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Posted: 10/2/2004 11:44:07 AM EST
OK Lets get serious now. It seems to me that if the moderators are interpreting the COC to mean that images that are clearly art are unaccecpable because they show nudity we have a big problem. I was posting pictures from the Louvre Meuseum. cant get much more "Art" than that. Air craft nose decorations are widely concidered art too. Who are we trying to protect here anyway?

Lets please have a seriour discusion here. dont post any pictures that will get this locked!

Ben, The_Emu



Link Posted: 10/2/2004 11:46:27 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/2/2004 11:46:57 AM EST by DoubleFeed]
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Everything is fine just the way it is. Doublefeed is right on the money and TheBeerSlayer made the right call.

This is the Avila's house. And the house rules.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 11:53:14 AM EST
I think that the "Nose Art" did not violate COC rules. There are times where there are OBVIOUS porn and there is Art.

Locking the Nose Art thread was extreme. These are aircraft that are at airshows where kids walk around and they dont drape them there.

Sorry mods, have to disagree with your decision there.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 11:55:45 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 11:56:17 AM EST

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:
It might need to change, but Goatboy and EdSr have the final say. You need to convince THEM, and explain how such a change would not harm their goals for the site.



What are the goals for the site ???
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 11:57:05 AM EST
No - the CoC does not need to change.


The implementation/application of it might sometimes be tweaked one way or the other, but the CoC is fine.

And I'd like to say - in a completely non-sucking-up kind of way - that the mods generally do an outstandings job !
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Link Posted: 10/2/2004 11:58:22 AM EST

The COC, does it need to change?


No. Some faggot frog museum doesnt decide what happens ont his board. Phuck the louve and the frogs.

If I want art I will go to Manhattan.





Lifetime rebel against france's bitch ass.

Link Posted: 10/2/2004 11:58:29 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 11:59:12 AM EST

Originally Posted By DigDug:

Originally Posted By cyanide:

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:
It might need to change, but Goatboy and EdSr have the final say. You need to convince THEM, and explain how such a change would not harm their goals for the site.



What are the goals for the site ???



Why don't you ask them yourself?



Just did ???
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 11:59:53 AM EST

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:

Originally Posted By cyanide:

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:
It might need to change, but Goatboy and EdSr have the final say. You need to convince THEM, and explain how such a change would not harm their goals for the site.



What are the goals for the site ???

You somehow managed to miss the dozen or so posts from Goaty and EdSr?



Yes
please I am asking -- what are the goals for the site ???
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:00:21 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:01:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By DigDug:

Originally Posted By cyanide:

Originally Posted By DigDug:

Originally Posted By cyanide:

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:
It might need to change, but Goatboy and EdSr have the final say. You need to convince THEM, and explain how such a change would not harm their goals for the site.



What are the goals for the site ???



Why don't you ask them yourself?



Just did ???



Did you just send an IM to them? If not, you can't assume they read every thread.



You are their spokes people I am asking you what you think their goals are.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:01:54 PM EST

Originally Posted By cyanide:

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:

Originally Posted By cyanide:

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:
It might need to change, but Goatboy and EdSr have the final say. You need to convince THEM, and explain how such a change would not harm their goals for the site.



What are the goals for the site ???

You somehow managed to miss the dozen or so posts from Goaty and EdSr?



Yes
please I am asking -- what are the goals for the site ???





Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:02:51 PM EST

Originally Posted By Palo_Duro:

Originally Posted By cyanide:

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:

Originally Posted By cyanide:

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:
It might need to change, but Goatboy and EdSr have the final say. You need to convince THEM, and explain how such a change would not harm their goals for the site.



What are the goals for the site ???

You somehow managed to miss the dozen or so posts from Goaty and EdSr?



Yes
please I am asking -- what are the goals for the site ???








Palo enough -- get off of my case I am being civil here I request the same of you.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:05:48 PM EST

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:

Originally Posted By DrFrige:
I think that the "Nose Art" did not violate COC rules. There are times where there are OBVIOUS porn and there is Art.

Locking the Nose Art thread was extreme. These are aircraft that are at airshows where kids walk around and they dont drape them there.

Sorry mods, have to disagree with your decision there.



no problem with that from me. But i have seen accounts locked for much less severe pics. I'd rather lock the thread than lose a member.



I would rather see warnings and deleted pics than threads locked. I have seen way too many good threads locked because of some dipsh*t 'poisoning' the thread and it goes south FAST. As far as accounts locked, I dont know if the ones that were locked out (accounts) were issued warnings or not.

I have listen to members who have been locked out of ARFCOM on other boards and its amazing how they have changed their tune from how GREAT ARFCOM is to what a bunch of armchair commandos and immature twits we are.

I think that there has to be a modification to the disciplinary actions of this board to say who has had warnings so when the account is finally locked, there is a trail so no one asks "Where did ______ go?"
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:06:10 PM EST
Apparently it was too easy a question --- no answers from the mods .
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Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:08:02 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/2/2004 12:08:58 PM EST by cyanide]

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
cyanide,

here is a serious answer.

I have read MANY posts for SrStaff regarding how they want things done and occasionally a why. The MODS get very little inside information on such things regarding the administration of the site. As far as a STATED goal or mission statement, i have never seen an official one. I would assume it would be to provide a quality site that generates income but i am only guessing on that one.

mike


I thank you for an honest answer ----------- Rick
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:08:04 PM EST

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
No.

It may be harsh at times, but it does keep SOME of the BS in check.


Its a GUN website. If you want T&A its not that hard to find.



+1
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:08:06 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:09:45 PM EST

Originally Posted By DigDug:

Originally Posted By cyanide:
Apparently it was too easy a question --- no answers from the mods .



Please ask them yourself.



I am asking you ---- as you enforce what you think to be their goals --
so what do you think their goals are -- easy question.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:10:39 PM EST

Originally Posted By The_Emu:
OK Lets get serious now. It seems to me that if the moderators are interpreting the COC to mean that images that are clearly art are unaccecpable because they show nudity we have a big problem. I was posting pictures from the Louvre Meuseum. cant get much more "Art" than that. Air craft nose decorations are widely concidered art too. Who are we trying to protect here anyway?

Lets please have a seriour discusion here. dont post any pictures that will get this locked!

Ben, The_Emu






There are some that like to view the work of Robert Maplethorep as art, I sure don't want to see any of that junk on this board.

It's pretty clear, no nipples.
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Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:13:35 PM EST

Originally Posted By DigDug:

Originally Posted By cyanide:

Originally Posted By DigDug:

Originally Posted By cyanide:
Apparently it was too easy a question --- no answers from the mods .



Please ask them yourself.



I am asking you ---- as you enforce what you think to be their goals --
so what do you think their goals are -- easy question.



You can ask them yourself. Is that a problem?



The problem is that - you as a mod seem to be unable to state what you think are their goals.

If you can not state what the goals are -- what are you doing enforcing rules -- I mean if you can not know why a rule is in place -- are you just blindly following a set of written rules with no room for interpretation ???
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:15:02 PM EST
Yes, it is a gun website but it also has a GD which means just that, general discussion.
As for the goals of the site, I would really like to see them, honestly.
I'm interested in where the site is headed.
DF, you brought up the "goals" so you must know what they are, correct ?
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:15:04 PM EST
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Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:17:50 PM EST
I am not bashing or trolling here

It was / is a serious simple question

every big time place has a mission goal --
I have heard that said here ----------- " The goals of the site"

I just asked what the heck they were ???

No answer except for TBS, and that was a short answer.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:18:30 PM EST

Originally Posted By DigDug:

Originally Posted By cyanide:

Originally Posted By DigDug:

Originally Posted By cyanide:

Originally Posted By DigDug:

Originally Posted By cyanide:
Apparently it was too easy a question --- no answers from the mods .



Please ask them yourself.



I am asking you ---- as you enforce what you think to be their goals --
so what do you think their goals are -- easy question.



You can ask them yourself. Is that a problem?



The problem is that - you as a mod seem to be unable to state what you think are their goals.

If you can not state what the goals are -- what are you doing enforcing rules -- I mean if you can not know why a rule is in place -- are you just blindly following a set of written rules with no room for interpretation ???



Cyanide,

You will need to contact the Avilas to determine their goals for this site. Why do you have such a problem with that?



Alright --
do you know what their goals are ???
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:21:09 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/2/2004 12:22:33 PM EST by Palo_Duro]
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Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:22:30 PM EST

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:
Cy - do a reply search on EdAvilaSr and Goatboy for the last month. Pick the controversial looking titles.



I will / might be speaking with EdSr tonight or tomorrow.

But it will be a BS session, not a QandA.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:22:34 PM EST
To any mod here reading this, do YOU know and understand the goals for this site ?
If not, why ?
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:24:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/2/2004 12:24:50 PM EST by mrphelps]
Blah blah blah. Lots of talk.. nothing being said. Heres how it works.. dont post bad things :)

WWII nose art.. is not a bad thing. But you know what.. WHO CARES!@ Why spend your time arguing about a thread.. on a message board.. on the INTERNET! Go shoot a gun or somthing. Christ.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:25:30 PM EST
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[Last Edit: 10/2/2004 12:27:32 PM EST by cyanide]
mrphelps


I am here to converse --------- when I shoot I am not here. Go shooting.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:29:08 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/2/2004 12:29:49 PM EST by cyanide]
May I suggest then that all mods be aware of what the mission goal of the site is ----

it would make enforcement of the rules more "logical" ....

JMO
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Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:34:05 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:34:52 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:35:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By DigDug:

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:
To any mod here reading this, do YOU know and understand the goals for this site ?
If not, why ?



We know what the rules are, and it is our job to enforce them. If we have a problem with them, we can discuss our problems with Staff or the Avilas just like you can. If you think the CoC needs to be changed, IM or email Sr. Staff and/or the Avilas. Present your case in a compelling way and maybe the rules will change. Maybe not. The mods here do not make policy. We give input, but that is left for others to do. You can provide your own input but don't expect to get your way all the time.



I didn't ask about the rules.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:35:33 PM EST

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
actually i think all of you owe me a big thanks.

That thread gave you all something to post about for the last hour. without me you'd have been stuck with BOTD, gun topics, and UFO's


true



Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:37:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/2/2004 12:38:32 PM EST by cyanide]

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:

Originally Posted By DigDug:

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:
To any mod here reading this, do YOU know and understand the goals for this site ?
If not, why ?



We know what the rules are, and it is our job to enforce them. If we have a problem with them, we can discuss our problems with Staff or the Avilas just like you can. If you think the CoC needs to be changed, IM or email Sr. Staff and/or the Avilas. Present your case in a compelling way and maybe the rules will change. Maybe not. The mods here do not make policy. We give input, but that is left for others to do. You can provide your own input but don't expect to get your way all the time.



I didn't ask about the rules.



Give it up Spectre

I really believe they do not know what the goals are.

A sad thing ----------- when enforcing rules.



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