Quoted: The elites do it for power, but for the rank and file lib, which we all know a few, they see it as an intelligence and class issue. Lib think: Smart people don't need guns...and Only low class people own guns.  That is the vibe I get from liberals. They truly think they are superior to gun owners

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Rank and file are either scared of guns and think that anyone who isn't is dangerous. Or they think they are better and should be the exception (take everyone elses guns).

For the politicians, it's about Power 100%. Don't make the mistake of thinking that they are stupid or that they really believe the feelgood Liberal nonsense that they spout. These guys are smart, and they know exactly what they want and how to get it. They are elitists, they really believe that they are an elite few and everyone else is just mindless ciphers who are stupid, don't matter, and need to be told what to do by the elite. They want ever-increasing amounts of power and authority for themselves. The feelgood liberal hippy BS is just what they use to get the ignorant masses to give them more power. Gun control is just another way of increasing their power over you. Preventing armed revolution at some point is probably in the back of their heads too.

Rather then the Dem's demands for gun control being political expidiency, I believe that the resistance of many prominent Republicans to gun control is political expediency. They are power-hungy elitists just the same, they have just detemined that taking certain positions will keep them in office to pass other laws that will gradually reduce our freedoms and increase their power.

There are some idealists in there who really believe the party line, moreso on the Republican side I think, but they rarely last long enough and rise high enough to really matter.

Quoted: Just something I was wondering about today at work. Why do they (The dem's) REALLY want to register, ban or (In some regions) flat-out confiscate certain types of firearms from law-abiding Americans?

Gee I didn't know gun control was a strictly Democratic issue.

Oh wait, it's NOT!

Everyone is so fucking blind to the fact that NEITHER party is a friend to us.  Just keep bitching about one side (whether it's relevant or not) and let the other march on with it's own bullshit agenda.

An armed man willing to defend himself is the anti-thesis of the infinitely malleable, Pavlovian Man the socialist movement needs in order to move forward. The future of mankind, unless God intervenes, is probably to  become something like the Borgs in Star Trek.

G D RINO's.

Bush will have to sign 1022 for it to be a danger AT ALL.

The obvious worry around here is a sign of the whale shit low level of faith in W.

It isn't just the Dems. You should have included the RINO's. They fear opposition to their goals of ultimate control of everyones lives. The 2A was born from revolution and that is what it allows for should it be necessary to control tyranny.

They want to disarm the citizens so that sometime in the future when the Social Security system falls apart, and they have to say, "Sorry, we can't give you any money after all the money you paid into the system for a lifetime."  Then some old codger with absolutely nothing else to lose pulls out his pistol and cleans out the SS office.

Or Hillary finally gets socialized medicine, excuse me, "universal health care" rammed through.  Your child is deathly ill, and they say, sorry, take two asprin and call us back in 3 years.  If your kid is still alive then, we might be able to put her on a list.

Or a gazillion other reasons.

The socialist are afraid of the citizens.

They should be.

Quoted: They want to disarm the citizens so that sometime in the future when the Social Security system falls apart, and they have to say, "Sorry, we can't give you any money after all the money you paid into the system for a lifetime."  Then some old codger with absolutely nothing else to lose pulls out his pistol and cleans out the SS office. Or Hillary finally gets socialized medicine, excuse me, "universal health care" rammed through.  Your child is deathly ill, and they say, sorry, take two asprin and call us back in 3 years.  If your kid is still alive then, we might be able to put her on a list. Or a gazillion other reasons. The socialist are afraid of the citizens. They should be.

Fuckin A.

This is just my .02 here, so YMMV, but here's my view of the question.
The issue of the armed revolt by citizens is at the root of the whole thing IMO. There's no way all those politicians actually think disarming the population will reduce overall crime, because they see the same reports we see, and the opposite has been proven by the numbers. They want the ignorant sheeple to believe the less guns=less crime bullshit so that they(the gubment) can make the people feel bad about having evil weapons, leading the way for the .gov to totally disarm the people without fear of armed revolt, thereby leading to absolute power, etc. The reason the government and the elite citizens have fought long and hard to make America into a nation of sheeple who do what they're told and gladly give up individual freedom "for the children" is so that they can dictate to the sheeple what the country is going to be, what the government has the power to do, etc. without having to answer for their actions on historical and constitutional grounds, therby preventing any armed opposition when they disarm everyone, take absolute power, etc.  So, in my thinking, fear of armed opposition by the citizens against a tyrannical government is the root of all the anti-gun nonsense in this country, regardless of whether it appears that way on the surface.


Or, maybe I've just got my tinfoil hat on too tight    As I said, YMMV.

Quoted: Quoted: Just something I was wondering about today at work. Why do they (The dem's) REALLY want to register, ban or (In some regions) flat-out confiscate certain types of firearms from law-abiding Americans? Gee I didn't know gun control was a strictly Democratic issue. Oh wait, it's NOT! Everyone is so fucking blind to the fact that NEITHER party is a friend to us.  Just keep bitching about one side (whether it's relevant or not) and let the other march on with it's own bullshit agenda.

Well, the Rinos and the Repbulicans are probably guilty re: gun control in acts of ommision, ie, not standing up for our rights, but I would challenge anyone to come up with as many Republican congressmen, or women, who so routinely come up with as much anti gun shit as:
Schumer
Feinsteim,
McCarthy,
Lautenberg,
Kennedy,
Boxer,
et al.
Interesting that you don't see "Rep xxxx, {R} from xxxx", holding press confrences or photo ops with AKs in tow or firing a Tec down range in order to push new restrictions on us. Again, maybe we don't have the Reagan republicans we used to, but show me the last piece of socialist anti-gun legislation PUSHED through by republicans, rino or otherwise, in the last 10 years, such as is being proposed by that POS from NJ. That waste of space got her job same as Cindy Sheehan, she was a "victim", and you know you can't question their credentials for holding public office or their judgement without being labeled a reprobate, anti progressive  neanderthal who doesn't understand the "new America and all it's complexities".

Political gain.  It's goals are wholesome (crime reduction) and it has immediate, tangible results in the form of gun stores closing and gun buy backs, etc.  Ignorant people really want something that will work yesterday to solve their problems.  That's what gun control is all about.

I'll defer to those wiser than myself.

Arms are the only true badge of liberty. The possession of arms is the distinction of a free man from a slave. - Andrew Fletcher

Because the ultimate goal of socialism is slavery and massa don't allow armed slaves.