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Posted: 1/18/2015 12:09:32 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/18/2015 12:10:04 AM EST by NagOrzo15-1]
Well, the president wants to put a back door in encryption. You'll start to hear about how easy it would be to incorporate ADKs (alternate decryption keys) into the existing architecture, and all the safeguards.

But the government can't get past the "Russian Doll" issue. Encryption inside of encryption. They can wrap the infrastructure of the internet in a layer of bullshit with a back door. But they can't keep folks from encrypting what GOES IN to that bullshit grinder.

So, its time for another ARFCOM PGP thread. And its not a bad idea to get yourself set up with non-back-doored software before the powers that be start to disappear all the secure versions from the 'net. (Hah, hah, that will be something to watch....)

I commend to you the last thread which includes some good tutorial type stuff: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1527553_.html



If you post a public key, I recommend you make one specifically for ARFCOM. It should use an email address you don't mind being public or simply use your screen name "@AR15.COM" (a non valid address but sufficient for our purposes). I use a single-purpose AOL email address solely for these boards, so I don't mind it being available for folks to see. My public key is below. Post yours and lets exchange some recipes for grandma's meatlof or something.

And.... go!


-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Version: GnuPG v1

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=mbl2
-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 12:13:12 AM EST
I heard about David Cameron wanting to do that, but not anything in this country. Link?
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 12:16:31 AM EST
Someone should con persuade the AR15.com admins into setup a PGP key server.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 12:21:06 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Snips:
I heard about David Cameron wanting to do that, but not anything in this country. Link?
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Here's the thread from earlier on that.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1708486_Obama__Gov_t_Shouldn_t_Be_Hampered_By_Encrypted_Communications.html
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 12:40:04 AM EST
Encryption within encryption....now where have I heard that before?
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 2:13:57 AM EST
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Originally Posted By OrionS:
Encryption within encryption....now where have I heard that before?
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Not sure of the point? Could you elaborate?
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 2:19:44 AM EST
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Originally Posted By JosephK:
Someone should con persuade the AR15.com admins into setup a PGP key server.
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Only if that server is located in a country where the DOJ has no ability to influence or get cooperation from.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 1:44:58 PM EST
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Originally Posted By sterling18:
Only if that server is located in a country where the DOJ has no ability to influence or get cooperation from.
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Originally Posted By sterling18:
Originally Posted By JosephK:
Someone should con persuade the AR15.com admins into setup a PGP key server.
Only if that server is located in a country where the DOJ has no ability to influence or get cooperation from.



Well, PGP is designed around the assumption a public key server could be compromised.

See, the public key is supposed to be public. That's why there are facilities in the software to sign each others' public keys, and develop a web of trust. That way if an adversary replaces your public key on the hope I'll send you something but actually encrypt it to them, I can see it coming by looking at the fingerprint of the key, verifying signatures, etc.

Link Posted: 1/18/2015 6:19:59 PM EST
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA256

The problem I have with every key pair I make, is that I go and forget the passphrase BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE USES PGP or any other encryption scheme that is not 100% transparent to the end user. Who knows if the gnupg binaries or even source code is clean, these days.

That, and PGP sucks for group discussions unless you're just doing signatures. Wait till you try signing your posts here with PGP. Two thirds of GD will Absolutely. Lose. Their. Shit.

Watch...

«tc2k11»
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Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux)

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=Bnd+
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 6:22:43 PM EST
I have zero clue how any of this works.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 6:29:39 PM EST
Here's my public key, I guess. OP, I think you may have imported a previous key of mine, which you may disregard, as I have forgotten that key's passphrase.

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«tc2k11»
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 6:35:38 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/18/2015 7:05:56 PM EST by trapster100]
RSA or DSA?

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KphoCh5s4GEiHJpEu29mgaFKfhDMbS30s0/wL6RbLjWWSK11qE8PhaltyUpSYrk6
=rIQ5
-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 6:41:02 PM EST
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Link Posted: 1/18/2015 6:41:29 PM EST
I give exactly zero fucks about O's encryption opinions. The functions are open source. They're based on math and even POTUS himself can't invalidate math.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 6:43:28 PM EST
Cool.
This should be standard for all email and text.

Does anyone have a built in encryption (public / private cryptosystem kind) that's transparent. If you are texting a user who has a public key on a server, it automatically uses it, and if not, it acts like a normal text message.

Link Posted: 1/18/2015 7:17:48 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ad_nauseam:
Cool.
This should be standard for all email and text.

Does anyone have a built in encryption (public / private cryptosystem kind) that's transparent. If you are texting a user who has a public key on a server, it automatically uses it, and if not, it acts like a normal text message.

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so there's mailvelope for gmail (chrome based) - textsecure (doesn't use PGP, I don't think) and redphone


Link Posted: 1/18/2015 7:20:43 PM EST
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Only if that server is located in a country where the DOJ has no ability to influence or get cooperation from.
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Originally Posted By JosephK:
Someone should con persuade the AR15.com admins into setup a PGP key server.
Only if that server is located in a country where the DOJ has no ability to influence or get cooperation from.


Like Texas?

Link Posted: 1/18/2015 7:21:58 PM EST
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA256

The problem I have with every key pair I make, is that I go and forget the passphrase BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE USES PGP or any other encryption scheme that is not 100% transparent to the end user. Who knows if the gnupg binaries or even source code is clean, these days.

That, and PGP sucks for group discussions unless you're just doing signatures. Wait till you try signing your posts here with PGP. Two thirds of GD will Absolutely. Lose. Their. Shit.

Watch...

«tc2k11»
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux)

iF4EAREIAAYFAlS8PrcACgkQnSVKlIAAwHxOkwD/RbB3JmPiAmJXTiwJQz1w+YEI
7XQh91yr9KifKis/TsMA+QEapuVHRRrMmtJR5ixZBxBCEvFwUIoqJLHLmV0xB­7Hf
=Bnd+
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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I think my version is clean. It is about 10 years old.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 7:26:28 PM EST
You've lost me. I figured out truecrypt easily enough before that group mysteriously vanished. It's enough for me that any random crackhead who breaks in and steals my PC won't be able to access my stash of midget porn.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 7:41:37 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ad_nauseam:
Cool.
This should be standard for all email and text.

Does anyone have a built in encryption (public / private cryptosystem kind) that's transparent. If you are texting a user who has a public key on a server, it automatically uses it, and if not, it acts like a normal text message.

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Thunderbird plus the enigmail plugin will automatically encrypt emails to people for whom you have their PGP key, and send in the clear for others.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/thunderbird/addon/enigmail/

For phones RedPhone for Android and Signal for iOS, they can cross talk too which is nice, so you don't need the same OS as who you're talking with. Cryptocat allows encrypted text messaging.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 7:51:25 PM EST
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I think my version is clean. It is about 10 years old.
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Originally Posted By tc2k11:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA256

The problem I have with every key pair I make, is that I go and forget the passphrase BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE USES PGP or any other encryption scheme that is not 100% transparent to the end user. Who knows if the gnupg binaries or even source code is clean, these days.

That, and PGP sucks for group discussions unless you're just doing signatures. Wait till you try signing your posts here with PGP. Two thirds of GD will Absolutely. Lose. Their. Shit.

Watch...

«tc2k11»
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux)

iF4EAREIAAYFAlS8PrcACgkQnSVKlIAAwHxOkwD/RbB3JmPiAmJXTiwJQz1w+YEI
7XQh91yr9KifKis/TsMA+QEapuVHRRrMmtJR5ixZBxBCEvFwUIoqJLHLmV0xB­7Hf
=Bnd+
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----



I think my version is clean. It is about 10 years old.


Its not worth signing posts on ARFCOM because the forum software sometimes replaces "space-space" with a single space, and (used to) replace double dashes with a single dash -- various optimizations that keep the signatures from ever hashing out right anyway.


ETA: Your signed post above worked fine.
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I think my version is clean. It is about 10 years old.
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Originally Posted By tc2k11:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA256

The problem I have with every key pair I make, is that I go and forget the passphrase BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE USES PGP or any other encryption scheme that is not 100% transparent to the end user. Who knows if the gnupg binaries or even source code is clean, these days.

That, and PGP sucks for group discussions unless you're just doing signatures. Wait till you try signing your posts here with PGP. Two thirds of GD will Absolutely. Lose. Their. Shit.

Watch...

«tc2k11»
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux)

iF4EAREIAAYFAlS8PrcACgkQnSVKlIAAwHxOkwD/RbB3JmPiAmJXTiwJQz1w+YEI
7XQh91yr9KifKis/TsMA+QEapuVHRRrMmtJR5ixZBxBCEvFwUIoqJLHLmV0xB­7Hf
=Bnd+
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----



I think my version is clean. It is about 10 years old.


When I downloaded PGP 6.5.8ckt years and years ago ('02 or '03), the author had accidentally signed the archive and then added the signature to the zip. Which meant it didn't check out even when the signature file was removed and rezipped. I emailed him, and he sent me the new signature in a signed email. So I know that at least that version of PGP is legit. I know it works on Windows 7 if installed with admin privileges, but haven't played with it in a while.


Link Posted: 1/18/2015 8:06:01 PM EST
Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1:
Well, the president wants to put a back door in encryption. You'll start to hear about how easy it would be to incorporate ADKs (alternate decryption keys) into the existing architecture, and all the safeguards.

But the government can't get past the "Russian Doll" issue. Encryption inside of encryption. They can wrap the infrastructure of the internet in a layer of bullshit with a back door. But they can't keep folks from encrypting what GOES IN to that bullshit grinder.

So, its time for another ARFCOM PGP thread. And its not a bad idea to get yourself set up with non-back-doored software before the powers that be start to disappear all the secure versions from the 'net. (Hah, hah, that will be something to watch....)

I commend to you the last thread which includes some good tutorial type stuff: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1527553_.html



If you post a public key, I recommend you make one specifically for ARFCOM. It should use an email address you don't mind being public or simply use your screen name "@AR15.COM" (a non valid address but sufficient for our purposes). I use a single-purpose AOL email address solely for these boards, so I don't mind it being available for folks to see. My public key is below. Post yours and lets exchange some recipes for grandma's meatlof or something.

And.... go!

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You trying to piss off Goatboy? Username@ar15.com IS a valid address for Gold members and up.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 8:16:52 PM EST
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You trying to piss off Goatboy? Username@ar15.com IS a valid address for Gold members and up.
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Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1:
Well, the president wants to put a back door in encryption. You'll start to hear about how easy it would be to incorporate ADKs (alternate decryption keys) into the existing architecture, and all the safeguards.

But the government can't get past the "Russian Doll" issue. Encryption inside of encryption. They can wrap the infrastructure of the internet in a layer of bullshit with a back door. But they can't keep folks from encrypting what GOES IN to that bullshit grinder.

So, its time for another ARFCOM PGP thread. And its not a bad idea to get yourself set up with non-back-doored software before the powers that be start to disappear all the secure versions from the 'net. (Hah, hah, that will be something to watch....)

I commend to you the last thread which includes some good tutorial type stuff: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1527553_.html



If you post a public key, I recommend you make one specifically for ARFCOM. It should use an email address you don't mind being public or simply use your screen name "@AR15.COM" (a non valid address but sufficient for our purposes). I use a single-purpose AOL email address solely for these boards, so I don't mind it being available for folks to see. My public key is below. Post yours and lets exchange some recipes for grandma's meatlof or something.

And.... go!

...


You trying to piss off Goatboy? Username@ar15.com IS a valid address for Gold members and up.


So what? I can write an email to "sarah.brady@ar15.com" from the corner kiosk. It will fail at the lookup level and cost the server less effort than receiving and storing this post.

Setting up a key and then using that key to post and receive messages does nothing implicating the actual arfcom email server.

Its just a way to identify the PGP user and key as belonging to this forum. Also. since any given user would be the only one entitled to purchase an ar15.com "gold" email address with that particular user name at the front, its not like this is even an issue. Using that as a way to set up the keys might even encourage some gold membership purchases.

In other words, chill out.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 8:32:40 PM EST
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My public key.
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I give exactly zero fucks about O's encryption opinions. The functions are open source. They're based on math and even POTUS himself can't invalidate math.
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Humpfff. Thanks for giving him that idea.
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Humpfff. Thanks for giving him that idea.
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Originally Posted By xerxes2695:
I give exactly zero fucks about O's encryption opinions. The functions are open source. They're based on math and even POTUS himself can't invalidate math.

Humpfff. Thanks for giving him that idea.

2+2=5
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So what? I can write an email to "sarah.brady@ar15.com" from the corner kiosk. It will fail at the lookup level and cost the server less effort than receiving and storing this post.

Setting up a key and then using that key to post and receive messages does nothing implicating the actual arfcom email server.

Its just a way to identify the PGP user and key as belonging to this forum. Also. since any given user would be the only one entitled to purchase an ar15.com "gold" email address with that particular user name at the front, its not like this is even an issue. Using that as a way to set up the keys might even encourage some gold membership purchases.

In other words, chill out.
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Originally Posted By Mariner82:
Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1:
Well, the president wants to put a back door in encryption. You'll start to hear about how easy it would be to incorporate ADKs (alternate decryption keys) into the existing architecture, and all the safeguards.

But the government can't get past the "Russian Doll" issue. Encryption inside of encryption. They can wrap the infrastructure of the internet in a layer of bullshit with a back door. But they can't keep folks from encrypting what GOES IN to that bullshit grinder.

So, its time for another ARFCOM PGP thread. And its not a bad idea to get yourself set up with non-back-doored software before the powers that be start to disappear all the secure versions from the 'net. (Hah, hah, that will be something to watch....)

I commend to you the last thread which includes some good tutorial type stuff: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1527553_.html



If you post a public key, I recommend you make one specifically for ARFCOM. It should use an email address you don't mind being public or simply use your screen name "@AR15.COM" (a non valid address but sufficient for our purposes). I use a single-purpose AOL email address solely for these boards, so I don't mind it being available for folks to see. My public key is below. Post yours and lets exchange some recipes for grandma's meatlof or something.

And.... go!

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You trying to piss off Goatboy? Username@ar15.com IS a valid address for Gold members and up.


So what? I can write an email to "sarah.brady@ar15.com" from the corner kiosk. It will fail at the lookup level and cost the server less effort than receiving and storing this post.

Setting up a key and then using that key to post and receive messages does nothing implicating the actual arfcom email server.

Its just a way to identify the PGP user and key as belonging to this forum. Also. since any given user would be the only one entitled to purchase an ar15.com "gold" email address with that particular user name at the front, its not like this is even an issue. Using that as a way to set up the keys might even encourage some gold membership purchases.

In other words, chill out.

Listen, smartass, I used PGP since v0.8, until a couple years after Phil Zimmerman sold it to Symantec. It is worthless for forum posts such as on ARFCOM, as you have to encrypt your words of wisdom tie every single person. Add that it is not supported in Outlook, the most popular e-mail client used by business, the fact that and most people aren't smart enough to be able to use it. Believe me, I tried. Ran a keyserver and the whole nine yards. Once I realized that is when I gave up on PGP. It isn't worth the effort.
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Originally Posted By Mariner82:
Listen, smartass, I used PGP since v0.8, until a couple years after Phil Zimmerman sold it to Symantec. It is worthless for forum posts such as on ARFCOM, as you have to encrypt your words of wisdom tie every single person. Add that it is not supported in Outlook, the most popular e-mail client used by business, the fact that and most people aren't smart enough to be able to use it. Believe me, I tried. Ran a keyserver and the whole nine yards. Once I realized that is when I gave up on PGP. It isn't worth the effort.
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You're totally correct that for most people, engaging in mostly benign conversations, it's not worth the effort. I don't think it's so difficult that most people can't learn it, but most people don't care enough to, just like pretty much anything else. People generally only learn what they are made to by necessity, unless it's their hobby or something.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 9:22:22 PM EST
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Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1:



Here's the thread from earlier on that.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1708486_Obama__Gov_t_Shouldn_t_Be_Hampered_By_Encrypted_Communications.html
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Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1:
Originally Posted By Snips:
I heard about David Cameron wanting to do that, but not anything in this country. Link?



Here's the thread from earlier on that.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1708486_Obama__Gov_t_Shouldn_t_Be_Hampered_By_Encrypted_Communications.html


Thanks.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 9:33:08 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Locke556:

2+2=5
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Originally Posted By webtaz99:
Originally Posted By xerxes2695:
I give exactly zero fucks about O's encryption opinions. The functions are open source. They're based on math and even POTUS himself can't invalidate math.

Humpfff. Thanks for giving him that idea.

2+2=5


This is true, for sufficiently large values of 2.
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Originally Posted By Locke556:

You're totally correct that for most people, engaging in mostly benign conversations, it's not worth the effort. I don't think it's so difficult that most people can't learn it, but most people don't care enough to, just like pretty much anything else. People generally only learn what they are made to by necessity, unless it's their hobby or something.
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Originally Posted By Mariner82:
Listen, smartass, I used PGP since v0.8, until a couple years after Phil Zimmerman sold it to Symantec. It is worthless for forum posts such as on ARFCOM, as you have to encrypt your words of wisdom tie every single person. Add that it is not supported in Outlook, the most popular e-mail client used by business, the fact that and most people aren't smart enough to be able to use it. Believe me, I tried. Ran a keyserver and the whole nine yards. Once I realized that is when I gave up on PGP. It isn't worth the effort.

You're totally correct that for most people, engaging in mostly benign conversations, it's not worth the effort. I don't think it's so difficult that most people can't learn it, but most people don't care enough to, just like pretty much anything else. People generally only learn what they are made to by necessity, unless it's their hobby or something.


Its a real problem and I don't have a ready solution. It seems to me that it will take one of the biggies to "force" things. Just as Google is forcing deprecation of SHA1 signed SSL certs at the end of this year by causing Chrome to choke on those certs, GMAIL ought to jump in and fix the PGP thing. They seem to be headed there: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2146721/google-reportedly-working-on-making-email-encryption-easier.html Maybe they'll unfuck the keyserver situation and figure out a secure way to let browsers interact with local private keys, but that part is the biggest risk because browsers are security cluster fuck.

Still no reason why not to fuck with the NSA in the meantime by forcing them to collect and spend time on lots of bullshit inane crypto traffic. Hi guys! Shouldn't you be doing something more useful?

In that spirit, here is the recipe to my home made hot sauce encrypted to the keys that have been posted in the thread:

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Link Posted: 1/19/2015 2:19:30 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/19/2015 2:30:20 PM EST by NagOrzo15-1]
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Originally Posted By Mariner82:

Listen, smartass, I used PGP since v0.8, until a couple years after Phil Zimmerman sold it to Symantec. It is worthless for forum posts such as on ARFCOM, as you have to encrypt your words of wisdom tie every single person. Add that it is not supported in Outlook, the most popular e-mail client used by business, the fact that and most people aren't smart enough to be able to use it. Believe me, I tried. Ran a keyserver and the whole nine yards. Once I realized that is when I gave up on PGP. It isn't worth the effort.
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I agree with everything you just said, by and large. Protecting your privacy takes work. Most people won't.

I only DISagreed with your contention that my suggestion (taken from the previous PGP thread hat caused no problems I'm aware of) was somehow going to fuck with the site, or piss Goatboy off. I still think it will encourage folks to get ARFCOM email accounts. (In fact, I'd suggest the site offer that ala carte for purchase even without the gold, but that's just me).
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 2:41:21 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/19/2015 2:43:32 PM EST by tc2k11]
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Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1:

In that spirit, here is the recipe to my home made hot sauce encrypted to the keys that have been posted in the thread:

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Holy fucking shit! ROFL!

Yeah, so that's another problem with PGP. Short messages become LOOOONNNNNNGGGGGG!
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Originally Posted By Paul:
Private key management is where civilians always screw up. They put their thumb drive into computer that's not clean and the key is compromised. Either that or they don't keep the key securely on their person at all times.

The easiest way to break your pass phrase is with a sock and a $5 lock.
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Since the private key is encrypted with the protect cipher, having a good password on it generally addresses your first point for most modern versions of PGP that utilize the additional hash of the private key function introduced with PGP8. (My key in this thread doesn't, because the key was generated with an earlier software version, but I keep the key on an encrypted file container and everytime that container is mounted it autoruns a checksum utility of my own on the private key to check).

I am acutely aware of the "rubber hose" problem of course. The thing is that (a) it is something that comes into play as to someone who is actually a target in some sort of active investigation; and (b) it cannot be overused without starting a shooting war. The NSA can't beat the passwords out of even 100,000 people without causing havoc, so for purposes of dealing with the "capture the haystack problem" PGP is still viable protection.

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Originally Posted By Sedona:
I have zero clue how any of this works.
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Typically by using really really really big prime numbers.
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Originally Posted By LibertyUberAlles:

Typically by using really really really big prime numbers.
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Originally Posted By Sedona:
I have zero clue how any of this works.

Typically by using really really really big prime numbers.



Fairly good write up here: http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/10/a-relatively-easy-to-understand-primer-on-elliptic-curve-cryptography/

It focuses on EC as the trapdoor, but gives an example of RSA highly simplified.
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Originally Posted By Paul:
The easiest way to break your pass phrase is with a sock and a $5 lock.
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Yeah, but if you use bad crypto, it can be broken and your info exposed without you knowing anything has happened. If your method is used, however, you're bloody well going to know you've been compromised.
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 12:44:00 PM EST
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Yeah, but if you use bad crypto, it can be broken and your info exposed without you knowing anything has happened. If your method is used, however, you're bloody well going to know you've been compromised.
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Originally Posted By PercentMan:
Originally Posted By Paul:
The easiest way to break your pass phrase is with a sock and a $5 lock.


Yeah, but if you use bad crypto, it can be broken and your info exposed without you knowing anything has happened. If your method is used, however, you're bloody well going to know you've been compromised.



A great point. I was just looking at Google's security blog and it sure looks like they're revving up to make PGP a lot easier, including by having PGP keyservers of their own. http://googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.com/2014/12/an-update-to-end-to-end.html (see this nugget: "Indeed, those looking through the source code will see references to our key server, and it should come as no surprise that we’re working on one. Key distribution and management is one of the hardest usability problems with cryptography-related products...")


I just hope that, architecturally, they spend the time to create a downloadable app for each plat form, that operates from user space separate from the browser and has locked memory, that copies the text to be decrypted from the browser, handles encryption functions requiring the private key, and then pastes the text back in the browser. I will not use any solution that requires the browser to have access to both my private key and my pass phrase.
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