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Posted: 2/23/2007 3:24:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/23/2007 3:31:59 PM EST by Treadhead]
Just something I was wondering about today at work.

Why do they (The dem's) REALLY want to register, ban or (In some regions) flat-out confiscate certain types of firearms from law-abiding Americans?

I know the off-the-cuff response I usually blurt out (It's for political gain and an easy sell to the ignorant) but I was wondering what the rest of you thought?

Oh yeah, IBTP
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 3:25:16 PM EST
Because guns kill people to them. People are not responsible for their actions.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 3:25:30 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/23/2007 3:25:47 PM EST by BenDover]
Historically speaking, why does ANY government want to disarm its populace?



The government doesn't like competition.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 3:26:32 PM EST

Originally Posted By Midnight-Sniper:
Because guns kill people to them. People are not responsible for their actions.


No it more sinister than that

They want to eliminate the tools that will be used against them when they try to finallize their one world socialist utopia
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 3:26:47 PM EST
THey want to ban the possession of firearms. It will make it easier for them to subjecate us and tax us into a third world socialist utopia.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 3:27:34 PM EST
Because they want to live in a fantasy world of communism/socialism where the flowers are always blooming, everyone drivers eco friendly cars, and people wear hemp clothing. They have little sense of reality or patriotism and what this country represents. They'd sell 200+ years of great American freedom for the above.

I have no doubts they'd like to see all guns gun including the police, open smoking of pot, and everyone ate fuckin soy products instead of good ole meat.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 3:27:42 PM EST

Originally Posted By Da_Bunny:
THey want to ban the possession of firearms. It will make it easier for them to subjecate us and tax us into a third world socialist utopia.


+1
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 3:28:36 PM EST
Becuase it takes you from an independant to a dependant.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 3:30:20 PM EST
Oh that's easy. Power, power, power and POWER. If the citizens are armed their power is somewhat limited.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 3:30:36 PM EST
They don't trust you with weapons. At the same time, they expect you to trust their ideal government with weapons.

I can't trust a government that does not trust me.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 3:31:21 PM EST
it sells to dumb misinformed sheeple.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 3:34:31 PM EST

Originally Posted By Belmont31R:
Because they want to live in a fantasy world of communism/socialism where the flowers are always blooming, everyone drivers eco friendly cars, and people wear hemp clothing. They have little sense of reality or patriotism and what this country represents. They'd sell 200+ years of great American freedom for the above.

I have no doubts they'd like to see all guns gun including the police, open smoking of pot, and everyone ate fuckin soy products instead of good ole meat.


But you dont understand --the will do communisim RIGHT this time. The only reason its failed in the past is becusae THEY didnt do it. They are smarter than the rest of us and therfore rightfully should lead --thats why eventually elections will become a hinderance and therfore unesscessary to thier benevolent bureacratic autocroacy. They wont have to re-educate, imprison or KILL millions like thier forebearers did they will do communisim right.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 3:35:15 PM EST
They also believe that better world out side the US and the UN is the godly power of the planet. They want a world where everyone is equally poor, defenseless and dependant on the government to survive...except for an elitist few.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 3:36:23 PM EST
Because it's hard to totally enslave and subjugate an armed populace.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 3:37:19 PM EST

Originally Posted By Midnight-Sniper:
Because guns kill people to them. People are not responsible for their actions.



Sad but true, Dems don't think people need to be reponsible and should be guided to a better way of life... Not of course by those same peoples choosing, but a new life style none the same.


Bend over America
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 3:37:26 PM EST
The architects of anti gun legislation do it because they have some hatred of guns. Maybe psychological. Maybe because they are afraid of a revolt or an assasination. A few think it will stop crime. Some do it to play to the urban or suburban voters in their district or state who don't know better.

Most of the muscle behind them actually being passed happens because of party affiliation and pressure form said party, or because it is viewed as a popular move, and good for an election.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 3:38:23 PM EST
I'll go with "All of The Above" Alex.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 3:39:24 PM EST
All of those in a way. It's more important where the opinions come from and that's all they are...opinions. They're elitists who know what's good for you. As Clinton once said 'I can spend your money better than you can"...Hey, I here he made $40 million speaking this year.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 3:42:15 PM EST
They (and it's not just Donkeys or Elephants here, there are folks on both side of the isle that don't subscribe to this) really do think that gun control is about lowering the number of violent crimes.

IMO they just don't get it but if you ask people out on the street you'll find both republicans and democrats that firmly believe that less guns would equal less murders.

To them it's simple math - murders are done with guns - get rid of the guns and the murders would go down.

It saddens me.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 3:43:46 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/23/2007 3:48:16 PM EST by Treadhead]

Originally Posted By Soylent:
I'll go with "All of The Above" Alex.


Yeah, I could've used about TEN answers for this one and "All of the above" would've been in there.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 3:46:59 PM EST
It's for political gain and an easy sell to the ignorant.


That pretty much covers it..most people who vote progun are republicians and or rural.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 3:47:59 PM EST

Originally Posted By Soylent:
I'll go with "All of The Above" Alex.

+1
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 3:50:18 PM EST

Originally Posted By Codename46:

Originally Posted By Da_Bunny:
THey want to ban the possession of firearms. It will make it easier for them to subjecate us and tax us into a third world socialist utopia.


+1


+1000

A populace that is able to defend itself wouldnt stay Socialist for long.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 3:55:11 PM EST
Originally Posted By Midnight-Sniper:
Because guns kill people to them. People are not responsible for their actions.

C:
No it more sinister than that

They want to eliminate the tools that will be used against them when they try to finallize their one world socialist utopia

+1 NonConformist, the goals the libs have are pure evil

Link Posted: 2/23/2007 3:57:34 PM EST
Don't you know? It's for the children.



It is for the same reasons that all governments have banned arms... absolute power.

As long as large numbers of a population possess firearms, they cannot have complete dominance over everyone.

When citizens are defenseless against their government events such as the holocaust occur.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 3:58:15 PM EST

Originally Posted By navvet89:

Originally Posted By Codename46:

Originally Posted By Da_Bunny:
THey want to ban the possession of firearms. It will make it easier for them to subjecate us and tax us into a third world socialist utopia.


+1


+1000

A populace that is able to defend itself wouldnt stay Socialist for long.


Absolutely.

Remember, "progressive" politics demands confiscating an ever-larger share of peoples' incomes. There is no amount of taxation they will ever be happy with. An armed population will start to say "No" a long time before an unarmed population will dare try to refuse.

It's about control, plain and simple. Your average liberal gun-grabber on the street believes a lot of silly things, and the idea that less guns = less crime is very likely one of them. But the politicians and "movers and shakers" know very well that that simply isn't true, but they'll accept more crime as a short-term price to be paid for Utopia, and as an excuse for more and bigger government spending more of our money on "security". And those larger "security forces" come in pretty handy when people start to hoard goods, evade taxes, etc.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 3:59:51 PM EST
Easy win in the name of ignorance and I have yet met a Dem who didn't dispise self defense.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 4:02:37 PM EST
Liberals are sick people.

Why do they want to do anything?

Why do they want light sentences for criminals?

Why do they want open borders?

Why do they want socialized medicine?

Why do they want a big powerful government?

Why do they want to appease terrorists?

The list goes on and on...

They're fucked up. End of story.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 4:03:13 PM EST



THey want to ban the possession of firearms. It will make it easier for them to subjecate us and tax us into a third world socialist utopia.


They are doing that now. Americans owning semiautomatic firearms doesn't seem to make a damned difference to them. The cops, feds, .gov etc. are all way better armed and equipped than the american population.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 4:19:57 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/23/2007 4:23:10 PM EST by StonerStudent]

Originally Posted By red65:
Liberals are sick people.

Why do they want to do anything?

Why do they want light sentences for criminals?

Because they believe that poverty and white racism causes crime

Why do they want open borders?

Because they believe the USA should take care of the worlds poor

Why do they want socialized medicine?

Because medical care is expensive, and alot people can't aford it so the govermnet should provide it.

Why do they want a big powerful government?

Because people are by nature greedy scumbags that only care about themselves

Why do they want to appease terrorists?

Because it's easier and less costly then fighting them...just give them what they want


The list goes on and on...

They're fucked up. End of story.



Simply put..they learned everything they know about life and how the world works...from their socialogy 101 professor
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 4:29:58 PM EST
Lots of misguided reasons... To "stop the slaughter of our children", to keep the populace soft so they can enact whatever draconian scheme they would like to, and to suck up to their beloved United Nations.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 4:32:25 PM EST
I really find it hard to believe that people really think that supporters of an assault weapon ban are really afraid of armed revolt... or, according to poll results, that it's a primary motivation.


Look - there are a lot of democrats I don't like, and even some republicans in the same boat, but I have to give most of them a few points:

1) I think most of them are serving our country, i.e. at least trying to represent their constuients as they see fit

2) I highly doubt either political party is trying to permenantly take over the electoral landscape

3) I truly believe that most representatives and senators are influenced by the opinions of the rank and file people within their districts when they vote on major issues - if this weren't the case why would letter writing campaigns and demonstrations on local levels have visible impacts on voting?


Okay - I know a lot of that sounds like rose-covered glasses kind of naivite, but the fact is that politicians need to get reelected, and to do that, they need to be at least a little responsive to the folks that elect them. I think a lot of voters think more guns means more violence, crime and death. I doubt that there's a whole bunch of voters out there that think of guns in terms of armed revolution.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 4:42:47 PM EST
The elites do it for power, but for the rank and file lib, which we all know a few, they see it as an intelligence and class issue.

Lib think: Smart people don't need guns...and

Only low class people own guns. That is the vibe I get from liberals.

They truly think they are superior to gun owners
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 5:06:57 PM EST

Originally Posted By StonerStudent:

Originally Posted By red65:
Liberals are sick people.

Why do they want to do anything?

Why do they want light sentences for criminals?

Because they believe that poverty and white racism causes crime

Why do they want open borders?

Because they believe the USA should take care of the worlds poor

Why do they want socialized medicine?

Because medical care is expensive, and alot people can't aford it so the govermnet should provide it.

Why do they want a big powerful government?

Because people are by nature greedy scumbags that only care about themselves

Why do they want to appease terrorists?

Because it's easier and less costly then fighting them...just give them what they want


The list goes on and on...

They're fucked up. End of story.



Simply put..they learned everything they know about life and how the world works...from their socialogy 101 professor


I hate to say it but I "Think" you're right.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 5:30:27 PM EST
I'm truly surprised that "They're afraid of an armed revolt at some point." has only garnered 30%.
The modern LLLiberal is EXACTLY the kind of folks / government that the Second Amendment was meant as a protection against. Totalitarian Statists. Utopian Socialists bent on controlling everything and everyone. Domestic Enemy.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 6:05:11 PM EST

Originally Posted By ICZEOZN:
They don't trust you with weapons. At the same time, they expect you to trust their ideal government with weapons.

I can't trust a government that does not trust me.


+1

I really think they believe they can't trust you... or him.... or her or him or her or him or him.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 6:13:56 PM EST

Originally Posted By NonConformist:

Originally Posted By Midnight-Sniper:
Because guns kill people to them. People are not responsible for their actions.


No it more sinister than that

They want to eliminate the tools that will be used against them when they try to finallize their one world socialist utopia



And this is a surprise?
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 6:20:07 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/23/2007 6:21:30 PM EST by AlvinYorkII]

Originally Posted By USAFhack:
I really find it hard to believe that people really think that supporters of an assault weapon ban are really afraid of armed revolt... or, according to poll results, that it's a primary motivation.


Look - there are a lot of democrats I don't like, and even some republicans in the same boat, but I have to give most of them a few points:

1) I think most of them are serving our country, i.e. at least trying to represent their constuients as they see fit

2) I highly doubt either political party is trying to permenantly take over the electoral landscape

3) I truly believe that most representatives and senators are influenced by the opinions of the rank and file people within their districts when they vote on major issues - if this weren't the case why would letter writing campaigns and demonstrations on local levels have visible impacts on voting?


Okay - I know a lot of that sounds like rose-covered glasses kind of naivite, but the fact is that politicians need to get reelected, and to do that, they need to be at least a little responsive to the folks that elect them. I think a lot of voters think more guns means more violence, crime and death. I doubt that there's a whole bunch of voters out there that think of guns in terms of armed revolution.



I'm sorry to say it, but, I think that you've probably cashed too many government checks.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 6:22:35 PM EST
AlvinYork - and you really think that our senators and representatives fear armed revolt?
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 6:26:12 PM EST
They want to stop the sale sof new/more guns... The wealthy/protected/stuck up are like this.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 6:28:33 PM EST
I agree with the though of it being from a power stand point. If their citizens have no power then they can do as they please without having anyone oppose them if those circumstances arise.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 7:01:28 PM EST
It depends which Democrats you're asking about.

The politicians just want to disarm us to preserve their own power. The voters are useful idiots who believe they will be safer after guns are banned. Some of them want an all-out ban, some are only in favor of small infringements but will accept them all in baby steps.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 7:25:49 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/23/2007 7:31:41 PM EST by AlvinYorkII]

Originally Posted By USAFhack:
AlvinYork - and you really think that our senators and representatives fear armed revolt?



Yep, every time I see or hear a politician talk about not wanting to infringe on the rights of hunters. Being politicians I would hope that they had a modicum of knowledge of the inner workings and intent of the constitution. The second amendment was not about hunting, yet at every turn our illustrious politicians try to imply that it is. I remember a posting a month ago about a UN sponsored proposal that no one has the right to self defence, thereby allowing for the belief that there is then no reason for private ownership of small arms. It seems that this is the trend in congress, if the truth be known about what our politicians really felt about firearm ownership and civil liberties I doubt they'd hired as sanitary engineers.



But then again maybe there are too many sheeple out there.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 7:29:03 PM EST
Because people can't be trusted with guns. Atleast most people. A senator's or celebrity's bodyguard NEEDS a gun. Or even the celebrity or senator themself. They can be trusted with the responsibility of owning or carrying a weapon. We, the unwashed masses, are children and can't be trusted with the responsibility. We'll just hurt ourselves or somebody else.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 7:34:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By ScoutOut:
Because people can't be trusted with guns. Atleast most people. A senator's or celebrity's bodyguard NEEDS a gun. Or even the celebrity or senator themself. They can be trusted with the responsibility of owning or carrying a weapon. We, the unwashed masses, are children and can't be trusted with the responsibility. We'll just hurt ourselves or somebody else.



And as the Clintons stated the last time they ran for the White House and won, the American public needs to be educated as to what they need. Sheeple of the country unite!!!!!!
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 7:43:07 PM EST
I think all of the above. I have talked to some liberals who seem to truly believe they are doing the right thing, as according to them "guns are only designed to kill people, so why do we need this". The feeble minded fools just dont get it, they just keep on dreaming of their little PC utopia.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 7:44:16 PM EST

Originally Posted By learath:
Oh that's easy. Power, power, power and POWER. If the citizens are armed their power is somewhat limited.


+ a really fuckin big number
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 7:51:10 PM EST

Originally Posted By AlvinYorkII:

Originally Posted By NonConformist:

Originally Posted By Midnight-Sniper:
Because guns kill people to them. People are not responsible for their actions.


No it more sinister than that

They want to eliminate the tools that will be used against them when they try to finallize their one world socialist utopia



And this is a surprise?



Not to me. To some its just about them being stupid and believing their own crap, but after unequivically showing gun control does not work, and only increases crime, I came to the conclusion that there is NO way they are that stupid.

They are stupid, but not THAT stupid, so there must be an agenda, hence my answer
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 8:02:26 PM EST
maybe the ones pulling the strings but I really believe the everyday joe sixpack buys into all the bullshit. A significant portion of the population is shockingly ignorant
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 8:36:18 PM EST
Its all about the ignint
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 8:39:37 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/23/2007 8:47:09 PM EST by AROptics]
They want us weak, submissive and dependent.
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