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Posted: 8/9/2017 4:08:48 PM EST
Still sucks. However, the articles by Kyle Lamb are very good, IMHO

I like AIWB as well
Link Posted: 8/9/2017 4:13:15 PM EST
His son's photography is very good too.

Lot of good stuff in Guns&Ammo.......I think Eric Poole has done a great job with the title
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I have a subscription...
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Originally Posted By Lug1:
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and

I read it for years but finally enough was enough. My buddy has started giving me his old issues so no harm in reading some

I did subscribe to Gun Tests for years but I've stopped buying guns

I also liked Mas Ayoob's articles in Combat Handguns
Link Posted: 8/9/2017 4:20:32 PM EST
Are they still lecturing us about how we need to accept some sensible gun controls?
Link Posted: 8/9/2017 4:20:59 PM EST
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Originally Posted By sjuhockey10:


Just like everything they review.
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That's one reason I dumped them for Gun Tests
Link Posted: 8/9/2017 4:22:12 PM EST
Pretty pictures, fake reviews, and authors desperate for anything to write about.
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Originally Posted By Triggerfisher_of_Men:
Are they still lecturing us about how we need to accept some sensible gun controls?
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LoL

I Forgot about that
Link Posted: 8/9/2017 4:23:46 PM EST
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Originally Posted By EvanWilliams:
and

I read it for years but finally enough was enough. My buddy has started giving me his old issues so no harm in reading some

I did subscribe to Gun Tests for years but I've stopped buying guns

I also liked Mas Ayoob's articles in Combat Handguns
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Originally Posted By EvanWilliams:
Originally Posted By Lug1:
I have a subscription...
and

I read it for years but finally enough was enough. My buddy has started giving me his old issues so no harm in reading some

I did subscribe to Gun Tests for years but I've stopped buying guns

I also liked Mas Ayoob's articles in Combat Handguns
I will admit, even though I enjoy the pictures and a couple other aspects, Guns and Ammo is a PAID COMMERCIAL.  That is about it.
Link Posted: 8/9/2017 4:35:10 PM EST
American Handgunner is waaay better.
Link Posted: 8/9/2017 4:39:53 PM EST
RECOIL
Link Posted: 8/9/2017 4:45:29 PM EST
I preferred Shooting Times in the 80's. I remember getting all excited on the way to Paperback to pick up some deer hunting and gun rags.
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didn't someone shoot someone?
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Originally Posted By Bounce19712:
didn't someone shoot someone?
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You are probably right
Link Posted: 8/9/2017 4:57:03 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Triggerfisher_of_Men:
Are they still lecturing us about how we need to accept some sensible gun controls?
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No, quite the opposite.
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Originally Posted By BikerNut:
No, quite the opposite.
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Originally Posted By Triggerfisher_of_Men:
Are they still lecturing us about how we need to accept some sensible gun controls?
No, quite the opposite.
Well, they pounded it so hard at me that it is all I can remember about them... except maybe Bob Milek used to write for them in the old days. Anyway, it was a big FU to their core base at the time and I do not see the need to pay them to do 9mm versus 45 caliber and AR-15 versus AK-47 comparisons.
Link Posted: 8/9/2017 5:16:11 PM EST
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I Don't remember how that turned out

ETA Richard Venola
Link Posted: 8/9/2017 6:06:49 PM EST
Guns & Ammo used to be good. I have some of my dad's old issues going back to the 1970s and it was a very different magazine. The RKBA section was forceful; some of the stuff written there quite possibly would violate the COC if posted here or on many gun forums. Great stuff. Blackpowder section with Phil Spangenberger was cool. They had some cool historical articles and articles involving the writers going out to conflict zones to take pictures and write about the guns there, and were just very detailed. Reviews were also much better and rarely seemed like long advertisements. The great old gunwriters were also there, too.

Today's magazine just sucks in comparison. The last issue I bought was the last one with Cooper's Corner (published post-mortem). By the time I could afford subscriptions (before that purchase)n it had ceased being worth subscribing to for years.
Link Posted: 8/9/2017 11:58:04 PM EST
I buy it once in a while if there is something in it that sparks my interest.

Sweeney has this amazing ability to fill page after page with words, yet no actual substance. I'd hate to actually try to carry on a conversation with the man in real life, for fear I would be dead before he shut up.
Link Posted: 8/10/2017 12:12:24 AM EST
Is it still like $8 to buy a copy off the newsstand?

I never subscribed, but I'd buy maybe half dozen copies a year of various gun porn back in the day. Gary James, Phil Spann...(whatever) Col Cooper., all fascinating stuff to a teenager with empty pockets.

Who was the older guy who did the long range handgun shooting with the TC contender and bolt action single shot pistols? I liked his stuff too. I noticed his son picked it up when he died, but I didn't enjoy it as much.

Patrick Sweeny has a gunsmithing book that isn't bad if you're starting at zero, but this was also before youtube.
Link Posted: 8/10/2017 12:21:39 AM EST
I quit G&A when Col Cooper died. I should have quit after Elmer Keith.

The only gun rags worth the paper they're printed on today are GUNS and AMERICAN HANDGUNNER.
Link Posted: 8/10/2017 9:36:51 AM EST
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Originally Posted By OTSmithers:
Pretty pictures, fake reviews, and authors desperate for anything to write about.
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Are they still doing product reviews with the product in question featured in a full page ad right across from the review?
Link Posted: 8/10/2017 9:40:12 AM EST
I haven't read a G&A mag in a looooooong time.
Link Posted: 8/10/2017 9:46:46 AM EST
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Originally Posted By ONETIMER:
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Oh God, no.
Link Posted: 8/10/2017 9:58:05 AM EST
Have the settled the 9MM vs .45 controversy yet?
I gave up on them a long time ago, never saw a bad review of anything.
Much prefered Gun Tests magazine, they were honest in their reviews,
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Originally Posted By mike_nds:
Before the internet I used to read a lot of magazines.

But the information became so topical I got bored and stopped.



The writers I liked were:

Bob Milek
Chuck Taylor
Ross Seyfried
Gary Paul Johnston
Peter G. Kokalis
John Plaster
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bob Milek was the best.
I read and enjoyed all his stuff.
Link Posted: 8/10/2017 12:00:08 PM EST
Kyle Lamb has a regular article and is with reading
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Originally Posted By EvanWilliams:


That's one reason I dumped them for Gun Tests
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I dumped GT because I didn't think their analysis and comparisons were superficial. It's not like Consumer Reports with a testing lab but rather Bubba & his bros doing backyard tests with somebody on the keyboard writing it up.
Link Posted: 8/10/2017 12:05:06 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Gunwritr:
His son's photography is very good too.

Lot of good stuff in Guns&Ammo.......I think Eric Poole has done a great job with the title
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Was that an ammo specific issue of RECOIL you posted about? I couldn't find it in stores. Also, is there any way to get RECOIL cheaper? $10 off for signing up for a year is still pretty steep.
Link Posted: 8/10/2017 1:00:10 PM EST
My grandfather bought me a G&A subscription every year for Christmas from about 1985 to 2005 .

It was great however in retrospect there was a fair amount of derp that people would have savaged them.over now in the days of the internet.

On that front the really were no worse (or better ) than Shooting Times , Gun World , and others of that era . 
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Originally Posted By 4v50:
I dumped GT because I didn't think their analysis and comparisons were superficial. It's not like Consumer Reports with a testing lab but rather Bubba & his bros doing backyard tests with somebody on the keyboard writing it up.
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Same here. I had subscribed for a couple years but the more I read, it seemed like it should have been titled "Sock Drawer Shooter". Ultimately I found little value in their evaluations.
Link Posted: 8/10/2017 2:31:30 PM EST
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Originally Posted By HappyCamel:
Was that an ammo specific issue of RECOIL you posted about? I couldn't find it in stores. Also, is there any way to get RECOIL cheaper? $10 off for signing up for a year is still pretty steep.
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No,

IMPACT: The Journal of Tactical Ammunition is an annual put out by Firearms News



https://www.osgnewsstand.com/product/impact-2017
Link Posted: 8/10/2017 2:35:17 PM EST
Originally Posted By EvanWilliams:
Still sucks. However, the articles by Kyle Lamb are very good, IMHO

I like AIWB as well
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He loses a lot of credibility when he reviews his own products, in my opinion.
Link Posted: 8/10/2017 2:44:23 PM EST
The only gun magazine I buy is the annual-ish Surplus Weapons that someone publishes.
Link Posted: 8/10/2017 2:46:06 PM EST
G&A is like Playboy magazine; you only buy it for the pictures.
Link Posted: 8/10/2017 2:54:42 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Gunwritr:
No,

IMPACT: The Journal of Tactical Ammunition is an annual put out by Firearms News

https://www.osgnewsstand.com/img/products/SGNX-170030-CD1.jpg

https://www.osgnewsstand.com/product/impact-2017
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Originally Posted By Gunwritr:
Originally Posted By HappyCamel:
Was that an ammo specific issue of RECOIL you posted about? I couldn't find it in stores. Also, is there any way to get RECOIL cheaper? $10 off for signing up for a year is still pretty steep.
No,

IMPACT: The Journal of Tactical Ammunition is an annual put out by Firearms News

https://www.osgnewsstand.com/img/products/SGNX-170030-CD1.jpg

https://www.osgnewsstand.com/product/impact-2017
Thank you! And I was reading the subscription card wrong, I was seeing the $70+ savings as the price 
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He loses a lot of credibility when he reviews his own products, in my opinion.
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I couldn't tell who was reviewing the Viking TAC SIG P320. If it was him, and sounds like it was, then you are right
That ain't kosher
Link Posted: 8/11/2017 5:54:12 AM EST
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Sucks indeed. Its all ads, almost no actual info. Garry James used to write some interesting stuff(and no disrespect, Im sure there are other good authors there around), but other than that little actual reading material.
Ironically, Spanish gun magazines are awesome. Nice long articles with some meat to dig into and learn a thing or two.
Link Posted: 8/11/2017 6:12:12 AM EST
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Originally Posted By ferfal308:
Sucks indeed. Its all ads, almost no actual info. Garry James used to write some interesting stuff(and no disrespect, Im sure there are other good authors there around), but other than that little actual reading material.
Ironically, Spanish gun magazines are awesome. Nice long articles with some meat to dig into and learn a thing or two.
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What magazines? 
Link Posted: 8/11/2017 6:47:20 AM EST
I first started reading G&A in the early to mid -70's. Today's magazine is a shadow of what it once was.



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Originally Posted By ken_mays:
Same here. I had subscribed for a couple years but the more I read, it seemed like it should have been titled "Sock Drawer Shooter". Ultimately I found little value in their evaluations.
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Originally Posted By 4v50:
I dumped GT because I didn't think their analysis and comparisons were superficial. It's not like Consumer Reports with a testing lab but rather Bubba & his bros doing backyard tests with somebody on the keyboard writing it up.
Same here. I had subscribed for a couple years but the more I read, it seemed like it should have been titled "Sock Drawer Shooter". Ultimately I found little value in their evaluations.
We all must have done that.
Link Posted: 8/11/2017 8:10:18 AM EST
Guns & Ammo seems to pontificate Jeff Cooper as if he were some sort of prophet.
Link Posted: 8/11/2017 8:49:24 AM EST
American Handgunner was the last mag standing for me and I gave that up in the early 2000's. Ichiro Nagata and Nyle Leatham's photography was great. It was the only mainstream mag during the 80's-90's that did much of anything on USPSA shooting and gear.

For as much hate as Recoil gets I'm glad they are doing it. Most of the stuff isn't for me but I think its good that we have come far enough that a gun rag isnt just fat old white guys with big bore six guns and stories of how badass Bill Jordan was.
Link Posted: 8/11/2017 9:32:03 AM EST
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Originally Posted By joemama74:
Is it still like $8 to buy a copy off the newsstand?

I never subscribed, but I'd buy maybe half dozen copies a year of various gun porn back in the day. Gary James, Phil Spann...(whatever) Col Cooper., all fascinating stuff to a teenager with empty pockets.

Who was the older guy who did the long range handgun shooting with the TC contender and bolt action single shot pistols? I liked his stuff too. I noticed his son picked it up when he died, but I didn't enjoy it as much.

Patrick Sweeny has a gunsmithing book that isn't bad if you're starting at zero, but this was also before youtube.
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Bob Milek

Don't forget Ross Seyfried!

Loved it back in the 80's.
Link Posted: 8/11/2017 11:16:54 AM EST
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Originally Posted By MikeE23666:
Guns & Ammo seems to pontificate Jeff Cooper as if he were some sort of prophet.
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I always read his article. I found him erudite and amusing. But I didn't like him. Not someone I would want to spend time with based on his writings. Don't care what fanboys think
Link Posted: 8/11/2017 11:26:29 AM EST
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Originally Posted By EvanWilliams:
I always read his article. I found him erudite and amusing. But I didn't like him. Not someone I would want to spend time with based on his writings. Don't care what fanboys think
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Originally Posted By EvanWilliams:
Originally Posted By MikeE23666:
Guns & Ammo seems to pontificate Jeff Cooper as if he were some sort of prophet.
I always read his article. I found him erudite and amusing. But I didn't like him. Not someone I would want to spend time with based on his writings. Don't care what fanboys think
They quote him as if all of his concepts have some sort of timeless applicability today as his concepts barely had applicability back then.
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Originally Posted By bigstick61:

What magazines? 
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Armas, Magnum, Soldados
Link Posted: 8/11/2017 3:03:58 PM EST
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Originally Posted By MikeE23666:



They quote him as if all of his concepts have some sort of timeless applicability today as his concepts barely had applicability back then.
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Muh.. scout rifle

Full disclosure---I got nothing against the scout rifle
I own a SOCOM 16
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