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Posted: 5/4/2015 8:25:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/4/2015 8:26:16 AM EDT by Socio]
Want a lawless police force? Federalize it

In the wake of the Baltimore riots, Al Sharpton is calling for the federal takeover of local police. Like most ideas from the loathsome Rev. Sharpton, this is a lousy one. But since federalizing local police is actually an Obama administration idea, it's worth paying a bit more attention.

The idea behind federal supervision of local police forces is that it will make them more accountable. Instead of a bunch of presumptively racist, violent hicks running things on a local level, we'll see the cool professionalism of the national government in charge.

There are (at least) two problems with this approach. The first is that federal law enforcement, especially in recent years, hasn't exactly been a haven of cool professionalism. The second is that no law enforcement agency is very good at policing itself, meaning that a national police force is likely to be less accountable, not more. And there's a third problem, too, but we'll get to that in a minute.
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I can't believe this is in the USA Today and I nearly choked on my breakfast reading the "we'll see the cool professionalism of the national government in charge" sentence.

Federalizing the Police would be an unmitigated disaster, the imaginary view of a militarized police force waging war on the public would turn into reality as the corruption, lies, cover ups would become the norm on a national scale.
Link Posted: 5/4/2015 8:28:09 AM EDT
Well, the little "o" could always call in the UN, nationalize them and send them to the "hotspots".
Link Posted: 5/4/2015 8:29:41 AM EDT
The climate is only convenient because of the current leader.

If it were GWB it'd be a different outcry. You know and I know it.
Link Posted: 5/4/2015 8:33:57 AM EDT
I'd bet a paycheck that the federal employee Unions are behind this, too.

AFGE has got to be pushing and politicking hard for this...

Link Posted: 5/4/2015 8:35:51 AM EDT
We need police more like that FBI agent who shot someone breaking into his car from a 2nd story window in NYC. I'm sure Sharpton would love that.
Link Posted: 5/4/2015 8:36:38 AM EDT
FBHO and FAS.

Link Posted: 5/4/2015 8:36:52 AM EDT
Bringing the TSA to your door....
Link Posted: 5/4/2015 8:40:42 AM EDT
It would be easier to send agents to the departments and conduct a few interviews and ride alongs to audit the departments rather than taking them over entirely. Sheriff Joe must have really gotten u der 0bama's skin for them to want to take over state and local LE.

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Link Posted: 5/4/2015 8:40:54 AM EDT
In to see how many agree with Rev. Bobblehead.
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Originally Posted By chmodx:
The climate is only convenient because of the current leader.

If it were GWB it'd be a different outcry. You know and I know it.
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Not sure if sarcasm. Patriot act?
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Originally Posted By sixnine:
It would be easier to send agents to the departments and conduct a few interviews and ride alongs to audit the departments rather than taking them over entirely. Sheriff Joe must have really gotten u der 0bama's skin for them to want to take over state and local LE.

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This was/is an objective of Obama and his minions. Remember that little ditty about a national "peace force."
Link Posted: 5/4/2015 8:51:57 AM EDT
Does anyone actually think there will be a federalized force?
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Originally Posted By Tazaroo:
Does anyone actually think there will be a federalized force?
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How many cities are now operating under consent decrees?

Wait until the money from asset forfeiture dries up. Uncle Fed will be there to write the checks to keep those departments big and strong, and all they have to do is...exactly what they're told.
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Originally Posted By Tazaroo:
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Incrementally you can start to Federalize certain aspects of the police force.

Post WWII Europe they did that with the Police in East Bloc countries--slowly turning it into a national militia by asking people to "volunteer" to be federal police (militia) agents, then they started to ask why others hadn't joined "voluntarily." When the milicia/policia ratio was favorable they asked everyone to conscript or quit... or else.

Withdrawal of funding and replacing police chiefs/constables/sheriffs (or their Combloc equivalents) with Party members loyal to the Federal Commie gov't.

It was to make sure that no pockets of anti-commie resistance remained in the provinces away from central government.

Any true dictator in training knows that's the only way to bring the brilliance and equality of your law to every uneducated citizen of the land.
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Well...they're already testing it out in some cities...

I'm looking at you Birmingham...
Link Posted: 5/4/2015 8:57:04 AM EDT
There was a time in this country when an idea like this would be laughable.


There was a time in my life when I thought the Book of Revelation was science fiction.
Link Posted: 5/4/2015 8:57:18 AM EDT
Watch them cry about the militarized police then
Link Posted: 5/4/2015 8:57:55 AM EDT
They will need to remove local and state laws and institute a singular federal legal code in order to allow homogeneous enforcement across the states. That will be a great idea and politics would never dictate law.
Link Posted: 5/4/2015 8:58:04 AM EDT
Pretty scary to see the wave of support this is getting
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Why not it worked so well in Germany.
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Originally Posted By Tazaroo:
Does anyone actually think there will be a federalized force?
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Yup.
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I don't think it is logistically possible.

How many local law enforcement officers are there in this country? Millions?

That would more than double the amount of federal employees.

Don't get me wrong, the government would love to increase its size but it is just not possible.

We might see them try to install a federal official at every station to oversee operations. (like a commissar)
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I've never seen more unprofessional, unaccountable behavior than what I've seen from Feds. By no means all of them but enough to really cause me concern.
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The 2nd amendment is the original NSA and policing force. Maybe we could you know....go back to that. We don't need more government, we need less. A lot less.

FBHO
FAS
FNSA
FATF
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FHRC
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The Left is flapping themselves stupid over the idea: How else will they enforce every bureaucratic edict with zero regard to the wishes of the local population
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Originally Posted By Molotov357:


I don't think it is logistically possible.

How many local law enforcement officers are there in this country? Millions?

That would more than double the amount of federal employees.

Don't get me wrong, the government would love to increase its size but it is just not possible.

We might see them try to install a federal official at every station to oversee operations. (like a commissar)
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Originally Posted By Tazaroo:
Does anyone actually think there will be a federalized force?


I don't think it is logistically possible.

How many local law enforcement officers are there in this country? Millions?

That would more than double the amount of federal employees.

Don't get me wrong, the government would love to increase its size but it is just not possible.

We might see them try to install a federal official at every station to oversee operations. (like a commissar)



Actually, it is very possible. The Federal Government is not known for thinking ahead, or planning how to accomplish things. Ergo, come up with a scenario that justifies nationalization; develop a plan to establish control that doesn't recognize reality on the ground, be astonished that this plan doesn't work when you only apply 10% of the cash necessary; ask for 1000% more to 'fix' the issues. Take 10 years more to figure out that nothing has changed except who LEO's answer to.
Link Posted: 5/4/2015 9:15:38 AM EDT
Can I get some of those sweet Fed benefits then?
Link Posted: 5/4/2015 9:16:46 AM EDT
It would fail in a day. Policing is regional. It's cultural.
Link Posted: 5/4/2015 9:18:23 AM EDT
You would have no cops working a holiday if that ever happened
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I'm buying stock in 511 and Dockers if it happens.
Link Posted: 5/4/2015 9:29:02 AM EDT
I was arguing about this on FB the other day. I told this chick if you think we have a police state now, just wait until they federalize all local police. You'll be wishing for the "old" police state back so fast your head will spin.
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Originally Posted By chmodx:
The climate is only convenient because of the current leader.

If it were GWB it'd be a different outcry. You know and I know it.
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If it were GWB calling for it, the arguments would be the same, just the people making them would be different. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the groundwork for some shit like this wasn't slipped into the Patriot Act.

ETA: The scary part to me, is that _A federalized force, would likely send officers/agents to locales distant from their homes, where they have no ties to the community, and would be less reluctant to act inhumanely.
Link Posted: 5/4/2015 9:32:57 AM EDT
Sharpton is a tool and a fool. I'd rather disband the police and let the sheriff take over for the counties than have a nationalized police force. That's like giving guns to the Touch Some Arse.
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Originally Posted By Socio:
I can't believe this is in the USA Today and I nearly choked on my breakfast reading the "we'll see the cool professionalism of the national government in charge" sentence.
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Not that surprising. I don't think anyone, outside of fringe types, thinks it's a good idea, or even feasible, for that matter.
Link Posted: 5/4/2015 9:38:04 AM EDT
We're the government and we're here to help.
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What a novel and progressive idea!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicherheitspolizei
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All Airport screeners were federalized.
Not as many as local LE, but the process, procedures and precedent is there.
One small step for man, one giant leap for socialism
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Originally Posted By 1911SFOREVER:


How many cities are now operating under consent decrees?

Wait until the money from asset forfeiture dries up. Uncle Fed will be there to write the checks to keep those departments big and strong, and all they have to do is...exactly what they're told.
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Originally Posted By Tazaroo:
Does anyone actually think there will be a federalized force?


How many cities are now operating under consent decrees?

Wait until the money from asset forfeiture dries up. Uncle Fed will be there to write the checks to keep those departments big and strong, and all they have to do is...exactly what they're told.



This is how it will happen. .. There may never be a "nationalized" force but the .gov will gain control. .
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I think it's entirely possible to slowly phase in federal policing guidelines across the country, one department at a time. Tell the state governors they'll lose all federal funds unless their police departments comply with the new guidelines.
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If it were GWB calling for it, the arguments would be the same, just the people making them would be different. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the groundwork for some shit like this wasn't slipped into the Patriot Act.

ETA: The scary part to me, is that _A federalized force, would likely inevitably send officers/agents to locales distant from their homes, where they have no ties to the community, and would be less reluctant to act inhumanely.
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Originally Posted By chmodx:
The climate is only convenient because of the current leader.

If it were GWB it'd be a different outcry. You know and I know it.



If it were GWB calling for it, the arguments would be the same, just the people making them would be different. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the groundwork for some shit like this wasn't slipped into the Patriot Act.

ETA: The scary part to me, is that _A federalized force, would likely inevitably send officers/agents to locales distant from their homes, where they have no ties to the community, and would be less reluctant to act inhumanely.



Well, duh! That's how these things work
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well this certainly solves the problem of all those uppity police chiefs who said they would never enforce new gun laws
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As I recall hearing somewhere, most of the troops that were brought in to crush the pro-democracy demonstrations at Tiananmen Square were from outlying areas of China and didn't even speak the same dialect as the locals. That doesn't seem accidental.
Link Posted: 5/4/2015 9:57:37 AM EDT
I guess Al missed all the recent stories about the FBI's forensics methodologies being completely discredited.

He's a fucking idiot.

Forgive me for posting a story from Slate, but it's been reported everywhere... http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2015/04/fbi_s_flawed_forensics_expert_testimony_hair_analysis_bite_marks_fingerprints.html
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Originally Posted By mancow:
I've never seen more unprofessional, unaccountable behavior than what I've seen from Feds. By no means all of them but enough to really cause me concern.
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Link Posted: 5/4/2015 9:58:14 AM EDT
Will these American Federales also make arrests for things like tax evasion?
Link Posted: 5/4/2015 9:59:02 AM EDT
I guess Al missed all the recent stories about the FBI's forensics methodologies being completely discredited.

He's a fucking idiot.

Forgive me for posting a story from Slate, but it's been reported everywhere... http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2015/04/fbi_s_flawed_forensics_expert_testimony_hair_analysis_bite_marks_fingerprints.html
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Originally Posted By LibertyShip:
Bringing the TSA to your door....
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Or your bathroom....

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