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Posted: 5/4/2015 10:01:03 AM EDT
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It would fail in a day. Policing is regional. It's cultural. It's not about policing-it's about control This is what the STATE does. |
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Posted: 5/4/2015 10:29:30 AM EDT
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IMHO - This has been the plan for sometime. I think alot of what we're seeing, riots and charges of racisim, are part of the narrative to get the ball rolling.
Yeah I know, loosen the tinfoil and all but it seems that there is a campaign to discredit and build mistrust towards local and state law enforcement to replace them with something else... I hope I'm wrong but our government is getting out of control... 
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Posted: 5/4/2015 10:31:59 AM EDT
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I don't think it is logistically possible. How many local law enforcement officers are there in this country? Millions? That would more than double the amount of federal employees. Don't get me wrong, the government would love to increase its size but it is just not possible. We might see them try to install a federal official at every station to oversee operations. (like a commissar) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does anyone actually think there will be a federalized force? I don't think it is logistically possible. How many local law enforcement officers are there in this country? Millions? That would more than double the amount of federal employees. Don't get me wrong, the government would love to increase its size but it is just not possible. We might see them try to install a federal official at every station to oversee operations. (like a commissar) More jobs! I could see the federal government using that to their advantage. Imagine all of the new bureaucrats and employees that could be hired. |
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Posted: 5/4/2015 10:34:46 AM EDT
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IMHO - This has been the plan for sometime. I think alot of what we're seeing, riots and charges of racisim, are part of the narrative to get the ball rolling. Yeah I know, loosen the tinfoil and all but it seems that there is a campaign to discredit and build mistrust towards local and state law enforcement to replace them with something else... I hope I'm wrong but our government is getting out of control...
Interesting. Notice how the narrative has changed in the media to almost constant focus on "police abuse of blacks" and conveniently the idea is being strongly pushed for federalization of police forces Wouldn't be surprised. Obama would probably love to have his national police force before he leaves office |
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Posted: 5/4/2015 10:47:53 AM EDT
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National Guard is Federalized all the time.... explain to me why Federaling LE is wrong?
The only way I can see the Feds taking over American LE is to have all the thousands of different agencies and officers Dual Sworn to the Fed and whatever else they're sworn too. Also good luck with all the different standards in training and requirements. Hell, age alone will be interesting. Don't forget pay, benefits, and retirements. |
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Posted: 5/4/2015 10:50:34 AM EDT
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National Guard is Federalized all the time.... explain to me why Federaling LE is wrong? Go through airport security a few times and see if you still need further explanation.
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Posted: 5/4/2015 10:53:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think it is logistically possible. How many local law enforcement officers are there in this country? Millions? That would more than double the amount of federal employees. Don't get me wrong, the government would love to increase its size but it is just not possible. We might see them try to install a federal official at every station to oversee operations. (like a commissar) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Does anyone actually think there will be a federalized force? I don't think it is logistically possible. How many local law enforcement officers are there in this country? Millions? That would more than double the amount of federal employees. Don't get me wrong, the government would love to increase its size but it is just not possible. We might see them try to install a federal official at every station to oversee operations. (like a commissar) |
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Posted: 5/4/2015 10:54:59 AM EDT
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National Guard is Federalized all the time.... explain to me why Federaling LE is wrong? NGs are used when a state's governor decides to call them up. You don't see a bit of a states' rights issue with federalizing local police? Or the feds using it to backdoor their way into calling shots when it comes to inividual states' affairs? |
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Posted: 5/4/2015 11:09:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NGs are used when a state's governor decides to call them up. You don't see a bit of a states' rights issue with federalizing local police? Or the feds using it to backdoor their way into calling shots when it comes to inividual states' affairs? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: National Guard is Federalized all the time.... explain to me why Federaling LE is wrong? NGs are used when a state's governor decides to call them up. You don't see a bit of a states' rights issue with federalizing local police? Or the feds using it to backdoor their way into calling shots when it comes to inividual states' affairs? I'm not in favor of it and I know that the actual chance of it happening is slim to none. TSA wasn't a take over of LE. It was a Federal standardization of security checkpoints at airports. Before which, there was no standard and it was ad hoc between the airliners. It was a bunch of private contract companies before TSA. For the Feds to take over LE in the country you have all these different issues.
1. Pay and Benefits 2. Medical and Age requirements 3. Standards of Training 4. Equipment and Uniforms The big one is pay, benefits, requirements, and training. Good luck consolidating all that. You have agencies that pay shit to agencies that pay way more than whay the Feds can. Along with different requirements. A cop in FL is different than a cop in CA. Hell, some States have different standards between their cops. Once again.... it isn't going to happen. |
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Posted: 5/4/2015 11:24:56 AM EDT
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Did anyone read the article?
It was firmly against the idea, and was mainly a callout of Fed malfeasance and Sharpton's corruption.  RIFF, I guess. |
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Posted: 5/4/2015 12:02:32 PM EDT
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Did anyone read the article? It was firmly against the idea, and was mainly a callout of Fed malfeasance and Sharpton's corruption.
RIFF, I guess. Don't think anyone is disagreeing with the conclusion reached by the writer but continuing the discussion on the idea of fedealizing the police force...
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Posted: 5/4/2015 12:37:05 PM EDT
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National Guard is Federalized all the time.... explain to me why Federaling LE is wrong? The only way I can see the Feds taking over American LE is to have all the thousands of different agencies and officers Dual Sworn to the Fed and whatever else they're sworn too. Also good luck with all the different standards in training and requirements. Hell, age alone will be interesting. Don't forget pay, benefits, and retirements. National Guard is temporarily federalized and generally only when being deployed overseas. Federalizing LE will result in grossly inefficient and corrupt bureaucratic control leading to a vast increase in crime that costs 10x what law enforcement costs now. |
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Posted: 5/4/2015 1:01:18 PM EDT
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IMHO - This has been the plan for sometime. I think alot of what we're seeing, riots and charges of racisim, are part of the narrative to get the ball rolling. Yeah I know, loosen the tinfoil and all but it seems that there is a campaign to discredit and build mistrust towards local and state law enforcement to replace them with something else... I hope I'm wrong but our government is getting out of control...
This has been the progressive left's wet dream for decades. When I was a kid, dad had the support local police bumper sticker on the family truckster 
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Posted: 5/4/2015 9:41:55 PM EDT
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And when the State calls them up, the Feds counters those orders by Federalizing them. I'm not in favor of it and I know that the actual chance of it happening is slim to none. TSA wasn't a take over of LE. It was a Federal standardization of security checkpoints at airports. Before which, there was no standard and it was ad hoc between the airliners. It was a bunch of private contract companies before TSA. For the Feds to take over LE in the country you have all these different issues. 1. Pay and Benefits 2. Medical and Age requirements 3. Standards of Training 4. Equipment and Uniforms The big one is pay, benefits, requirements, and training. Good luck consolidating all that. You have agencies that pay shit to agencies that pay way more than whay the Feds can. Along with different requirements. A cop in FL is different than a cop in CA. Hell, some States have different standards between their cops. Once again.... it isn't going to happen. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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National Guard is Federalized all the time.... explain to me why Federaling LE is wrong? NGs are used when a state's governor decides to call them up. You don't see a bit of a states' rights issue with federalizing local police? Or the feds using it to backdoor their way into calling shots when it comes to inividual states' affairs? I'm not in favor of it and I know that the actual chance of it happening is slim to none. TSA wasn't a take over of LE. It was a Federal standardization of security checkpoints at airports. Before which, there was no standard and it was ad hoc between the airliners. It was a bunch of private contract companies before TSA. For the Feds to take over LE in the country you have all these different issues. 1. Pay and Benefits 2. Medical and Age requirements 3. Standards of Training 4. Equipment and Uniforms The big one is pay, benefits, requirements, and training. Good luck consolidating all that. You have agencies that pay shit to agencies that pay way more than whay the Feds can. Along with different requirements. A cop in FL is different than a cop in CA. Hell, some States have different standards between their cops. Once again.... it isn't going to happen. Unsubsidized mandates. Just like the control of the airwaves is regulated by FCC. I could see a similar model happening where "licensing" requires adherence to a multitude of standards. If that cost is prohibitive, so be it. |
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