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Posted: 9/17/2009 1:33:51 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2009 1:34:23 PM EST by freeride21a]
Took a wrong turn today here in the Netherlands. Was in farm country out near Nijmegen where operation market garden went down.. Asked for directions at the farm we turned into, said a few things about WW2 and the owner of the farm said.. let me show you something! He unlocked a room in his barn and what he had was a collection of everything he has turned up in the 28 years on his farm!!! Including this!

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 1:35:42 PM EST
Holy bollox! That is cool as hell!. Is there any damage to the helmet or did it just get blown off with some scalp?
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 1:36:37 PM EST
is that an enfield in the backgroud?
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 1:38:43 PM EST

Originally Posted By Berzerker77:
Holy bollox! That is cool as hell!. Is there any damage to the helmet or did it just get blown off with some scalp?
Did not see any damage to the helmet.

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 1:39:20 PM EST
Killin Natzees
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 1:39:21 PM EST
Hard core.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 1:40:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By Cuda:
is that an enfield in the backgroud?

Looks like only half of an Enfield.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 1:41:08 PM EST
Nice German helmet with little German inside.––IS
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 1:41:12 PM EST

Originally Posted By Cuda:
is that an enfield in the backgroud?

Yes. He also had about 7 live 75mm pack howitzer rounds in the room... none had fuses on them so they were unfired and probably from the same spot.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 1:42:36 PM EST
Well I guess one can say without reservation THAT helmet IS an original-

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 1:44:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By OldFalGuy:
Well I guess one can say without reservation THAT helmet IS an original-


He had a mess of others too, US, brit, other german including an odd one, arty or mounted maybe.

His farm is at ground zero for where everyone dropped in for Operation Market Garden..with a battle line that went back and forth for a number of days.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 1:48:04 PM EST
Yikeeze!
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 1:48:35 PM EST
I wonder if the Germans padded the insides of them helmet with horse hair or something? It looks like there is some covering over half of it.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 1:52:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By freeride21a:

Originally Posted By OldFalGuy:
Well I guess one can say without reservation THAT helmet IS an original-


He had a mess of others too, US, brit, other german including an odd one, arty or mounted maybe.

His farm is at ground zero for where everyone dropped in for Operation Market Garden..with a battle line that went back and forth for a number of days.

Weird one could have been a fallschirmjager helmet?

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 1:54:42 PM EST

Originally Posted By kraftwerk:
I wonder if the Germans padded the insides of them helmet with horse hair or something? It looks like there is some covering over half of it.

Ok I talked to my father who heard more about it.. It was from a buried pile of gear on the guys land, the pile of gear is from where near the Germans buried a bunch of their dead. It is real people hair.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 1:56:52 PM EST
I spy a SMLE.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 1:58:37 PM EST

Originally Posted By DemonicLemming:

Originally Posted By freeride21a:

Originally Posted By OldFalGuy:
Well I guess one can say without reservation THAT helmet IS an original-


He had a mess of others too, US, brit, other german including an odd one, arty or mounted maybe.

His farm is at ground zero for where everyone dropped in for Operation Market Garden..with a battle line that went back and forth for a number of days.

Weird one could have been a fallschirmjager helmet?


Just figured it out..it was a dutch helmet.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 2:01:50 PM EST
Really cool stuff!
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 2:07:42 PM EST
Animal hair!! Sorry!!

1. It's too long to have been soldier hair as the German enlisted troops as did ours had crew cuts.

2. Human hair fades greatly over time, if it was human hair it would look blond no matter what color it really was when the guy was seperated from it. Especially after being out in the weather. I have Locks of hair cut off my ancestors that were stored even out of light exposure and it still turned blond over the years since it was snipped and stored.

I have a German Stahlhelmut found in a local scrapyard when i was a kid, needs the runst removed and repainted and their is no liner but i have the helmet itself. BTW, Anybody know where i can find a liner? Doesn't have to be original just operational, you know so i can wear it for parties and such.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 2:08:31 PM EST
Talk about some collectibles, damn.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 2:09:29 PM EST
When a body decomposes, the hair will often fall off the skull pretty much intact. If the head was still in the helmet, could explain the hair found in the helmet.....
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 2:10:20 PM EST
Cool but yea - not WW2 German hair.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 2:17:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2009 2:19:12 PM EST by doc_Zox]
waffen-sasquatch
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 2:19:39 PM EST
Originally Posted By Fireguy3:

1. It's too long to have been soldier hair as the German enlisted troops as did ours had crew cuts.



Sorry to say, this is wrong. It was popular in the German Heer to wear their hair long on top, short on the sides.

http://www.272nd.org/appearance/hairlong.jpg

http://www.ablogabouthistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/battle.png

http://img2.photographersdirect.com/img/16398/wm/pd2083824.jpg

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 2:21:52 PM EST
Originally Posted By guardian855:
When a body decomposes, the hair will often fall off the skull pretty much intact. If the head was still in the helmet, could explain the hair found in the helmet.....


Yep, so what did he do with the rest of the body?
If he found the soldiers ID tag authorities may be able to identify the remains and give them a proper burial.

German helmets had a horsehide liner that was rivited to the outside of the helmet, there was no padding.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 2:23:58 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 2:24:02 PM EST
He's going to clone undead nazi super soldiers
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 2:26:36 PM EST

Originally Posted By kraftwerk:
I wonder if the Germans padded the insides of them helmet with horse hair or something? It looks like there is some covering over half of it.

The germans used HUMAN hair for padding and other things quite often. They would use hair from the concentration camps as socks to prevent noise on U-Boats
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 2:37:34 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2009 2:39:51 PM EST by freeride21a]
It is human hair. It is lighter than it looks in the photo, it was also finer. I was taking photos with an ultra wide angle lens in low light..i had to use ISO 1600 to take the photos at 1/50s f/3.5

Also, it is not cut hair.. it was still in clumps in spots.. congealed together at the roots. There was no skin as far as i could tell. My guess is the soldier had started decomposing and when the helmet was removed for burial, the hair came off with it pulling right out. That would also explain the crud in it.. decomposing juices.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 2:56:29 PM EST
Originally Posted By retgarr:

Originally Posted By kraftwerk:
I wonder if the Germans padded the insides of them helmet with horse hair or something? It looks like there is some covering over half of it.

The germans used HUMAN hair for padding and other things quite often. They would use hair from the concentration camps as socks to prevent noise on U-Boats


Link Posted: 9/17/2009 3:28:13 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2009 3:28:46 PM EST by OlSarge2K]
Originally Posted By thunderw21:
Originally Posted By Fireguy3:

1. It's too long to have been soldier hair as the German enlisted troops as did ours had crew cuts.



Sorry to say, this is wrong. It was popular in the German Heer to wear their hair long on top, short on the sides.

http://www.272nd.org/appearance/hairlong.jpg

http://www.ablogabouthistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/battle.png

http://img2.photographersdirect.com/img/16398/wm/pd2083824.jpg



+1. Way Wrong on the short hair. Part of the mystique of the German Army as an invincible fighting machine came from the ability of troops to have cool looking hair no matter how long they had been in the field.

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 3:34:42 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 3:38:51 PM EST

Originally Posted By garwj:
He's going to clone undead nazi super soldiers

It will be just like Dead Snow.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 3:43:03 PM EST
Originally Posted By kraftwerk:
I wonder if the Germans padded the insides of them helmet with horse hair or something? It looks like there is some covering over half of it.

Liner is just steet bands and leather

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 3:46:58 PM EST

Was there any of the decal left?

If it had a couple lightening bolts on it, that would be quite a find.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 3:50:09 PM EST
That's really cool. If I lived in an area of the sort, I'd be digging all day.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 3:50:41 PM EST
Originally Posted By jd1:
Originally Posted By retgarr:

Originally Posted By kraftwerk:
I wonder if the Germans padded the insides of them helmet with horse hair or something? It looks like there is some covering over half of it.

The germans used HUMAN hair for padding and other things quite often. They would use hair from the concentration camps as socks to prevent noise on U-Boats




Well documented. Hit the library.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 3:52:02 PM EST
holy shit
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 3:58:13 PM EST
I guarantee that there was a skull attached to that thing for a VERY long period of time.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:02:24 PM EST
Originally Posted By Rogue-Sasquatch:
Originally Posted By jd1:
Originally Posted By retgarr:

Originally Posted By kraftwerk:
I wonder if the Germans padded the insides of them helmet with horse hair or something? It looks like there is some covering over half of it.

The germans used HUMAN hair for padding and other things quite often. They would use hair from the concentration camps as socks to prevent noise on U-Boats




Well documented. Hit the library.


Human hair was sometimes woven into wool socks. Socks were not completely made from hair. And I've never heard of the hair coming from concentration camps, though that doesn't mean it's not true. I'd need confirmation either way.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:03:03 PM EST
Originally Posted By OlSarge2K:
Originally Posted By thunderw21:
Originally Posted By Fireguy3:

1. It's too long to have been soldier hair as the German enlisted troops as did ours had crew cuts.



Sorry to say, this is wrong. It was popular in the German Heer to wear their hair long on top, short on the sides.

http://www.272nd.org/appearance/hairlong.jpg

http://www.ablogabouthistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/battle.png

http://img2.photographersdirect.com/img/16398/wm/pd2083824.jpg



+1. Way Wrong on the short hair. Part of the mystique of the German Army as an invincible fighting machine came from the ability of troops to have cool looking hair no matter how long they had been in the field.



This. Have seen lots of footage of german solders with hair buzzed on the sides and long on top, now if thats human hair or not is a different story!

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:03:54 PM EST
Creepy old farm dude.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:05:52 PM EST
Originally Posted By Fireguy3:
Animal hair!! Sorry!!

1. It's too long to have been soldier hair as the German enlisted troops as did ours had crew cuts.

2. Human hair fades greatly over time, if it was human hair it would look blond no matter what color it really was when the guy was seperated from it. Especially after being out in the weather. I have Locks of hair cut off my ancestors that were stored even out of light exposure and it still turned blond over the years since it was snipped and stored.

I have a German Stahlhelmut found in a local scrapyard when i was a kid, needs the runst removed and repainted and their is no liner but i have the helmet itself. BTW, Anybody know where i can find a liner? Doesn't have to be original just operational, you know so i can wear it for parties and such.



My dad had a lock of his mothers hair that I put in his shirt pocket in his caskethe day of his funeral, it was as black as it was the day it was cutt off about 40 years ago.

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:20:55 PM EST
Originally Posted By txharleyrider:
Originally Posted By Fireguy3:
Animal hair!! Sorry!!

1. It's too long to have been soldier hair as the German enlisted troops as did ours had crew cuts.

2. Human hair fades greatly over time, if it was human hair it would look blond no matter what color it really was when the guy was seperated from it. Especially after being out in the weather. I have Locks of hair cut off my ancestors that were stored even out of light exposure and it still turned blond over the years since it was snipped and stored.

I have a German Stahlhelmut found in a local scrapyard when i was a kid, needs the runst removed and repainted and their is no liner but i have the helmet itself. BTW, Anybody know where i can find a liner? Doesn't have to be original just operational, you know so i can wear it for parties and such.



My dad had a lock of his mothers hair that I put in his shirt pocket in his caskethe day of his funeral, it was as black as it was the day it was cutt off about 40 years ago.



right, I wouldn't believe that unless a forensic anthropologist said it
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:33:14 PM EST
Originally Posted By Fireguy3:
Animal hair!! Sorry!!

1. It's too long to have been soldier hair as the German enlisted troops as did ours had crew cuts.

.


Sorry, but no, 40's hair style both for our side and theres was longer hair. the crew cut didnt become a true military standard until the 50's and 60's
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:33:25 PM EST
Originally Posted By thunderw21:
Originally Posted By Fireguy3:

1. It's too long to have been soldier hair as the German enlisted troops as did ours had crew cuts.



Sorry to say, this is wrong. It was popular in the German Heer to wear their hair long on top, short on the sides.




Das anti-mullet
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:40:25 PM EST
Originally Posted By TheBigStink:
Originally Posted By txharleyrider:
Originally Posted By Fireguy3:
Animal hair!! Sorry!!

1. It's too long to have been soldier hair as the German enlisted troops as did ours had crew cuts.

2. Human hair fades greatly over time, if it was human hair it would look blond no matter what color it really was when the guy was seperated from it. Especially after being out in the weather. I have Locks of hair cut off my ancestors that were stored even out of light exposure and it still turned blond over the years since it was snipped and stored.

I have a German Stahlhelmut found in a local scrapyard when i was a kid, needs the runst removed and repainted and their is no liner but i have the helmet itself. BTW, Anybody know where i can find a liner? Doesn't have to be original just operational, you know so i can wear it for parties and such.



My dad had a lock of his mothers hair that I put in his shirt pocket in his caskethe day of his funeral, it was as black as it was the day it was cutt off about 40 years ago.



right, I wouldn't believe that unless a forensic anthropologist said it


My mom has some of my hair from my first hair cut 34 years ago, it is just as red and curly as the day it was cut.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 5:22:40 PM EST
Originally Posted By freeride21a:
It is human hair. It is lighter than it looks in the photo, it was also finer. I was taking photos with an ultra wide angle lens in low light..i had to use ISO 1600 to take the photos at 1/50s f/3.5

Also, it is not cut hair.. it was still in clumps in spots.. congealed together at the roots. There was no skin as far as i could tell. My guess is the soldier had started decomposing and when the helmet was removed for burial, the hair came off with it pulling right out. That would also explain the crud in it.. decomposing juices.


OP, what did you catch that Largemouth with?

Looks kinda puney
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 5:32:25 PM EST
Originally Posted By Fireguy3:
Animal hair!! Sorry!!

1. It's too long to have been soldier hair as the German enlisted troops as did ours had crew cuts.

2. Human hair fades greatly over time, if it was human hair it would look blond no matter what color it really was when the guy was seperated from it. Especially after being out in the weather. I have Locks of hair cut off my ancestors that were stored even out of light exposure and it still turned blond over the years since it was snipped and stored.

I have a German Stahlhelmut found in a local scrapyard when i was a kid, needs the runst removed and repainted and their is no liner but i have the helmet itself. BTW, Anybody know where i can find a liner? Doesn't have to be original just operational, you know so i can wear it for parties and such.



Go here for your liner. You can send him the helmet and have a liner installed. Grigsby is one of the best for helmet restoration.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 5:45:26 PM EST
OP, was that close to where DK-Prof was born?
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 5:46:59 PM EST
Originally Posted By kraftwerk:
I wonder if the Germans padded the insides of them helmet with horse hair or something? It looks like there is some covering over half of it.


Could be hair from Jewish people.

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