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Posted: 4/21/2017 4:32:59 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 4:36:27 AM EDT
Hahaha never gets old

Link Posted: 4/21/2017 4:47:24 AM EDT
Jokes on you, I got high on the 19th instead! 
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 4:49:39 AM EDT
No thanks. I don't care what my employees do between 5:01PM and 7:59AM
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 5:40:55 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/21/2017 5:43:04 AM EDT
Federally mandated random screenings at my job.
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 7:31:21 AM EDT
I think I won't be drug testing myself today, it's Friday. Time for a whiskey.
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 7:32:50 AM EDT
I got piss tested two weeks in a row after spring break it's just a pain in the ass
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 7:40:19 AM EDT
Based on how many HS students I see smoking weed just off school property, if they ever ran a K9 through the school they would probably have to suspend half the students.
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 8:05:41 AM EDT
Shit at one construction I was at I got picked as the random guy every freaken week to the point where the lab was like nope tell them to send someone else. Not that I minded since I didn't do anything and got paid for it.

I'd show up at the shop, go through the morning meeting. Get called into the office and be waiting around forever before being told to go for testing. After the first few times I got smart. I'd stop and pick up breakfast sandwiches or coffee n doughnuts. Get to the lab and say hi to the women by name, get the tv controller from them. They would be "really backed up".... Probably because we were watching TV and having breakfast.... Get back to the shop just in time to grab the truck, run a load to the job site and dump before lunch. Then take my lunch lol

Come to find out they weren't singling me out. They knew I was clean so they were using me. The lab and or the insurance company got smart and gave them shit. 2 or 3 other guys failed
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 8:14:56 AM EDT
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You mean you hold your employees accountable only when working and gaining a pay check?

What a weird concept.
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 8:15:27 AM EDT
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Probably half the teacher too.
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Link Posted: 4/21/2017 8:18:18 AM EDT
I've been wanting drug testing for years.

The owner is like "So you and 4 other guys are going to do all of the work?". (about 40 employees)
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I've been wanting drug testing for years.

The owner is like "So you and 4 other guys are going to do all of the work?". (about 40 employees)
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You willing to take a paycheck for that buddy?  They're not cheap.
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it'll still show
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You willing to take a paycheck for that buddy?  They're not cheap.
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Drug tests aren't expensive.

If they are worth what they cost is another question entirely.
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 9:16:24 AM EDT
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That's not how drug tests are supposed to be conducted.


I think you're being manipulated and may have a sexual harassment claim.
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 9:17:59 AM EDT
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Shit at one construction I was at I got picked as the random guy every freaken week to the point where the lab was like nope tell them to send someone else. Not that I minded since I didn't do anything and got paid for it.

I'd show up at the shop, go through the morning meeting. Get called into the office and be waiting around forever before being told to go for testing. After the first few times I got smart. I'd stop and pick up breakfast sandwiches or coffee n doughnuts. Get to the lab and say hi to the women by name, get the tv controller from them. They would be "really backed up".... Probably because we were watching TV and having breakfast.... Get back to the shop just in time to grab the truck, run a load to the job site and dump before lunch. Then take my lunch lol

Come to find out they weren't singling me out. They knew I was clean so they were using me. The lab and or the insurance company got smart and gave them shit. 2 or 3 other guys failed
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I have often suspected that I was being used for the same thing in the Reserves.. It just seemed funny that I always got picked for the piss test.. almost every month..
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 9:28:14 AM EDT
In the middle of a 100% test now.  2 people already just walked right out.

I know you white collar guys probably think this is BS but whenever someone gets hurt on the job they get tested.  The last thing I want is an incident where someone hurts someone and then pisses hot so the more we can "weed out" (no pun intended, most people are failing for pain pills/adderall/meth lately anyway) ahead of time the better.
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Link Posted: 4/21/2017 9:38:05 AM EDT
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That's why you da man
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 9:42:56 AM EDT
We are currently in the process of transitioning to the ownership of a new company next week, of which they will keep us on staff up to 90 days, at which point we will receive a healthy retention payment/severance. This is of course contingent on not being fired "for cause", but I am curious if they are going to randomly drug test people up here to try and weed out some people and save that money. Considering that current employer never drug tests, I'm sure it would pop at least a handful of people.
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 9:50:58 AM EDT
this job is the only one I ever had to pee in a cup. passed with flying colors....
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Was that because of the acid or the DMT?
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 9:54:20 AM EDT
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It's usually insurance companies the pressure employers to do these tests.  That's why even if they legalize weed you still won't be able to use it and keep a good job at the same time.
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 9:55:06 AM EDT
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I've been wanting drug testing for years.

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Yeah, that's about right.

Hell, I've even got a situation where one of the owners of my company had an employee get him some weed.
Discussed the deal openly in our office and then did the transaction in the parking lot at the end of the work day.

A.W.D.
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 9:58:37 AM EDT
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In the middle of a 100% test now.  2 people already just walked right out.

I know you white collar guys probably think this is BS but whenever someone gets hurt on the job they get tested.  The last thing I want is an incident where someone hurts someone and then pisses hot so the more we can "weed out" (no pun intended, most people are failing for pain pills/adderall/meth lately anyway) ahead of time the better.
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Pissing hot and being high on the job aren't the same thing. Your insurance, OSHA, any other regulatory agency only cares about your ability to implement and maintain a reasonable level of due diligence to ensure your employees aren't loaded at work.

If they piss hot after an incident, it's on them, not you, if you have an active drug-free workforce policy in place and you had no reason to believe they were coming to work high.

What you just parroted is the same dumb shit employers have been squawking about since Nixon. Gotta get them dopers. You'll note that they only breathalyze people for the amount of ETOH in their system at that moment. The same should be true for other mind altering substances. If you can't prove that the employee was high on the job, it shouldn't matter that they were high at some point in the last few weeks.

Now, if you, as an employer, just don't want to hire drug users .... fine. Just say that. Don't make up a bunch of fictitious arguments with no bearing in the realities of the day to day "blue collar" job sites. Also, if you, as an employee, don't want to work with dopers ... quit. Don't go crying about how they need to be fired because they prefer to take pills or smoke dope instead of getting loaded on their free time.
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 10:38:33 AM EDT
Back in the 70's some of us got word that the local cops had this fancy new drug sniffing dog and the principal wanted to let the dog run the lockers.  
Well, several people of dubious interest went and found some ditch weed and wiped lightly said ditch across a very good number of lockers by the lower vents in the HS the night before.  

Let's just say that dog was a one and done in my school.  
After the first several lockers and not finding anything they left.
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 10:52:18 AM EDT
I couldn't imagine working in an environment where you are tested for anything that you might do on your own time.
"you're fired because you tested positive for weed/gunpowder/powdered sugar"......really?
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So you are Ok with your employees getting stoned, shooting up, snorting or popping pills a half hour before going to your job site?
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You posted that at like 730am, General Grant
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Back in the 70's some of us got word that the local cops had this fancy new drug sniffing dog and the principal wanted to let the dog run the lockers.  
Well, several people of dubious interest went and found some ditch weed and wiped lightly said ditch across a very good number of lockers by the lower vents in the HS the night before.  

Let's just say that dog was a one and done in my school.  
After the first several lockers and not finding anything they left.
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Wow, exceptionally intelligent stoners.  Who knew...
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 11:00:46 AM EDT
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Pissing hot and being high on the job aren't the same thing. Your insurance, OSHA, any other regulatory agency only cares about your ability to implement and maintain a reasonable level of due diligence to ensure your employees aren't loaded at work.

If they piss hot after an incident, it's on them, not you, if you have an active drug-free workforce policy in place and you had no reason to believe they were coming to work high.

What you just parroted is the same dumb shit employers have been squawking about since Nixon. Gotta get them dopers. You'll note that they only breathalyze people for the amount of ETOH in their system at that moment. The same should be true for other mind altering substances. If you can't prove that the employee was high on the job, it shouldn't matter that they were high at some point in the last few weeks.

Now, if you, as an employer, just don't want to hire drug users .... fine. Just say that. Don't make up a bunch of fictitious arguments with no bearing in the realities of the day to day "blue collar" job sites. Also, if you, as an employee, don't want to work with dopers ... quit. Don't go crying about how they need to be fired because they prefer to take pills or smoke dope instead of getting loaded on their free time.
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I think drugs should all be legal.  However, when you sign on with us you sign on for the drug and contraband policy.  It is a document signed by all that work here.  Do not like it?  Work somewhere else.  Freedom is a two-way street.

Our safety record directly impacts us (bonuses) so it is not just an insurance/OSHA deal.
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 11:04:27 AM EDT
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So you are Ok with your employees getting stoned, shooting up, snorting or popping pills a half hour before going to your job site?
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You mean you hold your employees accountable only when working and gaining a pay check?

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So you are Ok with your employees getting stoned, shooting up, snorting or popping pills a half hour before going to your job site?
How about a few hits from the bottle?

It's about responsible use and personal time, vs. irresponsible use and personal time.

Comes in all flavors.

A.W.D.
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 11:07:42 AM EDT
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So you are Ok with your employees getting stoned, shooting up, snorting or popping pills a half hour before going to your job site?
What about that bottle of cough syrup I drank in the parking lot?
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I have never been subjected to a drug test at any of the handful of jobs I have had in the past 4 decades.  But then, I have never had a job where anyone else's safety might depend on me being sober.
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 11:14:29 AM EDT
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k9s here aren't allowed to go into the same room as students, they can only search lockers in unoccupied hallways.  

Kharn
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 11:53:35 AM EDT
Hell, some companies don't allow employee use of tobacco products, at all, ever.








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Link Posted: 4/21/2017 11:56:16 AM EDT
You mean San Jacinto day?
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k9s here aren't allowed to go into the same room as students, they can only search lockers in unoccupied hallways.  

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Based on how many HS students I see smoking weed just off school property, if they ever ran a K9 through the school they would probably have to suspend half the students.
k9s here aren't allowed to go into the same room as students, they can only search lockers in unoccupied hallways.  

Kharn
The HS I went to in New Mexico the dog was in class with students.   Pulled lots of kids out.
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 12:21:19 PM EDT
My work only tests pre employment and if someone gets hurt on the job. If I had to guess I'd say half the people there use drugs.
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 12:23:18 PM EDT
Our HR director joked that if she had to drug screen the office, we'd lose 85% of our talent. 
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It's usually insurance companies the pressure employers to do these tests.  That's why even if they legalize weed you still won't be able to use it and keep a good job at the same time.
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If it's legalized if the federal level they will be forced to apply the same standards as alcohol. Show up high or drunk they can fire you. Test an find trace amounts in your urinalysis but no signs of impairment. They can't do anything.

Several cases out of California and Colorado have already made their way into the federal courts.
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 12:34:34 PM EDT
If i gotta take a surprise piss test,your holding my dick for me while I do it.
What? You want my piss or not?
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 12:36:21 PM EDT
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Joke's on you, you'll pop hot for the next 30 days.
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 12:36:28 PM EDT
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I think drugs should all be legal.  However, when you sign on with us you sign on for the drug and contraband policy.  It is a document signed by all that work here.  Do not like it?  Work somewhere else.  Freedom is a two-way street.

Our safety record directly impacts us (bonuses) so it is not just an insurance/OSHA deal.
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Do you feel the same about an employer banning legally carried firearms by Permit holders on property?

Specifically guns locked in cars, or do you just quietly ignore said policy like 95% of all gun owners do?
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 12:38:21 PM EDT
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