast majority of the American public could care less about any AWB - if put up to a vote of the people it would probably (almost surely) pass. IMO the probability of a new AWB is very high - I doubt they'll make the sunset "mistake" the next time around.
Link Posted: 2/24/2007 4:10:57 AM EST
Many of my fellow ARFCommers thought they would send a message to the Republicans about sealing the borders and other things.

Well they did. I remember the comments very well.

The morons either didn't vote or, in a few cases, voted for Democrats.

Now we are facing a good possibility of a strong AWB. I think it will pass the House. Hopefully it won't get through the Senate, but who knows? Bush has said he would sign an AWB bill if came to his desk but maybe he won't.

I think it is a given that if the Democrats maintain control of Congress and win the White House in 2008 then we will have the semi autos taken away or severly restricted.

Our only hope is to vote for Republicans. The Republican Congress served us gun owners very well for six years.

Don't vote for goddamn Liberatrians and other third party candidates because you are wasting your vote.

That is what happen in 1992. Many weak minded Conservatives voted for Ross Periot and that wound up getting us a gun grabbing Democrat President who won by 43% of the vote.
Link Posted: 2/24/2007 4:12:00 AM EST

Originally Posted By ZitiForBreakfast:
Like back in the November time frame?

I think I'll do some searching on threads and get some names of members who thought it was silly for us to worry about it.

Do you still feel the same way? Do you own a gun? Do you care?



Are you kidding people are still saying shit like "it will never happen" or " theres no Cosponsors so we don't have to worry yet"

If you are not helping get out of the way. We CAN beat it this time but we have no room for complacency!
Link Posted: 2/24/2007 4:41:12 AM EST
I spent most of last fall bitching about the Republican party and threatening not to vote for them AT ALL because they were just as useless to our society as the Democrats are.

Then I went to vote and pulled the lever for all the Republicans running, because the other choices, well...there weren't any other choices.

It was not a proud day for me. I voted for liars and candidates who have no regard for the Constitution.



The Republicans lost ground because they have ignored their constituents. They suck the tit of big money, just like the Dems do, and neither party, as a whole, cares about anything but getting re-elected.

Pander to the masses via the press and then do what profits them personally. That is the strategy of too many politicians regardless of party affiliation.

The second amendment struggle is much like the Islam/Christian struggle. It will never go away. The tide will ebb and flow, but the struggle will always continue.

I never though a Democratic majority was trivial, but the Republicans deserved to lose and may actually learn to lie more convincingly because of the mid-term beating they took.

As mentioned, this type of bill gets brought up every year anyway. It will not pass.
Link Posted: 2/24/2007 4:50:29 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/24/2007 4:52:43 AM EST by inkaybee]
I'll say flat out, Ar15s are second in importance to my job, which is being destroyed by illegal immigrants. I stayed home last election in protest. I'll vote for Paul or Tancredo in the primary and when they loose I'll stay home again for the general.

I have enough AR15s and ammo for me, my kids, and my grand kids and I am not giving them up. How many of you wrote your congressmen or sent bricks on my behalf. If we get another ban too bad for those of you that did not help me out on my issue.

If you want my vote you better turn your GOP around.


P.S. I have already written my congresswoman about HR1022
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